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Stephen Erikson's Books posted 08 Mar 2004, 22:03 by Wil, Head Moderator

I recently started [i:nnxfpezn]Gardens of the Moon[/i:nnxfpezn] by Stephen Erikson, and I"m about 150 pages into it. My question is whether this is the first book (I saw no book order when I bought them) and if it is, do things get more explained (ie magic, the Deck of Dragons etc.)? I would appreciate it if this remained a NON-SPOILER thread. view post


posted 09 Mar 2004, 00:03 by Kellais, Commoner

Hi Wil Yes, GotM IS the first book. Followed by Deadhouse Gates, Memories of Ice, House of Chains and, released this march, Midnight Tides. And yes, you will get more explanations but all so slowly. But that is fun IMO. Steven Erikson teases us with a lot of glimpses and then leaves us dangling....i like that (as long as it will be explained somewhere!). So my advice is, keep on reading... :wink: Kellais P.S.: Was that spoiler-less enough? *lol* view post


posted 09 Mar 2004, 00:03 by Wil, Head Moderator

yes thats perfect. view post


posted 16 Apr 2004, 01:04 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

I'm rereading GOTM for probably the fourth time (I think) and the first time in a few years and I am discovering a few tidbits I hadn't noticed before. Erikson has admitted that there are a few inconsistencies between this book and later books (some characters undergo sex changes as well as some erroneous dates) but it does become clear as you go back and read the books over. Btw, are you done reading GOTM yet, Wil? view post


posted 16 Apr 2004, 05:04 by Wil, Head Moderator

Yeah, I'm about 300 pages into Memories of Ice. I ripped through GOTM and Deadhouse Gates. So far I love them, their really easy to read but not simple (if that makes ANY sense). I'm loving all the characters! view post


posted 17 Apr 2004, 19:04 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Yeah you will probably get a better understanding of things if you reread the books. Erikson is the kind of writer that you have to read the story a couple of times before a lot of the detail sinks in. Either that or you have to read very slowly ;). MOI is my favorite of the series, btw. view post


posted 24 Apr 2004, 18:04 by Anonymous, Subdidact

MOI is really cool. You can't go wrong with holy knights (i.e like the Grey Swords). :D view post


posted 25 Apr 2004, 21:04 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

[quote="Wil":g8zj3kpw]Yeah, I'm about 300 pages into Memories of Ice. I ripped through GOTM and Deadhouse Gates. So far I love them, their really easy to read but not simple (if that makes ANY sense). I'm loving all the characters![/quote:g8zj3kpw]I am the [i:g8zj3kpw]only[/i:g8zj3kpw] person in the world who has difficulties reading Erikson? I've tried to read [i:g8zj3kpw]Gardens of the Moon[/i:g8zj3kpw] five times now, each time giving up around two hundred pages in. :( :oops: view post


posted 26 Apr 2004, 01:04 by Anonymous, Subdidact

just finish it once, you'll like it. view post


posted 27 Apr 2004, 11:04 by Iceman, Candidate

It's a common problem, Atanvarno. Lot's of people have a hard time getting into GoTM. Those that does get thorugh it seldom regret it though. The following books makes things a bit clearer. view post


posted 27 Apr 2004, 16:04 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I spent about half the book getting into it, and the second half devouring it. SE is addicting. view post


posted 02 May 2004, 10:05 by Maltaran, Commoner

Try Deadhouse Gates, Atanvarno. There's no GOTM spoilers in it, and it's a much more understandable book. view post


posted 02 May 2004, 19:05 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I think there are spoilers, if nothing else in the relationships between characters that develop in GotM. view post


posted 02 May 2004, 19:05 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

[quote="Sovin Nai":2jh7d0rv]I think there are spoilers, if nothing else in the relationships between characters that develop in GotM.[/quote:2jh7d0rv]Bugger. I hate spoilers. Looks like I'll just have to try to get through GotM[i:2jh7d0rv] again[/i:2jh7d0rv]. Once my friend who I lent it to gives it back... view post


posted 03 May 2004, 22:05 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

The last hundred pages in GOTM are absolutely classic. I would recommend slogging through the novel just for the ending if anything. I was as confused as anyone the first time I read the novel, and that was after reading the whole thing, but once you do read the second one and then perhaps reread GOTM it all begins to click and your patience will be rewarded. Something that I find unique with Erikson is his use of extremely powerful characters constantly converging in hotspots in the Malazan world and then massive sorcerous and sword battles taking place. Just when you think you've seen it all out of nowhere pops someone even more powerful. And it all works really well IMHO. view post


posted 04 May 2004, 21:05 by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

SE's books have the feel of military history/detective/fantasy/mythological works. They are quite unique. I too love the explosive chaos, where everything just flies to hell. view post


posted 05 May 2004, 21:05 by Ilnaulro, Commoner

:lol: Ah, yes, I am another avid SE fan...however, I am getting through my backlog of Glen Cook and Paul Kearney but ordered "The Darkness that come before" today :D So, if this book is as good as everyone says I would imagine I will be around more often bugging you all! view post


posted 06 May 2004, 16:05 by Wil, Head Moderator

I guess I'm going to have to go and look at Cook and Kearney, I've been hearing about them more and more lately. Where should I start? view post


posted 06 May 2004, 18:05 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Hawkwood's Voyage is the first book in Kearney's excellent series. I never got into Cook's books after the first one, which I believe is titled Black Company. The series seems like the poor sibling to Erikson's Malazan series. view post


posted 01 Jun 2004, 13:06 by The Consult, Candidate

I think the greatest part of the Malazan Books is the ability for you to re-read them several times and still be able to pick up more info each time. I have read the series through 4 times, and every time there is something that you didn't notice before that gives you a deeper insight into the plot/world etc.... It just leaves you begging for more! view post


posted 06 Jul 2004, 12:07 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

I think that Consult hit the nail on the head, the fact that you can reread the novels and notice something new each time, I also like the way in which the world is in chaos with each character trying to do the best for their nation as well as the way in which each army operates differently. Really looking forward to the next novel. view post


posted 22 Aug 2004, 06:08 by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

i keep seeing the book at the bookstore and i always pick it up and i always read the little info in the jacket cover and i never buy it. it sounds great but i never had the urge to buy it. ill probably look on ebay for it cheap that way if i dont liek it i wont get angry at spending 26 dollars. where can i order the Warrior Prophet from? it seems all of you have read it but i cant even find it anywhere. view post


posted 25 Aug 2004, 15:08 by Alric, Auditor

[quote="Orion_metalhead":105gggm1]i keep seeing the book at the bookstore and i always pick it up and i always read the little info in the jacket cover and i never buy it. it sounds great but i never had the urge to buy it. ill probably look on ebay for it cheap that way if i dont liek it i wont get angry at spending 26 dollars. where can i order the Warrior Prophet from? it seems all of you have read it but i cant even find it anywhere.[/quote:105gggm1] Well, I'd definitely suggest picking up Erikson, though I can understand the desire to save some money. Hardcover prices these days are steep. Gardens of the Moon is a very solid, very entertaining fantasy novel with detailed world building and interesting characters. The true reason to buy GotM is to get to books 2 and 3, really 2-5, because those are truly amazing fantasy novels, with engrossing action, captivating characters and emotion enducing scenes. As for WP, it isn't available in the states yet, but is available, along with all the published Erikson books, through Amazon.ca. The Canadian site has good prices on both books and shipping, just remember that it is in Canadian currency. view post


posted 25 Aug 2004, 18:08 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

I second the GotM-MT recs. Just started re-reading GotM a night ago and it's better than it was the first two times through (although I liked it both prior times). As for finding TWP, another option to Amazon.ca and at a similar rate or cheaper is to go to [url:rtidpq7v]http://www.clarkesworldbooks.com[/url:rtidpq7v] and look there. It's listed for $19 and only $2.50 or so by media mail, $5-6 by Priority (which arrives in 2-3 days usually, depending on where in the country you live - he ships from NJ). view post


posted 26 Aug 2004, 01:08 by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

awsome ill check that out. i live in NJ so it shoudnt take long. EDIT: Thanks for the link but im really looking for it in Hardcover. I guess ill have to wait. Once again thanks though. ill check amazon view post


posted 26 Aug 2004, 12:08 by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

If you want it in hardcover, Overlook is scheduled to release it in the US in January 2005. Penguin Canada only has it in tradeback for the time being. I will say that the tradeback is of very high quality. Now what I want is TTT, obviously, and I'll need for it to be signed to complete my collection. I wonder if I can talk Scott into doing that for me? ;) view post


posted 17 Nov 2004, 21:11 by Anonymous, Subdidact

If you can, get the Canadian covers. The US covers are lame. The Canadian ones are excellent. view post


posted 06 Dec 2004, 22:12 by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

i finished reading Gardens Of The Moon, it was really good, a bit confusing at a couple spots - mainly because of the huge cast of characters but the story was excellent. i wish the book had a bigger glossary - it would help alot. view post


posted 27 Jan 2005, 03:01 by Epitaphs, Candidate

The great thing about message boards? They can remember. It's really pretty cool to see Orion_metalhead's August post about picking up GOTM, and then four months later, read how he bought and read and enjoyed the book. How cool is that? They best glossary for the Malazan series are the next four books. Trust me. view post


posted 17 Feb 2005, 08:02 by Faelcind Il Danach, Peralogue

I can't imagine trying to slog through Steven Ericksons prose more then once, my head hurts just thinking about. Like many others I bounced hard off of GOTM. People have told me to give it a second chance but there really wasn't a single thing I like about GOTM, and nothing I have heard of the following books convinces me they are much better. The charecters seemed like D&D charictures, ever one more powerfull then the last, the charecters actions were almost completely random and the prose, Ouch. view post


posted 17 Feb 2005, 14:02 by Mithfânion, Didact

Faelin, I wouldn't recommend ever trying Gardens again. It's simply not a very good book as far as I'm concerned. The following books are simply quite a bit better. That saif, I share quite a few of your quibbles about Erikson, if not as many, and if you bounced off as hard as you did I wouldn't recommend going through. view post


posted 19 Feb 2005, 00:02 by White Lord, Subdidact

[quote="Faelcind Il Danach":1e2p38xd]I can't imagine trying to slog through Steven Ericksons prose more then once, my head hurts just thinking about. Like many others I bounced hard off of GOTM. People have told me to give it a second chance but there really wasn't a single thing I like about GOTM, and nothing I have heard of the following books convinces me they are much better. The charecters seemed like D&D charictures, ever one more powerfull then the last, the charecters actions were almost completely random and the prose, Ouch.[/quote:1e2p38xd] I agree completely. I've tried to read most of his books, and I've not been able to finish [i:1e2p38xd]one[/i:1e2p38xd], and that is [i:1e2p38xd]very[/i:1e2p38xd] unusual for me, since I can read most anything and I generally dislike leaving books half-finished. I simply don't see what the big deal about Erikson is all about. His work is just not something I care to read. Then again, to each their own . . . :) view post


posted 19 Feb 2005, 20:02 by Mithfânion, Didact

WL, Off-topic a bit, but what *are* your favorites? I noticed you're very big on worldbuilding, as am I, so maybe I can pick up a recommendation or two. view post


posted 21 Feb 2005, 21:02 by RevCasy, Candidate

This is off topic, but I've seen questions like this many many times on other forums. And I understand the desire to find something good to read, because good fantasy is rare. The sad thing is that I have stopped asking the question myself, because I came to realization that [i:1dmtrms6]the well is dry[/i:1dmtrms6]. After 25 years, I've read all the really good fantasy that has ever been written (and a lot of the less good stuff too). Now my only choice is to read in other genres that I haven't exhausted and wait for new books to be published. *sigh* It makes me sad to think this way. view post


posted 22 Feb 2005, 00:02 by White Lord, Subdidact

[quote="Mithfânion":egevt5di]WL, Off-topic a bit, but what *are* your favorites? I noticed you're very big on worldbuilding, as am I, so maybe I can pick up a recommendation or two.[/quote:egevt5di] Well I think RevCasy has expressed in his post more or less what I think also. To tell you the truth, even for those books/series which were well-written/fun to read I couldn't give you a recommendation for simple world-building. I think the only fantasy books/world that I could really appreciate for its world-building is Tolkien's Middle-earth. And even then I'm not really enamoured of his [i:egevt5di]story[/i:egevt5di]. I just think it's a really well-made world, and even the story itself draws something from it that you can't really find elsewhere. I like reading fantasy in the G.R.R. Martin mould, and while I love his story I think his world is much less detailed and thought out than it should. For ex. his eastern continents feel just as an afterthought to anchor the Daenerys storyline, which is fast coming to bore me :) . . . Jordan also gets a lot of praise for his world-building but again I don't see exactly why . . . Hell, the world as revealed in the first book of [i:egevt5di]Prince of Nothing[/i:egevt5di] was already more detailed and more gripping than the [i:egevt5di]Wheel of Time[/i:egevt5di] after [i:egevt5di]ten[/i:egevt5di] books. What you get in the WoT is repetition of the [i:egevt5di]same[/i:egevt5di] "world-building" details ad nauseam and some really annoying braid-tugging and sniffing . . . :) Now we come to Scott Bakker's PoN books, and I have to tell you that for the first time since reading LotR I can really appreciate a fantasy world for [i:egevt5di]itself[/i:egevt5di] without paying much attention to the story, and even the story gets more and more interesting against such a well-made backdrop. Really can you guess why I'm constantly plaguing Scott for more details? :) And I can tell you that reading the books was a really great experience for me. I have read them only once and I have absorbed nearly everything, from names, history, geography, storyline, that I don't think I'll need a re-read when Book Three comes out. [i:egevt5di]That[/i:egevt5di] should be sufficient reason to tell you how much PoN has impressed me. Now, though, I have to ask [i:egevt5di]you[/i:egevt5di] the same question you put to me, because I'm frankly interested in the worlds you think good, since as you see, they may have escaped me . . . :) Cheers, WL. view post


posted 22 Feb 2005, 00:02 by White Lord, Subdidact

[quote="RevCasy":12lnby7a]This is off topic, but I've seen questions like this many many times on other forums. And I understand the desire to find something good to read, because good fantasy is rare. The sad thing is that I have stopped asking the question myself, because I came to realization that [i:12lnby7a]the well is dry[/i:12lnby7a]. After 25 years, I've read all the really good fantasy that has ever been written (and a lot of the less good stuff too). Now my only choice is to read in other genres that I haven't exhausted and wait for new books to be published. *sigh* It makes me sad to think this way.[/quote:12lnby7a] Very, very true . . . (unfortunately). I'm also not reading much fantasy anymore, simply because 99% of it is pure and simple trash, and I'm afraid I could lose the love for the genre if I keep up picking books I end up loathing. I picked up [i:12lnby7a]Darkness that Comes Before[/i:12lnby7a] as an afterthought, not really expecting much, and I can't stop thanking whatever deity put it on my path . . . :) Really great books, and much to look forward to in the years to come, but don't expect much from other new or old authors . . . Frankly I'm grateful Scott Bakker is here and writing, and maybe Martin if he gets his act together, since I suspect he has lost his inspiration and is [i:12lnby7a]incapable[/i:12lnby7a] of finishing Book Four. view post


posted 22 Feb 2005, 19:02 by Mithfânion, Didact

WL, I'll give you my greatest favorites but this has to do wit more than worldbuilding; I'm very big on plotting and characterization as well. I'd recommend Tolkien and Martin right off the bat, but you've already covered those. I'd go to Robin Hobb then, because her characterization is superb. Farseer and Tawny Man are on the level of Martin's ASOIAF for me, though much smaller in scale. Guy Gavriel Kay has written some excellent books, The Fionavar Tapestry as a Fantasy (with some big worldbuilding, mixing Tolkienesque elemenets with Celtic and Arthurian elements), and his historical novels like Song for Arbonne, Tigana,Lions of Al-Rassan and Last Light of the Sun. There's Tad Williams, who is a major worldbuilder, he has a new saga out, called Shadowmarch (one book only sofar) and of course his legendary epic Fantasy Memory, Sorrow and Thorn. This has a huge cast of characters, various races, detailed descriptions of cities, landscape, cultures etc. Other than that, Greg Keyes (Kingdoms of Thorne and Bone), Juliet Marillier (Bridei Chronicles), Gene Wolfe (The Wizardknight), JV Jones (Sword of Shadows), Robert Holdstock (Mythago Wood) and some others in my top 20. view post


Re: Stephen Erikson's Books posted 25 Feb 2005, 21:02 by Tusky, Commoner

[quote="Wil":3mmubg57]I recently started [i:3mmubg57]Gardens of the Moon[/i:3mmubg57] by Stephen Erikson, and I"m about 150 pages into it. My question is whether this is the first book (I saw no book order when I bought them) and if it is, do things get more explained (ie magic, the Deck of Dragons etc.)? I would appreciate it if this remained a NON-SPOILER thread.[/quote:3mmubg57] I'm glad someone else felt that way too. I liked the book and am currently more than halfway done Deadhouse Gates, but Gardens of the Moon was hard work!!! view post


posted 11 Mar 2005, 23:03 by NorthernPlato, Candidate

I seem to be an oddball when talking about Steven Erikson's books. I loved GOTM (i like to hit the ground running), and I found the beginning of DHG to be kind of slow. MOI was great though. After having finished Midnight Tides, I can say I'm anxious to get back to the BB's. I went back and reread GOTM after finishing MT and found that I appreciated the book and the story more, probably because I knew where about in the mythology the story was taking place, and reading certain scenes (like the first one involving Cotillion (sp?) and Shadowthrone (i think that was his name) by the roadside was a treat. TMBotF series is one of the few books I've read where detail in the scenes that was miscellanous during the first read adds dimension during a reread. I'm looking forward to the next book in that series. view post


posted 20 Mar 2005, 11:03 by Ainulindale, Commoner

I just wanted to give a heads up on two novellas released ibeforen the Uk by PS Publishing will be rereleased by [i:wcaz1i7l]NightShade[/i:wcaz1i7l] books [url=http://www.nightshadebooks.com/author.aspx?authorid=44:wcaz1i7l]Here[/url:wcaz1i7l], they are numbered and leatehrbound, and autographed. The link will give a brief summary for thsoe that don't have the PS publishing editons, and they are entitled[u:wcaz1i7l] Blood Follows [/u:wcaz1i7l]and [u:wcaz1i7l]The Healthy Dead[/u:wcaz1i7l] view post


posted 22 Mar 2005, 04:03 by Epitaphs, Candidate

[quote="Ainulindale":1eq2qslx]I just wanted to give a heads up on two novellas released ibeforen the Uk by PS Publishing will be rereleased by [i:1eq2qslx]NightShade[/i:1eq2qslx] books [url=http://www.nightshadebooks.com/author.aspx?authorid=44:1eq2qslx]Here[/url:1eq2qslx], they are numbered and leatehrbound, and autographed. The link will give a brief summary for thsoe that don't have the PS publishing editons, and they are entitled[u:1eq2qslx] Blood Follows [/u:1eq2qslx]and [u:1eq2qslx]The Healthy Dead[/u:1eq2qslx][/quote:1eq2qslx] Ah, that's too awesome! Finally. Thanks for the heads up! view post


posted 23 Mar 2005, 18:03 by Alric, Auditor

I've enjoyed my recent chance to reread Erikson's series books 1 through 5 and both of the novellas released to date. Right now, I'm trying to be content waiting for the soon to be released prequel novel by Esslemont, who is a close friend of Eriksons. I'm interested in the novel both in concept and in content as it will span only a single day, or approx., and cover the events around the assasination of Dancer and Kellenved. Yes... patience. Of course, you could also head over to Malazan.com to catch the Prologue to Bone Hunters. [url:3pmi9i47]http://malazan.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/930106197/m/352106879[/url:3pmi9i47] view post


posted 17 May 2005, 07:05 by SEF, Candidate

I've noticed the only complaints about this series comes from the ones ironically that haven't finished Gardens of the Moon. C'mon, the book is farthest from bad just alittle rough around the edges but the second half simply kicks arse. And Deadhouse Gates, Memories of Ice, etc are nothing if anything awe-inspiring fantasy. Shock and Awe. Steven Erikson delivers in ways that surpass IMO GRRM. view post


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posted 28 May 2005, 22:05 by gyrehead, Candidate

I would offer a slightly different view for those looking to start Erikson. [i:32fc87eh]Gardens[/i:32fc87eh] is a bit of a mess. Interesting ideas are there though. But it is the world building that makes it worth continuing. With the first book, there is a real sense of how rich and complex the world that Erikson is staging his work truly is. However the second book is only slightly better in terms of storytelling and plotting. Not until the third book does Erikson hit his stride and even then it takes a bit. Granted most fans go into paroxysms of joy over these two books. But once again, it was Erikson's worldbuilding and the sense of a vast juggernaut of plot moving than the actual stories being told that held my fascination. Good books, both. But nowhere near great. The fourth book, though, for me, really took off. Erikson found his voice as storyteller first and foremost. Suddenly the plots matter more than the stage he had set. Plot and characterization caught up with the momentum first initiated in [i:32fc87eh]Gardens[/i:32fc87eh]. Everyting came together and delivered a truly good book. The fifth book continued in this vein. Erikson finally letter the writer crawl out of the shadow of the world-builder. And the fifth book verged on great. For some reading merely okay to good books might seeem to much. For me, there was always a hint that Erikson was doing something interesting and possibly something wonderful. A definite sense that he was letting you a ride that would take some time to really get engaged and engaging. Add to that the fact I love a good world-builder and culture addict and I had no problem letting Erikson hit his stride. So for those put off by the first book? It does get better. But for me it ook a little longer than the second book to tremble with joy each time I turned a page. view post


posted 16 Jun 2005, 23:06 by Anonymous, Subdidact

I read Deadhouse gates first, and I have to say if it wasnt for that Gardens of the Moon would have been a lot more confusing. I can't find the others in bookstores... looks like I'll have to order them... but deadhouse gates was one of the best fantasy books I have read, in some ways I find it better than LOTR view post


posted 17 Jun 2005, 15:06 by Arkmam, Candidate

I admit to hating GotM the first time I read, it, but that might have been because I came directly from books with much simpler plots, like Jordan and Eddings. I put it down and read aSoIaF instead. After that I had absolutely nothing good to read, and no money to buy more books for. So to make time pass I started GotM again, and after making my way through the first hundred pages I was hooked. I read all the books out at that time (Gardens, Gates, Memories and Chains), and after that went directly back to Gardens and read all of them again before doing Midnight Tides. Steven Erikson reigns supreme. view post


posted 18 Jun 2005, 16:06 by Edge, Peralogue

Re-reading the novels you pick up a lot more than you did first time around. Remarks that you did not fully understand first time suddenly make sense. view post


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