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Drugs posted 12 Mar 2006, 15:03 by Sokar, Auditor

After reading the descussion on autistic people, I could not but think of drugs, especially of Van Gogh who is told to have been drinking two bottles of absint every day. What I mean by drugs are only those that change ones perception, indeed also alcohol. I don't want the descussion to lead to "philosophy of excess", neither to the justful, or unjustful, prohibition. I just want to know what people think of drug usage and the perception one gets. Personally, I have used quiet some drugs, in fact I still do, living in the Netherlands is very supporting in getting good quality :D. Through these, I have found myself constantly, of course depending on the drug, being intrigued, to say the least, of human perception of the world. I have solved many problems while being on drugs, though mostly I have forgotten the solution after the effects were over, again depending on drug. I suppose what I want to say is that one stops thinking in a structural formation of the world, while being on drugs, and personally I see it as a wonderful thing. Comments would especially be appreciated from those who have these "inefficiencies".... view post

posted 13 Mar 2006, 00:03 by Randal, Auditor

I've solved many problems in dreams. If I dream, everything becomes clear. I can be the cleverest man in the world. The solutions jump from my fingertips without the slightest effort. And then I wake up, and I discover all those marvellous solutions I thought up make about as much sense as tax law. Although I've never used drugs, I suspect your solutions were of the same ephemeral quality, even if you had been able to remember them. I suppose an artist could create something whilst stoned. Apparently, Coleridge wrote his Kublai Khan whilst under the influence of opium, and never finished it when the buzz wore off. But I doubt more... practical issues can be solved by using such "geestverruimende middelen". (litterally, mind-enlarging substances. Though mind-blowing might also be appropriate) view post

posted 14 Mar 2006, 18:03 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

i have used A LOT of drugs in my day, but i really don;t anymore. i like to smoke pot still, and to have the odd drink, but more serious drugs just aren;t worth the hassle anymore. everyone's reasons for drug use are different. i find that smoking pot helps to relax me to the point where i can really let out my creativity. i paint a lot, and while i can paint while totally sober, it just isn;t the same. it's like my brain is running to quickly for me to be able to sit calmly and paint. view post

posted 16 Mar 2006, 11:03 by Sokar, Auditor

Randal -> I am of the opinion that drugs should be used to solve problems. In fact, I would most probably have the same judgemental opinion of a politician using drugs to solve a crisis as anybody else. My point was that drugs give a "new", maybe better to say different, perspective. And through this perspective you can come to other conclusions, which are, to me personally, much mroe simplified. It is true that I don't remember most of the solutions I have had, and ideed most of them make little sense once back in "reality", but when I read some things I have written down while on drugs, I am shocked at how simple some things are, and how much I have thought in directions that are not relevant. Again, maybe it's a personal thing. Gierra -> Just a question, as I used to draw (just made scetches with a pen or pencil) a long time ago. I have never drawn while on drugs, so I would not know if I would be creative. What strikes me is that your brain is overload while sober. For me it is the other way around. While on drugs I cannot stop thinking, in fact I don't want to stop thinking. So my question is, how is that nuisence? I would imagine it to be a gift, to let your mind wonder off in any direction on the painting. Or does it really depend on the art itself, maybe concentration? view post

posted 16 Mar 2006, 14:03 by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

I love to draw and paint, and I've never tried marijuana. But I had a friend I liked to paint with who tried it several times...We did a series together of paintings that either he or I would start and the other would finish. Interestingly enough, we were doing an oil on canvas while he was high and it was the only painting, that we made, that anyone had ever wanted to buy. You can interpret that anyway you want...but I've since decided to not smoke mj, mainly for artistic reasons. Doesn't make a lot of sense, I know, but I liked the paintings we did when he wasn't high, even tho no body else does...... :cry: And as for my perception of illegal drugs, I haven't really decided what I think. I mean, my idea of them is constantly is changing...especially marijuana.... For instance, I used to think anything marijuana was just unhealthy, then, just recently, they came out with a marijuana-based prescription drug that treats diabetes. But, being raised in Hawaii, I used to see a lot of drug and alcohol abuse and I've had friends who have tried marijuana and they had some bad experiences, others decided marijuana was the best thing that ever happened to them. I also had a friend who was strung out on LSD a lot and she was a great person even when she was hallucinating, and she never one hurt her self....I've heard of a lot less lucky people who have tried LSD too. I guss what I'm trying to say is my views on illegal drugs change depending on the perosn using them, since the how people react to drugs change from indiviual to individual.... view post

posted 16 Mar 2006, 20:03 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

sokar: i really think it depends on the person. my brain moves insanely fast normally. i'll have a zillion thoughts at once, and end up feeling as though i've missed something important. pot slows down my thought process, making it easier to catch each individual thought and being able to ponder it for at least a moment. back in high school i was, um, a class clown, sorta. my art teacher knew i cam to class most days high as a kite, but she didn;t mind because those days were the ones where i just sat quietly and did my work. drugs are not bad, it's how some people react to them. i know some people who can;t stand pot, it makes them nervous and paranoid, etc. i've really never had that feeling tho. i've done a hell of a lot of acid too, back when it was easier to find than pot. some people would have terrible trips and freak out, but that is something that never happened to me. i always knew what was going on and was always in control. some people can;t handle that, and they shouldn;t do drugs. view post

posted 16 Mar 2006, 20:03 by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

i agree view post

posted 16 Mar 2006, 20:03 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

[quote="Edge of Certainty":3i924jba]i agree[/quote:3i924jba] cirlce takes the square! view post

posted 20 Mar 2006, 22:03 by stormchaser, Candidate

Do certain drugs enhance creativity? I've done plenty in my time, and I'm still not sure of the answer. What amazes me is how so many really good artists were/are alcoholics. If I had to pick a drug that affected creativity in a negative way, it would be alcohol. And yet, so many truly amazing works of art of all kinds were done under the influence of heavy drinking. It's almost like the creative part of the mind refuses to be suppressed. A true artist WILL produce art, regardless of the drugs that get ingested. On the other hand, those without much talent are probably not going to produce masterpieces just because they do drugs. In short, I think drugs are for the most part irrelevant to the creative process. If there is a connection at all between drugs and creativity, it's just that creative people seem to be more likely to use drugs in the first place. As for why [i:aq0jczq6]that[/i:aq0jczq6] is, I couldn't tell you. Personally I find my desire to use drugs has dwindled as I've gotten older. The only drugs I'm still attracted to are the opiate drugs, which unfortunately are among the most physically addictive. Better not to have done anything at all. I don't recommend the use of drugs to anybody. view post

posted 21 Mar 2006, 03:03 by Zarathinius, Auditor

The only mind-altering drug I use is a perscription, which keeps me out of trouble. However, I once overdosed slightly on the Adderal, and I found the experience... dizzying. Rather than slowing down or fogging up my thoughts, I wound up being able to focus so clearly that I spent the whole day with a stupid grin on my face, since the feeling of mental energy was rather euphoric. I have not experienced any problems because of using Adderal, so I think the doctors can be trusted on this one. It has improved my school career tremendously, but it does reduce my appetite, so I wound up losing 5 pounds that I shouldn't have lost. Makes it harder to sleep too, now that I think about it. Still, this is a case of a mind-affecting drug being worth the risks. view post

posted 04 Apr 2006, 21:04 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I've never been a big drug user, social alcohol consumption has been about it, although I have tried pot as well. I just never felt a real need to smoke it regularly but will never turn it down if it is the right time for it so to speak. I'm pretty libertarian when it comes to what we do with our bodies, so I think that most drugs should be legal for adults to consume. Of course you also have to treat it appropriately in the way we do drunk driving... can't allow personal freedoms to impinge upon someone elses. Of course some drugs (like Meth for instance) are really, really bad. I don't think I know a single person who hasn't been completely screwed up because of that one. So I'd tend to take a little bit of a stronger stance on drugs like that simply out of common sense. I do agree with the statement that it isn't drugs in general that are bad, it is how certain people react to them. These reactions are both because of personality and even your genes (the same way with prescriptions drugs... alot of adverse reactions have a genetic root cause). view post

posted 07 Apr 2006, 02:04 by Brent, Commoner

I have always found American phrases such as "Real Life is Drug Free" and "The War on Drugs" laughable. Drugs are substances taken to alter cognitive and/or physical function broadly speaking. If they are taken to compensate or correct for dysfunction (transient or permanent), then surely most of us would acknowledge they serve a useful purpose, e.g., narcotic pain medication after a painful injury or antibiotic ointment to prevent infection in a cut. However, when substances are taken to alter cognitive and/or physical function without any obvious pre-existing dysfunction...this is the basis of recreational use (and I guess religious use also if we think of peyote in native american religions, etc.). This is the only venue where I think there is any moral quandry. The two most pervasive such substances are alcohol and tobacco. I don't think these drugs are evil, though they have caused tremendous human suffering, debilitation, and disease. I don't think "illegal" drugs are inherently evil either. When any of them are utilized however, the user HAS to understand and accept the potential side affects (of which addiction is one). This requires that a person be competent to make decisions for him or herself and that they have access to "full disclosure" of what these drugs can or will do to them. The current body of laws, medical licensing through the DEA in the US and such is a stirring testament to how much faith governments have in their citizens being able to make such decisions. I guess the only thing that bothers me is the concept of early exposure to drugs or alcohol. Most preteens and teens are not capable of making mature decisions. Once you've reached the age of consent however, I think there is no justifiable reason to outlaw narcotics, stimulants, depressents, hallucinogens, or marijuana any more or less than there is to outlaw alcohol and tobacco. That said, I drink good English ales and excellent (but affordable) Italian wines when I can - generally in moderation. After enough alcohol however (on rare occasions), I occasional develop a profound sensation of detachment from the physical world around me - puppetmaster of myself or buffered from reality. I do not feel creative in this mode but instead like I'm in a coccoon within myself. I have never consumed "illegal" drugs nor do I think I ever will. I enjoy the occasional cigar or pipe but loathe cigarettes and chewing tobacco. view post

posted 11 Jun 2006, 15:06 by Izz, Commoner

I enjoy marijuana and dxm. I think alcohol is terrible and brings out the worst in a lot of people, not to mention being unhealthy. Marijuana is the exact opposite. DXM, while having no proven adverse affects, should only be used occasionally and in regulation and after intense research. That said, if I were painting while high, the painting would not be miraculously changed. The ideas, after all, come from myself and not the marijuana. Edge of Certainty, I doubt you would be able to tell your friend's paintings apart if you didn't know beforehand which ones he was high while painting. The fact that someone wanted to buy that particular painting is a coincinidence. I suggest that you enjoy all the paintings you two do together, regardless of whether your friend was under the influence or not - because it doesn't matter very much. It is about the connection between you two human beings - it just so happens that smoking marijuana is a part of who your friend is. No offense, but I can tell that you are a little uptight about marijuana. It is hard not to be when our governments find it so damning. But marijuana has been used since mankind's beginnings. In all this time it hasn't ruined humanity or the world. Marijuana has never even taken a single life. One thing I will say about marijuana, however, is it makes the mind flow. This makes it very easy to make connections of logic as things gravitate together. But I think the memory issue tends to be exaggerated. Unless I am baked out of my gourd, I remember things just fine. As far as DXM goes, I had never felt such a goodness in my life before I tripped. Because of this goodness, I realized why I would WANT to be alive. That can't be a bad thing. view post

posted 12 Jun 2006, 00:06 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

[quote="Izz":p83qp0sn] One thing I will say about marijuana, however, is it makes the mind flow. This makes it very easy to make connections of logic as things gravitate together. But I think the memory issue tends to be exaggerated. Unless I am baked out of my gourd, I remember things just fine. [/quote:p83qp0sn] For you, this may be the case. I have had a different experience with THC, and consequently I don't touch the shit anymore. It's all about personal chemistry -- and what may work for you may do something really fucked-up to me. After a fairly dissipated youth, I'm down to caffeine and EtOH these days -- anything else and I can feel my IQ and "Goodwill towards Humanity" points leach away... view post

posted 14 Jun 2006, 22:06 by Space Boy, Commoner

My stand on drugs comes down to the people useing them and what really is a drug. If anyone has seen the movie Requiem for a Dream the whole flick is really about how anything can be a drug. Right from Heroin down to Television. My opinion is really that there is somethin for everyone, Everyones got their vice like mine is pot. I have a friend whome is really addicted to sex. As far as creativity, my expierence comes down to eating alot of LSD and haveing a box of color pencils and some drawing paper, and you would be amazed as to what your mind will do without you even knowing. Drugs in general arent for everyone but in reality it comes down to the fact that everything is a drug :) view post

posted 27 Jun 2006, 06:06 by Inner_visions, Candidate

To start it off I've used a few drugs but mainly alcohol and marajuana. After reading every post carefully I find that I've experienced many of the same things you all have while on drugs: memory issues (flashbacks, connection making or overall speed problems), detachment, empowerment, loss of control and the ability to find what I really want in life. Drug usage is really about the state of mind you're in when you take them and who you're with. Drugs should only be takent in a safe and controlled environement especially the first time. As for their effects on our logical paths and ways of thinking i've noticed that they don't make me either more perceptive or less but slow down the thought process letting natural connection occur that normally wouldn't. Most of the time when I'm with people on drugs I notice how childlike we are all and self motivated we all are so I don't like to do drugs with certain people... With friends it's a good environement, we can shed the drama and just enjoy each others company. Drugs differs wildly from person to person and depending on your internal chemistry during the time you do drugs you can seriously screw yourself up. My dad's friend personnaly got fried from one use of Heroin and I have some friends on every drug imaginable... THey have their positives and negatives much like everything else. IMO they should be regulated and controlled by one organization or board seperate from any state or nation so that there isn't any bias or fear or bribery going on. OR at least by the gov't beacuse in the end, people are gonna get what they want... it's a free country you know? And when they get it, it's bad stuff made in someone's basement. There's no lab, no safety procedures... You could take Extasy and end up addicted to meth. Blah too lazy to finish the post so im leaving as is... :D view post

posted 08 Jul 2006, 03:07 by alhana, Auditor

Hmmm I personally have not taken any illegal aka street drugs, but I have seen the disasterous effect on other people, probably because my job often interesects with those who have are in the most desperate times of their lives. I do consume both caffeine and alcohol on a regular basis. I find that without caffeine, it is almost impossible to even have the desire to get dressed some days. Alcohol is my bossum sister when I feel great and definately brings out the FLIRT in me, but she can also be a bitch when I down and mad at the world. I run back because she eventually makes me sleepy when I am really fried and need an "internal vacation." I have had some really really bad experiences on some prescription drugs....Dimerall makes me wretch and I refuse to take anything stronger than Tylenol or Advil for pain as I have a VERY high pain threshold so I have to take almost twice the dose of prescription pain medication to knock out my pain....and then I am drooling on myself and unable to function. I agree with the above observation that ALL drugs work with each individual's body chemistry in a unique way. Even alcohol hits each individual differently as each alcohol is distilled from different plants and herbs. One thing that hasn't not be mentioned yet is that the body also has CHEMICALS which react differently to foreign chemicals ingested. Self-medicating with caffeine, alcohol, pot, meth, opiates is very much under-represented in any understanding of mind altering chemicals. Perhaps people who feel more creative when high really are more focused because their "un-medicated" brain is missing key chemicals that other people have. The natural levels of seretonin (calming hormone) can be elvated with chemicals, as well as dophamine (feel good hormone). Even adrenaline can be absent leaving one feeling blah or "stuck open" leaving one feeling tense. From simple herbs like chamomile and kava root to poppies, tobacco, and mushrooms or even man-made cocktails like meth and heroine or prescription drugs, we humans find ways to balance this "holy trinity" of emotional hormones to achieve relaxation, creativity, or even pleasure. I personally have loosened my own beliefs about the use of substances as I have grown to understand that not every Starbucks addict is sane and not every pot-head is insane :D . I look forward to experiencing better living through chemistry in my future. view post

posted 09 Jul 2006, 17:07 by Izz, Commoner

[quote="Xray the Enforcer":2lmfzd1p] For you, this may be the case. I have had a different experience with THC, and consequently I don't touch the shit anymore. It's all about personal chemistry -- and what may work for you may do something really fucked-up to me. After a fairly dissipated youth, I'm down to caffeine and EtOH these days -- anything else and I can feel my IQ and "Goodwill towards Humanity" points leach away...[/quote:2lmfzd1p] Honestly, if you feel your "goodwill towards humanity" points leached away, there is something wrong with you in your conscious. "Wrong" probably wouldn't be the right word, but you must be angry about something. Marijuana is proven to decrease aggression. As far as your IQ points going away, they don't. I'm sure you feel pretty dumb on your EtOH too. I'm glad you don't do marijuana if you don't like it, but I hate when people tout misinformation. :roll: view post

posted 10 Jul 2006, 13:07 by Sokar, Auditor

Actually Marijuana has a strong effect on short term memory.. Using it for a long time daily can affect your IQ as well.. but personally (and I am not a doctor) I think that has to do with lack of "training".. In other words, I don't think it is weed that decreases the IQ, but your personal lack of reading, thinking and whatever else. It is the same for older people, I think. It's not that they get stupid, but because they do not "train" their abilities as much as they did when they were younger, their IQ is lower. BTW I don't see IQ as a good indicator for one's intellect, but you get they point view post

posted 11 Jul 2006, 10:07 by Peter, Auditor

Whilst I would agree IQ is not necessarily a measure of intellect, I had alsways been told that it is supposed to remain relatively stable over time, so your IQ aged 4 is roughly the same as it is aged 40. I have specifically heard it said that schooling barely increases IQ scores, as in it grants about a 1 point increase per year (and that perhaps only starting in secondary school). I admit this information could easily be misrembered, so if anyone has more accurate or definite accounts of IQ I'd be grateful to know what... :) view post

posted 29 Jul 2006, 06:07 by Iago, Candidate

I <3 drugs! actually, i saw that carved into a desk when I was in middle or high school, some long long years ago. As someone who has had more than a passing familiarity with pot, alcohol, lsd, cocaine (in all it's variants), tobacco, mdma, heroin, and mushrooms (you could probably lump that in with lsd if you wanted to, but the experience isn't the same), I can tell you that it all depends on the person. i can't actually speak to artistic creativity, because I renounced my own ability in my youth, and now only see things in how they unravel, not how they are put together. I can say that in my own experience, that when on mushrooms I am able to catch the nuances of other peoples facial expressions much better. Is that my mind just telling me I know whats up with people when I am shrooming, or is it an actual hightened perception, who knows? I can also say, that when I want a vacation from being me, that mdma is great for that. I'm able to feel empathy, a connection with people around me, "goodwill" (which is almost unheard of in my universe), and so that substance has a high psychic value to me. I have also seen personalities completely disintegrate from extended coke and heroin use. I have met "casual" coke users, although I suspect they are just further up the slide and haven't realized it's a one way trip down, but I have never met a casual junk user. In some of my more fantastic reveries I picture myself a malevolent monk (almost "sith-like"), and even with that kind of idealized willpower, I was almost undone by some of the harder stuff. Should people have the right to privacy and to recreationally use whatever they want? sure, i guess (i'm not that concerned with individual rights). but the kicker is that people lose to ability to regulate themselves on some of the harder drugs, and just like in that movie (rfad) they will steal their mothers t.v. to get some gear and whack up. whats the answer? who knows? from an infernal viewpoint, i guess we should just let everyone do what they want as they flush themselves down the toilet. but the dream of turnbull (see chesterton) has it's appeal also. personal note: i never did anything shady no matter how much i was using, other than selling rock to a borderline retard once... my mother's t.v. is where it has alway been. oh yeah, i also tried selling junk outside a methadone clinic in holland. good times! view post

posted 02 Aug 2006, 00:08 by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

i recently watched a documentary on public television (please don't break my glasses or give me a wedgie) about how the ancient ancestor form of art (cave paintings ect.) was mostly inspired by an altered state of consciousness , brought on by either rythmic music or dancing, or the use of drugs. i just thought it was interesting that the development of fine art was inspired by drugs..... view post

posted 02 Aug 2006, 14:08 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

well, look at how many famous artists have been drug addicts and alcoholics.. view post

posted 02 Aug 2006, 20:08 by Harrol, Moderator

So what your saying is if i do drugs I can become one of the greatest artists of all time? One other question is did Da Vinci do drugs at all? He was very creative. view post

posted 02 Aug 2006, 23:08 by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

well, i didn't say that the great artists who brought art to a new level were always stoned, i was just saying that the the creators of the ancient, more esoteric form of art were....hehe.... and i think all those famous artists who where drug addicts got addicted to drugs because artists sometimes have addictive personalities and not because using drugs enhanced their artistic abilities view post

posted 03 Aug 2006, 03:08 by Primal, Peralogue

There's also alot of famous artists that have been drug-free. =] It's true that drug use applies across the spectrum, but to say that certain groups of people are more prone to use is speculation. view post

posted 04 Aug 2006, 17:08 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

[quote="Harrol":24a9zf69]So what your saying is if i do drugs I can become one of the greatest artists of all time? One other question is did Da Vinci do drugs at all? He was very creative.[/quote:24a9zf69] i don;t know if he did drugs, but he did like sodomising young men. he was also a vegetarian. interesting. anyways, i did not say all great artists were drug addicts or alcoholics.. but there is a startling amount of them that were. but i think edge of certainty was more to the point... view post

posted 08 Aug 2006, 10:08 by Sokar, Auditor

Usually their drug "abuse" kicks in after they become famous artists.. countless examples in music (Morrison, Hendrix, Page..hey I am a fan of good music :D).. I am not so much into fine arts, but pretty sure that it is the same there.. I would somewhat agree with Edge of Certainty here.. their personalities play a large role into the addiction, though I would add that personalities change due to their fame, wealth, place in the social ladder, etc... Drugs, after all, just as reading for me, is a way out of reality, getting beyond the created structures as fame, wealth, social ladder etc... Unfortunately, I wanted to hear personal experiences in detail, and the discussion got into what drug use is, why and how and when... view post

posted 08 Aug 2006, 20:08 by Cynadar, Candidate

The first time I smoked pot (it was actually the second time, but it was the first time I was put into an altered state of mind), I was at home with my brother and I didn't really get "high." It was a horrible attack of paranoia! I couldn't sleep at all that night. But, I've never had a similar experience. But the next time I smoked, it was an amazing experience. It was right around the time the new tool album came out (10, 000 days), so I was listening to that CD (yeah, I know that was only like 2-3 months ago...). The song "The Pot" was crazy awesome! Every song on that CD was amazing, and I had a whole new insight into the filler tracks the put on there as well as the regular songs. Anyway, it really just depends on your surroudings. Because, when we used to get high at home, it usually wasn't as fun. And music is usually very important to me when I get blazed. Bad music doesn't really change the high that much, but good music can make the high so much better. Another random thought: one time, I got really baked while I was working on some huge essay for school. I was able to work on the essay just fine, and I had some amazing insight as well (I looked back on it when I was sober and was amazed at how well my research had been that night). The only thing that really hindered my work was extreme euphoria. I became so happy and felt so amazing, that I had to set the books down for a minute to sit and enjoy the feeling (which only last a few minutes anyway). I'm going to stop rambling about different experiences now. My final point is: using drugs is really affected by your surroundings and mood and can change based on either. view post

posted 09 Aug 2006, 20:08 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

i'd like to share a story about my dad. he's a pothead, smokes daily, and has for at least 30 years. he also manages, somehow, to drink nothing but beer (like, a case a day probably.. he akes his own.) he is one of the most energetic, motivated people i've known in my life. many people will have an idea (like putting a deck in the yard, pruning back some low branches, making some furniture, etc.) and they will hmm and haw about it for a while before they get around to it. i was at my dad's on the weekend to swim, and we were playing horseshoes. he takes one look at the tree that's beside the pits and says 'those branches are looking awfully low, i guess i should trim them.' 5 minutes later he is setting up his ladder, has his chainsaw in his hand. 15 minutes later, the branches have been cut and cleaned up, ladder and chainsaw put away. when he wanted to put in a hot tub and deck extension out in his yard, he thought about it for one night, and drew up blueprints the next morning. later that evening he had exact measurments done, figured out all the materials he'd need, and had placed an order at home depot. this is how he's always been. to me, this is proof that drugs are not the problem. people say potheads are lazy, lack motivation, are just slackers. well, perhaps these people are lazy to begin with, and use pot as an excuse. my dad, at 50, is healthier and more active than most people half his age. my dad is a brilliant engineer and machinist, carpenter, drafter, landscaper, and well just about anything i can think of, he can do. my husband, when he was a teenager, smoked probably half an ounce of pot a day (he grew up in BC). if he wasn;t smoking pot, he was on acid, almost daily, up to like 12 hits at a time sometimes. him and 5 friends would drink a texas mickey of whisky on thursday night, followed by a case of beer, and still end up at school on friday morning. he'd mow the lawns of his parents, neighbors, and anyone else who needed it. his job in high school was a caretaker of a retirement home. he'd be drunk or high most of the time, but did his work very well, the seniors LOVED him. and yet, here he was intoxicated almost all day, every day. he was very active, healthy, got good marks. people like these lead me to further believe that drugs don;t make people stupid and lazy. stupid and lazy people make drugs look bad. sorry for the terribly long post. i'm bored. view post

posted 29 Sep 2006, 16:09 by DrunkenAfficianado, Commoner

I have used these drugs in my life: cannabis, alcohol, dimethyltriptamine hydrocholoride, dextromethorphan hydrobromide, coccaine, LSD 25, MDA, MDMA, crystal meth, heroine, opium, morphine, codine, psylicibine, psylicine, valium, vicodin, and nicotine. I have never used mescaline or done peyote. Drugs are like firearms. They can be used to control or they can be used to free and protect. But it is extremely easy to make a stupid mistake that will change the user's or another's life forever with drugs, just as it is with a firearm. Freedom comes with responsibility. When a person is not responsible, they have no business with guns or drugs. And yet, most of the people who use and profit from drugs and weaponry are irresponsible, thus creating a wretched need for legislation in order to control those who refuse to control themselves. In a society controlled by governments more interested in their own longevity than the rights or wellbeing of its citizenry, drugs that allow a freedom of insight or religious, physical ecstacy are not allowed because they threaten "order" because questions began to be asked that no one can answer with any kind of righteousness. I believe the literary works that this site embraces were written in sobriety, despite the fact that drugs are mentioned within the books. When one is high or transcendent, it is damned easy to see what art needs to be created, but it is almost impossible to then go and do the actual work necessary to bring the art/work to fruition unless one has some ability to become sober as the need arises and the work demands. What good is your great idea if you are too wasted to go get paint or sit at the computer to write. "Oh, I'll do it tomorrow" is the great mantra of the user. Finally, one is seldom arrested or blackmailed for some stupid event when one is sober, though it does happen. view post

posted 05 Jan 2007, 14:01 by avatar_of_existence, Peralogue

Drugs can serve to free a man or make a slave of him. I believe that psychedellics contribute to the former, and opiates to the latter, I myself having (ab)used both. It is important to note that either in excess will likely leave you broken and/or insane. It is also important to note that guidance in the use of either (spritual leaders in the case of psychedellics and doctors in the case of opiates) will almost always improve the outcome, if not at least you will have been warned of the effects of abuse. In any case drugs serve as a doorway into another world, opening up pathways of possibility that lead to both the gates of heaven (rarely opening them) and the darkest pits of hell. Another important note: state your intentions when taking any drug, and if you have none then abstain. The consequences can be devastating to both you and the ones who love you. I found out the hard way. view post

posted 05 Jan 2007, 14:01 by avatar_of_existence, Peralogue

Drug addiction can also be a metaphor for that which we all obsess about in our daily lives, that which keeps us from knowing who we truly are and ironically in many cases, that which keeps us going. view post

posted 11 Jan 2007, 14:01 by Sokar, Auditor

I like hearing of experiences, mostly cause I am still 'experimenting' with drugs.. What you say I have seen as well, the opening of doors to the other world, as well as restating the current world, finding solutions and getting broken/insane.. But each time, all of these ended (luckily?) after the drug worked out. Now I have a question, first on the insanity, how does one know what is insane..My favourite on this issue is the beginning of Foucault's Madness and Civilization, who quotes Dostoyevsky: "It is by confining our neighbour that we prove our own sanity" Second question, doesn't this directly mean that drugs are everything in life, that everything is addicting, as someone else already mentioned. And so, that if everything opens doors to the new worlds, finds the solutions for the current one, doesn't this directly mean that our lives are insanities of Dostoyevsky? view post

posted 09 Feb 2007, 15:02 by avatar_of_existence, Peralogue

Insanity is a lot of things, but primarily it is a state of being where the person is unable to cope with life itself. A wonderful Bakker quote: 'When the real punishes, the soul denies". to the second question I would say that 'addicted' and 'obsessive' behavior is largely a product of denial, and and seem to be ways of diverting attention away from yourself. Advertising is a great example. view post

posted 21 Mar 2007, 22:03 by Jamara, Auditor

Here's a little something I learned. Some people have odd entanglements amongst their neurons. These odd entanglements allow some people to smell textures, or see sounds, or hear colours, etc... Basically the sense processies misfire, though not in a disfunctional way. For example, Hendrix never learned notes or chords, what he did was hear music in colours. He would describe these colours to his manager who would then interprate them into sheet music for the rest of the Band of Gypsies. And statistically, people which such anamolies tend toward artistry. Wtih that said, I think mind altering drugs might be favored among artists because it alters their already altered state of consciousness. That's just a theory though. One thing I do know is that when I listen to some great music, I so enjoy it. But when I listen to that same music stoned, I can feel every note. I connect with the artist and what he is trying to tell me. My weed use has always lowered my inhibitions and allowed me to simply experience and connect with what was around me. But I am always responsible in my drug use, and if I ever do anything I am ashamed of, then that's it for the drug. And I have never tried any drug which I know that the pitfalls far outway any benefit. view post

posted 27 Mar 2007, 04:03 by Buckethead, Peralogue

one of my favorite quotes on drug use and art was from perry ferrell.... i can't remember exactly how it went but he said something along the lines of: any creative person who "needs" drugs to increase their ability to create things, was not a creative person in the first place... ("needs" being the important point in this sentence to me) funny coming from a completely permafried ex-drug abuser. yeah drugs can be fun, and they can give you energy, and i still do some from time to time, but i find that if i sit down and REALLY let go of my inhibitions without the help of chemicals my poems, drawings, paintings and music all turn out better, more honest and i am far less lazy and callous. view post

posted 16 Jul 2007, 14:07 by Curethan, Didact

The very worst thing about drugs in my experience is that you have to consort with criminals to get em. On the other hand the legal ones seem to be used with the most reckless abandon - the most dangerous situations I've ever been in involved other people who were mis-using alcohol. view post

posted 19 Jul 2007, 05:07 by Jamara, Auditor

Curethan - as towards your statement about what was worst about your drug use was dealing with criminals, guess what, you were a criminal as well ;) view post

posted 19 Jul 2007, 06:07 by Curethan, Didact

Which is a part of my point. :wink: view post

posted 20 Jul 2007, 01:07 by Jamara, Auditor

My point was that not all criminals are bad people, they just happen to be breaking unjust/stupid/close-mindedly archaic laws. In some ways you could see that as being patriotic. view post

posted 20 Jul 2007, 08:07 by Curethan, Didact

Mine too :D view post

posted 19 May 2008, 11:05 by jub, Peralogue

Didn't [i:114b7ihn]'Lewis Carrol'[/i:114b7ihn] write Alice's Adventures in Wonderland while in an opium den? I know I have written some crazy stuff while on pot then when I read over it in the morning, although I remember writting it, I have no recollection of why, or how I came to write it. view post


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