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Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 19 Sep 2007, 11:09 by ErebusRed, Candidate

Just my ideas - feel free to complain or add your own! Akka - Mel Gibson Esme - Monica Belluci Proyas - Rufus Sewell (born to play this part!) Cnaiur - Gerald Butler Conphas - Colin Farrell (ala 'Alexander') Sarcellus - Jonathan Rhys Meyers Kellhus - Travis Fimmel Xinemus - Oliver Reed (yes I know he's dead - but still...) view post


posted 19 Sep 2007, 14:09 by TheDarkness, Peralogue

I actually like your idea about Mel Gibson. It never would have entered my mind to cast him, and my initial reaction was not favorable, but i think he can pull it off. I have thought about this alot. But i have not been able to really place physical faces on the characters. one of the great things about reading is you dont have to, they can morph and change as the story does. But I have always seen Akka as dark and brooding. Somthing like that giant form harry potter or the dwarf from LOTR. but somehwere in between those two sizes and fatter. I think Kellhus, Cnaur, and Esmi are the other most important characters to cast, but ill have to get back on who i think should play them i ill research your suggestions, since i havent heard of some of those actors. view post


posted 19 Sep 2007, 16:09 by ErebusRed, Candidate

Yeh I'm particularly thinking of Mel as he is now - as opposed to the younger, fitter Mel. Somewhat past his prime, a little edgy, a bit dangerous, a sense of experience - and yet a twinkling humour and the feeling he might do unethical as well as courageous things. [img:190vca3m]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/ElectraNemora/prince1.jpg[/img:190vca3m] view post


posted 21 Sep 2007, 09:09 by Curethan, Didact

He's not very black tho, is he? view post


posted 21 Sep 2007, 16:09 by TheDarkness, Peralogue

Monica Belluci right on the money!! damn thats hot i think i see her as taller, or skinnier as she becomes the real esmi view post


posted 24 Sep 2007, 08:09 by ErebusRed, Candidate

I can't help but cast the characters as I read, it helps me to keep on top of who is who. Here's another - I know Saubon is blonde, but I feel Colin Firth has good qualities to play the role. Displaying always a sense of personal dignity and righteousness, yet perhaps no stranger to greed and ambition - such as in his portrayal of Darcy in 'Pride and Prejudice'. [img:p7dfi08i]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/ElectraNemora/prince2.jpg[/img:p7dfi08i] And again although not a perfect physical match to Bakker's text, I can't help but imagine Gotian as Marton Csokas (Xena, LOTR, Kingdom of Heaven)... [img:p7dfi08i]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/ElectraNemora/prince3.jpg[/img:p7dfi08i] view post


posted 01 Dec 2007, 00:12 by Angainawen, Candidate

Omg, I so pictured Martin Csokas as Gotian while I was reading and I like the idea of Jonathen Rhys Myers as Sarcellus a lot, but Mel Gibson will have to tan a bit to be Akka to me. I don't know. I pictured him more Southern Greek with dark-tanned skin from all the sea-fairing and dark brown thick curly hair. But I am obsessed with Greek culture... Kellhus looked to me similar to a young Princess-Bride Carrie Elwes but somewhat more rugged-looking. I tend to not cast people when I read but give general looks. Oh, and I cannot see Gerard Butler as Cnaiur, even with his macho-growling in 300. But Cnaiur was one of the few characters I didn't quite visualize. I saw pieces of him, like his eyes, his hair, sometimes his sneer, but rarely all of him like Akka, Kellhus, or even Serwe. view post


posted 02 Dec 2007, 09:12 by professor plum, Peralogue

But Achamian is a "fucking pick", remember? He's not tanned from all the seafaring, he's black. view post


posted 03 Dec 2007, 00:12 by Angainawen, Candidate

Okay, I believe you if that's a direct quote to Akka. Only doesn't he talk about the dark skinned slave girls and those peoples of nilnamesh throughout the books? If he was black, and not tan like most indegenious mediterranean peoples, why would he comment on their skins as though that makes them foreign to him? Not that it really matters to me what skin tone he is, in truth. I still adore him and hate Esmi for leaving him for Kellhus. My ethno-social background probably did predispose me to think of him as eurasian decent, I won't lie. I just did not recieve or process any sufficient amount of information to push that schema aside. Oh well, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. In that case what black actor do you think should play him? view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 14 Dec 2007, 22:12 by Writer, Candidate

[quote="ErebusRed":27lwq05i] Xinemus - Oliver Reed (yes I know he's dead - but still...)[/quote:27lwq05i] Since we're casting dead people in the roles of Prince of Nothing movies, then I'd suggest Orson Welles as Kellhus. If he can't be Kellhus, then he has to be someone else. Maybe Proyas or Cnauir. I just love Orsen Welles. view post


posted 14 Dec 2007, 22:12 by Writer, Candidate

[quote="Angainawen":1fyn8h35] Oh well, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. In that case what black actor do you think should play him?[/quote:1fyn8h35] I'd say Morgan Freeman. And I always pictured Achamian as sort of Greek. view post


posted 16 Dec 2007, 19:12 by Angainawen, Candidate

I was thinking of Morgan Freeman too, only isn't he a little too old at this point? view post


posted 17 Dec 2007, 14:12 by Writer, Candidate

Well, admittedly I don't know that many black actors in Achamian's age area. view post


posted 19 Dec 2007, 16:12 by Angainawen, Candidate

yeah. me neither, sadly. *pouts* view post


posted 19 Dec 2007, 21:12 by Writer, Candidate

On the plus side, that means we could get an unknown actor and not some celebrety, thus allowing ourselves to fully emerse ourselves in the movie without the actor getting in the way. Although we would have this if Orsen Welles is cast as Kellhus, I defend this as Orson Welles is the only actor I can see who could possibly play Kellhus. Shame he's dead. view post


posted 19 Dec 2007, 23:12 by Hear Me Roar, Candidate

Hello all. Fairly new to this forum, more experienced over on the Song of Ice and Fire forum. I love this question. Gibson isn't the Akka I picture in my head. I'm having a really hard time coming up with who I think he is. I also love Bellucci as Ezmi. I had a thought that I personally love, just my opinion, but Gary Oldman is exactly how I picture Eleazaras. Kellhus is a hard one too. view post


posted 21 Dec 2007, 09:12 by xatantius, Candidate

for moenghus... Geoffery rush. no question. he's just the right age and he's the best actor around. god only knows who would have the acting ability to play kellhus without butchering the role. clive owen would be a great conphas as well i reckon, despite his king arthur performance-he's good-looking with on-screen arrogance to match lol. cnaiur...? again, who could really do it that well? he makes king leonidas look like a drag queen. view post


posted 15 Jan 2008, 16:01 by Uroborian Circles, Candidate

I imagined Akka to be more like this (minus the getup and with Akka's beard). [img:2yyxdavb]http://a77.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/76/l_caab1ce12d2fa6c28869d25b75f0efac.jpg[/img:2yyxdavb] view post


posted 15 Jan 2008, 18:01 by Writer, Candidate

Yeah, I that looks like a good Akka. On the subject of Achamian, for some reason I thought Jeff Bridges. I don't know why exactly, the only movie I ran place him in is "The Big Lebowski" and The Dude isn't a very Achamian character. view post


posted 15 Jan 2008, 21:01 by Uroborian Circles, Candidate

I see what you mean... [img:17fip7kb]http://a856.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/116/l_55670e71ad4d11e254d0fde3ea031baf.jpg[/img:17fip7kb] view post


posted 15 Jan 2008, 22:01 by Hear Me Roar, Candidate

That is way more Akka than anyone else I've thought about. view post


posted 15 Jan 2008, 23:01 by TheDarkness, Peralogue

I was watching an animated music video earlier. Then it came to me! Maybe this should be an animated flick. But i like the Gary Oldman reccomendation, but i think I would cast him as Iyokus. view post


posted 16 Jan 2008, 02:01 by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Am I the only one who feels that a movie version of PoN would not be possible? The story works so well because of the way it's presented through the viewpoints of each character view post


posted 16 Jan 2008, 08:01 by Curethan, Didact

Good point there. I think a version would be possible - but to be any good it would be very different to the book. The only example that springs to mind is fight club - good book, good movie, recognizably the same but I got very different rewards from each. Woody Allen as Akka for me, its the role he was born to play hahahaha view post


posted 16 Jan 2008, 19:01 by Angainawen, Candidate

[quote:1esab2dl] Maybe this should be an animated flick. [/quote:1esab2dl] Animated PoN?????? *shudders* I just got a horrible flashback of Rankin Bass' LotR from the seventies... HOW COULD YOU DO THAT TO ME!!!! view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 04 Jun 2008, 02:06 by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

I want Edward Norton for Kellhus. As for some others: I've always pictured Achamian as a Ray Winstone-type character. The Jeff Bridges suggestion was good too. I'm hesitant about skin color, but I definitely don't think Morgan Freeman could do it (where exactly in the books does it offer the physical description of Achamian's face?) Esmenet- someone less strikingly beautiful than Monica Belluci; someone more subtly beautiful; Marisa Tomei, or someone like that Moenghus- Stellan Skarsgard Proyas- Joaquin Phoenix Cnaiur- The Rock :wink: I don't know, maybe a buff Ray Stevenson Conphas- can't think of one; somebody like James Purefoy, but he's a bit too old view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 08 Jun 2008, 07:06 by Athjeari, Peralogue

I'm confused. A lot of people seem to picture Akka as black. Where do you get this from in the descriptions from the books. If anything I have always pictured Akka as a Greek/Phoenician. I'm not opposed to the idea of a black Akka, it's just that I don't remember ever reading anything that hinted at Akka being that dark of skin. I have always had trouble picturing Cnaiur. So many things about him make me picture Euro/Asian barbarains - i.e. Gauls, Germanic tribes, even Huns etc. etc. At the same time I also feel that picturing him as a Native American would also fit. The sinewed look, the long black straight hair, the Scylvendi lifestyle itself. What ethnicity do you all imagine for Cnaiur??? I have always pictured Proyas, Saubon and the others quite young. Most of the royalty are not rulers of their respected territories yet. They are still princes. I've never imagined most of them a day older than 30. So I would say it needs to be young actors. Kellhus would be the HARDEST character to cast. He is taller than most men. He has long blonde hair (I believe it's wavy too), blue eyes and is in peak physical condition(remember he holds Cnaiur over a cliff with ONE ARM!). He has a beard and is from the north. Nordic characteristics if you ask me, he sounds like a menacing nord but yet with a body type that screams agility. That body type is hard to come by, plus he has to be beautiful. Not to mention he has to have a voice that can melt people where they stand. Esmi I have always pictured as someone far more....elegant?? than Monica Belucci. Don't get me wrong, Belucci is good looking but Esmi has always seemed to have more class to me, even when she was a whore in Sumna. view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 09 Jun 2008, 14:06 by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

[quote="Athjeari":3iwrcw8f]I have always had trouble picturing Cnaiur. So many things about him make me picture Euro/Asian barbarains - i.e. Gauls, Germanic tribes, even Huns etc. etc. At the same time I also feel that picturing him as a Native American would also fit. The sinewed look, the long black straight hair, the Scylvendi lifestyle itself. What ethnicity do you all imagine for Cnaiur???[/quote:3iwrcw8f] I've always pictured him as something similar to a Hun. I've contemplated Mongol as well, but I can't picture Cnaiur with such a facial appearance. [quote="Athjeari":3iwrcw8f]Kellhus would be the HARDEST character to cast. He is taller than most men. He has long blonde hair (I believe it's wavy too), blue eyes and is in peak physical condition(remember he holds Cnaiur over a cliff with ONE ARM!). He has a beard and is from the north. Nordic characteristics if you ask me, he sounds like a menacing nord but yet with a body type that screams agility. That body type is hard to come by, plus he has to be beautiful. Not to mention he has to have a voice that can melt people where they stand.[/quote:3iwrcw8f] I picture Edward Norton as he appeared in American History X. Muscular, toned, but still very slender. view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 13 Jun 2008, 17:06 by Cripdamind, Candidate

i think daniel craig (the new blonde james bond) would make a good kellhus, albeit he's a little old at this point. view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 24 Jul 2008, 15:07 by BobbyR, Commoner

I'm not sure about the rest of the "cast," but these two images kept coming to mind while I read: Kellhus: Kiefer Sutherland Moenghus: Donald Sutherland I think Donald S. would make a splendid Moenghus, but I'm not too sure about Kiefer S. view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 24 Jul 2008, 21:07 by Vomikron Noxis, Candidate

[quote="ErebusRed":38ruaibv]Just my ideas - feel free to complain or add your own! Akka - Mel Gibson Esme - Monica Belluci Proyas - Rufus Sewell (born to play this part!) Cnaiur - Gerald Butler Conphas - Colin Farrell (ala 'Alexander') Sarcellus - Jonathan Rhys Meyers Kellhus - Travis Fimmel Xinemus - Oliver Reed (yes I know he's dead - but still...)[/quote:38ruaibv] I totally pictured Rufas Sewell as Proyas throughout the series as well! Amazing. ~rl view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 02 Aug 2008, 12:08 by Vomikron Noxis, Candidate

So I saw "Perfume: The Story of a Murderer" last night. This is the first time I've seen a film and seriously thought about "The Darkness that Comes Before." as a film. "Perfume" really captures the grotesque, the beautiful and the magical so well. I'm not saying it's a perfect fit, but its as good a match as I've seen. ~rl view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 23 Sep 2008, 05:09 by Lies And Perfidy, Commoner

Basically half the cast of Kingdom of Heaven. To wit: Edward Norton - Kellhus (the greatest actor of our generation. If anyone could pull off that complex and multifaceted a role, it's him.) Brendan Gleeson - Gothyelk (he'd just be playing Reynald de Chatillion again, so why not?) Kevin McKidd - Saubon (certainly a versatile enough actor for the tormented prince.) Jouko Ahola - Yalgrota (the huge Saxon who gets three arrows in him and continues to slaughter people until he keels over. Not [i:29tkrfvg]inhumanly[/i:29tkrfvg] big, but bulky and scary-looking enough for camera tricks to work.) Khaled Nabawy - Fanayal (all kinds of intense as the Arabic mullah, and young enough for the role.) And tossing out the idea of Ciaran Hinds (Caesar in Rome) for Akka. I've always envisioned him as swarthy but not black, and Hinds has passed for that well enough in other roles; more importantly, he's a stellar actor. view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 25 Sep 2008, 14:09 by Cnaiür, Peralogue

I've only read TDTCB, so here's how I'd cast a movie for that story only.... Cnaiür = Val Kilmer (Ever watch 'Felon'? He looks huge, esp. in comparison to Stephen Dorff. He has the deep voice, and the patient suspicious vicious stare. Plus that passive-aggressive demeanor where he's ultra calm one moment, and could snap with terror and über violence the next. Just toss long black hair on him and numerous swazonds, and you'll have a true [b:2qciulhn]mad[/b:2qciulhn] Madmartigan.) [img:2qciulhn]http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/01/30/previews/Val%20Kilmer-SGG-033926.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2749469696/ch0092046 Esmenet = Monica Belluci (Excellent choice! A worthy twelve talent whore) [img:2qciulhn]http://www.funmunch.com/celebrities/actresses/monica_bellucci/enlarge/monica_bellucci_10.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4290026752/nm0000899 Serwë = Jessica Biel (Someone who looks and would act more beautiful than everyone else around. Suppose to be more beautiful than Esmenet. Its a tough call. :P ) [img:2qciulhn]http://www.jessicabiel-pics.com/jessica-sexy/image/595/jessicabiel-sexy12.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3082001664/nm0004754 Drusus Achamian = Gary Oldman (Gary is a natural at [b:2qciulhn]truly[/b:2qciulhn] playing different roles, and Akka does so/has to. Plus, Gary is great at playing the nervous fumbling type who can hide great power.) [img:2qciulhn]http://www.celebritywonder.com/picture/Gary_Oldman/AlisaMarshal_DeGuire_5174509.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1999345920/nm0000198 Ikurei Istriya = Michelle Pfeiffer (Ever watch 'Stardust'? Gorgeous old wench of a witch! She can be sad and grievous, confident and ecstatic, slutty and whorish, deceptive and cunning. All in one package. Perfect!) [img:2qciulhn]http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/10/04/previews/Michelle%20Pfeiffer-SPX-013876.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3121256448/tt0486655 Ikurei Xerius III = Daniel Day-Lewis (Power hungry evil conniving looking motherfucka like Bill 'The Butcher' Cutting. A perfect fit! But getting him to play in a role is like pulling out your own teeth with toothpicks. Otherwise, Andy 'Gollum' Serkis would fit: "my precious" = The Nansurian Empire. "You will give the precious back. It belongs to me! To meeeeeeeeeeeeee!!" ) [img:2qciulhn]http://b4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00213/46/89/213669864_l.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1872860672/nm0000358 Skeaös = Christopher Lee (Old enough, and has that 'boyish' look upon his face as described in TDTCB. He could also make a good Nautzera) [img:2qciulhn]http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/MMPH/223189.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] http://www.imdb.com/media/rm868391680/nm0000489 ...while we're on the LotR theme... Nersei Calmemunis = Viggo Mortensen (Send the vulgar prince bastard to his death! You were never worthy of being king to begin with! :x ) [img:2qciulhn]http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2008/09/18/previews/Viggo%20Mortensen-ALO-026922.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] The next two I take straight out of the movie 'The Count of Monte Cristo' Nersei Proyas = James Caviezel ('Princely'-like. Can project uncertainty at times, and still retain his royal-demeanor. Like his role in Monte Cristo. A good fit. Rufus Sewell is also a good choice. Either would fit well.) [img:2qciulhn]http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/features/magstories/041129/jcaviezel.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2732103936/tt0245844 Ikurei Conphas = Guy Pearce (Excellent at portraying assertiveness, sureness, and egotism, like his role in 'Death Defying Acts' as Houdini. And deceitful and wicked enough to hint at drawing out his ceremonial dagger any second to dispose of Xerius. Such as his role in Monte Cristo. A great fit! His 'royal-like' accent alone is worthy of the role. A great alternative for Proyas also. Any princely role in PoN, imho.) [img:2qciulhn]http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Guy%20Pearce-1.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] Mallahet = Ray Park (The perfect creep. Like his roles as Darth Maul, and The Toad in X-men.) [img:2qciulhn]http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Ray%20Park-1.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2469960448/nm0661917 http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2907412736/nm0661917 Cutias Sarcellus = Russell Crowe (Slimy bastard. I can't help but picture him doing the acts described on pg. 328 of TDTCB, where his head snaps to the side, his limbs pop rigid, then begins to experience "searing rapture". Hehehe. I don't know if he's tall enough for the role though. Or Russell could just play the Architect in crow(e) form. Either way, he's a good choice for a powerful slimy bastard role. Probably too expensive to cast anyways) Last, but definately not least... Anasûrimbor Kellhus = R. Scott Bakker. The man himself!!! Better start pumping iron Scott! You have to look über bad-ass in that one scene where you lift and hold that big brutish mofo Cnaiür over a cliff's edge with one arm! Let alone bash and break him in unarmed combat just before that. :P To top it all off like a cherry, the irresistable Serwë/Jessica Biel pressed up against you, worshiping you every second of the way. :P [img:2qciulhn]http://blogs.epicindia.com/leapinthedark/Scott%20Bakker.jpg[/img:2qciulhn] view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 26 Sep 2008, 02:09 by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

[quote="Lies And Perfidy":luida37h]Basically half the cast of Kingdom of Heaven. To wit: Edward Norton - Kellhus (the greatest actor of our generation. If anyone could pull off that complex and multifaceted a role, it's him.)[/quote:luida37h] Win. I agree. view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 26 Sep 2008, 21:09 by Cnaiür, Peralogue

I apologize for including in-movie photos. I did some editing and replaced them. view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 27 Oct 2008, 15:10 by Mats, Candidate

Not that I in any way would support a Prince of Nothing movie adaptation, especially not by any American company - might as well just rape Mr. Bakker squarely up the pooper - but even if this dire prospect were to come true, it's pretty obvious that Kellhus ought to be played by the epic Christopher Heyerdahl. Achamian may have been done justice by an ageing, chubbier Gunnar Björnstrand, but he went and kicked the bucket so... view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 15 Dec 2008, 11:12 by skafadi, Candidate

I know the PERFECT Eleazaras- Ian McKellan. Perfect age, a fantastic actor who's just the right mix of posh and evil :twisted: Apart from that...I got nothin'. I've been wracking my brain for someone who could hold a candle to either Cnaiur or Kellhus, no dice. view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 09 Jan 2009, 14:01 by Vomikron Noxis, Candidate

I've come to believe there may be no finer casting for Achamian than Paul Giamatti. ~rl view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 09 Jan 2009, 18:01 by Harrol, Moderator

I second that Paul Giamatti view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 12 Jan 2009, 04:01 by Riardd Ambrosius, Commoner

I had always imagined Kellhus to look like Christian Bale (with blonde hair of course). He would do well acting Kellhus's personality. [url:2zq5tjyf]http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1114678/ReignofFire-photo_01.jpg[/url:2zq5tjyf] view post


Re: Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 13 Jan 2009, 20:01 by Vomikron Noxis, Candidate

Bale could indeed make an excellent Kellhus. I've Netflixed the John Adams series from HBO and I greatly look forward to geeking out over the Giamatti/Sewell interactions with this thread in mind. ~rl view post


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