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Bad, bad book. BAAAD. posted 19 Sep 2004, 15:09 by AjDeath, Didact

Hey all. I was just curious to see the books that you guys wished you had never read. Either they were a waste of your time or were just totally forgettable. Some of these books that I own are the Pendragon Cycle by Stephen R. Lawhead. Really just grey writing and the last two books were just unnesessary. Avalon, the "Post Script" was damn decent, but the rest of the series was just blah. view post


posted 19 Sep 2004, 17:09 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I don't have any books I wish I hadn't read, because everything you read gives you something, even if you hate it. There are certainly books I wouldn't read again, but there is really nothing I can say I wish I hadn't read. Goodkind is really the only author I can think of that I have particular distaste for. Everything else was just not my thing. I do have regrets about not reading books, particularly Donaldson, as I have heard so many good opinions about him I wish I hadn't given away the books and could try them again. view post


posted 19 Sep 2004, 18:09 by Da-krul, Auditor

Only book that I can say I really wish I never read whould have to be crossroads of twilight, the latest WoT book. view post


posted 19 Sep 2004, 19:09 by AjDeath, Didact

[quote="Da-krul":2c5x57xg]Only book that I can say I really wish I never read whould have to be crossroads of twilight, the latest WoT book.[/quote:2c5x57xg]Yeah, I agree with you there, I wish RJ would just get it over with. Since I have purchased all of his books (In hardcover no less :? ) I have to see it through, but it doesn't mean I have to enjoy it. :D view post


posted 19 Sep 2004, 23:09 by Scarred, Candidate

I have always hated WoT, I didnt like any of them. The main book I despised reading was....um...A Darker Magic. I cant remember who it was by, it was utter crap and I had to write a super BS-y report on it for school. view post


posted 20 Sep 2004, 01:09 by NorthernPlato, Candidate

I hated JD Salinger's A Catcher in the Rye. Despised it really. I couldn't identify with Holden Caufield at all. I thought he was simply a whining underacheiver. I had friends in high school who said that they could identify with the character and even appriciated the symbolism (what was with the red hat anyway!!!) but I just couldn't get past Holden's constant whining. Then I found out that it was the favorite book (and inspiration - saving the children indeed!) of Mark David Chapman...grrrr. Wait a waste of a perfectly good tree. (/end rant) In a funny sidenote, the night I met my girlfriend (over 4 years - almost 5!) we were talking about books and a friend of mine brought up 'Catcher' and both she and I exclaimed "I hated that book!"...ahh love at first site :P Toodles Fior Go Bas view post


Wheel of Time Sucks(?) posted 20 Sep 2004, 22:09 by Anonymous, Subdidact

Question. I read the first few books in the WoT, the first FIVE actually, and I heard they get considerably worse from there, so I dropped it. Whats everyones biggest problems with the series, from start to finish and with the most recent ones, which seem to get nothing but negative reviews(so I will not be taking the time, seen as how I am already terribly under-read in more important areas right now)? view post


Re: Wheel of Time Sucks(?) posted 20 Sep 2004, 22:09 by AjDeath, Didact

[quote="Erthaelion":3jhksz9u]Question. I read the first few books in the WoT, the first FIVE actually, and I heard they get considerably worse from there, so I dropped it. Whats everyones biggest problems with the series, from start to finish and with the most recent ones, which seem to get nothing but negative reviews(so I will not be taking the time, seen as how I am already terribly under-read in more important areas right now)?[/quote:3jhksz9u]The problem is that in the last few books nothing really happens, I mean nothing. Mat, Perrin, and Rand, and the girls are in the same damn predicament they were since Path Of Daggers, and nothing is reslly changing in most of these sobplots. As you can imagine, it has essentially gotten very boring. view post


posted 21 Sep 2004, 03:09 by eowyn1983, Peralogue

Crossroads of Twilight by Robert Jordon (possibly the worst book I have ever read). Lady Oracle by Margaret Atwood. Candide by Voltaire. I'm tempted to put in Wuthering Heights as well but it's a book worth reading for sure (I just hated Heathcliffe with a passion). view post


posted 30 Sep 2004, 15:09 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Personally, not having read any WoT for a few years granted, I don't see that they are SO bad. Sure, the plot stalls a bit, but there is still activity, and if you look at the series as one large story, there should be an idle point before the final climax. I don't have such an issue with them and will definitely finish the series. view post


posted 30 Sep 2004, 19:09 by Grantaire, Moderator

What do you have against Candide, eowyn? view post


posted 01 Oct 2004, 17:10 by Alric, Auditor

Any book written by a Bronte woman. Terrible! Jude the Obscure was pretty awful as well. I couldn't stand In Legend Born by Laura Resnick, and I wish I hadn't spent $2 to buy it used. Not only was it highly cliche, but the writing was on the level of a bad romance novel. view post


posted 01 Oct 2004, 23:10 by AjDeath, Didact

The Grand Crusade by Micheal A. Stackpole was a rather horrid way to end his latest trilogy. view post


Re: Wheel of Time Sucks(?) posted 03 Oct 2004, 01:10 by tellner, Peralogue

[quote="Erthaelion":1zgol3wx]Question. I read the first few books in the WoT, the first FIVE actually, and I heard they get considerably worse from there, so I dropped it. Whats everyones biggest problems with the series, from start to finish and with the most recent ones, which seem to get nothing but negative reviews(so I will not be taking the time, seen as how I am already terribly under-read in more important areas right now)?[/quote:1zgol3wx] You got one book farther into The Great Waste of Time than I did. I have trouble reading authors whom I would or think I would personally despise like Mike Resnick and Robert Jordan. It was the het-boy vanilla leather lesbian spanking scene that finally drove me gagging to the used book buyer. view post


posted 06 Oct 2004, 03:10 by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

WoT is a great series and, like other books there is the place where it gets somewhat slow and because it is so epic in scale, that just makes the stall seem much larger. Im on book five so im not fully done and im reading Erikson now but its a long series... its how its written... maybe becuase ive not read it all im not understanding exactly how boring it is but idk, i took a stab at it. worst book ive ever read has to be Medalon by Jennifer Fallon... wow... halfway through i wanted to remove a stake from some random campsite and jam it repeatedly into my spine. it was bland, and not a whole lot of excitement. i read it all the way through somehow and im glad i did just to know im not gonna read any more of the series unless every biography, history, and computer repair book was eliminated from the earth. and even then i may decide to use the book to bludgeon myself to death instead of read it. ok thats my rant. ^_^ view post


posted 06 Oct 2004, 15:10 by neongrey, Peralogue

If you're only on book five, that's why you're not understanding the complaints that very little happens in each book. It's really only after that point where the series reduces to one to two plot points per very large book. view post


posted 13 Mar 2005, 18:03 by eowyn1983, Peralogue

[quote="Grantaire":hrnibfct]What do you have against Candide, eowyn?[/quote:hrnibfct] Well, to be fair, I did read it in grade 7 and had no idea what I was getting myself into. From what I remember of it and it's not much, I found it gruesome and violent and those are the only impressions that have stayed with me. I should read it again now though since I am in a better position to be able to appreciate it. (Sorry for the late reply.) view post


posted 14 Mar 2005, 03:03 by Epitaphs, Candidate

[quote="Orion_metalhead":1uko81s1]WoT is a great series and, like other books there is the place where it gets somewhat slow and because it is so epic in scale, that just makes the stall seem much larger. Im on book five so im not fully done and im reading Erikson now but its a long series... its how its written... maybe becuase ive not read it all im not understanding exactly how boring it is but idk, i took a stab at it.[/quote:1uko81s1] WOT is one of the better fantasy series out there, right up until book 7. Book 7 is still all right, better than most. Path of Daggers is where it all starts to fall apart. Winter's Heart has a grand finale, but then in Crossroads of Twilight nothing. Absolutely nothing. Set up after set up after set up after fucking set up! I don't want to get too detailed here, but c'mon! I'll still finish the series though(sigh). Unspoilery hatreds: Faile, dresses, braids, nothing happening, people stuck in the same damn city for three books, people walking around looking for a gosh darn army for three books, Faile, what happens to Perrin after he meets Faile, Andor, and certainly other thins. Keep in mind this is off the top of my head. I've only read WH and COT once, and I read them both as soon as they came out. I will keep reading, hoping Jordan can reach back in time and grab a hold of the writer he once was; adventurous and fun. The Shadow Rising is still one of the best fantasy novels out there, in my opinion--Rand traveling to the Aiel waste, Perrin guarding the Two Rivers, Mat doing something cool though I can't recall what. And the ending to Lord of Chaos, which I will absolutely not spoil, was awesome too. view post


posted 14 Mar 2005, 03:03 by tellner, Peralogue

Funny, my wife and I refer to it as The Waste Of Time. It started off engaging if terribly long winded, but the reality checks started bouncing early in book three. By four or five it was obvious that the author had completely lost control of anything resembling pacing. The characterization has been dreadful and unbelievable. The plots don't hold together. The sexual subtext became plain distasteful. The treatment of women was consistently demeaning and execrable. And so on. RJ can put words together, and I'm glad that he and TOR are making money off the turkey. But for the last decade or so they will have to do so without any input from my wallet. view post


posted 04 Apr 2005, 19:04 by Echoex, Auditor

If I wanted to become a professional whale-hunter, I'd read [i:1hst5fv0]Moby Dick[/i:1hst5fv0]. Since I have no interest in becoming a whale hunter, I had no business reading it. I'm sure it's an American classic for a reason... ...I just haven't discovered it yet. [i:1hst5fv0]A Jest of God[/i:1hst5fv0] by Margaret Laurence. It's a novella about a middle-aged woman who lives with her mother and loses her virginity. There's some really awful imagery of her using some medieval birth-control device that I just couldn't get out of my mind...and not in a good way. Ex. view post


Bad indeed. posted 08 Apr 2005, 17:04 by Cohen, Peralogue

WoT is a great series and, like other books there is the place where it gets somewhat slow and because it is so epic in scale, that just makes the stall seem much larger. Im on book five so im not fully done and im reading Erikson now but its a long series... its how its written... maybe becuase ive not read it all im not understanding exactly how boring it is but idk, i took a stab at it. I also made it part way through book 5 of the WoT series untill I just didn;t care anymore....I am the dragon reborn I am not the dragon reborn....blah blah bla yada yada yada the world ends. I didn't even think Rand aand Perrin were still in the book and it's on # 7 now? This should have been a sextet at most I still shake my head when I walk by the series in the book store..Loved the first three and some of the fourth but com'on end it already view post


posted 10 Apr 2005, 06:04 by Anonymous, Subdidact

Heinlein's [u:387ewh8l]Stranger in a Strange Land[/u:387ewh8l] is about the only book I genuinely wish I hadn't wasted the time on. What an utter load of self-inserted, bombastic tripe. (Idiot me, buying the unabridged version) After [u:387ewh8l]The Moon is a Harsh Mistress[/u:387ewh8l], I thought to myself, "Hey, I might like this author!" Then I discovered that [u:387ewh8l]TMiaHM[/u:387ewh8l] was the exception, not the rule. Bah. One would think that most fiction authors recognize that egotistical self-insertion is a capital crime of all fictional authorship. (And no, self-insertion does not mean that the character has the author's name.) I let Jordan's WoT slide out of my scope around book 6 or 7. As everyone else says, the pacing just went belly-up and I stopped identifying with any of the characters. I just couldn't bring myself to care. I told myself that I was waiting for him to finish so that I could read them all at once. Really, though, I think that I was just sick of being disappointed. Sort of like Eddings' latest books. (I [i:387ewh8l]liked[/i:387ewh8l] the Belgariad! That series had a great sense of humor! What happened? That humor was just about the only thing Eddings had going for him. He only really knows how to write one or two plots... I find myself wondering if his wife is doing more and more of the writing. *shrug* Whatever the reason, his latest offerings are dry and humorless.) I don't really regret any of those books though. view post


posted 21 Apr 2005, 11:04 by Echoex, Auditor

[i:2tmbco3g]Soulsmith[/i:2tmbco3g] by Tom Dietz. It's some tripe about this family who controls the flow of luck. I'm not finished it yet, but unless the author decides to abandon every literary cliche in the last few chapters, it's going to be a pretty crappy ending. view post


Eh posted 11 May 2005, 09:05 by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

The Grapes of Wrath by Steinbeck. The first what.. four pages of the book? Are about a flippin turtle crossing the road. And I know it was an analogy... but still... By the time the damn thing got hit by the truck my brain had fallen out. view post


posted 23 May 2005, 15:05 by diarmuid, Peralogue

WoT..WoT..Wot could there be a bigger dissapointment? and I know earlier in the thread someone made mention of the scale of the thing contributing to the absolute rubbish that was CoT but really... If it is that lame for that long...no matter what the scope of the tale has not the writer in some way failed? At any rate, I , like so many others will finish the series... If for no other reason than out of a sense of work ehtic. Also David Eddings redemption of althulus If I saw Eddings on the street I would punch him for that one. view post


posted 31 May 2005, 14:05 by Iceman, Candidate

Been awhile since my last post here, but I thought I chime in with the crowd on Jordan's CoT. I'd lost faith in him ling before I read this book, but silly me thought it couldn't be worse than PoD that at least was somewhat readable. The only book I never finnished (besides Ulysses) is Kim Robinsons' [i:3c1hpob8]The Years of Rice and Salt [/i:3c1hpob8]. I enjoyed the Mars trilogy, but this crap? view post


posted 06 Jun 2005, 09:06 by Ashmael, Candidate

Positively hated "PERDIDO STREET STATION" by China Mieville. Complacency in the sickly horrid, patent absurdities, and the book ends denying the very reasons eventa started in the first place- and what events! A nightmarish plague unleashed to have the unwitting unleasher say on secondd thought, better not. And the fate of poor insect-girl! Argggh! view post


posted 25 Dec 2005, 02:12 by Harrol, Moderator

I think that the worst author I have ever read is Eddings and Salvatore is a close second. I realize this is a worst book discussion, but it seems almost all the books written by these two count for this category. view post


posted 25 Dec 2005, 23:12 by dtgooden, Commoner

Agreeing with Ashmael, I didn't like the next one either, Iron Council. The first half was interesting, and quite an interesting fantasy/sci style. The rest was crap and the ending a poor political statement rather than even a reasonably interesting finish. view post


posted 03 Jan 2006, 03:01 by Nasrudin's Shadow, Candidate

It's a funny thing about the WOT--I gave up on it around book 8, I think, but I still kind of wonder how things will turn out. Even though I could probably guess: 1. Rand, Perrin and Mat will continue to have girl problems, and we will continue to hear about them ad naseum. 2. Egwene, Elayne and Nynaeve will continue to have boy problems, and we will hear about them a lot also. 3. Rand will eventually get around to defeating the Dark One, once the readership has dwindled to a size deemed too financially weak to prolong this dreadful monster of a series. When did I become such a sourpuss? Regardless, had I not thought that the WOT was THE ABSOLUTE COOLEST THING I'd EVER read when I was younger, I'd likely not have been drawn to Kay, Martin, Erikson and, now, Bakker. Then I'd hardly even [i:f8v0el8d]be[/i:f8v0el8d] me, you know? So, I can't really say I regret reading it. I tend to just drop books that I am not enjoying. A very good English Professor once suggested this to me. Life is short and there's already too much to read, yes? view post


posted 09 Feb 2006, 16:02 by Rellion, Candidate

Eragon by Christopher Paulini. Absolutely horrid. And the second book (Eldest) was worse. I got about 3 chapters into it before both books were sent to the used book store. The funniest part about it was that someone (I can't find the URL right now) took all the plot points from Star Wars and then showed every similarity with Eragon that existed. There were about 24 major events in the book and movie that were near identical. Horrible, horrible, horrible books. That boy is NOT a genius. view post


posted 15 Feb 2006, 00:02 by Anonymous, Subdidact

[quote="eowyn1983":3w0aqx6l]Crossroads of Twilight by Robert Jordon (possibly the worst book I have ever read). Lady Oracle by Margaret Atwood. Candide by Voltaire. I'm tempted to put in Wuthering Heights as well but it's a book worth reading for sure (I just hated Heathcliffe with a passion).[/quote:3w0aqx6l] i enjoyed candide. i had to read it for Western Civ this semester and i thought it was pretty funny at parts. Worst book ever - Medalon by Jennifer Fallon. Shes as bad an author as jimmy fallon is a comedian. damn... it was boring and completely cliche... waste of time there. view post


posted 16 Feb 2006, 19:02 by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Anythign by David Eddings. I don't recall how many I slogged through before I tossed them aside in disgust, and I was like 13. view post


posted 16 Feb 2006, 20:02 by Harrol, Moderator

Mog, I agree David Eddings is the worst. view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 09:02 by Dublo7, Commoner

Dark Tower 7. It was just [b:1n0qoo87]so[/b:1n0qoo87] bad. Which is sad because I loved the series with a passion. But the 7th book just killed me :( view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 22:03 by Zarathinius, Auditor

H.P. Lovecraft wrote some good stuff, but there is some truly wretched schmutz by him as well: The Silver Key, Hypnos, and The Statement of Randolph Carter come to mind. view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 02:03 by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

I can't say that I've read any book that I've really disliked...mainly because I'm so picky about what I pick up. But I'll say this, before reading the Pon series, I used to be a big R.A. Salvatore fan...After reading the PoN, not so much.....there's just somthing...missing in it, I guess. view post


posted 25 Mar 2006, 18:03 by glaz, Peralogue

Darkwalker on Moonshae. Salvatore gave high praises for it, so i checked it out. i guess me and him don't have the same opinions on this book didn't really liked it, although i didn't hate it. just... indifferent to it. finished it just for the sake of finishing. view post


posted 31 Mar 2006, 00:03 by stormchaser, Candidate

Hmm, recent very bad books... I'm afraid I have to go along with WoT, no question. The first 4 or 5 books were actually quite good, but after that... Disaster. As new characters were introduced, the plot slowly fractured into multiple boringly detailed plotlines, focusing on miscellaneous non-events that did absolutely nothing to advance the big picture... Eventually I just wanted to throw the damn thing across the room. The series just ground to a halt around book number, well actually I don't remember the number or even the name, but I stuck it out until the book before the new one that's available now that's apparently the one before the very last one. I think. Whatever, you couldn't pay me to read the rest. I cringe when I think of how I used to recommend this series to others. What a waste of potential talent. Let's see, what else... Although not on the awful level of WoT, I was very disappointed in Glen Cook's latest book "The Tyranny of Night". I'm a longtime Cook fan, I especially like the Black Company books, and I've always considered the Dread Empire series a real guilty pleasure, but this new one, the first in a new series, just didn't do it for me. A definite letdown in all respects. I can't really think of any others... For the most part I'm pretty careful to only read books that I know I'll probably like, either cause they're by favorite authors or because they're recommended highly by a reviewer I trust. Which is why the Cook was such a disappointment - there's nothing worse than a favorite author letting you down. Oh yeah, there was one more truly bad recent read: C.S. Lewis' "That Hideous Strength." I'd read "Perelandra" and "Out of the Silent Planet" when I was young, and I liked them both, so when I recently saw the final book in the trilogy at a used bookstore, I snagged it. Bad move, as it turns out. This is a truly awful book, almost painful to read. It's plodding and moralistic and pseudo-religious, and there's absolutely nothing likable in it at all, not any of the main characters and certainly not the plot. The playful inventiveness I remember from my youth is totally absent. Yes, this one is almost as bad as Jordan at his worst. Avoid it at all costs. view post


posted 31 Mar 2006, 02:03 by Randal, Auditor

The worst book I actually finished was "Emperor: the Gates of Rome" by one Conn Iggulden. It claims to be a historical novel about the life of Ceasar, and is about as accurate on Roman history as David Gemmel's Rigante books. (but with worse writing and characterisation.) As an amazon review stated: "This book would be comparable to Bernard Cornwell writing about sergeant Wellington winning the battle of Trafalgar." view post


posted 31 Mar 2006, 02:03 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

[u:3bmaulxj]City of Pearl[/u:3bmaulxj]. So help me gods, I got it because it was SF and written by a female (to balance out all the male-authored fantasy in my clawed mitts). The main alien was [b:3bmaulxj]a militant vegan[/b:3bmaulxj] -- need I explain more?! view post


posted 03 Apr 2006, 13:04 by Curethan, Didact

Terry Goodkind. Robert Adams (never to be confused with Adam Roberts). P-tooie. view post


posted 03 Apr 2006, 14:04 by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

[quote="Curethan":1uiqwhf7]Terry Goodkind. [/quote:1uiqwhf7] There is not a level of badness that can accurately describe this man's [i:1uiqwhf7]oeuvre[/i:1uiqwhf7]. view post


posted 05 Apr 2006, 18:04 by Penfold the Mighty, Commoner

Let's see, while i am picky, the worst thing i have ever read was a book by Gary Gygax, the guy who created D&D. I read that something like 15 years ago and i still cringe when i think about it. view post


posted 18 Apr 2006, 09:04 by Curethan, Didact

Oh yeah, I remember that un. It damaged my chromosomes. But still not as bad as Goodkind. They are making prisoners in Guantanamo bay read that (a la clockwork orange). view post


posted 11 May 2006, 12:05 by Inkdaub, Candidate

Wheel of Time is a tough one for me. I have loved it since the beginning and I've read many...say the first half...four or five times. For awhile it was my favorite current fantasy work. But the series has been wandering too much, maybe meandering is a better word. I love long books and I love long series but this thing could be tightened up a bit I think. Still a fan, though. Goodkind...I tried to like him but I just don't. view post


posted 11 May 2006, 18:05 by Brahm_K, Candidate

The two books I most regret reading are... Wizard's First Rule and Stone of Tears by Terry Goodkind. I finished Wizard's First Rule, thinking quite accurately that it was a piece of shit. Yet, noting how popular the series was and how fanatical his fans, I thought that it might get better as the series went on. If it does get better after the second book (which I doubt, from what I hear) I will never know. Not only was Stone of Tears equally as shittily written as Wizard's First Rule, Goodkind also plagiarized the Wheel of Time series. Add that to his interviews, arrogance, assholish fans= Terry Goodkind sucks ass. I also regret reading Crossroads of Twilight, for obvious reasons. Stranger in A Strange Land I never even finished, due to the poor writing, a less than compelling plot and a section of the book where it stops being a story and becomes a series of essays concerning the author's worldview. view post


posted 12 May 2006, 11:05 by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

I regret reading the Quran, not because it's against my beliefs or anything, it was just written poorly and the style was horrible, and i couldn't relate to the characters at all, plus, there was not much of a plot. Overall, i think it's way overrated and Mouhammed fans are almost as crazy as R. Scott Bakker fans. (just kidding, please don't lynch me) other than that, if i read a book and it doesn't happen to be as well written as others, i don't go complaining about it. *cough coughc* pussies *cough* Sure, some authors suck, period, but maybe some of them had a genuine, original idea and their writing style just sucks ass.......the cold, hard truth is that no one can use that original premise anymore because they will be sued out their asses for plagiarism. So we have to enjoy these original ideas in thier original, shitty format. end of story. and before anyone asks, i am not a goodkind fan nor am i in disagreement with what brahm_k said, nor was i responding to his post, just thought i would make that clear. view post


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