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My thoughts on TWP posted 20 Jun 2004, 15:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Since I'm very tired from working a graveyard shift and don't want to fool with converting from HTML to BBCode tags, I'll just provide a link to my review I made over at wotmania's Other Fantasy section: [url:2imytoug][/url:2imytoug] I will say that I enjoyed it greatly and I just sense that things are about to boil over completely into what should be a very enjoyable mess in TTT. What are the thoughts of others here who've read TWP? view post

posted 20 Jun 2004, 16:06 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

*A few Warrior-Prophet spoilers obviously* I absolutely loved it. The battles were some of the best I've read in a fantasy series and the way Scott handled Achamian's dreams was great. I thought the No-God might end up being hokey or cliched but I was impressed. I read the advance copy a few months ago so refresh my memory here if I am wrong. Was Golgoterath a meteor of some kind that fell from space? I get the impression that the No-God and the Consult's strange powers, rather then from another dimension or something, fell from the sky. Also, the ending left me drooling at the mouth for TTT. The Consult are really nervous about the Dunyain now ;). view post

posted 20 Jun 2004, 23:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

I'll need to re-read that section before I know for sure (I suspect it's because they are from another planet/world, but I'm unsure right now if their powers are the result of a "science" or something else), but I thought it was interesting to learn that the Scylvendi's Dead God apparently is the No-God. This should be very interesting once TTT is published. view post

posted 04 Jul 2004, 15:07 by saintjon, Auditor

Yeah Achamian pointed out as much in the first book. *********SPOILERS******************** What I'm curious about is how is Akka going to act around Kellhus now? He really got a good kick in the teeth as to how full of BS the dunyain is, would he still show him the Gnosis? I for one hope not. If Kellhus had that kind of powe his shortest paths would become about as short as nuclear war. I kind of hated Esmenet at the end but in retrospect it's not her fault she caught the attention of such a viper. Here's a question: How is the Holy War going to handle it when Kellhus reaches shimeh and forsakes them all to consult with a ranking Cishaurim? He could probably pull it off without them knowing but still, what a heartbreak for them. Achamian's my favourite character but Cnaiur is just way too cool. Every fight he gets into he's like a suicidal bull in a china shop. It's hard to picture him without wondering what kind of guy it would take to not be intimidated by his displays. In answer to the earlier question I think Golgotterath was built around the meteor, which brought the Inchoroi (which I'm quite sure is what that big evil thing in the final chapter was) to Earwa. What I really want to know at this point is what the Nonmen actually are??!! Aside from Kellhus I think they're the biggest wild card in the story. view post

posted 04 Jul 2004, 18:07 by Replay, Auditor

The nonmen are from another planet. I think it is in the first book that it is mentioned. Its the part where they are talking about how each star is like their own sun with their own planets around them. Whoever was discussing it said the nonmen told them this, and that the nonmen had sailed to Earwa from one of those planets. Don't remember anything about an asteroid though. All that i can remember is bit at the end of book 2 where the creature says he was brought down from the void. Think there was also mention of a brother. view post

posted 04 Jul 2004, 18:07 by saintjon, Auditor

I thought it was the Inchoroi who were from another planet, and when they showed up they got into it with the nonmen. Gah now I'm all fazuggled. view post

posted 05 Jul 2004, 14:07 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

No I'm pretty sure it was the Nonmen that "sailed" to the Three Sea's planet. The Inchoroi crossed over the Great Northern Mountains of Kayursus from Eanna didn't they? Or was that the first human settlers? Okay, now I am just as confused :). view post

posted 05 Jul 2004, 17:07 by saintjon, Auditor

I feel a re-read coming on as soon as I get the first one back from my cousin :? view post

posted 05 Jul 2004, 19:07 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I thought the nonmen came from another planet, the inchoroi may have come from another planet but are here no longer, and the consult currently is trying to rebuild the inchoroi society with there own aims. view post

posted 05 Jul 2004, 21:07 by legatus, Auditor

From what I can gather, the Nonmen are native to Earwa, while the Inchoroi are the offworlders. And after doing a bried scan of TWP, a discussion between Achamian and Esmenet about the stars would seem to back that up. Here's the relevant passage (selective text from page 99): [quote:29kbcsuq]"Do you think they speak our future, Akka? The stars?" A momentary pause. "No." "Why?" "The Nonmen believe the sky is endlessly empty, an infinite void..." "Empty? How could that be?" "Even more, they think the stars are faraway suns." "How could they believe such a thing?" she asked. "The sun moves in circles about the world. The stars move in circles about the Nail." The thought struck her that the Nail of Heaven itself might be another world, one with a thousand thousand suns. Such a sky that would be! Achamian shrugged. "Supposedly that's what the Inchoroi told them. That they sailed here from stars that were suns."[/quote:29kbcsuq] That exchange seems to indicate that the Nonmen base their understanding of the stars on what they've been told by the Inchoroi, who are the ones that actually arrived from distant stars. If the Nonmen had sailed to Earwa from the stars themselves, they could simply base their knowledge upon firsthand experience rather than Inchoroi hearsay. view post

posted 06 Jul 2004, 05:07 by saintjon, Auditor

*********more spoilers******************* By the by I thought that big beastly thing at the was an Inchoroi. I think Achamian was the one who said that the Consult was trying to rediscover them or follow in their footsteps or some such, but he only has the knowledge of a Mandate Schoolman. Although the Mandate knows more than anyone else about the Consult their knowledge is limited. I don't know, maybe the Consult leaders have just really messed up their own genes or something. Has there been a part yet where a description of bashrags was provided? view post

posted 06 Jul 2004, 05:07 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

I'm pretty sure that Akka says the Consult were humans who ventured into Golgotterath after the Inchoroi were long gone and discovered [i:3k3yfl2l]some[/i:3k3yfl2l] of their secrets. One of those secrets being the ability to shift skins. And yes, that demon dude at the end said he and his brother were the last who descended from the void so they might just be Inchoroi. view post

posted 06 Jul 2004, 07:07 by legatus, Auditor

If I recall correctly, the humans that re-entered Golgotterath after the long years it had remained hidden by a Nonman glamour were members of an old gnostic school who were shown the way by a Nonman sorcerer, though I can't remember the school's name or that of the sorcerer offhand. Apparently, delving into the Tekne / Inchoroi fleshcraft warped them enough to start seeing themselves as Inchoroi successor, and thus the Consult was born. Although I suspect the surviving Inchoroi likely played a role in the warping of the school, albeit from the shadows until they had been sufficiently twisted to accept the brothers readily. Also, I seem to remember Achamian saying that they found many powerful but unfinished Tekne artifacts that hadn't been employed by the Inchoroi in their previous wars with the Nonmen (ie: the No-God). What I wonder, however, is whether the skin spies were another example of these artifacts started but never finished by the Inchoroi or whether the current members of the Consult have mastered the art of fleshcraft to the point where they're able to create wholly original artifacts of their own not based on work started by the Inchoroi. As for the Inchoroi brothers themselves, I get the feeling that the demonic embodiment we see at the end of TWP is merely one of the many forms the brothers are capable of taking. Their original forms, whatever they might've been, have likely been lost to the annals of time. In line with this, I think the other brother is the Synthese, a form he chose so he could watch over the progress of the Holy War. Sarcellus calls the Synthese the "shell" of the Old Father, after all, and he's described as an Inchoroi Prince, so it stands to reason he's the other brother and that their forms are alterable via their fleshcraft. view post

posted 06 Jul 2004, 22:07 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Damn good point. I overlooked the "Old Father". That might explain how the one brother is searching for clues about the Dunyain thousands of miles away from Kellhus and the Apocalypse. His brother, the Synthese, told him through sorcerous means and now he is looking for answers. view post

posted 07 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I concur. I love the label 'the inchoroi brothers' btw. view post

posted 07 Jul 2004, 18:07 by saintjon, Auditor

They are the Inchoroi Brothers, Don't get along with others They'll whine, they'll b!tch They'll screw you if you're rich They may not go down in history But they'll go down on your sister (Indulgences of a NoFX fan, although those last 2 lines seem appropriate to the way they behave in general) view post

posted 09 Aug 2004, 13:08 by JustifiedHeretic, Peralogue

Wow, and to think, I never even got that at all!!!. See i was picture the synthese as yah a consult buddy who had taken that form to better watch and observe the holy war (I got that), but i just did not clue into the fact that it was his brother, the other last Inchoroi, in the North who was trying to get answers from Aeangelas. Looks like im re reading view post

posted 13 Oct 2004, 15:10 by lfex, Peralogue

I finished it at last, and I must say I amvery impressed. As good as TDTCB was, TWP is far better. The ending does seem a liitle bit rushed, but I guess we will be getting more info about what happened in TTT. I can't wait for it (not to mention the second series). view post


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