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Erikson? posted 25 Mar 2005, 04:03 by Cynadar, Candidate

Steven Erikson seems to be a pretty popular author around here... how many books does he currently have out (and how many more are to be expected in his series)? Since he seems to be a great author that people rank as good (or usually better) than Bakker, I figured I should check some of his books. If you guys could post some info, that would be great :D! Thanks view post

posted 25 Mar 2005, 07:03 by Da-krul, Auditor

Book 1 - Gardens of the Moon A Tale of the Malazan Book of the Fallen ( Book 1) [img:ld959ixy][/img:ld959ixy] Book 2 - Deadhouse Gates A Tale of the Malazan Book of the Fallen ( Book 2) [img:ld959ixy][/img:ld959ixy] Book 3 - Memories of Ice A Tale of the Malazan Book of the Fallen ( Book 3) [img:ld959ixy][/img:ld959ixy] Book 4 - House of Chains A Tale of the Malazan Book of the Fallen ( Book 4) [img:ld959ixy][/img:ld959ixy] I'm fairly bored, I was gonna add discriptions but then I realized I wasn't THAT bored. :) view post

posted 25 Mar 2005, 07:03 by White Lord, Subdidact

[quote="Da-krul":1l55dwa9]I'm fairly bored, I was gonna add discriptions but then I realized I wasn't THAT bored. :)[/quote:1l55dwa9] :lol: It usually takes a gun pointed to my head to make me do the least exerting thing . . . :) I really admire you, you know, I'd have been too lazy to do as much! :) view post

posted 25 Mar 2005, 18:03 by Cynadar, Candidate

Thanks guys, and are there going to be more books expected in this series? view post

posted 25 Mar 2005, 20:03 by Da-krul, Auditor

Thiers a fifth one, I'm not sure when its coming out. The Fifth one at the Moment is going to be called Bonehunters A Prolouge was recently released for the fifth book [url:2mli8az2][/url:2mli8az2] Check for more info - [url:2mli8az2][/url:2mli8az2] *Skulks away into Shadows* view post

posted 26 Mar 2005, 00:03 by Chris, Commoner

Actually the 5th one's been out for a while. Its called Midnight Tides. There's 10 planned in all. The remaining volumes are; The Bonehunters Reaper's Gale Toll the Hounds Dust of Dreams The Crippled God There were also a couple short stories in the series, Blood Follows and The Healthy Dead. He also writes under the name Steven Lundin. view post

posted 26 Mar 2005, 02:03 by Da-krul, Auditor

We'll then looks like I gotta brush up on Steve Erikson :D view post

posted 26 Mar 2005, 20:03 by Epitaphs, Candidate

Steven Erikson writes grittty, magical novels that each not only connect to tell an overall plotline that touches an entire world, but tell singular tales that finish in the volume. Most people agree the first book is at first, a sludge to get through. Don't just give up on it. Trust me--it took me six months and a boring summer to get back to it, and it cannot take you that long to find out what happens to Coltaine and his Chain of Dogs in Deadhouse Gates(don't let anyone spoil that for you, either). Note that the first book is actually a lot better after you've read subsequent books. Most people agree on that, too. The only "bad" thing about the books is if you get attached to characters, as usually, the next volume moves on to a different part of the world. But this only a complaint usually until about a hundred pages in, then you forget that you're missing the Bridgeburners. view post

posted 28 Mar 2005, 16:03 by Alric, Auditor

I can't recommend Erikson enough. As the others have mentioned, there are currently 5 books published in Canada and the UK, though only 2 have been published so far in the US. Gardens of the Moon: Picks up 10 years into a war pitting the Malazan Empire with the free cities on the continent of Genebackis. Only 2 cities remain free from the Empire's control. The story is one of intrigue, betrayal, wonderful world building and excellent action. Who can be trusted? What is the mission? Deadhouse Gates: The story follows a few of the characters from GotM a few months after the end of book 1. They have sailed to a land on the brink of a Holy War/rebellion against the Malazan Empire which had conquered the land a decade or so prior. New characters and setting are extremely well done. The action is intense, the plotting is amazing and the story is truly excellent. One of the better epic fantasy reads of recent memory. Memory of Ice: Runs concurrent with Deadhouse Gates and picks up the story of the other main characters in GotM. Once again, the world building in this story is simply amazing. The action, plotting and pacing of this novel is again truly excellent. The characters, old and new, are thrilling. The armies of Malazan face a new and mysterious foe on the continenant of Genebackis. This book might even be better than Deadhouse Gates. House of Chains: This novel switches styles, a little, from the previous two. The first section exists almost as a novella about a savage character named Karsa Orlong. The remainder of the book picks up the story left off by Deadhouse Gates. The story is more character and overall plot driven, but it is still quite interesting. This is the story of the final clashes of the Holy War pitting the rebellion against the tattered and young Malazan army. Midnight Tides: This novel is interesting in that it takes place a couple decades prior to Gardens of the Moon and the other novels. It explains the prologue of book 4 as it is the story of one of the characters in HoC. This is probably Erikson's best written book, showing his range of excellent humor, engaging action, detailed characterization and world building. The story builds and enhances the readers overall understanding of the greater struggle that ties all the novels together. Bonehunters should be released toward the end of this year to early next year. There are also 2 novellas out, Blood Follows and Healthy Dead, which are prequel stories about a few minor characters that appear in MoI. Some of the other aspects of Erikson's books that make them worthwhile is that each stands as a lone novel. That isn't to say that you can read them in any order. I mean that each book is written in a way that it has a clear beginning, clear direction and a definite ending. The series is tied together, but each book doesn't have a complete cliff hanger at the end. The result is that the series is very satisfying to readers. view post

posted 30 Mar 2005, 02:03 by Cynadar, Candidate

Thanks guys. I just started Gardens Of The Moon on Sunday. I'm not too far into it yet, but I think it's great. view post

posted 30 Mar 2005, 16:03 by Alric, Auditor

Well, enjoy it! GotM is a slow build, but a good book. view post

posted 14 Apr 2005, 20:04 by Faelcind Il Danach, Peralogue

Just a warning that there are is substantial minority who didn't enjoy Erikson at all, including myself. I found the prose extremely dry and the charecters lacking in basic motivation, it feels like better conceived but more poorly written version of a D&D novel. Personaly I was very turned of by the fact that each charecter seemed to be more immensely impossible powerfull then the last. view post

posted 15 Apr 2005, 20:04 by Scilvenas, Auditor

There are also people who don't like Tolstoy, Joyce, Faulkner, and Hemmingway. Just because you don't enjoy reading it doesn't mean it's badly written. I will say, however, that his writing is typically English: a bit dry with different punctuation and spacing than many are used to. view post

posted 16 Apr 2005, 04:04 by Faelcind Il Danach, Peralogue

You honestly think that erickson is in that league? I don't really see your point I could just as easily argue that erikson populatirity is as much evidence of his writing ability as britney spears's popularity is of her singing ability. I gave reasons for my dislike you can agree or disagree with them but there it is and I wish I had heard some of the detractors before I bought the book. view post

posted 16 Apr 2005, 13:04 by Scilvenas, Auditor

Among SF authors, yes, I believe Erikson is in that league. However, that wasn't my point. You said it was poorly written. That is simply not the case, and please forgive me, but I don't think you're qualified to make that statement. It's fine if you didn't like the characters, plot, etc. We're all entitled to our opinions, but quality of writing is less subjective. view post

posted 17 Apr 2005, 02:04 by Faelcind Il Danach, Peralogue

Go reread my post the statement was firmly coached as my own perception and I am surely more then qualified enough to know what my opinion is. I am not an english major so I don't really want to get in a big argument about "objective" merits or lack thereof of eriksons writing but I find your argument that he is in Joyce's category alltogether laughable. view post

posted 17 Apr 2005, 11:04 by Scilvenas, Auditor

[quote="Faelcind Il Danach":ykz2dmbd]...the statement was firmly coached as my own perception... I don't want to get in a big argument about "objective" merits...[/quote:ykz2dmbd] That doesn't leave much to talk about, then, does it? And look, I'm not saying Erikson is the next James Joyce . You're making a bit of a deductive reasoning error. I'm just saying some people don't like authors, regardless of talent. And I [b:ykz2dmbd]believe[/b:ykz2dmbd] that when people look back at the fantasy writers around the turn of the century, Erikson's name will stand with others like Mieville, Martin, and Bakker. view post

posted 18 Apr 2005, 06:04 by Faelcind Il Danach, Peralogue

And I disagree about Erikson and Mieville too, but really neither of us know and I don't think it particularly matters I just wanted to offer fair warning. I have had plenty of arguments about erikson merits and not ltalking about the subject further suits me just fine. view post

posted 30 Apr 2005, 02:04 by Folken Fanel, Commoner

Faelcind Il Danach you speak such must be punished :twisted: lol But then again I'm a hardcore Malazanite, nevertheless I will agree on one point you make his characters do seem impossibly strong. But still to compare Erikson to Britney Spears :cry: that hurt bad. view post

posted 18 May 2005, 09:05 by SEF, Candidate

Steven Erikson blows me away. This is not your mother's standard D&D, ooh boy that grates the nerves when people make such ill shortened anal retentive observances. There is purpose and prefabrication flowing through these books, what appears to be an errant thread is soon woven into the growing tapestry. As you progress through the series, the links begin to mend and take shape. IMO, Erikson surpasses even the master Tolkien in this regard. Tolkien was elaborate but ... straightforward. And the characterizations are topnotch too, each drama touching and always engaging. Steven Erikson beyond doubt is my current favorite even toppling my previous favorite George R R Martin. view post

posted 18 May 2005, 20:05 by AjDeath, Didact

[quote="SEF":j4iqnll5] Steven Erikson beyond doubt is my current favorite even toppling my previous favorite George R R Martin.[/quote:j4iqnll5]I have to agree. Mr. Bakker's latest is up there too. Damn, I wasn't too into it and then halfway through he kicked my ass. Erikson is like that too. It's all about the set up. view post

posted 19 May 2005, 03:05 by SEF, Candidate

~minor spoilers~ Oh yes, definitely. When several forces were converging on Darujhistan. And the conclusion of Rallick Nom, Hairlock, Tattersail, Paran, Crockus, and Lorne. The T'Lan Imass blew me away (and still do). Anomander Rake's sword Dragnipur is teh shit. Awesome concept. I would say the most pivotal book is Memories of Ice, you learn plenty more as if there wasn't plenty given in Deadhouse Gates (in said volume particularly Shadowthrone, Cotillion, Dassem Ultor, the Bridgeburners, Dujek, and Whiskeyjack). But in Memories of Ice, more revelations are in the offing about legend histories of K'Rul, Kallor the High King, Dragnipur, the Great Ravens, and a extraterrestrial god known as The Crippled God. And some other stuff that would be too spoilerish to drop here. I don't think I gave much away with the little I wrote here either. ~minor spoilers over~ This series rocks, Erikson is a new master of fantasy. That goes without finishing TDTCB and TWP. view post

posted 03 Jun 2005, 05:06 by Anonymous, Subdidact

I had given up on fantasy. And then I read Erikson. 'Nuff said. view post

posted 17 Jun 2005, 14:06 by Arkmam, Candidate

Erikson is awesome. Go Steve. Yhough I'm not saying that Bakker is bad, after a few chapters of tDtCb, I couldn't stop :) view post

posted 17 Jun 2005, 23:06 by azdahak, Candidate

[quote="SEF":3obioevm]Steven Erikson blows me away. This is not your mother's standard D&D, ooh boy that grates the nerves when people make such ill shortened anal retentive observances. [/quote:3obioevm] I think it's your mothers GURPS, if I recall correctly. :wink: Erikson is my fave, but Martin and Bakker is not that far behind. All in all a dastardly trio! :P HOT view post

posted 18 Jun 2005, 06:06 by Arkmam, Candidate

[quote="azdahak":3rwz5ugf]Erikson is my fave, but Martin and Bakker is not that far behind. All in all a dastardly trio! :P HOT[/quote:3rwz5ugf] They should team up and write the best book known to man :) view post

posted 18 Jun 2005, 16:06 by Edge, Peralogue

[quote:8doitg6v] They should team up and write the best book known to man :)[/quote:8doitg6v] The Malazan Book of Ice and Darkness :wink: view post

posted 22 Jun 2005, 17:06 by Alric, Auditor

[quote="Edge":33h2f47t]The Malazan Book of Ice and Darkness :wink:[/quote:33h2f47t] Ha! I like that title. view post

posted 01 Aug 2005, 17:08 by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Look, my husband is a MAJOR literature snob. He's all comp lit and theory and all that. One of his favorite writers, who he claims is a techical master is Tolstoy. Tolstoy makes me want to cry. His books are so boring that I don't care if he is a technical master, I still can't get through the three page description of LACE at the bottom of women's dresses without gagging. And when I gave him TDTCB to read he kept spluttering about how it was not technically good writing - limited is what he called it. But he finished the book and snuck TWP off my shelf and speed read it while I was out of town. So even though it didn't fall into his category of high literature, he couldn't put it down in spite of himself. I'm going to give him Erikson soon and I expect to have to hear complaints and criticisms, but he's be a hostage to the series, I know it already. As for me, I do think that Erikson's writing style is - according to my standards - tighter than Bakker's. But I think Bakker's thought is more developped and focused than Erikson's. There are moments in Erikson's books where I am not sure I like what is being implied about power and empire. Sometimes I think the ethical dimensions he is flushing out are ideologically motivated rather than exploratory. But it's still pretty complex and hard to pin down and I always end up second guessing my own suspicions. Still, I sometimes think the hard to pin down part is more a result of clumsiness than purposefulness. Still, Erikson is one of my favorites. I like Kay too, as different as they are. The man can tell a pretty good story. view post


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