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Dan Brown posted 25 Jul 2004, 21:07 by Kingslayer, Candidate

Specifically Angels & Demons and The Da Vinci Code. I loved these books. the controversy alone is fun to watch. Books being released almost on a daily basis attempting to refute the things in TDVC. Has anyone read either of these fantastic books? view post


posted 25 Jul 2004, 21:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

No, and I would prefer not to. view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 01:07 by Wil, Head Moderator

Why's that, Grantaire? I read Da Vinci Code, and I liked it a lot, but not really for the writing. I thiught that the things that it talked about were very interesting about the sacred feminine and all that. Because of that I bought some other books on the subject, I was not, however impressed by Brown's writing, seemed a little dry and I hate the end-of-chapter cliffhangers all the time. I would deffinately suggest it for anyone to read, becasue it's so interesting. view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 01:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

It seems like one of those books that is just a book of the moment- that no one will remember it in 5 years. I have more interest in books about my specific interests, such as philosophy, physics, etc. Also, I've heard the writing isn't very good. Not to mention that I still have about 2 dozen books waiting on my desk still to read, plus a list of maybe 100 more recommended to me... :wink: view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 02:07 by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

i loved the Da Vinci Code. i thought it was excellent read it in about 5 days. i havent read his other titles though my mom has. view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 13:07 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

Ive read these two but not read his others. Have to say that I enjoyed them but I read them back before the hype kicked in so I wasnt influenced like some others have been. I did however find that I was trying to figure out the puzzles before the book revealed the answers and was getting quite good at it towards the end. Ive also lent them to my mum, sister and my Grandad, all have enjoyed them so far (although my Grandads only read the first one.) As to the cliff hangers quite enjoyed them, although I can see others points that it does get a little bit annoying with a number of chapters hanging on like this. view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 15:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

It's the hype that I don't like really. view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 22:07 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Yes, but you can't devalue something simply because of excessive value placed on it by others. Take LOTR. With the movies there is now all sorts of hype, but that doesn't demean the original work, merely the people hyping. I haven't read either, though Wil has been trying... view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 22:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

That's true Sovin. Well, it's not just the fact that there's hype about it- simply that like I said, I think it will be a book that no one will remember in 5 years, while there are already so many excellent books from all points of history that I have yet to read, timeless masterpieces. Even if I did add Brown's work to my list of books to read, they would never get read, my list is too damn long as it is :( view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 18:07 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

I can understand about having novels that youd never get round to reading, I have the same problem but I just work on a simple rule, if they cant grab me in 50 pages then its not worth the effort, Ive lost track of the amount of what I would consider crap thats managed to get published, at some point I hope to get one out there but until that day I'll keep reading whats there and formulate opinnions. Thats one thing reading a vast amount of books of different genres does it leads you to think about how you would improve them, this also develops your own writing ability. To give an example the other night I watched the Twilight Zone (the one with the time traveling woman who went back to kill hitler as a baby.) Now this was wrong for a number of reasons, firstly they claimed that she was ideal candidate for the travel due to her genes, then they had her acting as the housekeeper/ nanny for the Hitlers. Now it was wrong due ot Hitler growing up without a father, secondly his fathers name wasnt hitler, that was his mothers maiden name. Anyway at the end of the tale they had the woman jumping off a bridge and drowning herself and the baby. The housemaid then buys a gypsy baby and passes that off as the Hitlers own. Now if I had done that episode I would have had it so that the father killed the mother, caught the timetraveler killing the baby and then made her his wife and she bore the real hitler, changing the dob to the dead childs, that way it would have made more sense with the genes at the beginning and thus offered up questions about who had funded the programme originally. But thats me, I rethought the plot and changed it to how I would have done it but thats due to the amount I read and knowing how I would have liked it to develop. As to Dan Brown he may be a bit of a hit at the moment but I think his novel will lead people to question things a bit more and as such inspire research by the average joe on the street. Due to this I think that its a great novel, it may not stand the test of time but how many books do? view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 18:07 by FuraxVZ, Candidate

I was ready to post my distaste for Brown here, but then I noticed (what I believe to be) your response on the ASoIaF message board: http://p080.ezboard.com/fasoiaffrm7.sho ... 1922.topic While I'm no friend of the Catholic church (like Brown is as he has meet the pope, etc.), I find his views on Catholicism a bit simplistic. As for his writing, it's gimmicky. And as I a fan of Eco, I think [i:36hhx9ko]Foucault's Pendulum[/i:36hhx9ko] a far better book. But perhaps I am guilty of what was posted in that thread: [quote:36hhx9ko]you find someone somewhere that can write better then you and you take his stance 100% becuase your mind cant accept the things you read.[/quote:36hhx9ko] And instead of Brown, I picked Eco. view post


posted 31 Jul 2004, 21:07 by Damaen, Candidate

the best part about the Da Vinci Code is that it is almost entirely plagerized. he completely ripped off another author. if i can find an article about it i'll post it here view post


posted 31 Jul 2004, 23:07 by Kingslayer, Candidate

If it were almost completely plagerized, why is that person, louis Perdue, and the name of the book is Daughter of God.....Why has he not filed suit against Dan Brown? view post


posted 01 Aug 2004, 14:08 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

Lost Louis, lol technically you could list any book as plaguarised as there has always been another out there already with a similar plot line. You have a brother in a murder tale killing his brother and its cain and abel. Tolkiens lord of the Rings has parts of Beowulf in it etc. view post


posted 01 Aug 2004, 21:08 by FuraxVZ, Candidate

[quote="Damaen":1lvjf777]the best part about the Da Vinci Code is that it is almost entirely plagerized. he completely ripped off another author. if i can find an article about it i'll post it here[/quote:1lvjf777] Poor Lewis Perdue. It just goes to show how Fortune is fickle, I guess. :) For those interested, here's some articles: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 5S7JV1.DTL and one from the author himself: http://www.ideaworx.com/daughter-davinci.html view post


posted 14 Aug 2004, 20:08 by Anonymous, Subdidact

Just a suggestion. Read Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Non-Fiction. Deals with subjects of The Da Vinci Code. Listen to Grave. view post


posted 15 Aug 2004, 06:08 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

Ive read quite a few novels on the hidden meanings in the art of a number of artists, as a starter its not a bad book to begin with AJ. view post


posted 19 Aug 2004, 22:08 by Edge, Peralogue

Since I had already read Baigent and Leigh's [i:3k05zk8c] The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail [/i:3k05zk8c] and Umberto Eco's [i:3k05zk8c] Foucault's Pendulum [/i:3k05zk8c] I was not tremendously impressed with [i:3k05zk8c] The Da Vinci Code [/i:3k05zk8c] as it seemed just a rehash of the ideas in the other two books. And there are literally dozens on the same theme out there. I'm a little puzzled as to why Brown's book should cause such a fuss. The ideas in it have been in circulation for centuries. Read a few of the Apocryphal gospels. Maybe Brown is the first to reach mainstream audiences. If I had not read all of the others then maybe it would have impressed me more. view post


posted 19 Aug 2004, 23:08 by Wil, Head Moderator

I was impressed simply because it was interesting information that I had not heard about presented in a simple form. The best way to teach (in my opinion) things that are difficult is through fiction. view post


posted 29 Mar 2006, 02:03 by glaz, Peralogue

i've read both, and id say i liked Angels and Demons better. both novels, IMO, are like a movie in book form. a good, solid, 2-3 hours reading. i'd recommend it to new readers, ar those that really prefer action, but for those veterans of reading good books, i don't think they'd like it. view post


posted 29 Mar 2006, 02:03 by AjDeath, Didact

[quote="drosdelnoch":2zknhr18]Ive read quite a few novels on the hidden meanings in the art of a number of artists, as a starter its not a bad book to begin with AJ.[/quote:2zknhr18]Well then, read The Messiah Legacy. Also non-fiction and by the same authors. Dan Brown and the other author ripped these books off exclusively. I believe there may be legal action taking place now. view post


posted 29 Mar 2006, 04:03 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="AjDeath":1sqq1jlo][quote="drosdelnoch":1sqq1jlo]Ive read quite a few novels on the hidden meanings in the art of a number of artists, as a starter its not a bad book to begin with AJ.[/quote:1sqq1jlo]Well then, read The Messiah Legacy. Also non-fiction and by the same authors. Dan Brown and the other author ripped these books off exclusively. I believe there may be legal action taking place now.[/quote:1sqq1jlo] There is, but Leigh et al are going to lose. They were hardly the first ro posit that theory, definitly not the last, and Dan Brown did write his as fiction. They also have the same publisher, so Leigh et al are just shooting themselves in the foot. I read a few of their books, which were interesting, but the main premise and of the Priory de Sion, etc has been thoroughly debunked. The guy who started it all admitted to it being a hoax. Still a good read, and they do present alot of interesting facts about the early church and history in general. That being said... Dan Brown is a hack and a horrible writer. :) view post


posted 29 Mar 2006, 19:03 by AjDeath, Didact

[quote="Entropic_existence":34j7wmu6][quote="AjDeath":34j7wmu6][quote="drosdelnoch":34j7wmu6]Ive read quite a few novels on the hidden meanings in the art of a number of artists, as a starter its not a bad book to begin with AJ.[/quote:34j7wmu6]Well then, read The Messiah Legacy. Also non-fiction and by the same authors. Dan Brown and the other author ripped these books off exclusively. I believe there may be legal action taking place now.[/quote:34j7wmu6] There is, but Leigh et al are going to lose. They were hardly the first ro posit that theory, definitly not the last, and Dan Brown did write his as fiction. They also have the same publisher, so Leigh et al are just shooting themselves in the foot. I read a few of their books, which were interesting, but the main premise and of the Priory de Sion, etc has been thoroughly debunked. The guy who started it all admitted to it being a hoax. Still a good read, and they do present alot of interesting facts about the early church and history in general. That being said... Dan Brown is a hack and a horrible writer. :)[/quote:34j7wmu6]I agree with all of this. Thing is that the end of messiah Legacy they state that the man behind it had admitted the Priory to be a hoax. Their conclusion was "What the hell is going on?" Very interesting that the whole thing leaves them puzzled too. Whatever else, Dan Brown is a hack. view post


posted 30 Mar 2006, 15:03 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

[quote="AjDeath":2m0mkfjq] Listen to Grave.[/quote:2m0mkfjq] that's just good advice for anything. view post


Dan Brown ain't so bad. posted 31 Mar 2006, 08:03 by Curethan, Didact

I can understand a lot of the frustrations that some people hold regarding Dan Brown's books. When something is so popular and you know there are many, more worthy books that people should appreciate... I myself haven't read it, the story does not appeal to me because I am an Aetheist and have little interest in the story of the new Testament. That doesn't stop me from understanding it's broad appeal; those that both dislike and like the catholic church will find this an interesting notion, the concept of conspiries within ancient clerical societies that hearken back to the very scriptures all Christians revere... Doesn't make it a work of art though. I did read Harry Potter, and they were a cracking good read. Sure, I was reading the Illiad, LOTR and Moorcock when I was a kid, but understand the broad appeal of this series too. I'm just happy that people are still buying books to be honest! After all, you have to read a lot of books before you develop a proper critical language. Then you can tell after the first 50 pages whether or not you will enjoy it. :) view post


posted 01 Apr 2006, 19:04 by Sokar, Auditor

I can't believe that someone reading the Prince of Nothing could actually enjoy Dan Brown.. Surely, there is controversy to the Church's actions, but he justified it. I remember some passage: "Langdon knew that the modern Church would never do something like that any more" describing hiring assassins to kill somebody. I read it, and forgot it. He makes little sense in his storylines: the typical American Dream movie. There is always a bimbo and it turns out perfect. Another fragment: His life is in danger, he is asked by Sofie to run with her and he answers: "Only if you call me Robert!", not Mr. Langdon. ??? She finds her family and they drink soup. Where does he get all of this CRAP! There is a lawsuit against him for the Da Vinci Code, if I understood correctly, it is because he stole the story of the sacred feminine. So his book is useless, in fact it is not even his book. The only thing these books are good for is wasting your time... Ok I admit that the symbology part interested me as well, but that is really that. If you read one of his books, you can forget the others (well I read the two mentioned, but I suppose that the others will have nothing more to add) view post


posted 01 Apr 2006, 19:04 by Sokar, Auditor

Sorry, I see I have been taken over by rage when reading the first post, without actually readign the responses, there is the same conclusion anyway... view post


posted 02 Apr 2006, 02:04 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea I don't think you will find many Dan Brown fans here, the "non-fiction" books he got the story from where much more interesting anyway. They didn't even try and tell a fictional story and were more engaging. Dan Brown is a horrible, horrible write. Which is why he has done well for himself. It's like throwing chum to the masses. view post


posted 01 May 2006, 22:05 by ezekiel1111, Commoner

I -liked- his books (da vinci and angels) but holy bood holy grail was better. I think he had some fortunate timing and released his book when america was ready for a little dirt on the church's face. view post


posted 07 Jun 2006, 10:06 by professor plum, Peralogue

[u:iz25c3oq]The Da Vinci Code[/u:iz25c3oq] was hilariously bad. Well-paced, but then, so are trains right before they wreck. :P My favourite line: “A sea of blue police lights and sirens erupted at the bottom of the hill and began snaking up the half-mile driveway.” Oh dear. Sadly none of those howlers translated into the film adaptation. Whatever you do, don't let anyone drag you along to see it... view post


posted 07 Jun 2006, 12:06 by Curethan, Didact

Ha! view post


posted 20 Jun 2006, 18:06 by Brys, Candidate

I've read the Da Vinci Code, and it was really awful - badly written, ridiculous characterisation and plotting and a poor ending. But surprisingly enough, that was well above my expectations for the book - it wasn't the worst novel I've ever read, it was just one of the worst. Some parts were (unintentionally) hilarious and I found it highly implausible that the characters could really be that stupid and be in the jobs they were in. view post


posted 05 Dec 2006, 16:12 by TheDarkness, Peralogue

I have to disagree with all the dan brown bashing. while i agree that the ideal of the holy grail as mary is not the newest idea, you have to admire the man for realizing the potentiality in the idea, and the possibility that if he got it to the mainstream they would eat it up like hot cakes. and i cant help but notice that no one comments on his other books. all of which i found entertaining to say the least. give them a try you will be suprised! view post


posted 08 Nov 2007, 05:11 by jub, Peralogue

Dan Brown is for idiots. Enough said. view post


posted 30 Dec 2007, 02:12 by zephyr, Candidate

[i:2xq6g61z]The Darkness: and i cant help but notice that no one comments on his other books. all of which i found entertaining to say the least. give them a try you will be suprised![/i:2xq6g61z] Yeah. while i was reading all the posts i also was wondering if anyone was going to say anything about his other works. They were all interesting in their own right. I have to agree with all of you about the not so good writing style of Brown. If you read his other books you will see his style is almost exactly the same. He always puts a ridiculously ludicrous twist right at the end. view post


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