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The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 27 Jun 2011, 01:06 by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

Feel free to move this if a [i:2yjiyv9f]White-Luck Warrior[/i:2yjiyv9f] thread is created. Did anyone else expect a bit more from the conclusion? I don't intend this as a complaint or qualm with the book, but I have to admit I was expecting a bit more. Specifically, I was expecting Bakker to reveal the contents of the text discovered by Akka in Sauglish (i.e. the document revealing the truth about Ishual); but then, I suppose that's the cliffhanger keeping people dedicated to picking up [i:2yjiyv9f]The Unholy Consult.[/i:2yjiyv9f] I was just wondering if anyone else felt this way at the ending. Personally, I'm still invested and think this is one of the most epic and well-conceived fantasy series ever created. I was just anticipating a bit more reward at the end. The whole revelation of the betrayal (of sorts) by the Skin Eaters was great though; the continual reminders of Akka's concern over his own betrayal was a well-placed red herring. I'm still not sure what part Mimara is going to play, but after her influence during the conclusion I'm intrigued... view post

Re: The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 18 Jul 2011, 01:07 by Truth Shines, Candidate

I didn't think much of the betrayal by the skin eaters. It was telegraphed from the very beginning. It feels almost like Bakker is saying -- "well, you guys have fulfilled your function, off you go." I did find the very end quite surprising: a true twist/cliffhanger, which has never happened before. In every previous book, the ends flow naturally from the early plot development and form natural stops. At the end of TDTCB, it's the start of the march of the Holy War after long preparations; at the end of TWP, it's the victory of the Holy War against the Padirajah, the decisive victory against the Fanim; at the end of the TTT, it's the ascension of Kehllhus to the throne of Aspect-Emperor, the expected end of the story arc for the "prince of nothing"; at the end of TJE, it's the skin eaters breaking through Cil-Aujas, a good waypoint on a long journey. Here, it's something that I never saw coming: the Dunyain, disappearing?! :shock: Honestly I have no idea what to think. Any hypothesis? view post

Re: The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 19 Jul 2011, 00:07 by Callan S., Auditor

Kellhus teleported back and terminated them? view post

Re: The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 27 Jul 2011, 05:07 by sneroplex, Commoner

Well for starters I'm not convinced that the final sentences of the book mean Ishual and the Dunyain are gone. Yes it says it's ruined, yes it says it's another dead place... but wasn't Ishual already a ruin before the Dunyain got there? What I gathered from reading the first books is that the Dunyain remained in a hidden and desolate place in the shadow of Golgatteroth because it was ruined and because the consult did not suspect them to be there... otherwise how else would they survive if the place was shiny like new and practically screamed "Hey! Anasurimbor's hidden here!" Or Khellus did go back and destroy it. Depending on his motivations why would he want to leave the Dunyain alive? Seems like they would be his greatest threat and if he has the power of sorcery while none of them do he could simply teleport in and nuke the place... Guess we won't know for sure until the next book. view post

Re: The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 29 Jul 2011, 03:07 by Truth Shines, Candidate

Looking back, I suppose I should have expected this, given the nature of the Dunyain. After all, they have already gone through the experience of having Moenghus' exile backfire on them becauuse the guy knows where they are. It really shouldn't have come as a suprise that after Kellhus leaves, they would pick up and move somewhere else so Kellhus couldn't come back and disturb them like his dad did. The question, of course, is where. And what happens to Achamian? But suppose they didn't move? Some wiiiiiiiiiild speculations :wink: : after kicking Kellhus' ass, that Nonman Erratic from the prologue of first book decides to look for the source of this new Anasurimbor and stumbles upon Ishual. Big fight, his sorcery destroys everything and everyone. Achamian then uses the traces of the sorcery unleashed on Ishual to track him back to Golgotterath and infiltrates the pit of obscenities, a la Seswatha (this would also fit with those weird dreams Achamian suffers in TWLW, where he seems to be somewhere in a golden tunnel or something, which reminds me of those dreams he had of Seswatha when Seswatha went into Golgotterath). This fits nicely into the Achamian-is-Sesweatha-reborn theme. Also, if true, this may mean Mimara might give birth in Golgoterrath -- Mog-Pharu's second coming, anyone? :shock: Now you might ask: if that Erratic had attacked Ishual, how come the Consult didn't seem to know who the Dunyain were during PON? Well, he forgot, of course! :D view post

Re: The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 01 Aug 2011, 10:08 by Callan S., Auditor

I think, assuming Akka saying those with the judging eye do not give birth to live young is not simply a comforting lie, that the no-god will return, and at this point, when all other births are born still, Mimara will give birth - and the baby will be alive! Somehow the inversion from the no god will mean she gives birth to a live baby? What sort of baby? :twisted: I dunno? view post

Re: The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 01 Aug 2011, 13:08 by Madness, Peralogue

Lol, a semi-active topic. I'm definitely in the "Dunyain did it themselves" camp. It was my first and most enduring thought after reading the end of WLW. Though, its quite possible that Kellhus did go to [i:wqyxa51q]see[/i:wqyxa51q] the Dunyain. Perhaps, warned them to seclude themselves further. Especially as Achamian's path seems ultimately conditioned. Kellhus is a "God," testing his subjects, in various ways. view post

Re: The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 08 Sep 2011, 00:09 by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="Madness":3sm8gou6]Kellhus is a "God," testing his subjects, in various ways.[/quote:3sm8gou6] Sounds more like a scientist testing rats in a maze, to me. view post


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