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What would you say are the must-reads of literature? posted 26 Jul 2004, 22:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

As in, books that should be read by everyone at some point, maybe even deserving multiple reads. view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 23:07 by Kingslayer, Candidate

A Song of Ice and Fire Lord of the Rings You MUST read them....or else! view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 23:07 by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

Lord Of The Rings Shakespeare, though we are forced to read it in school it sorta takes away the importance of it. view post


posted 27 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Yeah Orion, I agree that having to read books in school takes away the fun in them. Having to dissect them for a class makes you hate them, whereas if you can just think about it at your own pace, it makes them far more enjoyable. view post


posted 27 Jul 2004, 00:07 by FuraxVZ, Candidate

Darnit, I've lost my list of 'The Ten Books You Have to Read' I made a while back. It was actually a struggle to limit myself to ten and still sample a little of everything. Here's a few off the top of my head (and in no order): Proust's [i:202lu1oz]In Search of Lost Time[/i:202lu1oz] (and I'll cheat and call all books just one) Tolstoy's [i:202lu1oz]War and Peace[/i:202lu1oz] or [i:202lu1oz]Anna Karenina[/i:202lu1oz] (you get to pick whether you like war or romance) Orwell's [i:202lu1oz]1984[/i:202lu1oz] (though I like [i:202lu1oz]Animal Farm[/i:202lu1oz] better) Fitzgerald's [i:202lu1oz]The Great Gatsby[/i:202lu1oz] Gibbon's [i:202lu1oz]Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire[/i:202lu1oz] (not a novel, but great commentary on history. . . beyond just the Romans too.) Then I start thinking of naming lots of Asian masterpieces that no one reads like [i:202lu1oz]The Tale of Genji[/i:202lu1oz] and [i:202lu1oz]The Romance of the Three Kingdoms[/i:202lu1oz], etc. As I said, very difficult to pick what MUST be read; there's so much! view post


posted 27 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Yes, I know Furax, there are so many that can be chosen from. Feel free to say as many as you wish though, don't feel obligated to limit your list :) view post


posted 27 Jul 2004, 20:07 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Personally, I think it's not so important what you get read so long as you read for life and sample diversity. I figrue that way you're bound to get the important ones. :D view post


posted 27 Jul 2004, 20:07 by FuraxVZ, Candidate

[quote="Sovin Nai":2duo0tr4]Personally, I think it's not so important what you get read so long as you read for life and sample diversity. I figrue that way you're bound to get the important ones. :D[/quote:2duo0tr4] Haha :) But as I get older, I am less tolerant of reading crap. :lol: view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 17:07 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I'm not saying you should read everything you pick up. But pick up everything you hear good or controversial things about. view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 21:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Loaded question. In one sense, I'd say nothing is for everyone, but that many things are for many people. But if you were to ask for books that were meaningful for individual people here, I might reply as follows: For religious/cultural purposes, works like the Bible and commentaries on it and other religious texts. Freud's [i:1ynz2s5v]Civilization and Its Discontents[/i:1ynz2s5v], even if I disagree with most of Freud's conclusions. The idea of a Thanatos/Eros duality is interesting. Modris Eksteins, [i:1ynz2s5v]The Rites of Spring[/i:1ynz2s5v], if only to see the outrage that causes among many historians ;) Michel Foucault, [i:1ynz2s5v]Discipline and Punish[/i:1ynz2s5v] - this is my favorite of the many works of his I've read Carlo Ginzburg, [i:1ynz2s5v]The Cheese and the Worms[/i:1ynz2s5v], fascinating microhistory that presages the current battles in cultural history today. Natalie Zemon Davis, [i:1ynz2s5v]The Return of Martin Guerre[/i:1ynz2s5v] - sometimes "reality" is stranger than fiction. E.P. Thompson, [i:1ynz2s5v]The Making of the English Working Class; Customs in Common[/i:1ynz2s5v] - THE founder of modern social history, if any can claim that title. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, [i:1ynz2s5v]The Communist Manifesto[/i:1ynz2s5v] - look for an annotated edition and do not read Stalinism into it, as it's a totally different creature. I'm often sympathetic to Marxism, especially neo-cultural Marxism, so that's a bit of bias to consider (imagine me admitting this elsewhere ;)) And those are a few of the non-fictional texts. I probably can and should name at least a couple hundred of those before even attempting the fictional (damn those categories of writing!). view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 22:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Interesting choices Larry, again, more to add to the stack :D And oh yes, I had a question for you. Are Foucault, Lacan, and Derrida the three *main* writers of postmodernism? What are their most important books (other than Foucault's Archaeology of Knowledge, Lacan's Ecrits, and Derrida's Of Grammatology, because I've gotten them). See, for my school, we have to do something called a "graduation project" to graduate, (they just came up with it this past year, so they don't even have the requirements totally figured out) basically you have to spend 128 hours doing a project on something that showcases your talents or interests, with a tangible product, reflection paper, etc. My curiousity and interest has been rather piqued by the topic of postmodernism, I'm thinking I could use it somehow. *shrugs* I'm the sort of person who would rather write a thesis paper than to do whatever else. Thanks :) view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 22:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

No, I wouldn't call them the three main writers of postmodernism, because that is a field that encompasses most every social science/humanities subject. I would say that they are the three main French writers that helped influence the philosophical/historical elements of post-structuralism/postmodernism, but there's so many more that are more important to their respective fields. But those three are a good enough primer for what I said above. If you're interested in how these techniques have been applied to cultural history, I can see if I can draw up a list for you, but that might take a while. Good luck on that project. view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 23:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Well, it's the history that I'm really interested in. So if they're the driving three French ones, that would likely work. I'm mostly interested both in the evolution of postmodernism over time, and how time changes the opinions of the three. If you could draw up the list, it would be helpful, but don't do it if you're too busy with your paper. view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 23:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

[url:3ix4mxpq]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0394729277/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/104-7409833-3282338?v=glance&s=books&st=*[/url:3ix4mxpq] Buy this, if at all possible. Darnton's book is excellent, as is Natalie Zemon Davis's [i:3ix4mxpq]Fiction in the Archives[/i:3ix4mxpq]. Those are two that come to mind now (and I just placed an order for the Darnton and the two E.P. Thompson books I used to own, but sadly I sold them all for porridge back in the mid-90s. view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 23:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Thanks! They look very interesting, I'll add them to the list :D view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 23:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

I must confess that I'm hesitant to recommend certain books because they pre-suppose an in-depth instruction in historical theory, the type of learning that takes place through learning techniques of critical analysis and how to "read" a text. But hopefully these books won't be too confusing. view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 23:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

An understandable caution. The thing that frustrates me is that that is the kind of thing they [i:1h7o09qw]don't[/i:1h7o09qw] teach us in english class! I think that would be slightly more helpful to me than the sort of things we do. Any books that you can suggest that teach those sort of critical analysis techniques? Most books aren't too confusing to me, as long as I go at an appropriate pace, and take time to think. But I know that the kind of books you're talking about would probably be more difficult than that. Thanks for your help :) view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 23:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Problem is, we were instructed in critical analysis by having a few professors ripping our attempts at critique apart. There's not really any books I read on this, more like I was instructed in this over the course of a couple dozen courses in college. So if you really wanted to learn how to critique texts, you'd have to have someone trained in it such as Scott or myself (depending on what you want to deconstruct) challenge you constantly on how you're interpreting the texts. I just haven't had much time to devote toward doing that with people online, but I was fairly vicious in grad school. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

While I'm thinking of it, got an email address that has some free space? I'll email you a copy of a paper I wrote in grad school that'll illustrate my point. Sadly, when I re-typed it a couple of years ago, I left off the bibliography, but the books are in the footnotes. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Oh. I understand what you mean. Of course, since this is just a high school thing (and they don't even have a passing score, you just have to do it), I think that they would be impressed that I even did a thesis, and would be satisfied with my attempt, rather than ripping it apart (even though the latter would be more helpful of course). And here's the email intelligencepolice@gmail.com (hey, TIP gave it up :wink: ) view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

It's sent. Enjoy. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Thanks, reading through it, very interesting. Read the question I asked you in my response email though please :) view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Already responded. Sigh, reading through that paper brings back memories of weeks of reading 12-16 hours a day through texts in English and German (using the dictionary, of course) and then writing the rough draft over 30 hours in a two-day period. And now I'm doing this craziness again by writing what amounts to a historical critique of fantasy? Weird. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

The even wierder thing is that I'm looking forward to doing things like that. Simply put, high school offers [i:2g3mmtk9]no[/i:2g3mmtk9]challenges, at least yet. I want challenge, so putting myself to a difficult project will be certainly interesting. Did you not like doing all that reading and writing in college and grad school? view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

I liked it, but I was doing so many different things at once that I just depleted a lot of energy. For example, I took 18 hours of classes and here's what they were: German 101 (Beginning) Political Science 355 (Latin American Politics in the 20th Century) Economics 100 (Economic thinkers) History 482 (English Revolution) History 251 (Honors American History) History 330 (Early English History) I had 5 papers and a translation project due in a week's period. I only got 3 hours of sleep over 4 days working on all that during finals period. I was driven home (a 3 hour drive) by a friend, where I promptly went to my bedroom, collapsed on the bed, and did not wake for almost 17 hours. That's how bad it was. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Ouch :( That sounds absolutely crazy- never again will I have grounds to complain about assignments :shock: er..that's the part of grad school that I'm not looking forward to :wink: though I wouldn't mind just skipping the rest of high school :D view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

That was my [i:x92is0of]undergraduate[/i:x92is0of] course load for the first part of my Junior year. My MA classes involved about triple to quadruple the work each semester compared to that. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 00:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Oh. Good lord, that's even more insane. And I thought that doing an hour of math was hell :oops: Well, the good thing is that you learned a lot, and in the long run, that matters more than the amount of work done I suppose. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 01:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

And to think that I used to think that I slacked off in college for only studying/reading texts for only 3-4 hours a day/night rather than the 6-10 hours some would have put into that. It's all a matter of perspective and how you handle things. I pushed myself hard and I guess things turned out okay. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 01:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Yep. Look what it made you today- you're a brilliant history guy. It's all in the perspective. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 01:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Oh, and what would you say is appropriate length for an average thesis paper? view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 01:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

For a thesis? 50-150 pages, double-spaced. I cheated and didn't write a thesis, because I had decided after my first year to take the terminal MA program and then go into education. Otherwise, I would have had to wait 6 months before finishing my MA, because I certainly would have done the thesis in a few months' span, considering the plan was for that paper to be the genesis of what would end up being my dissertation. That's why I see so many holes in it. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 01:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Hrm. Well, I think I can churn out 50 pages :wink: Yeah, I think my dad cheated by doing that too for his Masters. Gotta love dodging stuff like that :) view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 01:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

For myself, it wasn't as much dodging as trying to keep myself relatively sane. Don't regret my decision one bit. I'm much better off working with disadvantaged children than I would have been working as a history professor now. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 01:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Yes, I have to imagine that working as a professor would be a tad bit insane- you don't have to write the papers, you simply have to read and critique hundreds of them. And working with disadvantaged children is really a terrific and worthwhile job. Myself, I got to work for a program called Advocates for the Homeless, where they have workshops for disadvantaged people, to help them get back on their feet. I was basically just taking care of their children, but it was still an interesting experience. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 17:07 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

Its good to see that your using your talents to help kids Gran, will probably look at doing something similar myself although wouldnt mind teaching kids at an early age to enjoy learning, I think thats where most of the problems lie in todays world, if you instill in them early enough a love of learning then I think it would aid them in the future with exams and so forth. view post


posted 01 Aug 2004, 21:08 by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

im not going to college until after next year but do you have to write a thesis regardless of what your majoring in? view post


posted 17 Aug 2004, 22:08 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

Not 100% sure if you have to or not, I had to although I think the whole idea of it is to partly show what you learned over the years of study. Thesis' are normally given a word count rather than a page number, I think mine was around the 20k mark. view post


posted 10 Sep 2004, 20:09 by eowyn1983, Peralogue

Profs. have it pretty good I think. They usually don't mark the papers if there are hundreds of students in the class (e.g. my PSY100 class had around 1200 students & my International Relations class had around 500), they just get the Teaching Assistants to do it. But if the classes are small, then the prof. will usually do the marking. view post


posted 12 Sep 2004, 19:09 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Where are you going? That's crazy. view post


posted 12 Sep 2004, 20:09 by Grantaire, Moderator

I agree, I wouldn't want to go anywhere with classes [i:1orhpyni]that[/i:1orhpyni] large. view post


posted 13 Sep 2004, 01:09 by eowyn1983, Peralogue

I go to the University of Toronto and now I think I've given you the wrong impression about it. Yes, it is the largest university in Canada but at the same time, the classes are almost never that large. Those were just 2 of the classes I've had in the past 2 years there. Moroever, there were introductory courses and to counter those classes we do have seminar lectures that are limited to like 20 people as well as tutorials with 10-20 people. I also should say that those two classes may have been my largest classes but they were also my two favourite classes in my two years at university. The professors really made an effort to get to know the students because of the large class sizes. The psychology professor was so popular and well-known that his lectures were often called "The Marty Wall Show". My international relations prof. made an effort before, after & during class to talk to students personally. And in addition to his office hours we had a class listserv where he would email us with any info. that would be useful to us (quite regularly) & we could email him any questions that we had and he would reply within 24 hours (I personally never had to wait more than 2 hours for a reply). This was all on top of an organized course web page, amazing powerpoint assisted lectures, and really well led tutorials by teaching assistants. He even organized a class trip on his own time to see "The Fog of War" and answered questions afterwards & circulated the pub (about 60 of us went) to talk to all of us after. Large classes can be alienating but it really depends on how you react and handle it. Most of my classes are around 30-40 students, I even have one with only 15 students this year. Sorry about the long post but I can get a little passionate and protective about my school :oops: . I've had an amazing experience so far there and learned so much more than I could have ever imagined. It's a scholarly utopia of sorts. :D view post


posted 14 Sep 2004, 08:09 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

To be honest with you I'd rather have bigger classes with professors who actually cared about thier work than what I had which was classes around 10--15, you ever wanted to find a prof out of lecture time you only could locate them in the pub, with other profs from thier department and then you'd get told to bugger off as they were busy. Then when you tried to make an appointment they didnt turn up and when the work was handed in whinged because you didnt see them about it. When one tried that on me I took my list of appointments along with excuses that had been posted on their door as to why they hadnt turned up. Needless to say I only managed to receive a pass mark for that piece of work although when another professor looked at it they couldnt understand why it was so low. view post


posted 17 Sep 2004, 19:09 by eowyn1983, Peralogue

I can't believe there are profs that unreliable! Don't you do prof. evaluations at the end of the year? Isn't there someone you could appeal the mark to? It sounds like that prof. had a personal grudge against you... :( That's horrible...I know there are profs. like that around but I hope I don't come across any of them.... :? view post


posted 21 Sep 2004, 22:09 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

No didnt get the option, if we had I think all the profs on my course bar one would have been sacked and that one was only a hire in guy as the reg prof was off on some soul searching trip. Still if I were to go back into education I would probably do something with computers as thats the way of the future, the way that my course was done and the fact that it was done in film and media has left me feeling that my degree isnt worth the paper its written on. Never done me any favours in the job market. If I was given a three years course work as a job lot alongside the projects that needed to be written I could probably do it all in around 4 months. Im meticulous with research and can usually argue any of the course pieces from any angle. Ive written work for others doing them in English, Ive written Anglo Saxon papers, Ive even argued the runic alphabet for someone doing part of their degree of ancient studies. view post


posted 27 Dec 2004, 18:12 by Anonymous, Subdidact

Aldarion: Yeah, you put Civilization and Its Discontents on top of your list! Read it, folks, it'll change the way you think and is much more entertaining than reading about penises and yellow wallpaper. Future of An Illusion is a classic as well. Here are a few of my abolsute must-reads (this is so subjective and because of who I am, very Western-centric). The first list I chose for purposes of what, in my humble opinion, you must read to understand the times/context in which most of we Westerners live. The second list is strictly fiction. Non-Fiction (No order) 1. The Bible - Any version (maybe this should be on the fiction list?) 2. The Prince (and then the Discourses) - Machiavelli 3. The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Weber 4. Understanding Media - Marshall McLuhan 5. Feminism Unmodified - Mackinnon 6. The Origin of Species - Darwin 7. The Republic - Plato 8. Interpretation of Dreams - Freud Fiction 1. The Fountainhead - Rand 2. Grapes of Wrath - Steinbeck 3. Lolita - Nabokov (I have the first 2 paragraphs memorized) 4. Everything by Shakespeare (but the comedies are my favorites). Was there a greater Western literary genius? Okay, John Donne was arguably a better poet but Shakespeare was unreal and so prolific. I mean, how many words did the fellow coin? 5. Portnoy's Complaint - Roth 6. The Great Gatsby - Fitzgerald view post


posted 27 Dec 2004, 18:12 by Annabel, Peralogue

Oops. The above post is me, Annabel. I posted without logging on - didn't know you could do that. And, is anyone out there?? This board's slow as molasses. Sorta feel like I'm playing the sandbox by myself. :( view post


posted 28 Dec 2004, 03:12 by AjDeath, Didact

[quote="Annabel":1rvwactq]Oops. The above post is me, Annabel. I posted without logging on - didn't know you could do that. And, is anyone out there?? This board's slow as molasses. Sorta feel like I'm playing the sandbox by myself. :([/quote:1rvwactq]Very slow board. It sucks for me because I mainly post on a BB that is always active and is a very tight knit group of members, this place is just the opposite. I would be here all the time, but no one else is, 'tis a shame. view post


posted 07 Jan 2005, 23:01 by saintjon, Auditor

I didnt' quite expect the list to look like this. The whole university thing isn't really my style... I'd say the Book of Five Rings is worth anyone's time to read though. view post


posted 28 Jan 2005, 20:01 by Annabel, Peralogue

Univeristy approach? view post


posted 05 Sep 2005, 04:09 by Fortey, Commoner

This may be the largest concentration of Freud supporters I've ever come across. I'll give points to Civilization and its Discontents for being an interesting read and far easier to digest than any of Lacan's verbosity but...it's Freud. Maybe it's all his insane conclusions I can't get past. For philosophical kicks I heartily recommend Foucault. I wrote quite a fabulous essay on Foucault and Buffy the Vampire Slayer during my last year at university, it was pretty impressive if I do say so myself. If you have a lot of time and a sharp mind, I'd also try some Derrida. The reason I say time is that misinterpreting Derrida seems to be a job for some people. The word "deconstruction: is part of the lexicon these days and barely anyone can properly define it. Read criticisms of the man's work and you'll see that scholars take completely different meanings out of his writings. He can be rather complicated. Also worth a look is Barthes and Boudrillard. They're nutty fellas they are. Boudrillard and the Matrix go hand in hand. view post


posted 06 Sep 2005, 23:09 by target, Auditor

Barthes is good, so are most of the structuralists though. Need to look into Boudrillard, need to look into most things, never have the time. Oh well, must plod on. view post


Alexandre Dumas posted 06 Jul 2006, 21:07 by thegreenman, Candidate

Everyone should read at lest these two Dumas stories. The Man in the Iron Mask The Three Musketeers view post


Re: Alexandre Dumas posted 06 Jul 2006, 21:07 by Tol h'Eddes, Auditor

[quote="thegreenman":3fltm5g6]Everyone should read at lest these two Dumas stories. The Man in the Iron Mask The Three Musketeers[/quote:3fltm5g6] I agree ! And Twenty years after, sequel to the Three Musketeers. I would also recommend The Cursed Kings (Les rois maudits) by Maurice Druon. Good Reading ! view post


posted 25 Jul 2006, 03:07 by Angrion, Commoner

Here are my top books (excluding the Prince of Nothing series) 1-Myst, Book of Atrus 2-Jurrasic Park (yes, the book is well worth the read) 3-Otherland: City of Golden Shadows 4-100 years of Solitude Those are all I can think of during this our of late :P view post


posted 01 Aug 2006, 15:08 by Ismellofhockey, Commoner

I'll try and keep my list to Fantasy/"cap et épée" novels, I think it gets too crowded if every category is included. No order: Lord of the Rings (The Hobbit & everything else) Les rois maudits Le comte de Monte Cristo Les trois Mousquetaires (20 ans après, Le vi-comte de Bragelonne... I think they recently published a lost work of his too.) The Dragonlance Chronicles and Chronicles of Narnia deserve mention for younger readers. view post


posted 02 Aug 2006, 14:08 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

[quote="Ismellofhockey":2uun0gm9]The Dragonlance Chronicles and Chronicles of Narnia deserve mention for younger readers.[/quote:2uun0gm9] younger! bah! i'm reading the dragonlance chronicles right now.. :lol: view post


posted 04 Aug 2006, 14:08 by Ismellofhockey, Commoner

perhaps I should have defined younger but on second thought I'll refrain from doing that and just say I really enjoyed those books, they can be read at any age but like the Hobbit they seemed (to me at least) aimed at a younger audiance. But I re-read the Hobbit last year and still enjoyed it very much. view post


posted 04 Aug 2006, 16:08 by alhana, Auditor

I believe that C.S. Lewis's Narnia books were written for his step-son Douglas, who ended up backing the Disney release of the movie last Christmas. They were indeed aimed at children, but they endure as loved by adults as well. U.S. children might have some difficulty as a good portion of the books have references to words and phrases used in the UK. Tolkien, on the other hand, is very complex story. [i:ob24f235]The Hobbit[/i:ob24f235] is the easiest of all to read, but all of them still have detailed discourses and poems and other elements that might be a little challenging for some students younger than 14. When one begins to study the other books of history and lanuages that Tolkien used in his work, there is a much broader base of information to read and disseminate. Again, I believe that Tolkien appeals to readers of all ages and can be enjoyed over and over as one learns about the world that he created. It strikes me that few books written today are both appealing to children and adults. The closest thing I have seen would be Rawling's [i:ob24f235]Harry Potter[/i:ob24f235] series. While a lot of folks have ranckled that her writing is too simple and her series is not to be taken seriously by adults, I disagree. I have read all 6 of her books along with my young reader and after Book 4 [i:ob24f235]Goblet of Fire[/i:ob24f235], the series became decidedly more mature. Like Lewis, her books are aimed at young readers, but have elementals of grief and lose and falling in love and overcoming great challenges that appeals to adults. The best thing that has come out of this series is that kids are engrossed in a really good book and are reading again. The last two summers that she released books, the hospitals in certain neighborhoods in England reported almost a 100% drop in "kid" related ER visits the weekends before and after her book was released! The kids were all inside reading!!!!! Not exactly "hard evidence" but it does seem that a good book can still transport even the minds of a generation that has grown up on Ninetendo and Xbox. view post


posted 04 Aug 2006, 17:08 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

i just like kids books. view post


posted 04 Aug 2006, 22:08 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

Vellum by Hal Duncan City of Saints and Madmen by Jeff VanderMeer Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy view post


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