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Welcome! PLEASE READ! posted 15 Jan 2004, 22:01 in WelcomesWelcome! PLEASE READ! by Wil, Head Moderator

Welcome to [i:z82cr2ym]The Prince of Nothing[/i:z82cr2ym] Forums. Please take the time to introduce yourself to the rest of the others here. Simply press "New Topic" in this forum, put your Username in the Subject, and tell us a little about yourself (Basically, please just start a new thread). You will be able to edit this "mini-bio" at any time. Thanks! view post


Review from sff.net posted 15 Jan 2004, 22:01 in Interviews and ReviewsReview from sff.net by Wil, Head Moderator

Victoria Strauss wrote this review on [i:2mkqt86y]The Darkness That Comes Before[/i:2mkqt86y]: [url:2mkqt86y]http://www.sff.net/people/victoriastrauss/ReviewDarknessthatcomes.html[/url:2mkqt86y] view post


Review from sffworld.com posted 15 Jan 2004, 22:01 in Interviews and ReviewsReview from sffworld.com by Wil, Head Moderator

Rob H. Bedford writes this: [url:10nkybpv]http://www.sffworld.com/authors/b/bakker_scott/sffreviews/darknesscomesbefore.html[/url:10nkybpv] view post


Site Opening posted 18 Jan 2004, 06:01 in General AnnouncementsSite Opening by Wil, Head Moderator

The site is now open! Yay! view post


Essay by Bakker on sffworld.com posted 19 Jan 2004, 22:01 in Interviews and ReviewsEssay by Bakker on sffworld.com by Wil, Head Moderator

This is an essay by Bakker called "Why Fantasy and Why Now?" http://www.sffworld.com/authors/b/bakke ... hynow.html view post


Welcome! Please Read. posted 20 Jan 2004, 21:01 in Author Q & AWelcome! Please Read. by Wil, Head Moderator

Welcome to the Q & A forum! Soon after this site was started, I received an e-mail from R. Scott Bakker saying that he was willing to come in and answer some questions that we all may have. Now, I don't know of many authors that are willing to do this, and I know that [b:48am07gp][i:48am07gp]I[/i:48am07gp][/b:48am07gp] am very greatful. So ask your questions here. view post


Warrior Prophet Information posted 20 Jan 2004, 21:01 in The Warrior ProphetWarrior Prophet Information by Wil, Head Moderator

This is where I will list all the [b:2g2yf4il]FACTS [/b:2g2yf4il]that I have on the [i:2g2yf4il]Warrior Prophet[/i:2g2yf4il]. view post


How did you get here? posted 20 Jan 2004, 21:01 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get here? by Wil, Head Moderator

I voted "other" because, well, I created this site :D view post


posted 21 Jan 2004, 18:01 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get here? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Same here. view post


Construction posted 24 Jan 2004, 01:01 in General AnnouncementsConstruction by Wil, Head Moderator

The site is currently under construction; we are re-designing the color scheme and icons etc... So any odd color things are just us! Continue posting as normal. Also, we are re-doing all the icons, so that is why they look so tacky! view post


Language posted 25 Jan 2004, 23:01 in Author Q & ALanguage by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

On the cover of TDTCB and TWP there is what appears to be vertical sort of language. It also appears in the appendices of TDTCB. I was wondering if this was created by R. Scott Bakker and is a functional language. I figure it is, because on the jacket it says that the author is a student of languages. Anyway, just wondering if it was a working language. view post


posted 26 Jan 2004, 17:01 in Author Q & ALanguage by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

It's a working script (called 'keneic,' the standard script for Sheyic, which is the lingua franca of the Three Seas). David Rankine, the cover artist for the Canadian edition, actually used the script to transcribe one of the epigraphs in the book (in Sheyic), and then added some of his favourite lyrics (from a King Crimson tune, if I recall correctly). He's yet to tell me what he translated for the WP cover, though... I do love those covers, especially for WP. I just found out that they'll be used for the US hardcover editions as well. view post


posted 26 Jan 2004, 20:01 in Author Q & ALanguage by Wil, Head Moderator

Does it have it's own grammar then, different tenses? Would it be more comparable to a latin based language, or something more like English? or is it all it's own? Also, does it have it's English letter representation? Like does "Cu'jara Cinmoi" mean somting in Keneic? view post


posted 27 Jan 2004, 10:01 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get here? by Elfstone4Evenstar, Commoner

I followed Wil's Link!! :D view post


posted 27 Jan 2004, 12:01 in Author Q & ALanguage by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Just realized I never fully answered your question, Sovin! No, the languages in the book are hypothetical, without much more than a short lexicon of terms and a distinctive sound pattern. I've studied several languages, which I draw on to try to make the languages of the Three Seas as consistent as possible, but I'm certainly no JRRT! The languages are all what they call 'inflected,' however, which is to say they're more like latin than english... view post


posted 27 Jan 2004, 17:01 in Author Q & ALanguage by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Does each character correspond to an english letter? Or is its own alphabet, or like japanese, with a character holding meaning? If it's a literal translation, I think people might enjoy a dictionary for it. view post


posted 27 Jan 2004, 17:01 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get here? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Welcome Elfstone! Which link of Wil's was it? Where did you first hear about TPoN? Also, don't forget to stop by the "Welcome" Forum and introduce yourself. view post


posted 27 Jan 2004, 19:01 in Author Q & ALanguage by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

It's an alphabet, though like most foreign alphabets it doesn't correspond perfectly with the english one. Once I finish all three books of PoN I hope to beat some coherent background material out of the knobby mountain of notes I've been accumulating all these years, including the various alphabets and syllabaries. I'm committed to finishing the books first though, since I know first hand how frustrating it can be waiting and waiting for sequels. I've been dying a slow death waiting for A Feast of Crows! view post


posted 27 Jan 2004, 19:01 in Author Q & ALanguage by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Damn, I forgot again... 'Cu'jara Cinmoi' is the name of the ancient Nonman King who waged the first wars against the Inchoroi before the coming of Men to Earwa. I know he's mentioned a couple of times in The Warrior-Prophet, but for the life of me I can't remember if he's mentioned in The Darkness... Hmm. view post


Men v. Nonmen posted 27 Jan 2004, 22:01 in Author Q & AMen v. Nonmen by Wil, Head Moderator

Alright, this has been eating at my mind for a while. In the "Languages" thread, you said that Cu'jara Cinmoi was a Nonman king. I am still confused as to the difference between Men and Nonmen. Could you shed some light on this issue? view post


posted 28 Jan 2004, 23:01 in Author Q & AMen v. Nonmen by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

I could... I hate to be coy, but I there's some information I want to reveal gradually through the course of the story. Certain crucial facts regarding the Nonmen come to light toward the end of The Warrior-Prophet. I hope this doesn't sound too cheesey, but I actually look at the story as a kind of striptease that gradually reveals the world - kind of like Gene Wolfe, though not so cryptic (or brilliant). I can recap and clarify the info that's been given so far: the Nonmen are an ancient race, the 'original people' of Earwa, who are nearly immortal, and who fought both for and against the No-God during the Apocalypse. They are slowly going insane: their minds can only hold roughly four or five human lifetimes of experiences, and as the centuries pass the traumatic experiences they suffer crowd out their other memories, until now, almost all Nonmen remember only the pain and loss in their lives. And some, like the Nonman (Mekertrig) that Kellhus meets in the Prologue, have taken to creating traumatic experiences just so they can have something to remember... view post


posted 29 Jan 2004, 05:01 in Author Q & AMen v. Nonmen by Wil, Head Moderator

Thanks for the re-cap, it helped a lot! I understand perfectly that you don't want to reveal anything too soon. It is the one flaw with this process. Please feel free at anytime to give us a nice RAFO (Read and find out). After all, we're just glad that you stop by. view post


Release Dates posted 01 Feb 2004, 23:02 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeRelease Dates by Wil, Head Moderator

[i:pssf4wtq]The Darkness that Comes Beofre[/i:pssf4wtq] will be released: In the US: June 1 In the UK: March 1 view post


Release Dates posted 01 Feb 2004, 23:02 in The Warrior ProphetRelease Dates by Wil, Head Moderator

[i:2y7ahiug]The Warrior Prophet[/i:2y7ahiug] will be released: In Canada: April 21 In the UK: November 1 In the US: June 1, 2005 view post


Question to R.S. regarding release dates. posted 01 Feb 2004, 23:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

Greetings one and all! First, I must say I'm happy to see that this series has it's own forum at last, nice to be here at the beginning since I expect this series to become truly major once the UK and US releases have commenced, possibly even Erikson/Martin/Hobb scale. And tres cool that the author is posting here! Anyway, I have two or three pressing questions regarding the release dates. First and foremost, The Warrior Prophet. The April 27th release date that your website mentions, is that still correct? It seems not to be, because both Penguin.ca and amazon.ca now have a Mid-June release date. Some clarification here would be great. Also, I'm very curious about the size of WP. Same size as TDTCB? secondly, what is the title of the third book and when in 2005 will it be released? Have you seen the cover art for that one yet ( more specifically, what colour is it?) Thirdly, will the trade paperback of [b:2hy0pxid]"The Darkness that comes before"[/b:2hy0pxid] go out of print once the small mass market paperback is released in April this year? I'd really appreciate answers to these questions :) view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 00:02 in Author Q & ALanguage by Mithfânion, Didact

Ah, good taste is always a good sign in an author. Here's another lost soul who's been slowly wasting away waiting for Feast for Crows. As for Tolkien, what he did with languages is just Über-intelligent, I'm so big a fan of his that I've even read The History of Middle-earth series. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 03:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Wil, Head Moderator

Welcome Mith! Glad that you could come to our site! We are ever eager for new members. I know I am not the author, (Rest assured, he does stop by here almost everday) but if you don't mind, I will answer the questions that I know. I recently asked Scott as to the release of the Warrior Prophet. He was suprised when he learned that the date had changed on the Penguin website, and he assured me that he would get to the bottom of this hopefully by tomorrow. As to the title of the third book, I beleive that [i:2ylt2jk9]The Thousandfold Thought,[/i:2ylt2jk9] is at the top of the title list. Again, welcome to the site and I would encourage you to go and introduce yourself in the "Welcome" forum! view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 03:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

I've been a GRRM fan since reading "Sand-Kings" in grade 7. But he's had a special place on my shelf ever since reading aGoT made me realize that complex, demented, and thoroughly unsanitized epic fantasy was possible to publish. Until then, I never even thought of submitting TDTCB. And I hear you on Tolkien. He may not be the first to have introduced Fantasy to the world, but he's the first, and perhaps the only, to truly have introduced it to Epic. It all comes to the languages. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 03:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Hi Mithfanion. Thanks for the kind words! As far as the release dates go, all I can say is 'you know you're a small fry when...' As far as I know TWP will heft in a little bigger than TDTCB - big enough to be useful in a potentially life-threatening situation. For the title for Bk III, I've been debating between When Sorcerers Sing and, as Wil mentions, The Thousandfold Thought. If I'm tending to TTT rather than WSS it's because of When Dragons Rage. I'm not sure about the tpbk of TDTCB - I certainly hope they keep it in print. Otherwise, Overlook is using the same cover design for the US release. The colours we've discussed for Bk III are in the orbit of red, but we have no mock ups of it as yet. I think I'd have to be pretty lucky to have it look as cool as TWP. If any of this changes, I'm sure you'll know before me! view post


Touring posted 02 Feb 2004, 05:02 in Author Q & ATouring by Wil, Head Moderator

Are you going to be doing any touring for the WP release? how bout the US or UK release of TDTCB. If so, is there any chance we could convince you to come to Washington? view post


Just wanted to say thanks posted 02 Feb 2004, 05:02 in Author Q & AJust wanted to say thanks by DrBloodmoney1, Commoner

... for writing such a great book. I imported it into the US from canada through Neil at Clarkesworld books (www.clarkesworld.com) after hearing about the book through some of the different sf/f messageboards that I frequent (specifically the www.malazan.com forum). I read the book in June of last year and thought it was fantastic. You have another reader, and one in the US even, so with the upcoming hardcover release in the states I'll certainly buy a hb copy. Thanks and congrats on the success DrB view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 06:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

Thanks for the replies guys. Well, I hope we'll hear something definitive about the Warrior Prophet release date very soon. [i:2pfcom40]I've been been debating between When Sorcerers Sing and, as Wil mentions, The Thousandfold Thought[/i:2pfcom40] The Thousandfold Thought. Definitly ;) view post


Warrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* posted 02 Feb 2004, 16:02 in The Warrior ProphetWarrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* by Mithfânion, Didact

[i:9f72ux1x]As the Holy War continues its inexorable southward march, it is itself conquered from within-by the Warrior-Prophet. Able to see thoughts through faces and to steer souls through word and expression, Kellhus strives to extend his dominion. The sorcerer Achamian and his lover, Esmenet, submit entirely, only to have their faith-and their love-tested in unimaginable ways. Meanwhile, the warrior Cnaiür falls ever deeper into madness, convinced Kellhus will betray their pact to murder Kellhus's father. n the Holy War's most desperate hour, each will be forced to choose between their most desperate desires and the end of the world. Between hatred and hope. Between Anasurimbor Kellhus and the Second Apocalypse. [/i:9f72ux1x] and: [i:9f72ux1x]Steering souls through the subtleties of word and expression, Anasûrimbor Kellhus gradually extends his dominion over the Men of the Tusk. Succumbing utterly to Kellhus, the sorcerer Achamian is reunited at long last with Esmenet, only to be abducted by a rival sorcerous school. He rejoins the Holy War in its most desperate hour, only to discover that Kellhus has taken Esmenet as his wife. Meanwhile, the warrior Cnaiur, convinced that Kellhus will betray their pact to murder Kellhus's father, turns to the agents of the Second Apocalypse and strikes an infernal bargain. [/i:9f72ux1x] view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 17:02 in The Warrior ProphetWarrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Welcome to the forum! Where did you get these sypnopsi (or synopses, or whatever)? view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 17:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I agree. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 17:02 in The Warrior ProphetWarrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* by Mithfânion, Didact

The publisher's site :) view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 17:02 in The Warrior ProphetWarrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Thanks. I didn't doubt you, I was just curious. view post


Darkness that comes before synopsis posted 02 Feb 2004, 17:02 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeDarkness that comes before synopsis by Mithfânion, Didact

[i:15w1ze0c]In a world scarred by an apocalyptic past, untold thousands assemble for holy war. Among them, two men and two women find themselves ensnared by a mysterious traveller from lands long thought dead. Will they unravel his secret in time to prevent a second apocalypse? Will they see the difference between the passion that elevates and the passion that enslaves?[/i:15w1ze0c] and [i:15w1ze0c] This is a history of a great and tragic holy war, of the mighty factions that sought to possess and pervert it, and of a son searching for his father. And like all histories, it is we, the survivors, who will write its conclusion. In a world scarred by an apocalyptic past, untold thousands gather for Holy War, determined to wrest the Holy City of the Latter Prophet from the hands of their heathen kin. Among them walks Anasûrimbor Kellhus, a mysterious traveler from lands long thought dead, the product of two thousand years of breeding and a lifetime of training in the ways of thought, limb, and face. Steering souls through the subtleties of word and expression, he slowly binds all-man and woman, emperor and slave-to his own mysterious ends.[/i:15w1ze0c] view post


Welcome to the Nebulous Forum! posted 02 Feb 2004, 18:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWelcome to the Nebulous Forum! by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Here's a spot to discuss the eventual release of the eventual third book with an eventual name. I don't know how much use we'll get out of it for a while, but here it is. view post


The Title posted 02 Feb 2004, 18:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Title by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I thought I'd take a poll to see how many people prefer which title over the other. Feel free to vote and comment. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Mithfânion, Didact

I've never read "Sandkings", I've heard several people say good things about it but it's hard to find a Martin collection that carries it and is still in print. There is a Locus Awards book coming out in June which will probably contain this short story though, among many others. As for ASOIAF, certainly it's a breath of fresh air. I'm very fond of it, love the brutality, the gritty feel of it as well as the dialogues and the characterization. Martin is adept at virtually all aspects of Fantasy writing. The only aspect which I have been less than satisfied with sofar is his very subdued use of magic. It is coming more to the fore with the books to come, but sofar it has been a bit too suppressed for me to be pleased by this aspect of his Fantasy books. With regard to Tolkien, you just have to love his Elves. His history of the First Age is just so phenomenal, I really think it's mindblowing material . I personally find the Silmarillion a more exciting story than the LoTR because of the vastness of scope, the great inherent power of some of the characters, the sense of etherealness, the cruelty of fate, the drama of so many individuals in the context of the Great Wars, the remarkable beauty of Middle-earth. Hard to surpass that. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Ah, but I love that magic is so subdued in ASOIAF. It is what lends the books such a realistic, almost historical fiction feel. You could make them into a special on the History Channel and almost get away with it. They are incredibly believable. I also enjoy the gritty feel. No character is "good" and no character is "evil." Actually, that is part of why the PON appeals to me so much. Every character is multfaceted. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Author Q & AJust wanted to say thanks by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Thank you, DrB! And thank Tracy Carns at Overlook Press in the US for picking the books up... I almost found myself in Steven's boat of having to prove myself in every market other than the US market before they would pick me up. Strange how conservatism seems directly proportional to power... There's always more flexibility at the fringes of things. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

I'm with you on the Silmarillion, Mithfanion. The primary protagonist of all Tolkien's works is Middle-earth - I see the Silmarillion as ME's solo adventure. The 'scarcity of magic' debate is a tricky one, and something I've pondered obsessively in my own work. It seems to me that if magic is over-used or haphazardly presented that it ceases to become 'fantastic.' The more scarce it is, the more exceptional it seems. But then, if you make too scarce, it starts to seem you're reading an 'alternate historical' rather than a fantasy. It's a tightrope. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Author Q & ATouring by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Penguin flew me out to Vancouver last year, but there's nothing firm yet about my spring itinerary. Overlook seems to be concentrating on the Northeast for this June and July - I don't think they have money for much more. Lord knows I don't! I give you updates as these things are confirmed. Anyone here going to Worldcon in Boston this year? When they're organized properly they're some serious fun. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Mithfânion, Didact

Agreed. People's mileage varies enormously when it comes to magic. I'm not looking for cheap Dungeons & Dragons style stuff, but I have to say I love the signicant dosis of Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen. There has to be consistency anyway, whether it is scarce or not. I think limiting powerful magic to a restricted few, and offsetting that against normal humans is probably a good way to add the mystique of magic to your tale.It's easy to make it too abundant, but as you say, you don't want it to become straight historical fiction or even alternative history either. view post


Best character posted 02 Feb 2004, 20:02 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Mithfânion, Didact

Who do you think is the best character of the series sofar, and why? view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 22:02 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Wil, Head Moderator

This is a really hard question. They are all so well written, but I would have to say Esmenet is my favorite character. I've always had a soft spot for the "Unfortunate" characters. There is something about them that justifies everything that they do, because the have had such a horrible life. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 22:02 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I really like Kellhus, but I also like Cnaiür. He has so many layers which just keep getting peeled back. Esmenet is good too, although I don't find her as intriguing. view post


posted 02 Feb 2004, 23:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Consistency is king. Consistency conveys authenticity, which generates the suspension of disbelief, which makes possible the experience of AWE. Large or small, I think magic needs to be 'awe inspiring,' whatever that means. view post


kellhus == good guy?? posted 03 Feb 2004, 04:02 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by banditski, Candidate

i originally posted this on a discussion board for a song of ice and fire, but i think it should get more response here... ----- maybe i'm too into asoiaf - and all the twists that comes with it - but i somehow see kellhus as being a 'bad' guy. at first i thought he was kind of a 'prince who was promised' kinda guy - the ultimate badasskicker. but now i'm starting to wonder if he is part of, or a different faction of, the bad guys. i doubt that he's in with the non-men, but the non-men aren't necessarily with the no-god. quoting the non-man from the prologue, "i have ridden both against and for the no-god in the great wars that authored this wilderness." so being the enemy of a non-man doesn't make you a 'good guy'. at least i'm quite skeptical that kellhus is simply out to assassinate his father because he 'polluted' the dunyain 'isolation' - which kellhus is doing all over the three seas now, incidentally... ----- it doesn't make much sense now when i reread it, but the point is that i'm really doubting which 'side' kellhus is on... view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 04:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Title by banditski, Candidate

3-0 for ttt. well, it's unanimous. 8) view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 04:02 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Wil, Head Moderator

I too have the feeling that Kellhus isn't the person we think he is. He's a little too callus and manipulative to be the archtypical "good guy". But who knows what purpose he will serve in the end. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 04:02 in Author Q & ATouring by banditski, Candidate

scott, were you at torcon this year (i would assume you were). it was my first sci-fi con - pretty fun. if you were there, did you do anything special, as an author - outside of a generic fan?? i hadn't read darkness at that point or i surely would have searched you out. my friend just lent me darkness in december. interestingly, this friend picked up darkness because he read on the back cover that you live in london. he and i became friends while going to western in the 90s. "western western western u, college fair and square..." :lol: edit: after doing a little googling, i found the answer to my question about torcon. sorry i missed it. :? view post


100 Posts! posted 03 Feb 2004, 06:02 in Off-Topic Discussion100 Posts! by Wil, Head Moderator

We've made it to 100 posts! That's the first milestone! Congrats all! [img:24xkg03x]http://www.xpphotoalbum.com/data/500/4183100posts.jpg?5122[/img:24xkg03x] view post


Woh! posted 03 Feb 2004, 10:02 in Off-Topic DiscussionWoh! by Elfstone4Evenstar, Commoner

Hey everything has gone black! arghhhhhhhh :P view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 15:02 in Author Q & AMen v. Nonmen by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Exellent information. That indeed explains a lot about what went down in the prologue. Can you give us any indication of how many nonmen still exist? For instance, could they muster an army or are there just a few left? view post


About the books posted 03 Feb 2004, 16:02 in The Warrior ProphetAbout the books by Thadal, Commoner

Hello. As the author's brother I can tell you that with this trilogy you will be taken on quite a ride. The first book establishes, the second and third are pure story driven action and intellectual intrigue. I'm incrediably proud of my brother for what he's created and how hard he's worked. That this website has been established just reienforces my long held belief that one day R. Scott Bakker will be known as, not only a great writer, but a great man. The work he'll do in the coming years will prove that. I have to laugh you know. You guys are probably a lot like me after all. The awe. The sheer sense of awe my brother creates in these books. You tasted it in the Darkness. You'll feast on it the prophet and the thousand fold thought. This trilogy and the projects planned after it... too. Heh. Just keep reading guys. You have no idea what's in store. :idea: Bryan view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 16:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

Any news yet regarding the release of WP? view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 16:02 in The Warrior ProphetAbout the books by Mithfânion, Didact

Hi Bryan A sense of awe is precisely what is missing in so many Fantasy books and hearing that this is one of your brother's fortes is precisely what I want to hear. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 17:02 in Author Q & AMen v. Nonmen by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Many Nonmen wander Earwa and the Three Seas, searching for trauma - which is to say, memories. A few hundred serve Golgotterath. The majority of these are what are called 'Erratics' - Nonmen who've been driven mad by the accumulation of trauma. The majority of surviving Nonmen, however, dwell in Ishterebinth - stonghold of the ancient Nonmen nation of Injor Niyas - where they struggle to keep the dwindling flame of their ancient civilization alive. Here the Quya and the Siqu masters continue their studies, developing techniques, sorcerous and otherwise, to keep their race sane. There, I've gone and said too much! Welcome to forum Loosecannon! Will I see you at the TWP book launch? view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 17:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by delavagus, Commoner

I realize that many consider this heresy, but fantasy (= modern fantasy as we understand the genre) doesn't require magic in order to be fantasy; it only requires "otherness." The real power of fantasy lies in its ability to closely explore the big questions of our world by, pardoxically, pulling away from our world and its "welter of associations" (to use a Bakker-esque phrase). The question is how far do you pull: Tolkein far or Guy Gavriel Kay far? Both write/wrote fantasy. The world of AL-RASSAN bears far greater resemblance to our world than Middle-Earth does, but ultimately even Middle-Earth functions through its echoing and re-echoing of histories and mythologies that are entirely "real." But then, I _have_ to believe that a fantasy novel without magic is still a fantasy novel -- after all, I've just finished writing one! view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 17:02 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by delavagus, Commoner

Hmm, yes, who knows... (Looks away coyly.) I made a Poll in the Welcome section on the Kellhus issue. Check it out. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 18:02 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by delavagus, Commoner

Kellhus. He's the most interesting, and usually I find the most interesting character = my favorite character. I have a soft spot for Achamian, though, as well as poor conflicted Cnaiur (though if I actually met Cnaiur, I'd run in the opposite direction as quickly as possible). But really, my favorite character -- and I know this will warm the cockles of Bakker's heart -- is Earwa, the World. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Off-Topic DiscussionWoh! by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Do you like it? Its a theme based on TDTCB cover. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 18:02 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I think Kellhus is up in the air. He is neutral right now, but all of Bakker's characters are morally ambiguous. No one is saintly, and no one is depraved. So far, at least. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I totally agree with that. In ASOIAF there has been essentially no magic to date. A few bits here and there, but largely none. Yet there is no doubt that what you are reading is a work of fantasy. Are you publishing your book? I'd like to look for it when it comes out. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 18:02 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by delavagus, Commoner

No one is depraved?! Bakker would be appalled! Surely he didn't hit so far off his mark with every character? :wink: view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 18:02 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I mean illogically depraved. For example, I find many of tolkien's characters too unbelievably evil, lacking the brains that one would require to get anything truly evil done. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by delavagus, Commoner

Exactly. Authors like Martin and Kay give me hope that my novel -- at least in form and content -- is publishable. Eventually I'll write my Big Fat Fantasy World novels, but now I'm more interested in writing fantasy that sticks to pastures a bit closer to home. RE: publishing... I hope it never comes down to _me_ actually publishing my book. I hope that a _publisher_ will do that. But yes, I'm currently mapping a few different routes toward the Great Publishing-House Monolith. It's possible that my book might be on the shelves in a few years. Stranger things have happened. For instance... I dunno... there's gotta be something stranger, but at the moment I'm drawing a blank... view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Author Q & AMen v. Nonmen by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Thanks for the timely response! Nice to see a response from an author that doesn't contain the phrase "read and find out". And I echo what others have said on this site: great work and keep it up, looking forward to the rest of the series. :) As for the book launch - where and when? I saw you at Chapters last summer in north London but didn't have my copy of Darkness with me and was on the way to work so didn't have any time, unfortunately, to chat. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 19:02 in Off-Topic DiscussionWoh! by Mithfânion, Didact

I do, looks very nice. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 20:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Drawing a blank delavagus? How about ME getting published! Don't get no stranger than that... During daylight at least. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 20:02 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by delavagus, Commoner

Hey, _I_ wasn't gonna be the one to say it! :wink: view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 21:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Wil, Head Moderator

I just received information from Scott saying that May 20 looks like the release date. Slightly better then June, eh? view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 21:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

It certainly is. :) Still, it is a bit confusing isn't it? Penguin and Canada saying it is June 11th or 13th, the website saying April 27th. I take it May 20th is definite then? view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 21:02 in Off-Topic DiscussionWoh! by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Most of the design work is Wil's, though I did give my input. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 22:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Wil, Head Moderator

May 20 is what the Author knows, hopefully it's right. :lol: I would say May 20 is most likely the most accurate. view post


posted 03 Feb 2004, 23:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

In that case it might be sensible to contact the publisher and alert them to the fact they have it listed one month too late. As long as they don't change the date we're unlikely to be buying any Warrior Prophets at May 20th. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 00:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Oh, I've told them. I'll let you all know as soon as I get anything definite... The most it seems anyone can say is that it's coming out sometime between the end of April and mid-June. I'm pretty dismayed about all this - and embarrassed. But then GGK told me once that stuff like this is pretty much the rule in the biz. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 02:02 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by LooseCannon, Peralogue

I got the impression that Kellhus was completely apathetic to every person he encountered in the book. He seemed to use them as tools and easily discard them if they were of no further use (as he did with Leweth). As for his intentions - I thought he was still planning on killing his father by the end of the book. However, I think in the second and/or third book he is going to change his priorities. For instance once he meets his father they will probably have a long conversation and his father will know how to break through all his Dunyain schooling and turn him to his side or whatever. Other than that I really don't know. It's all just wild speculation on my part. I need to reread tDtcB before May. Hard to remember a lot of this stuff. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 02:02 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by LooseCannon, Peralogue

I liked them all pretty much. However, the Emperor Xerius really stood out for me. The guy was absolutely hilarious. His inner monologue was a treat to read, not to mention the way he treated his mother. Needless to say I got mucho amusement from his chapters. Hopefully if he dies he will come back as a disembodied voice or something. ;) view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 03:02 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Yes, the emperor was a character who continued to surprise me and I still am not really sure if he is brilliant or moronic. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 03:02 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Do we ever actually hear from Kellhus that he is going to kill his father? I never remember him thinking that or saying that in an arena ni which we can believe. I am rereading right now, so its possible it simply slipped my mind. view post


Magic posted 04 Feb 2004, 13:02 in Author Q & AMagic by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Just wondering if you could shed a little more light on the Schoolmen in your series. We know that the Mandate have the "Gnostic of the Ancient North" which seems to make them more powerful then the other Schools from the Three Seas. Can you explain the Gnostic a little on this board? What exactly is it? And also, I'm not sure if it was ever mentioned in tDtcB but are certain Schoolmen more powerful than others from the same School, and if so what separates them in terms of power (i.e. natural ability, being able to draw more power into them, etc, etc)? view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 16:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

Yes, it happens a lot. For instance Tad Williams's Shadowmarch was scheduled for Spring 2004, and now it's November. It's not often that it happens so close to the expected release date though. No reason to be embarrassed anyway, you finished the book and can hardly be blamed for the strange behaviour on the publisher's part ( by strange I mean primarily postponing the book for no apparent reason and even more for not even telling the author, I would think he/she would be the first one to be informed). view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 18:02 in Author Q & AMagic by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Hi Loosecannon. I knew I was going to get into trouble when you mentioned in an earlier post that you appreciated not getting a 'read and find out' response! Many particulars regarding the Schoolmen and their competing Metaphysics come to the fore in TWP, and I'm sure you despise spoilers more than 'read and find out!' I can summarize the tidbits scattered through TDTCB, however. The sorcery of the Three Seas, Anagogic (and Daimotic) sorcery, arose from its shamanistic roots without the benefit of the Quya, the Nonmen sorcerer caste, whose sorcery was ancient before the Tusk was even written. The Gnosis, the sorcery of the Ancient North, is the result of what was called the Nonman Tutelage, a period in ancient Norsirai history marked by cultural exchanges between Nonmen and Men. The Gnosis is simply what the Anagogis could be, if the proper conceptual leaps were made... Differences between sorcerers sharing the same Metaphysics is determined in much the same way differences in any profession are: native ability, knowledge, training, and experience. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 19:02 in Author Q & AMagic by Voland, Candidate

Hi Great job btw. Outstanding series....can't wait for the next one :D my question: When do the sorceror susceptability towards chorae manifest. Are the Few always susceptible to it regardless of training or only when they have been trained. [quote:q4qzbca0]The Gnosis is simply what the Anagogis could be, if the proper conceptual leaps were made... [/quote:q4qzbca0] Are you implying that they will be made... :D view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 19:02 in Author Q & AMagic by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Hi Voland. Thanks for the kind words! The issue of the Chorae threshold is also broached in TWP. There is, however, a limited grey zone, consisting of arcane keys, ciphers, and so on, which one of the Few can utter without suffering the bruise or Mark of sorcery. It's the Mark that determines whom the Chorae can kill. If one of the Few can recognize you, then so can those accursed Trinkets... view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 20:02 in Author Q & AMagic by Voland, Candidate

ah Thank you. So no go on the Cishaurum in regards to the chorae. :D view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 20:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Voland, Candidate

Any word on a European release of the books. Specifically Scandinavia, and even more specific, Sweden. I got my copy from www.ueb.se, last one incidentally, but I have no idea from where they got it. While no stranger top ordering books from overseas, I did order GRRM: a Rretrospective from Clarkesworld (who carries darkness, he's a great guy btw, frequent poster at both asoiaf and malazan empire), but I'd rather pick it up at my local bookstore. view post


TDTCB Makes Locus's "Recommended" List posted 04 Feb 2004, 20:02 in Interviews and ReviewsTDTCB Makes Locus's "Recommended" List by delavagus, Commoner

Check it out! http://www.locusmag.com/2004/Issues/02R ... ading.html view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 21:02 in Author Q & ADunyain by Priest, Candidate

Hello, new member here. I have but two questions sofar, pertaining to Kellhus himself. How does he hold up against the strongest of the Chisaurim or the strongest members of the Sorcerer schools? Also, how does he rank among other Dunyians? All in terms of ability, power, intelligence. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 22:02 in Author Q & ADunyain by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Greetings Priest! Kellhus is definitely one tough mother fo... At this point, comparing him strength-wise to Cishaurim or Schoolmen is kind of like comparing apples and oranges - especially since so much of his power derives from his intellect. I know this'll sound like a cheat, but your question actually becomes important to much of what happens in TWP. Crucial, in fact. And I hate being a spoiler as much as reading them. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 22:02 in Author Q & AMagic by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

They're almost as fatal to the Cishaurim as well, though the mechanics differ. The Inrithi would be in a whole heap of trouble otherwise. I've actually structured the different sorceries of Earwa along the lines of different philosophical theories of language. For the Cishaurim, it's the THOUGHT, and not the utterance that is key, as it is in traditional sorcery. The Chorae are each inscribed with metaphysical contradictions, impossible propositions, that undo thoughts as readily as they undo utterances. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 23:02 in Author Q & ADunyain by Priest, Candidate

From all that I've read of WP sofar, it sounds like exactly the kind of book I'm hoping for, tackling all the major areas of interest. Would answering how he ranks among the Dunyians qualify as a spoiler too? view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 23:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Nothing for Scandinavia as of yet. S&S UK actually has Scandinavian rights for English publications. I'll ask my agent about the translation rights - though I thought most of you hyper-educated norsemen preferred reading your fantasy like your philosophy - in the original English! As it stands, the book is being translated into Russian, French, and German. I'm intensely curious to see how these turn out. If you don't mind, Voland, I'm very curious how many of the names strike your ear. English, which is a bastardized, mongrel language if there ever was one, has a curious hierarchy of sound-groups because of its history, with Germanic words (like 'good') at the bottom, French-derived words (like 'superb') in the middle, and Latinate words (like 'excellent') at the top (with Celtic and Scandinavian influences wriggling in from the side). What this means is that native English readers will more readily associate 'earthiness' with those names I derive from Germanic roots, and 'loftiness' with those names I derive from Latinate roots. How do they strike you? view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 23:02 in Author Q & ADunyain by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Sorry about that. Kellhus is actually a prodigy among even the Dunyain, though any one of them would have us raking their yard and taking out their trash (and loving them for it) inside of five sentences. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 23:02 in Author Q & ADunyain by Priest, Candidate

Lol! :D view post


posted 05 Feb 2004, 07:02 in Author Q & AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Voland, Candidate

I haven't read a fantasy book in Swedish since the Belgariad back when I was 13 (12 years ago), for that matter the books I've read in swedish in the last 10-12 years outside school can be counted on one, perhaps two hands. I always try to read in the author's language (when possible), since I believe that you inevitably lose some ideas/humor etc. in the translation :) There is a really good sci & fi bookstore in Stockholm, perhaps they can be persuaded to sell your books :D As for the names, I think I know what you mean. Names like Esmenet differ a great deal from, say, Anasûrimbor Kellhus/Moënghus, Ikurei Xerius & Conphas and Nersei Proyas. The latter do imply a certain loftiness, as you put it. With Kellhus & Moënghus feeling somewhat different. So, imo, it works really well. But I have to put some more thought into it...gotta get to school real soon. :D view post


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