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Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 29 Jul 2004, 22:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

A reader at wotmania posted this, but I don't know the source (was it an email mail list thing?) Read and be amazed: [i:2sqk5822]Readers are rare people. I feel a special connection with them. I try always to do my best for them; I try to write the truth. Fantasy allows me this. The Sword of Truth is a cry of defiance into the descending storm of tyranny. It is a cry for this very special group of people-people able to understand: readers. My study of history has taught me that no civilization can endure the kind of self-indulgent destruction of social fabric and family structure we are witnessing. Sooner or later an enemy will come, as they always do, and they will be ruthless. They will hold a blade to our throats. They will pillage and murder and rape us because we have failed to value the hard won gift of freedom and to honor our responsibility to preserve the flame of its true meaning. As Richard says, anarchy wears the robes of tolerance and understanding. And you still think I write fantasy? The barbarians are at the gate, my friends, and they are us. [/i:2sqk5822] The thought that I've been raping Goodkind because I disagree vehemently with his politics makes me rather nauseous ;) view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 22:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

"I try to write the truth. Fantasy allows me this." All I can say to that is...wow. :roll: view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 22:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Actually, I don't disagree that much with that particular comment. "Truth" can be as easily revealed in what we now call myth or fantasy as in non-fiction. It's all in the Readings we engage in. But I doubt Goodkind was thinking of that ;) view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 22:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Yes I know but...I found that silly enough, and the rest of his comments are...pompous? shall I say. view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 22:07 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Pompously masochistic might fit even better, since I suspect he enjoys receiving harsh criticism, using it as justification for his comments. view post


posted 29 Jul 2004, 23:07 by Grantaire, Moderator

Heh. I can definately see what you mean about him not being a very pleasant person. I won't be reading his books anytime soon. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 05:07 by saintjon, Auditor

I love how he treats the genre like a pair of flipflops. One sentence he's writing fantasy the next he ain't. I've heard he's cool in public but I could care less having read some of the garbage he spouts online. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 14:07 by FuraxVZ, Candidate

Every time I read quotes from him, I'm shocked on how Randian they sound. His faith to Ayn Rand is obsessive. Anyway, I guess I can agree that fantasy writers try to write more relevant themes than just swords and sorcery. Sure. Of course, his doom-and-gloom predictions of our 'civilization' cannot endure 'the kind of self-indulgent destruction of social fabric and family structure we are witnessing' from his 'study of history' sounds ridiculous. And I thought the title of the post had more to do with his rape fantasy he writes in his books; again, like Rand, he has some skewed ideas of love and romance and sexual relations. As for his books, I gave up long ago, even before he became a born-again Objectivist. Just poorly written and trite. view post


posted 30 Jul 2004, 17:07 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

To be honest with you I thought that he started off promising but in the later books it seemed to be more of a way of spouting off his philosphy and to that end I won't forgive an author. If you wish to write a philosophical book do that just dont disguise it. If I get the chance I may go to one of his signings but other than that I wont read an interveiw with him due to his long winded answers that just promote ego. view post


posted 01 Aug 2004, 21:08 by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

I just finished Naked Empire.... it was alright i guess... idk. but the first two books where fantasy... or so they seemed. after those though it was all Social and Politcal and it got kinda boring... He should do a book more like Wizards First Rule, as that was by far the best one in the whole series. regardless of what he feels or thinks, which i wouldnt take a shit for, im still gonna read the rest of the books he puts out. i dont want to just read 8 books and then ignore the rest of the series. view post


posted 01 Aug 2004, 21:08 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Luckily for you, Goodkind has recently announced there will be a trilogy that will close out the SoT series, called [i:1bznrvfh]Chainfire[/i:1bznrvfh], the first of which will be published in early 2005. view post


posted 02 Aug 2004, 03:08 by Taliesin, Peralogue

Yeah, can't have any of that toleration business.... and, understand others? They're obviously wrong, so why bother understanding? If only the world could be so simple for us all :wink: view post


posted 03 Aug 2004, 16:08 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I enjoyed the first few books when I read them in middle school, but I tried to reread them a couple of years ago and couldn't. Quite frankly, his writing is shit, imo. At that point I just said screw it, and haven't looked back. view post


posted 04 Aug 2004, 03:08 by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

if Chainfire is the last book than awsome. i dont feel like reading a million books that lead nowhere like his seem to. at least now i REALLY concentrate on TDTCB view post


posted 01 Sep 2004, 09:09 by Andrew, Peralogue

"anarchy wears the robes of tolerance and understanding" Actually i can buy that comment. I've been in a university for the last 6 years. Anyone who doesn't believe that mantra's of "tolerance" can lead to the utmost intolerant and oppressive atmosphere should take a close look at their local university. Or just read recent news from Concordia university. In terms of Goodkind's comments on history, i think he is generally correct in the sense that historically one can very often see a tipping point in the lifecycle of a nation or empire or whatever, which point often revolves around a rejection of the system, moral or philosophical, that enabled the initial sucesses of the nation. Don't believe our society may be at that tipping point? then what do you think the election in the U.S. is all about? I doubt there has been a point in American history when the electorate was so fundamentally divided. Even during the Civil War I would suggest the two sides were fundamentally far more similar than the two sides of the Bush/Kerry camp. I do agree about the quality of his writing, and his story though. I can't stand Goodkinds' writing since the third book in the series. view post


posted 02 Sep 2004, 16:09 by Scarred, Candidate

Ah, I really enjoyed his stuff for a while, though I definitly agree taht he should quit using his books as a vehicle for his beliefs, its most irritating when every book spouts the same stuff. Especially the 7th and 8th ones, ugh. I thought that the first 2 books, and maybe the 6th were quite good though, nice and simple. view post


posted 02 Sep 2004, 22:09 by AjDeath, Didact

I enjoyed his works up to and including Faith Of The Fallen. The last two books were just too much for me, it seems that nothing is really happening in them, if you know what I mean. view post


posted 03 Sep 2004, 01:09 by Scarred, Candidate

^^^Yeah, effective those two ended up with everyone in pretty much the same positio they were in after Faith of The Fallen. "Zedd is cpatured from tower, escapes back into tower. Richards gift actsup, oops it doesnt anymore." What a waste view post


posted 12 Sep 2004, 18:09 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I still maintain that his writing is severely deficient, which keeps me from even reaching the story. view post


posted 14 Sep 2004, 08:09 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

I know what you mean, I try every so often to read one of his books but the self styled idioms hidden within just begin to really bore me and it goes back to one side for another time. Will probably finish one of his novels somewhere around 2010 view post


posted 15 Sep 2004, 00:09 by AjDeath, Didact

[quote="drosdelnoch":10jjkcqi]I know what you mean, I try every so often to read one of his books but the self styled idioms hidden within just begin to really bore me and it goes back to one side for another time. Will probably finish one of his novels somewhere around 2010[/quote:10jjkcqi] :LOL: I have read some horrible chum in my day. Goodkind may not be the best writer, or not even very enjoyable (at least now0 but I have read way worse. view post


posted 13 Dec 2004, 20:12 by Fell, Peralogue

[quote:2bukuvus]we have failed to value the hard won gift of freedom and to honor our responsibility to preserve the flame of its true meaning[/quote:2bukuvus] I agree with him here, and forgive me because this is my first post on this board. We have grown gluttonous in many ways and I do see it as a sort of abuse of our freedomes. Definitely a vulgar hedonism that has permeated our society. Our forefathers fought hard and died so we could live in a world devoid of threat. Unfortunately, they could never have foreseen how lazy many of us would've become in our physical, mental, and spiritual lives. And as we revel in the façade of our self-perceived worth, we lack worldly experience and consequently, we see this fissure between middle-class America (and by America, I mean the United States of Canada), and the rest of the globe. In place of real strife and turmoil to present opportunities to grow from, the youth of today create subcultures based on media myths and adopt pains and sufferings, that which they place sooo much value, i.e. how much goths suffer, how much jocks abuse or are alien to sexuality in their stature of perfect [i:2bukuvus]Maxim[/i:2bukuvus] magazine masculinity, how punk has become the blink-182 posterboys of what was once a movement rooted in art rebel groups like the Situationists, or how skateboarding was once an underground hobby for outcasts and is now the new yuppie style amongst suburban teenagers. We take for granted the life we've been granted by those that died to protect our freedoms and for what? So we can play make-up with difficulties and hardships which only hold power because we provide them with the strength to topple us. Our lives are not hard, we've lost much sense of contrast and comparison. And it wouldn't be so bad if we weren't policing the world, or threatening others that don't fall in line with current protocol, but we throw our weight around in situations we can't even begin to comprehend and insult countless cultures by pre-judgeing and claiming we're right, have always been right, and will always be right. We're not right, nor are we wrong, but it's the attitude that will foster the enemies around the globe which will eventually strike back. As we foster barbarian views of them, they, like North America, will always have their aggressors who will slowly turn all of their ideas of hate and stife upon us. And while our youth brood over Marilyn Manson, the lack of NHL on tv this season, and the new pair of Etnies, working overtime, holiday shopping, et cetera, the world worries about what random act of terror we'll enact upon them. view post


posted 14 Dec 2004, 05:12 by saintjon, Auditor

Well said! Unfortunately for Mr. Goodkind although you agree with his sentence the body of your post seems to be the opposite of the kind action he encourages. Isn't he all about deciding what's right and acting on it? view post


posted 16 Dec 2004, 18:12 by Fell, Peralogue

[quote="saintjon":28bg6upe]Well said! Unfortunately for Mr. Goodkind although you agree with his sentence the body of your post seems to be the opposite of the kind action he encourages. Isn't he all about deciding what's right and acting on it?[/quote:28bg6upe] Hey saintjon, I'd have to give Goodking the benefit of the doubt here and say that he's, in fact, supporting the idea that we need to take action against ourselves. We abuse our freedoms by eschewing the moral hardships we endured to attain it, and subsequently we impose our worst characteristics onto others. Consumerism, Christianity, Hollywood, disposable-everything, our views, our ways. I think Goodkind is imploring us to take action on ourselves. But maybe I am misinterpreting him? view post


posted 17 Dec 2004, 05:12 by saintjon, Auditor

well that was the impression I got from the few interviews and comments and things of his I've read. Have yet to check out his books. view post


posted 17 Dec 2004, 18:12 by Fell, Peralogue

To be honest, I've not read his works either, but all of my friends that have read [i:1632ln1o]The Sword of Truth[/i:1632ln1o] have said good about it. Bakker being my first foray into fantasy, I wanna check out Steven Erikson and Gene Wolfe next year. Years ago I even tried reading [i:1632ln1o]LOTR[/i:1632ln1o] and couldn't get into the first book. view post


posted 19 Dec 2004, 04:12 by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

if you decide to read The Sword Of Truth, just know that the first book is the best. and it declines from there. Im looking foward to Chainfire just so i can be done with the series. hahaha view post


posted 19 Dec 2004, 19:12 by AjDeath, Didact

[quote="Orion_metalhead":1dzm8nhq]if you decide to read The Sword Of Truth, just know that the first book is the best. and it declines from there. Im looking foward to Chainfire just so i can be done with the series. hahaha[/quote:1dzm8nhq]Same here, I am pretty sick of the story at this point. view post


posted 09 Jan 2005, 05:01 by AjDeath, Didact

Just bought Chainfire, but it will have to wait about a half of a year as I have too many books in line before that one. view post


Oh, mystar... posted 05 Jun 2006, 16:06 by Anonymous, Subdidact

héhéhé. I recently created a false account on terry goodkind's forum and used it to pm mystar to congradulate him on his crusade against the intelligent part of the world (in different wording), just to see what reaction I'd get in return. He didn't let me down: [quote:2bp6kkkr] Thank you for your kind words. Just remember these people are decidedly not open to seeing truth, thye just want to belittle and ridicule..."school yard Bullies". With such close minds these people will not have any understanding. My point in even responding at all [at the Mazalan forums] was to ferret out a troll, who poses here and on my site www.terrygoodkind.net and to simply stir the pot, showing them that we know who there are and it is honestly a simple handful. They switch back and forth from board to board becasue they feel it is funny. Yet they cannot stand for any fan to "be" just that a fan. What we see here are a few people that have taken it more than a step further and shown the true callowness of their character. They show us the void of their existence that they are not simply "poking fun" but rather are unmasked by Goodkind so they have no choice but to run around attacking, doing their best to try and belittle anyone who reads Goodkind's work. This kind of behavior not only suggest that Goodkind has more than struck a nerve but that it has shown the fact that they are just a bunch of bully’s. These are the same kinds of antagonistic and belligerent children who find what they think is a target and attack. Now these people show their true character not just by attacking the material, but also the people who offer up good words or simply they liked the series. Someone offers up "I liked the series" and off they go attacking this person, then puking forth some week point about "he's arrogant", or "His prose" is really bad" or even "how can anyone read him". Week indeed. To go to the lengths to make sure they hit as many boards as possible Adam et al. show themselves to be devoid of character. SO someone likes Goodkind? So what? Some have found that within Goodkind's novels, is something more than just a story. They see a deeper meaning. They see a story of strength and of courage. Most see a story about the struggle with life and from it they find hope!. They find strength! and they find courage! Many simply find a good story to entertain them. But the former...yes these are what scare people like Adam here...over zealous people who hate that anyone read Goodkind, then cannot let it go with out doing the best to drag down, mutilate and or simply pummel these people to death. And for what? Simply this, they have shown why, they cannot stand that someone has found something they either could not, and/or that someone could rise above and be something better. They rail that Goodkind an unknown has violated their sacred world with things like, Truth, Integrity, Ethics and a hero who refuses to bow to the enemy even to save his own skin. One may not like the way Goodkind writes. So what? That simply doesn't cause such shallow people to behave in a manor like these zealots do. One may not care for the characters in Goodkind’s story. So what? Then move along... Unless as I stated, Goodkind has exposed the true nature of these sour people causing such a caustic behavior. One may well feel Goodkind is an over paid nar-do-well. Again so what? The truth is in the fact that Goodkind started with a story they read and liked (now a few will try and spew that they never liked them). Then as time and story progressed, they found themselves not liking they story line offering up such things as "too preachy", "to much philosophy", "he needs to kill of a main character" or such things. In short...they didn't like the track the story was taking. The story is Goodkind’s to tell, not theirs, and that rankles them to no end. They cannot get at Goodkind, so the next target is to try and ridicule and berate those whom they can get to...his fans. Shallow indeed. No doubt now will ensue their rage and tirade of vitriolic denials, attempting to twist it around with all kinds of trenchant comments and rebuffs... But, the cat is out of the bag and they have been exposed. The truth behind their mordent refrains is all too clear.[/quote:2bp6kkkr] Honestly, you can't make this up. :roll: The reason I used this board to share this (opposed to, say, mazalan) is because I don't have to log in in order to post, and because I don't participate on forums. It's too much fun to look at it from a distance. Using the guest profile is abusing the system, and perhaps some psychiatrists may detect insecurity in this; perhaps a tendency towards asocial-behaviour -they are 100% correct-, but hey, at least the admins don't have to delete my account here. :) Mystar, if you read this: you're free to delete that account. And don't bother spamming me or sending me hate mail: it was a throwaway email adress I plan never to use again. view post


posted 05 Jun 2006, 23:06 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

One can never get enough Goodkind. :P view post


posted 06 Jun 2006, 05:06 by Anonymous, Subdidact

That is the exact tirade he uses over at the Chronicles site. lol http://www.chronicles-network.com/forum ... ind-4.html As I stated on that thread, I would really like to meet the man that seems to create fans like that. view post


posted 11 Jun 2006, 13:06 by Anonymous, Subdidact

mystar deserves to burn in a fiery hell for all eternity and have his balls picked like little cherries by the whore of fate after which she eats them kinda like what happens in goodkind's perverse and fluffy books. view post


Re: Oh, mystar... posted 13 Jun 2006, 04:06 by mystar, Subdidact

[quote="Anonymous":2qhq3bib]héhéhé. I recently created a false account on terry goodkind's forum and used it to pm mystar to congradulate him on his crusade against the intelligent part of the world (in different wording), just to see what reaction I'd get in return. He didn't let me down: [quote:2qhq3bib] Thank you for your kind words. Just remember these people are decidedly not open to seeing truth, thye just want to belittle and ridicule..."school yard Bullies". With such close minds these people will not have any understanding. My point in even responding at all [at the Mazalan forums] was to ferret out a troll, who poses here and on my site www.terrygoodkind.net and to simply stir the pot, showing them that we know who there are and it is honestly a simple handful. They switch back and forth from board to board becasue they feel it is funny. Yet they cannot stand for any fan to "be" just that a fan. What we see here are a few people that have taken it more than a step further and shown the true callowness of their character. They show us the void of their existence that they are not simply "poking fun" but rather are unmasked by Goodkind so they have no choice but to run around attacking, doing their best to try and belittle anyone who reads Goodkind's work. This kind of behavior not only suggest that Goodkind has more than struck a nerve but that it has shown the fact that they are just a bunch of bully’s. These are the same kinds of antagonistic and belligerent children who find what they think is a target and attack. Now these people show their true character not just by attacking the material, but also the people who offer up good words or simply they liked the series. Someone offers up "I liked the series" and off they go attacking this person, then puking forth some week point about "he's arrogant", or "His prose" is really bad" or even "how can anyone read him". Week indeed. To go to the lengths to make sure they hit as many boards as possible Adam et al. show themselves to be devoid of character. SO someone likes Goodkind? So what? Some have found that within Goodkind's novels, is something more than just a story. They see a deeper meaning. They see a story of strength and of courage. Most see a story about the struggle with life and from it they find hope!. They find strength! and they find courage! Many simply find a good story to entertain them. But the former...yes these are what scare people like Adam here...over zealous people who hate that anyone read Goodkind, then cannot let it go with out doing the best to drag down, mutilate and or simply pummel these people to death. And for what? Simply this, they have shown why, they cannot stand that someone has found something they either could not, and/or that someone could rise above and be something better. They rail that Goodkind an unknown has violated their sacred world with things like, Truth, Integrity, Ethics and a hero who refuses to bow to the enemy even to save his own skin. One may not like the way Goodkind writes. So what? That simply doesn't cause such shallow people to behave in a manor like these zealots do. One may not care for the characters in Goodkind’s story. So what? Then move along... Unless as I stated, Goodkind has exposed the true nature of these sour people causing such a caustic behavior. One may well feel Goodkind is an over paid nar-do-well. Again so what? The truth is in the fact that Goodkind started with a story they read and liked (now a few will try and spew that they never liked them). Then as time and story progressed, they found themselves not liking they story line offering up such things as "too preachy", "to much philosophy", "he needs to kill of a main character" or such things. In short...they didn't like the track the story was taking. The story is Goodkind’s to tell, not theirs, and that rankles them to no end. They cannot get at Goodkind, so the next target is to try and ridicule and berate those whom they can get to...his fans. Shallow indeed. No doubt now will ensue their rage and tirade of vitriolic denials, attempting to twist it around with all kinds of trenchant comments and rebuffs... But, the cat is out of the bag and they have been exposed. The truth behind their mordent refrains is all too clear.[/quote:2qhq3bib] Honestly, you can't make this up. :roll: The reason I used this board to share this (opposed to, say, mazalan) is because I don't have to log in in order to post, and because I don't participate on forums. It's too much fun to look at it from a distance. Using the guest profile is abusing the system, and perhaps some psychiatrists may detect insecurity in this; perhaps a tendency towards asocial-behaviour -they are 100% correct-, but hey, at least the admins don't have to delete my account here. :) Mystar, if you read this: you're free to delete that account. And don't bother spamming me or sending me hate mail: it was a throwaway email adress I plan never to use again.[/quote:2qhq3bib] :lol: What you didn't think I knew who you were to start with? Please, you were rather transparent with your inane leading questions. Thus the use of Adam's name, but I digress... The truth of the matter is, Goodkind is selling more and more. His backlist has to date some more than 60 million. Don't like it...sorry but your petty tirades do more to cause people to take notice and read Goodkind than cause people to turn away. While some may not care for his style, personality or "prose", you simply cannot argue with the fact that Goodkind is a success. Ten million for his last three books, which includes the soon to be released "Phantom" but not book number 11 (untitled). Book number 11 was sold for an undisclosed amount over and above the ten million figure. Please note that with book number 11...the "current" story arc will close. That does not mean the end of the world or characters Goodkind has created, just the current story arc. While I've not yet read anything Bakker has written, I doubt I shall. With people like you who are so lacking a life you have nothing better to do what to spout off your petty and trite "we can't stand Goodkind because....." and then attempting to drag other writers like Bakker into your delusion is well... just sad. I've read Bakkers comments... perhaps you missed the point where Bakker [i:2qhq3bib]didn't[/i:2qhq3bib] join in the bashing fest, just made a comment with regard to it, the same with GRRM. From what I read both seem to be well spoken people, and seemingly above your petty childish school yard bullying. To wit, just because someone doesn't join in and add his/her own vitriol to the fray (and lets be honest here, it is not Goodkind's fan who are the acidic ones), doesn't mean that they agree, just that they are kind enough to not embarrass you by telling what gits you are. "burn in hell".... sorry I think not.... view post


posted 13 Jun 2006, 04:06 by mystar, Subdidact

[quote="Anonymous":1vtsuvh6]That is the exact tirade he uses over at the Chronicles site. lol http://www.chronicles-network.com/forum ... ind-4.html As I stated on that thread, I would really like to meet the man that seems to create fans like that.[/quote:1vtsuvh6] I can arrange that...but then you would decline, as it would force you to realize that these petty buffoons have no idea what they are talking about then having maligned Goodkind as an arrogant egomaniac with no prose.…. No that would be to great a blow to find out that what you are reading is only conjecture by these turgid and antagonistic thugs. You don’t like him? So what? Dude, not everyone is going to like everything or every one out there. So instead of acting like civilized adults, mature “rational” thinking people…you go off On some type of “road rage” type of action….lol… bashing the hell outta something you refuse to see some truths in… [i:1vtsuvh6]Dude[/i:1vtsuvh6] that says a lot about the personalities….er.. or I meant to say, lack there of…., of the people doing that kind of thing. But like I said, I could arrange that... view post


posted 13 Jun 2006, 06:06 by Curethan, Didact

Meh, perverse characters shaped to titilate varied fetishes. Simplified versions of good/evil, social inequity and truth. Contrived situations that offer childish solutions to simplified and unrealistic examples of personal and social maliase. I understand why that is so popular, same reason as "Desperate Housewives", "McDonalds" and global capitalist policy.... but that doesn't mean it's good for you. Goodkind is harmless, doesn't suit my taste, but it does exactly what it sets out to do - make Goodkind rich. It is really funny to see people like the above two posters waging thier idealogical war through cyberspace. The only thing sillier that "mystar" defending the series with religous fervour is the guy who rags it anonymously. Why bother? "Oh no, someone's got a sense of community and self importance out of something they enjoy - STOP THEM!!!" God-damn nazi. view post


posted 13 Jun 2006, 16:06 by Anonymous, Subdidact

[quote="mystar":20l80f6s][quote="Anonymous":20l80f6s]That is the exact tirade he uses over at the Chronicles site. lol http://www.chronicles-network.com/forum ... ind-4.html As I stated on that thread, I would really like to meet the man that seems to create fans like that.[/quote:20l80f6s] I can arrange that...but then you would decline, as it would force you to realize that these petty buffoons have no idea what they are talking about then having maligned Goodkind as an arrogant egomaniac with no prose.…. No that would be to great a blow to find out that what you are reading is only conjecture by these turgid and antagonistic thugs. You don’t like him? So what? Dude, not everyone is going to like everything or every one out there. So instead of acting like civilized adults, mature “rational” thinking people…you go off On some type of “road rage” type of action….lol… bashing the hell outta something you refuse to see some truths in… [i:20l80f6s]Dude[/i:20l80f6s] that says a lot about the personalities….er.. or I meant to say, lack there of…., of the people doing that kind of thing. But like I said, I could arrange that...[/quote:20l80f6s] Just thought I'd respond to this. I don't know Goodkind personally, and I have never made any comments that suggest I do. I have made fun of a few comments he has made that were questionable IMO, but that's it. None of the people that "malign" Goodkind know the man either, so I take their opinions with a grain of salt. If anything, I'm more of a casual observer of the whole Goodkind phenomenon that seems to be occurring right now. As I stated in that thread, I enjoyed his first two books. Hell, I even own them, but I didn't care for some of the following books, which is why I haven't read anything by him recently. One more thing. I have never went on a "road rage type of action" in regards to Goodkind. And, yes, I would like to meet the man, along with several other authors, including Mr. Bakker. :) view post


posted 13 Jun 2006, 16:06 by Lunatic, Commoner

Ack....that last post was by me. I forgot to log in. view post


posted 13 Jun 2006, 20:06 by Harrol, Moderator

One thing that I would like to add is there are a lot of critics on the board, which is not a bad thing. Not as an attack on what Mystar stated about the people on this board attacking Mr. Goodkind is not really true. I write that because there are 740 registered members and only a handful have actually said anything bad about Mr. Goodkind and some people even defended him to some extent. Personally I have read the series all the way to The Pillars of Creation. Pretty soon I will pick up the series and finish it because I have come to far not to. If you enjoy the series great if not great. view post


posted 13 Jun 2006, 21:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

It's very surreal seeing a post I started two years ago being revived in such a manner. Very surreal indeed. But time to have a bit of 'fun' with this, I suppose... The first rule of the Bon Ton Society is that you don't mention your money. It could be 10 million dollars or 10 million 1923 Reichmarks for all I care, but the money means nothing. Hell, [i:3gbx4qjq]Titanic[/i:3gbx4qjq] made over a billion dollars worldwide, yet who goes around praising [i:3gbx4qjq]that[/i:3gbx4qjq]? So there's a lot of people who enjoy Goodkind's stuff. Fine. There's millions more that enjoy Scheiße porn. More power to them. Scratch the surface deep enough and there are fans of furry bondage, child beating/rape, and Satanism, just to name a few. But people enjoy these activities. Others do not. Cajoling is a time-honored way of curbing certain behaviors. Some like to join in, others hate it. Some cheer for the guys in the white hats, others for those in black. Defending someone is okay in certain situations, strange to bad in others. So what if people mock and deride Goodkind? I mock and deride N'Sync and the Backdoor(err, Backstreet) Boys. But I don't see fanatics of theirs logging on to multiple sites just to argue with them. At a certain point, just shrug and [b:3gbx4qjq]let it go[/b:3gbx4qjq]. So what if people get their jollies from ridiculing the writing and ideas of Goodkind? How does that affect [i:3gbx4qjq]you[/i:3gbx4qjq], how does it keep [i:3gbx4qjq]you[/i:3gbx4qjq] from enjoying his works? All this crossboard posting does is paint a big target on your back, allowing for the derisive people to go 'oh look, mystar is over at [so-and-so], what a moron!'. What's next? Are you going to come to other sites that you've yet to post at, so you can defend Goodkind/attack the mockers? Why not head to wotmania? I mean I'm an Admin there for its Other Fantasy section and I make the occasional post about the statements Goodkind has made. Or why not head to the Other Authors section of Neil Gaiman's official site, because some there in the past have made comments about Goodkind's work? I mean, you managed to come here because of [i:3gbx4qjq]one[/i:3gbx4qjq] person, and Bakker isn't as much (yet) of a household name as a Robert Jordan or Neil Gaiman. Why go to such trouble? Just let the mockers have their fun and you have yours over at your site. Maybe the twain don't need to meet. It probably would be for the best that way. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 00:06 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Its very fun to read both mystar"s responses and other board members. Ive had my entertainment for the day. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 04:06 by mystar, Subdidact

[quote="Aldarion":3pjwdmz9]It's very surreal seeing a post I started two years ago being revived in such a manner. Very surreal indeed. But time to have a bit of 'fun' with this, I suppose... The first rule of the Bon Ton Society is that you don't mention your money. It could be 10 million dollars or 10 million 1923 Reichmarks for all I care, but the money means nothing. Hell, [i:3pjwdmz9]Titanic[/i:3pjwdmz9] made over a billion dollars worldwide, yet who goes around praising [i:3pjwdmz9]that[/i:3pjwdmz9]? So there's a lot of people who enjoy Goodkind's stuff. Fine. There's millions more that enjoy Scheiße porn. More power to them. Scratch the surface deep enough and there are fans of furry bondage, child beating/rape, and Satanism, just to name a few. But people enjoy these activities. Others do not. Cajoling is a time-honored way of curbing certain behaviors. Some like to join in, others hate it. Some cheer for the guys in the white hats, others for those in black. Defending someone is okay in certain situations, strange to bad in others. So what if people mock and deride Goodkind? [color=yellow:3pjwdmz9] I could care less about what people do or do not mock, Goodkind included. I simply point out your impotence and lack of character) [/color:3pjwdmz9]I mock and deride N'Sync and the Backdoor(err, Backstreet) Boys. But I don't see fanatics of theirs logging on to multiple sites just to argue with them. At a certain point, just shrug and [b:3pjwdmz9]let it go[/b:3pjwdmz9]. So what if people get their jollies from ridiculing the writing and ideas of Goodkind? How does that affect [i:3pjwdmz9]you[/i:3pjwdmz9], how does it keep [i:3pjwdmz9]you[/i:3pjwdmz9] from enjoying his works? [color=yellow:3pjwdmz9] I enjoy his works just fine. The reality is simple. Good-natured fun, ribbing and all 'round joking is great. Seems you can dish, but like 92% of all bullies, can't take it. I have simply pointed out that there is a far cry from your actions and good-natured ribbing. Like it or not, many people out there have found something that speaks to them through Goodkind’s works. Some have found that they can grasp the truths and be better people, believe in themselves again, or some for the first time! Some people have had such horrific lives and through reading the SOD series, have said, I can have be what I want to become, and I am worth respect. Even to the point as Adam pointed out (that hadda hurt...did it leave a mark Adam?), some who were on the brink of suicide have turned their lives around. What you do is to mock them, much in the manor of the sad little boys in Lord of the Fly’s who stoned the one who they saw as different. Simply because you feel like pointing out what "you" feel are some shortcomings in Goodkind’s works. You read a couple of partial interviews, where Goodkind was responding to a poster who had earlier made a few insipid comments about how we "Americans" should be bombed out of existence and how Freedom is a lie. You can have all the fun you wish, but what you did/do is not just make fun of, but actually mock each person who has become a better person for what ever reason they choose to acknowledge having read Goodkind. That is character assassination. [/color:3pjwdmz9] All this crossboard posting does is paint a big target on your back, [color=yellow:3pjwdmz9] ahhhh o...k.. so then you admit you have a big target on your back. See you guys are the ones who have been doing the cross board posting/bashing for years. I pop in ...in what? two months and ask a few question, make a few comments? Then in your fanatic fervor, try and pin that label on me?....lol.. dude wake up and look in the mirror[/color:3pjwdmz9], allowing for the derisive people to go 'oh look, mystar is over at [so-and-so], what a moron!'. [color=yellow:3pjwdmz9] uhm, calling me a moron is like the pot calling the kettle black. As stated you are the ones who have been doing this for some time, including trying to post factitious interviews and mis-information in your petty little tirade at attacking Goodkind. Calling me a moron has no effect on me. I know where I've come from to be where I am today. I know the poverty and the homeless life I came out of as a young man to become a successful businessman. dude, you have no idea who I am. When as a young homeless man, you have to beg for food, work for a meal, swallow your pride to get food...lol... you would soon learn petty little names have no meaning. Only small people like you use them in a lame attempt to cause harm because deep within your psyche, you know they would hurt your feeling, that's why you use them. They fall off me as the rain slues off the pavement.[/color:3pjwdmz9] What's next? Are you going to come to other sites that you've yet to post at, so you can defend Goodkind/attack the mockers? Why not head to wotmania? I mean I'm an Admin there for its Other Fantasy section and I make the occasional post about the statements Goodkind has made. Or why not head to the Other Authors section of Neil Gaiman's official site, because some there in the past have made comments about Goodkind's work? I mean, you managed to come here because of [i:3pjwdmz9]one[/i:3pjwdmz9] person, and Bakker isn't as much (yet) of a household name as a Robert Jordan or Neil Gaiman. Why go to such trouble?[color= you should be asking yourself [i[that[/i] very question, yet you are too full of yourself to see.[/color] Just let the mockers have their fun and you have yours over at your site. Maybe the twain don't need to meet. It probably would be for the best that way.[color= yet you seem to feed on making it your mission to spread this kind of garbage everywhere, yet when finally rebuffed, you are blind to your actions. And you actually think you have what it takes to help troubles youth? I weep for these poor young boys whose life’s you are screwing up[/color][/quote:3pjwdmz9] larry larry larry... et al. dude, I'm not attacking anyone. That's been your petty little job. But I am and have been pointing out that having honor and respect IS something you probably are capable of, I mean I see you offering up a little respect here and there, unless its just brown nosing/ass-kissing to gain acceptance of an up an coming author who shows some promise. The point is even if you feel someone is beneath you, the true stature and character of a man is that he offer up some respect to his fellow man. Live so that when your children think of fairness, caring and integrity, they think of you. -H. Jackson Brown, Jr. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 05:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Aww...you know my name! How sweet! :P As for the rest, I post here about a wide variety of things. I post at Westeros over many other things, mostly sports-related these days. I even post ECW wrestling reviews on occasion. Goodkind doesn't occupy my time. I post as I please. But I believe you were missing my point - I know some people have felt better reading Goodkind. More power to them. I still personally find his fondness for Objectivism for it to be repugnant, but that's just me. I don't lose sweat over it. As for the dishing/taking it out, I shrug at it. Those who often counter with such things often (not always, but often) have other issues when they have to compare themselves to others. It is a weakness of a great many of us. But instead of sniping back and forth, I have a better idea, if you're game. Since you claim to be standing up for Goodkind and against those who are mocking him, I invite you to register over at wotmania and to post a defense post over at our Other Fantasy section. Only request would be no ad hominems or references to specific people, just a statement as to why Goodkind might need to be re-evaluated. I won't mock, edit, delete, close the thread or anything if it stays civil. I won't even reply, just only will allow a dialogue between you and others, if you're game. The ad hominems above to me I'll just ignore, as I believe they were spoken more out of a general irritation rather than in reaction to sustained contact between the two of us. I don't know you, you don't know me. Fair enough. I just simply disagree quite strongly with the thrust behind Goodkind's ideology and I will state it, maybe even in occasional derisive terms, just as you and others were derisive in your disagreements with Ilya's letter last year about Goodkind's comments regarding Canada ;) But the offer stands on the post. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 11:06 by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Bravo Aldarion! Be sure to give those of us intently following this debate a link if he decides to take up your challenge. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 12:06 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

[quote="Aldarion":gzjqer2m] The ad hominems above to me I'll just ignore. I don't know you, you don't know me. Fair enough. [/quote:gzjqer2m] Exactly. For instance, he doesn't know that you prefer to be called Larrita these days, owing to your proud status as your county's only male-to-female pre-op trannie. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 14:06 by mystar, Subdidact

[quote="Aldarion":tnqiesi5]Aww...you know my name! How sweet! :P As for the rest, I post here about a wide variety of things. I post at Westeros over many other things, mostly sports-related these days. I even post ECW wrestling reviews on occasion. Goodkind doesn't occupy my time. I post as I please. But I believe you were missing my point - I know some people have felt better reading Goodkind. More power to them. I still personally find his fondness for Objectivism for it to be repugnant, but that's just me. I don't lose sweat over it. As for the dishing/taking it out, I shrug at it. Those who often counter with such things often (not always, but often) have other issues when they have to compare themselves to others. It is a weakness of a great many of us. But instead of sniping back and forth, I have a better idea, if you're game. Since you claim to be standing up for Goodkind and against those who are mocking him, I invite you to register over at wotmania and to post a defense post over at our Other Fantasy section. Only request would be no ad hominems or references to specific people, just a statement as to why Goodkind might need to be re-evaluated. I won't mock, edit, delete, close the thread or anything if it stays civil. I won't even reply, just only will allow a dialogue between you and others, if you're game. The ad hominems above to me I'll just ignore, as I believe they were spoken more out of a general irritation rather than in reaction to sustained contact between the two of us. I don't know you, you don't know me. Fair enough. I just simply disagree quite strongly with the thrust behind Goodkind's ideology and I will state it, maybe even in occasional derisive terms, just as you and others were derisive in your disagreements with Ilya's letter last year about Goodkind's comments regarding Canada ;) But the offer stands on the post.[/quote:tnqiesi5] I think not. BUT you are welcome to come to .net, I've no illusions as to the kind of creature exist there and their lack of character in being civil or allowing a civil discussion. BUT why I know you will refuse my request is that you have just proven my point. You have just shown yourself incapable of a civil discussion with out resorting to petty "ad-hominems" and adding "derisive” flames. On my board, we have respect and do not allow such behavior, just as you would not allow such behavior out of the children you allegedly work with. The point being, I do not serve a double standard. We actually require selfrestraint and respect. Something you appear not to be familure with. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 14:06 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

[quote="mystar":3zqe7193] I think not. [/quote:3zqe7193] "Bravely running away, away" FTW! view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 14:06 by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

What a bafoon. I did not see a single "derisive flame" in anything Aldarion has said so far in this thread. And frankly, I think Aldarion's slight (and I repeat SLIGHT) sarcasm, is extremely justified. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 15:06 by mystar, Subdidact

One point I wanted to make, but with my three year old crawling up into my lap saying "daddy I wanna hold you", I was forced to stop posting, was this. ALL life is a choice. Whatever the given event or situation we have a choice. We can react, which would be a negative, or we can respond, which would be a positive. If you took something and you had a "reaction" your body is fighting it and you will have negative repercussions. If say, you are ill and you take some medicine and you body "responds" to it, that means you are healing and will be better. The same holds true in all aspect of your life. I choose to embrace the positive aspects and to value them. You have been choosing to deride people for their choice of valuing something that they find soils and comfort in. Not to mention find a worthwhile piece of literature. The human condition is wont for people who have no respect for anything, saying that "its my right to be or act such, even in demeaning others" and that is true it is their right. But what does that say about the person? What indeed does it offer up that a person only shows respect to someone who they think will benefit them and not the rest? We as a human race have long forgotten the practice of proper respect. This is one reason the human race suffers as we do now. I simply choose to see positive aspects that Goodkind books are about heroes that fight for moral and ethical values. I see the fact that heroes can over come with out being corrupted, or laying their values down even as a sacrifice to the evil that would kill them. While some may feel Goodkind lacks so called "prose" or that some may find his characters "straw men", that is simply because they refuse to see with eyes that choose to see the positive aspects and the moral message contained with in. The forum suggests that Goodkind focuses on rape always on rape. Yet these same people seem to be over looking the truth of the matter. Rape is something that sadly occurs everywhere. That does not make it ok, just that Goodkind has pointed out it is blight on the Human Race. It is used as a tool. I choose to see the inference and choose to respond by making people aware that there is help that this action is abhorrent and can be stopped. By ridiculing people for reading or even liking Goodkind, you are effectively drawing a line in the sand telling people that to read Goodkind is something only fools should do, Further that to not only read Goodkind but gain any kind of values from it/him is simply not possible. Perhaps you choose to remain blind to your own actions and the simply fact that like a pebble in a pond, your actions effect others. Choosing to have positive responses does not mean that you have to like the series, just that you are aware that your actions change lives, even if you don't think so. ok... <Chicken Little> who we talking 'bout?</> view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 15:06 by Anonymous, Subdidact

[quote="Xray the Enforcer":wp1bpyqn][quote="mystar":wp1bpyqn] I think not. [/quote:wp1bpyqn] "Bravely running away, away" FTW![/quote:wp1bpyqn] lol I expected as much from you. A wise man doesn't enter the den full of wolves. I am runing away from nothing. I am offering up a place where mutual respect and honor are shown. Not a place full of rabid wolves. I may be a risk taker, but I'm not a fool. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 15:06 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

[quote="Anonymous":t67sz69q] lol I expected as much from you. [/quote:t67sz69q] You need a better put-down. The 1,500th time I see it, it just doesn't sting as much as the first. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 16:06 by mystar, Subdidact

[quote="Xray the Enforcer":2p4379t2][quote="Anonymous":2p4379t2] lol I expected as much from you. [/quote:2p4379t2] You need a better put-down. The 1,500th time I see it, it just doesn't sting as much as the first.[/quote:2p4379t2] It was not a put down, but feel free to take it anyway you wish. I usually get what I expect, so I didn't set my expetations to high, knowing who I am dealing with. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 18:06 by Zadok, Candidate

i'm glad mystar has come to offer us a respite from the petty schoolyard bullies and childish name calling. *cough* view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 19:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

[quote="mystar":3puu3cey] I think not. BUT you are welcome to come to .net, I've no illusions as to the kind of creature exist there and their lack of character in being civil or allowing a civil discussion. BUT why I know you will refuse my request is that you have just proven my point. You have just shown yourself incapable of a civil discussion with out resorting to petty "ad-hominems" and adding "derisive” flames. On my board, we have respect and do not allow such behavior, just as you would not allow such behavior out of the children you allegedly work with. The point being, I do not serve a double standard. We actually require selfrestraint and respect. Something you appear not to be familure with.[/quote:3puu3cey] Why should I come to a forum of fans when I'm not a fan of the guy's work? To say that I find his ideology repugnant, his writing stilted and spotty, his characters more like archetypes than anything truly resembling flesh-and-blood people? That's quite a bit different from being offered the opportunity to state a defense to those who are skeptical AND those who are fans of his works (we do have those over there at wotmania), or if defense is too maligned of a word, then a persuasive piece as to why Goodkind is being maligned by people, including myself. I have no problems with staying out and letting you post your piece and see if a dialogue can be created. I don't need people agreeing with me, nor do I need them disagreeing with me. I do both with close friends of mine and the dialogue improves matters more than long-distance snipage. But if given an adequate reason to post at your site, I might do it, even if some might want to rip into my arguments. That's okay. I've walked into worse situations before. But I just need an explanation as to why I should post something negative about the author at a fansite. I choose to leave fans their respectful love of their author because it is not the time nor place to attack. And as for respect, it may or may not surprise you to know that when I heard about Goodkind's recent surgery that I made a post about it that was quite respectful, as my mother had a similar surgery 3 years ago. I believe my words were along the lines of regardless if I dislike the author's ideas or writing, I do not wish this on anyone and that a speedy recovery would be made. So there is some respect for the guy from me, believe it or not. I just think his ideas are repugnant, at least the ones expressed in the seven books of his that I did read before I decided that the combination of (to me, needless to say) poor writing/characterizations and Objectivist-influenced ideas was not the sort of tale I wanted to read any further. Tastes vary and we'll just have to disagree on this point (and some others)., that's all. view post


posted 14 Jun 2006, 20:06 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Should I go get some popcorn this is starting to get good. view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 02:06 by Anonymous, Subdidact

[quote="Aldarion":2libp2ys][quote="mystar":2libp2ys] I think not. BUT you are welcome to come to .net, I've no illusions as to the kind of creature exist there and their lack of character in being civil or allowing a civil discussion. BUT why I know you will refuse my request is that you have just proven my point. You have just shown yourself incapable of a civil discussion with out resorting to petty "ad-hominems" and adding "derisive” flames. On my board, we have respect and do not allow such behavior, just as you would not allow such behavior out of the children you allegedly work with. The point being, I do not serve a double standard. We actually require selfrestraint and respect. Something you appear not to be familure with.[/quote:2libp2ys] Why should I come to a forum of fans when I'm not a fan of the guy's work? To say that I find his ideology repugnant, his writing stilted and spotty, his characters more like archetypes than anything truly resembling flesh-and-blood people? That's quite a bit different from being offered the opportunity to state a defense to those who are skeptical AND those who are fans of his works (we do have those over there at wotmania), or if defense is too maligned of a word, then a persuasive piece as to why Goodkind is being maligned by people, including myself. I have no problems with staying out and letting you post your piece and see if a dialogue can be created. I don't need people agreeing with me, nor do I need them disagreeing with me. I do both with close friends of mine and the dialogue improves matters more than long-distance snipage. But if given an adequate reason to post at your site, I might do it, even if some might want to rip into my arguments. That's okay. I've walked into worse situations before. But I just need an explanation as to why I should post something negative about the author at a fansite. I choose to leave fans their respectful love of their author because it is not the time nor place to attack. And as for respect, it may or may not surprise you to know that when I heard about Goodkind's recent surgery that I made a post about it that was quite respectful, as my mother had a similar surgery 3 years ago. I believe my words were along the lines of regardless if I dislike the author's ideas or writing, I do not wish this on anyone and that a speedy recovery would be made. So there is some respect for the guy from me, believe it or not. I just think his ideas are repugnant, at least the ones expressed in the seven books of his that I did read before I decided that the combination of (to me, needless to say) poor writing/characterizations and Objectivist-influenced ideas was not the sort of tale I wanted to read any further. Tastes vary and we'll just have to disagree on this point (and some others)., that's all.[/quote:2libp2ys] As I stated on my site, we do not engage in "snipage" as you call it, we have reasoned discussions, with out sniping at the poster. Something that is not practiced elsewhere. As for "respect", forgive me, I don't call creating a fitcious interview of Goodkind, with all its perverse commentary, isn't exactly what you are saying " I choose to leave fans their respectful love of their author", not to mention your actions with regard to giog. Parodies are great, but again you have encouraged as well as participated in vulgar and inflammatory posting. And that's yours to do. I simply find that to be involved in such chicanery is demeaning to the person doing it, yet no one can deny that it also has an effect upon the one being ravaged. As I said...Lord of the Fly's... Posting at .net, is a safe environment. It might surprise you to know that not all people there are rabid fans. That's why they are there. We simply believe in fairness, respect and proper decorum for such things. BUT no one is perfect least of all me. Iwas with the Goodkind's for this ordeal. And while Terry was incapacitated it was my job to help them out. Open heart surgery is never a good thing. Many fan's are of like sentiment and wish him well, but again you will understand that it is with raised eyebrows and a skeptical look I have after all your past nastiness and actions. But I'll take you at your words. view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 05:06 by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

You know, for all that Mystar keeps going on about school yard bullies and childish behavior we and other sites seem to exibit, I've yet to see him provide a single shred of evidence. Give us some links, Mystar. I will admit that in a few places on this board we've said some maligning things about Terry Goodkind, but then we say the same things about Robert Jordan. Yet the majority of the people on this website do not take part in these threads, they merely read and shake their heads. Maybe share a laugh. I see nothing childish in this at all. Although I do find it childish that you came all the way over from your own message board to answer the school yard comments of one random guest, who isn't even a member of our board. And then you continued to stick around even after the guy stopped talking. Let it go. Seriously. All you're doing is encouraging this endless conversation about Terry Goodkind, when we'd all rather get back to discussing the author we ACTUALLY came here to talk about. I won't say anything at all about Terry Goodkind except to say that I didn't care for the first book, and I had no desire to read any of his subsequent books. Honestly, Terry Goodkind isn't the issue here. And even if a few people on this message board have brought him up in a negetive light... Who cares? I doubt very seriously that TG cares, and neither should you Mystar. If you are so convinced of our childish behavior, then go home and leave us to it, because frankly all your high-and-mighty preaching is getting tiresome. As is the fact that you continue to ignore the well-worded and mature invitations from Aldarion. Who, regardless of what he's said in other posts on the message board, has been very open and honest and mature in this thread. So please, Mystar, do us all a favor and let it go. We've heard your point and your opinion, and you sticking around is only going to encourage further debate until the whole thing breaks down into name calling. At which point we all might as well be back in first grade. view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 05:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

First off, I could post there if I had more of a motivation than to state at yet another forum what barely occupies my time elsewhere. Most of my free time these days is spent on matters unrelated to Goodkind and quite frankly, if you hadn't gotten involved, I probably would have stopped paying attention altogether weeks, if not months ago. But sadly, I'm bored enough that I'm drawn to the mudslinging on both ends, from others and from yourself. Bad enough that I bothered to reply much...but then again, I'm waiting for Dan Simmons' fans to start showing up on my virtual door knocking because I slagged him for what he wrote in his last book and in two 'messages' to the fans. But that's an aside, of course. As I said elsewhere before, I've seen snipage from you and from certain others at your site. Nothing worse than those you complain about do, and all really (all of this, not your side or 'my' side or the side of the Great Pumpkin) is just as meaningful as chickenshit. I feel no need to defend my opinion on the matter - I do not like the opinions expressed by the author. Simple as that. You can copy-paste it, you can discuss it, but that would be almost word-for-word what I would say in such a hypothetical situation. I just don't usually piss in other's drinking water, which is why I keep my opinions on certain authors in forums not devoted to their work. The fans of those authors tend not to like people trolling for a negative reaction to negative comments on their forums. But to go to other forums to argue and to imply things about others when you don't know them outside of the few comments you've read...what's the point? You might have missed it above, but I did agree implicitly (and I'll state it explicitly here) that Goodkind's series has had a positive impact on many. You take umbrage about the parodying and the mockery, but wouldn't it be argued by some that by going through such efforts, it could be seen as being a bit insecure as well? All of us have our insecure moments and you might even argue that the parodying reflects some of that, but again, the ultimate result of your comments has been to encourage pages more of sarcasm on a few sites. I would rather that it all be...dropped. Because frankly, it gets boring after a while. And I know some of the mockery is on the level of telling Retard Jokes, but when they get a reaction...some enjoy continuing on with it. So why feed the flames? And as for what you were referring to in regards to that 'interview'...you mean [u:3uja5xzh][url=http://www.wotmania.net/fantasymessageboardshowmessage.asp?MessageID=156421:3uja5xzh]The April Fools' Day post[/url:3uja5xzh]?[/u:3uja5xzh] Yes, I parodied some of the Goodkind interviews that others had started to discuss. I don't apologize one bit for it. Instead of being full of piss and vinegar, I expressed my disliking for his perceived attitude (and I read quite a few of his interviews in whole, so don't bother with the argument that you've made elsewhere of him being quoted out of turn) by using humor. Nothing different than what a Letterman or a Leno does, nor what satirists have done for centuries. If you disliked it, sorry, then it wasn't meant for you. As for GioG...maybe it hits a bit close to home. Maybe it is harsh at times toward those who don't know how to write well. But it serves a function of letting off negative energy in a way that brings laughter rather than invectives toward others. It's a common reaction and most people do it in groups to relieve group tensions. Again, when I do something of such a nature, I don't limit myself to one group. I've teased the fanatical WoT fans at wotmania as well, with the epiphet of WoTHeads. A few who didn't know me well took offense, until increased interaction revealed that it was more of a tease, as I tease and parody and playfully mock just about everything around me, not out of bitterness or hatred, but as a way to avoid those feelings. It's better to laugh over a frustrating task than to break out in anger, as long as that laughter serves to make the task at hand a more managable one. Laugh WITH us or AGAINST us - do parodies, or ignore the harsh comments, or show by actions rather than by words why the other side might be mistaken. Laughter does much more good than bitterness. And as for the final bit, yes, you might be a bit wary, but my pointed and vehement disliking for Goodkind's ideas and writings does not equate to the wishing of suffering on him or on any. I just merely wish his writing would be better and that he'd move away from an adherence to Objectivist ideals, as I believe those are harmful to the working of a society as a whole. Nothing more, nothing less. view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 12:06 by O, Subdidact

You talk about whats better for the whole world at large yet you are the one who uncaringling wanders across the web unleashing snide remarks and victimizing people who don't agree with your world views or writing parodies of authors that you don't like. For someone who just said a bunch about trying to make things better off, you sure don't show it by your actions. Some of the things you've said were DELIBERATELY intended as insults and meant to hurt people. It is one thing to accidently step on toes, it is another to stomp on someones foot. view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 12:06 by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'm sorry, o mysterious O, was that last post meant for Mystar or Aldarion? view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 14:06 by add-on, Subdidact

[quote="mystar":li974k7o][color=yellow:li974k7o] I know the poverty and the homeless life I came out of as a young man to become a successful businessman. dude, you have no idea who I am. When as a young homeless man, you have to beg for food, work for a meal, swallow your pride to get food...lol... you would soon learn petty little names have no meaning. Only small people like you use them in a lame attempt to cause harm because deep within your psyche, you know they would hurt your feeling, that's why you use them. They fall off me as the rain slues off the pavement.[/color:li974k7o] [/quote:li974k7o] Just wondering if anybody else was thinking "Bounderby" while reading this... view post


Peace posted 15 Jun 2006, 20:06 by Harrol, Moderator

I have read this thread and found it amusing at times. Now I think it is time for X-ray, Aldarion and Kidruhil Lancer to kiss and make up with Mystar. :twisted: view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 20:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Umm...no. I don't kiss dudes. Not even when I've been drinking. :P view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 22:06 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

[quote="Aldarion":1d044zob]Umm...no. I don't kiss dudes. Not even when I've been drinking. :P[/quote:1d044zob] Your loss, man..er..woman. :P (when's your operation scheduled?) But what the heck, I'll give Mystar a smooch. We both like Goodkind's books, if for very different reasons. view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 22:06 by Curethan, Didact

[quote="Aldarion":33rgaima]Umm...no. I don't kiss dudes. Not even when I've been drinking. :P[/quote:33rgaima] Yeah, encourages an emotional connection. Next time they'll expect a freebie... :twisted: view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 22:06 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

LOL view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 22:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Yeah, I'm not for half-measures. Whether it's pre-op or post-op, I expect more than just tongue jousting. I want a deep, [i:1e1xhqb0]meaningful[/i:1e1xhqb0] connection that's more than just the heaving of loins. I want a family, dammit! Not a makeout session with a dude that probably will be a floozy and tongue an aardvark! Sheesh, even sluts like me have standards! :P view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 23:06 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

stop lying. I know you can be bought with four mojitos, a box of Chicken Kickers, and an evening spent watching ECW on the Sci-Fi channel. Yeh hoor. :P view post


posted 15 Jun 2006, 23:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

[size=34:1i7sszs9]FIVE! It takes FIVE!, not FOUR![/size:1i7sszs9] Urmm...yeah :oops: view post


posted 16 Jun 2006, 00:06 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

LOL. Larrita Teak Liver, sure. view post


posted 16 Jun 2006, 00:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Of course! Strong...and shiny! :wink: view post


posted 16 Jun 2006, 00:06 by werewolfv2, Commoner

ah, great times here :P how many folks from here do travel over to the dysfunction that is GioG? view post


posted 16 Jun 2006, 01:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Well, I'd say at least three of us here have posted there ;) view post


posted 16 Jun 2006, 01:06 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

heretic. go massage yer livver. view post


posted 16 Jun 2006, 02:06 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Bah, my livver has been coddled enough. I want the shirt with the skull drinking JD that says "Liver evil....must....punish....it!" view post


posted 27 Jun 2006, 22:06 by vercint, Peralogue

what, it's all over? A great pity... that was almost as good as the Portugal-Holland game view post


posted 29 Aug 2006, 20:08 by Anonymous, Subdidact

great :)[url=http://hometown.aol.com/valium1valium/:12v2cagm]:)[/url:12v2cagm] view post


posted 30 Aug 2006, 19:08 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

If you must get your Goodkind-related mayhem in, try the fight happening at Wikipedia right now. Holy gods, what a clusterfuck. :roll: view post


posted 28 Sep 2006, 15:09 by Inner_visions, Candidate

[quote="FuraxVZ":2iprp487] As for his books, I gave up long ago, even before he became a born-again Objectivist. Just poorly written and trite.[/quote:2iprp487] That just about sums him up. view post


posted 12 Nov 2006, 02:11 by Lythade, Candidate

[quote="Orion_metalhead":fcnps1v0]if Chainfire is the last book than awsome. i dont feel like reading a million books that lead nowhere like his seem to. at least now i REALLY concentrate on TDTCB[/quote:fcnps1v0] Chainfire is not the last book of the SoT series there are acctually 2 more books after it one of which has been out since june/july and it's called Phantom. The last book unforutantly won't be out until sometime in 2008 :( but the good news is that the whole series is being made into a tv mini-serise :D view post


posted 27 Dec 2006, 06:12 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

That's [i:137h5r3r]good[/i:137h5r3r] news? :cry: view post


posted 15 May 2007, 01:05 by Myshkin, Commoner

I find the title of this thread to be utterly hilarious seeing as myself and another boarder just got banned from TG.net for daring to hold the opinion that rape is wrong. view post


posted 15 May 2007, 22:05 by Harrol, Moderator

What is wrong with you Myshkin? Rape being wrong! How dare you. I am telling Cnauir. view post


posted 16 May 2007, 21:05 by Myshkin, Commoner

Yeah, I know. I'm a bad lemming. Bad, bad lemming. view post


posted 24 Mar 2008, 15:03 by A Moral Unknown, Commoner

That noticeably progressive writer, Terry Goodkind, is in most cases a pioneering author of the highest calibre; of what he engages with it is doubtlessly clear: Truth, liberty, morality, and a whole host of important human themes. Do not forget this, gentlemen. view post


posted 25 Mar 2008, 02:03 by Israfel, Peralogue

A Moral Unknown = Terry Goodkind himself come to make the case for his polemics? Is it just me that had to skip several sections at the end of the last book because he'd started repeating himself? My favourite part of Richard advancing Terry's views in the series comes in the 6th one, Faith of the Fallen, when he refuses to help a disabled man because his disabilities didn't stop him from siring children and thus his troubles were brought upon himself... Broadly speaking, Moral Unkown is right; Goodkind occasionally makes very good points, but his love of stating the obvious in bombastic tones tends to put me off even when I agree with him. Engaging with interesting and important themes isn't always engaging in a readable manner with faultless, utterly impeccable logic... view post


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