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posted 14 Dec 2004, 22:12 in Author Q & AMetaphysics and such by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm also a fan of the appendix idea, and since this is my first post on this board let me say Mr.Bakker that I thoroughly enjoy your work and love to see a fellow Canadian doing so well in the field. I've always been a huge fan of metaphysics, and authors who actually explain how their sorcery and religious systems and such work have always been at the top of my list. view post


posted 01 Feb 2005, 02:02 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I completely agree, I wish we could make the bets of both worlds, but we need a major technological revolution, mainly in energy I think, to go completely green to go where I want to go. Blending technology into more traditional life styles. I doubt my utopia will be here anytime soon. view post


posted 01 Feb 2005, 02:02 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Entropic_existence, Moderator

My question seems really dumb, and I don't know why I don't have this completely straight in my head yet, despite my careful reading and the fact that I am on my second time through the two books out...anyway here's my question Scott The Nonmen tutored the ancient Norsirai and then, as you said, had their ups and downs in relation with them up until the Apocalypse. Did the Nonmen side with the Ancient North and the other human races during the Apocalypse given that they fought against the Inchoroi previously? And the deranged nonman we see in TDTCB was allied with Sranc, whom I assumed the two were ancient foes. Just another example of how everything is sort of shades of grey in your world (like reality) or was I missing something? Also will we see/learn more of the Nonmen and Trinkets and such in upcoming novels? view post


posted 01 Feb 2005, 19:02 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I guess that is what I figured, which is what I like about this series Scott, shades of grey. I don't like cookie cutter books :) view post


posted 03 Feb 2005, 22:02 in Author Q & AEarwa Related babble... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Personally I like all the characters, even the inherently unlikable Consult characters. I don't pull for them by any means but I still like them AS characters. As for the more main characters...I love them. I love the fact that they are human, or in the case of Kellhus...so remarkably different yet still human. I like the fact that they have flaws, shortcomings, and are ambigous in some regards. There is something about this series that just seems smarter to me. That and it seems darker, more real than other fantasy series. Scott I'd love for you to come to my university and do a reading for one of the weekly readings that happens here lol. The look that would be on the faces of all those english lit. majors.... view post


posted 04 Feb 2005, 15:02 in Author Q & AEarwa Related babble... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Except for us reflective cerebral types! :D view post


posted 06 Feb 2005, 03:02 in Author Q & AEarwa Related babble... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

2000 years might not be much on the evolutionary time scale I agree, but 2000 years of a sustained eugenics experiment in order to breed for physical and mental rigor within a sustained population. I think the results would be pretty impressive. :) view post


posted 06 Feb 2005, 22:02 in Author Q & AEarwa Related babble... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I agree Fael (My major is Molecular Biology so I love this stuff too), being trained from birth to suppress emotion would also play a large role. You wouldn't even necessarily have to have much of a genetic effect for that. The physique and intellect would definitly happen, you can probably start seeing some effects of that within a few generations if you were meticulous enough, plus upbringing negates non-genetic causes. And yea the leaf is good Scott :) view post


posted 08 Feb 2005, 02:02 in Author Q & AEarwa Related babble... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, probably. Although I am frequently amazed both at how fragile, malleable, and resilient the human psyche can be in various situations. Plus being raised from birth in that sort of environment makes you wonder what would be possible. And thanks for the compliments on the name, I think it speaks both to my scientific geekdom and my outlook on society heh. BTW everyone should go see Hotel Rwanda for a fabulous view of humans at their worst. view post


posted 08 Feb 2005, 17:02 in Author Q & AEarwa Related babble... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

or frontal lobatomies :) view post


posted 21 Feb 2005, 19:02 in Author Q & AAppendices by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I also believe alot of the references you are refering to Maltaran are references to what will be in the appendices to TTT, which I believe is going to be far more extensive than those in the first two books. At least if we keep working on Scott to put more in that is ;) view post


posted 14 Mar 2005, 18:03 in Author Q & AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I happen to be an Implementor on a WoT based MUD, and I do my best every day to get more people in the US to pick up your work. I;ve got quite a few interested now, so hopefully it will spread. The power of the Internet is a wonderful thing. I know I happened to just pick up TDTCB spur of the moment because it looked cool (those book covers are damn sexy!) and I must say, and I think I've said it before, it is the absolute most worthwhile book purchase I have made in my life as a reader. view post


posted 15 Mar 2005, 02:03 in Author Q & AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, in my case I'm the co-implementor, mainly in charge of Roleplay related issues. Actually several things I put into the game for people to incorporate into characters via roleplay where inspired by your works. view post


posted 21 Mar 2005, 03:03 in Author Q & AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I loosely modeled a class after the Dunyain, although obviously not as powerful and they actually seek to manipulate people on purpose. Nor have they been isolated and bred for 3000 years.... Thats the main idea that I loved and thought I could incorporate into my game, as well as the Chorae. There was already precedent in the series for items to exist that could block the settings form of magic, and we had an idea on how to make them. Then I began reading your series and incorporated some of the idea of the Chorae in them. I'd do more but being as it is already set in a well establishe setting I am limited, personally I;d love to construct a MUD based totally on Earwa! view post


posted 21 Mar 2005, 19:03 in Author Q & AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I'm eagerly awaiting those appendices. :) view post


posted 21 Mar 2005, 19:03 in Author Q & ATime for that very annoying question that many of us have by Entropic_existence, Moderator

*cackles* excellent, I can't wait! view post


posted 11 Apr 2005, 11:04 in Author Q & AWill the Fanim finally get a break? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Welcome to the board Fanim, good question. I can't wait to see how TTT plays out and how things look to get set up for Aspect-Emperor. :) view post


posted 13 Apr 2005, 01:04 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Haven't we already seen one nonman physically described? Well two I guess but in TDTCB I thought that to Kelhus he looked much like a human except bigger and with the strange armor and all that. Can;t remember the details though. And Scott I always want to see more of the flesh of this masterpeice revealed! I'm a self-styled "setting whore," I want to understand the world and the setting as much as I understand my own. :) view post


posted 19 Apr 2005, 01:04 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Have you seen some true Masters of some martial arts in action? The snapping of the blade and dropkicking off the horse are definitly possible IRL if you have reached that level, maybe even the snatching of the arrow. Above all remember this is fantasy...take things with a certain grain of salt and amplify the feats possible in the real world. As for finding water in the desert he appeared to do some form of water divination. Definitly possible to do I think. And not trying to steal your thunder in any way Scott, just throwing in my two cents. :) view post


posted 16 May 2005, 14:05 in Author Q & AAbout Nonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It's just another example of how everything is shades of grey. Like humans, nonmen aren't constrained to one setting on the morality scale like we so often see with non-human races in other fantasy novels. Nonmen are free to choose, and so some are "good" some are "bad." I'm sure we will find out more in TTT and it's appendices. view post


posted 17 May 2005, 01:05 in Author Q & AA note on other races by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I hope so, I for one would love to crawl into a Cunuroi skull and root around for a bit to see how they tick so to speak. :) view post


posted 03 Jun 2005, 01:06 in Author Q & ASigns of PoN Addiction by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I love it, and I'd definitly give up good sleep for the Gnosis! view post


posted 09 Jun 2005, 02:06 in Author Q & AChorae issues by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I tried lookong for the post it was in but Scott has discussed some of the metaphysical aspects of chorae. There was a school of Nonmen sorcerors who "discovered" and studied a school of sorcery called the Aporos, which had it's grounding in negative semantics. I believe it was deemed too risky or vulgar or some such and outlawed, these nonmen sorcerors found haven for their studies with the Inchoroi. Chorae are made based on Aporotic cants which is why they nullify gnostic and anagogic sorcery. If someone else can find the thread were Scott actually talked about it can you link it? It explains it far better than I can. view post


posted 09 Jun 2005, 21:06 in Author Q & AChorae issues by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I knew White Lord would come to my rescue with a far better explanation of it than I could, thanks WL! view post


posted 13 Jun 2005, 19:06 in Author Q & AChorae issues by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Every time I get another glimpse into the metaphysics to be revealed in TTT I just get hungrier and hungrier for it Scott :) TTT and Erickson's the Bonehunters are my two most anticipated novels of all time (since I got caught up in the Malazan series) view post


posted 14 Jun 2005, 02:06 in Author Q & AChorae issues by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thanks, I like shamelessly plugging my favourite things. Firefly....TPoN, etc. All about creating the Buzz! :) view post


posted 14 Jun 2005, 03:06 in Author Q & AThe importance of being Kellhus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm one of those people who has fallen under Kellhus' spell. For some reason, no matter what manipulations he pulls I still like the guy. Maybe it is just the fact that he is on such a higher level of intellect than the mundane people around him. I mean Akka and Xinemus aren't slouches in the mental arena but he makes them seem like children in comparison. I think for me having a primary protagonist that is just so damn smart is a draw in and of itself. view post


posted 14 Jun 2005, 22:06 in Author Q & AThe importance of being Kellhus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thats ok White Lord, most intelligent people tend to fall in to someones catagory of not being in proper mental health. I mean if you look at the FBI's profile for a kid who might decide to go on a school shooting rampage anyone who is fairly intelligent and a little bit "different" tends to meet it. Kelhus, in my opinion, isn't really a sociopath. He doesn't have a disorder...he is the product of 3000 years of breeding and philosophical study that places the Dunyain above other men. Besides, my tastes can be warped enough at times that I worry about my mental health so I guess maybe I'll see ya in the psych ward WL! view post


posted 16 Jun 2005, 00:06 in Author Q & AFavourite Sorcerous School? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It was definitly a toss up for me, because all of the Schools have something special about them that I like. However my two front runners would of course be the Mandate and the Cishaurim. The Cishaurim for being so...exotic and otherworldly and the Mandate for the Gnosis and the truth that only they can fully comprehend. (if it can even be said that the Mandate truly comprehends the truth of things. After all they are, at the moment, completely in the dark about certain matters, even our dear beloved Akka.) The Mandate won out for me because of their mission and the Gnosis. I know I personally would give up on getting a good nights sleep ever again to know the mysteries that they know. As for the other schools, they sort of seem like chumps in comparison, and there is just something about the Scarlet Spires that makes me want to kill them all. :) view post


Psukhe vs The Gnosis posted 16 Jun 2005, 00:06 in Author Q & APsukhe vs The Gnosis by Entropic_existence, Moderator

How does the Psukhe compare the the Gnosis in terms of power? It is obvious that the Gnosis far surpasses the power of the Anagogic sorceries, does this hold true against the Psukhe as well? view post


posted 16 Jun 2005, 17:06 in Author Q & APsukhe vs The Gnosis by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thanks White Lord, guess I forgot about that little tidbit. view post


posted 18 Jun 2005, 01:06 in Author Q & APsukhe vs The Gnosis by Entropic_existence, Moderator

rofl I totally agree with you. If I saw some guy with no eyes and snakes around his neck coming towards me on the street I'd definitly be going to the other was pretty quickly! view post


posted 19 Jun 2005, 20:06 in Author Q & APsukhe vs The Gnosis by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Muahahaha, no I'm looking forward to possibly seeing the two of them go head to head in TTT! *locks himself away until TTT comes out* view post


posted 19 Jun 2005, 20:06 in Author Q & AChorae issues by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Firefly was an ill-fated TV show by Joss Whedom of Buffy and Angel fame and the best way to describe it as a western in Space. Excellent dialogue, great characters, etc so of course in the US market Fox stuck it on at Friday night and aired the episodes out of order, then wondered why the show flopped after only 1/2 a season. Course when the DVD boxset came out the sales were huge and Joss managed to get it picked up as a movie called Serenity which comes out Sept. 30th. It is was an amazing TV show because it was different, all the characters were well thought out, the stories were great, the setting was cool, and Joss writes some pretty great dialogue. </promo> :) view post


posted 05 Jul 2005, 20:07 in Author Q &amp; AParallels between Inri Sejenus and Jesus Christ by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Like many other aspects of PoN the roles of Kelhus and Inri Sejenus as Messianic characters are taking typical archetypes and turning them on their heads. I think Scott has commented on the parrallels in another thread on the forum but I can't recall off hand. view post


posted 16 Jul 2005, 13:07 in Author Q &amp; AThe Status of Women and Some Real World Comparisons by Entropic_existence, Moderator

One thing I'm wondering is on the status of women among the Fanim. It isn't something we have really seen (given so few POV's from their perspective) so maybe you could answer that Scott? Is it much the same as the status of women among the inrithi or higher? lower? Thanks :) view post


posted 17 Jul 2005, 20:07 in Author Q &amp; APrince of Nothing on TV/Big Screen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The success of clone wars was primarily due to the saga it is a part of...Star Wars. Love ir ot hate it Star Wars is bigger in terms of sheer marketing power than any other fantasy epic out there. I think it dwarfs even the Lord of the Rings. I'm not a fan of turning something like PoN into an animated series, probably because I do have a bias against anime in general. (It's kind of funny the comment about the adult themes in anime...in japan anime is for adults and is highly sexual in nature) but something about it just...bothers me I guess. Although more expensive real people doing live action translates alot better for most people I think. Also I think the style of PoN and the general style of most anime's I have seen seem to clash in my opinion. view post


posted 19 Jul 2005, 00:07 in Author Q &amp; AThe Status of Women and Some Real World Comparisons by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Is that another TTT teaser? :) view post


posted 30 Jul 2005, 19:07 in Author Q &amp; ATTT cover by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I know I want to see it :) view post


posted 15 Aug 2005, 20:08 in Author Q &amp; ATTT cover by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Definitly a nice looking cover, I love the abstract patterns and design the artist has put on the covers of TWP and TTT, and the colour scheme will look very nice on my bookshelp, too bad my copy of TDTCB is mass market paperback, TWP is trade paperback, and my copy of TTT will be hardcover. :) view post


posted 30 Aug 2005, 19:08 in Author Q &amp; ABetraying the Gnosis by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I understood from Achamian's POV when he was musing on Inrau's defection that the Mandate spares no effort in tracking down and killing any Apprentices who leave the Mandate in order to protect the Gnosis. Inrau was probably a special case in the sense that Achamian managed to smuggle him out and such, most teachers of the Mandate I think would be unlikely to assist an apprentice in escaping. view post


posted 16 Sep 2005, 23:09 in Author Q &amp; AThe Nonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well the big appendix that will be included at the end of TTT will certainly help :) view post


posted 18 Sep 2005, 04:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionWoT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I pretty much only read them now because a)I can't leave a series unfinished and b)world building. Been running a WoT based MUD for awhile now so I feel like I need every little tidbit I can get. Ah well, only a few more... view post


posted 25 Sep 2005, 04:09 in Author Q &amp; AOther authors you enjoy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Couldn't get into Eddings, tried the first book of his Dreamers series and just found the that it was if I was being talked down too. One thing I can't stand in a book is it being phrased and written in such a way that it makes me feel the author treats his audience as idiot children. For my old school straight-up sword and sorcery books I like Gemmel. His writing is decent, the stories are visceral, and his characters are memorable. As a plus his novels don't pretend to be anything they aren't. Jordan...well I keep reading because I can't leave it unfinished. From a world building perspective I do like the series. His writing has just gone downhill through the last half of the series. Other than Scoot Erickson is my top pick in fantasy right now, nice to see two homegrown authors seeing success and, IMO being at the top of the pile right now. Oh and as for GRRM, I'm reading ASOIAF and I do enjoy it, but it doesn't stand out for me as much as Erickson or Scott. The writing is excellent (although his battles leave something to be desired. I think he knows he can't write them well so he finds way to avoid writing them), the characters are great, but on the whole I do find something a little cliched about it. view post


posted 11 Oct 2005, 13:10 in Author Q &amp; AThe Nonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

TTT will be the end of The Prince of Nothing Trilogy, but then after that we will have The Aspect Emperor which will be a duology or possibly trilogy (Am I right there Scott?) So there will still be plenty of Earwa to explore I am sure :) view post


posted 13 Oct 2005, 01:10 in Author Q &amp; ATTT cover by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The image is over in the TTT forum :) view post


posted 15 Oct 2005, 02:10 in Author Q &amp; ANew Favourite Review Quip by Entropic_existence, Moderator

ROFL! I love that! Always great one someone picks on editing and in turn an editor lets something slip and drops the ball. :) view post


posted 18 Oct 2005, 21:10 in Author Q &amp; AThe Nonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm not fond of exhaustive descriptions of characters and locales, if I get an idea in my head of how it looks that's good enough for me. I think the only description necessary is to give the viewer a glimpse into the world, and to describe character wise stuff that perhaps drives the character. The only thing I could read forever tends to be descriptions of the metaphysics and setting of a world. :) Even then I'm fine when things are left vague...if I need to think about it I can always make it up for myself. view post


posted 21 Oct 2005, 00:10 in Author Q &amp; ANew Favourite Review Quip by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Scott have I declared my eternal devotion yet? lol view post


posted 25 Oct 2005, 14:10 in Author Q &amp; AScott, I'd appreciate your take on this by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I found Achamian pretty likeable myself, but then again I have an inherent liking for flawed characters. I can see how for regular folks he wouldn't come across as a truly likeable character after all he can be selfish, stubborn, etc, etc. But yea him and Xin...Actually I liked all of the characters, I found something in all of them that I enjoyed. As to the assertion on literature.... personally I really like reading stuff that is a bit more cerebral, like TPoN, but I hate when elitist literary snobs look down on other works as not being literature because it doesn't adhere to their standards of what "proper" literature is. As long as people are reading I think that is the main point. Reading and enjopying what you read. view post


posted 25 Oct 2005, 14:10 in Author Q &amp; ANew Favourite Review Quip by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Nice, very nice :) view post


posted 25 Oct 2005, 14:10 in Author Q &amp; AYou should be afraid... very, very, afraid. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I totally agree Scott, I had read an article in new scientist not long ago that dealth with the burgeoning fields of neuromarketing and neuroeconomics and to say the least my jaw hit the floor. It made me start to think of advertising as seen in Minority Report. Not only would companies be trying to bypass our rational thought but advertising is starting to move in a very personal direction. Where companies use records of your purchashing decisions to tailor advertising specifically to you. To say the least it is scary, and given the realtive ignorance of the bulk of humanity well.... things like buyer beware and placing the burden on the consumer is sort of like saying it's your dogs choice as to what pet food he gets served. Sure he can you know, not eat certain brands but ultimately he doesn't have alot of choice because you, the owner is calling the shots. view post


posted 25 Oct 2005, 20:10 in Author Q &amp; AScott, I'd appreciate your take on this by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I couldn't agree more :) view post


posted 26 Oct 2005, 22:10 in Author Q &amp; AYou should be afraid... very, very, afraid. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Am I ever glad I took that philosophy course in my last year of university dealing with metaphysics, and glad we had thay intro primer on logical arguments otherwise I don't think I could follow this debate. :) As Scott said, the biggest fear isn't so much marketers knowing what I want (while I value my privacy and am loathe to have them know everything, sometimes them knowing enough for targetted marking is better) it's them knowing exactly how to manipulate me in order to make me believe that what they are selling is what I want. Sure that is what marketing tries to do now, but neuroeconomics brings it to an unprecedented level, which is what makes it frightening. view post


posted 27 Oct 2005, 20:10 in Author Q &amp; AYou should be ashamed... Very, very, ashamed. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Wow, very, very well written article and yea....it will probably never see the light of day in the Globe and Mail unfortunately. I don't think I could agree more that all too often people look down on genre writing as being formulaic, when sure there is alot of that writing but there is also a great deal of very original peices of literature. Your work and that of Erickson come to mind for me as being two of the greatest series in epic fantasy right now. Although from a "literary" standpoint I find yours to be much more cerebral, which is awesome. view post


posted 04 Nov 2005, 19:11 in Author Q &amp; ANot a question, just congratulations! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Hey nemesis mind if I ask where in NB you are from? Until September I was a NB'er born and bred :) Nice to see another Bakker fan from home. view post


posted 05 Nov 2005, 01:11 in Author Q &amp; ANot a question, just congratulations! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well I think you'll find most people on here agreeing with you 100% :) view post


posted 09 Nov 2005, 23:11 in Author Q &amp; ANot a question, just congratulations! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I wonder how much a full length novel written in the author's blood (or perhaps the blood of a certified hot virgin) would go for on ebay..... rofl :) view post


posted 09 Nov 2005, 23:11 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion! re: Advance Reader Copy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

wow, I would think that ebay'ing and ARC would break some sort of contract or something between the person receiving it and the publisher. view post


posted 10 Nov 2005, 00:11 in Author Q &amp; AThe Thousandfold Thought - Paperback? Large print? Hard... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

see the picture should be posted online so we can all have a laugh :) Just kidding Scott :) view post


posted 11 Nov 2005, 17:11 in Author Q &amp; ANot a question, just congratulations! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Oh god, now I'm picturing you standing on a table doing Madonna's "Like a Virgin" The horror...the horror... view post


posted 12 Nov 2005, 17:11 in Author Q &amp; AHow can I get an autograph/paragraph ? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

After TTT concludes the current trilogy there will be another Duology (unless it ends up being another trilogy) called The Aspect-Emperor. IIRC Scott has said it will take place after the current trilogy (I forget how many years pass between the two) and continue the story. view post


posted 15 Nov 2005, 22:11 in Author Q &amp; ANot a question, just congratulations! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

ROFL! One has to truly appreicate being able to discourse with an author in this manner and the whacky topics that come about because of it. view post


posted 15 Nov 2005, 22:11 in Author Q &amp; AKhellus and transhumanism by Entropic_existence, Moderator

When is NP going to be coming out btw? view post


posted 18 Nov 2005, 21:11 in Author Q &amp; ANot a question, just congratulations! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea whacky seems to pop up alot when people talk about me lol. BTW when TTT is released do you know if you'll be doing any book signings in Toronto? view post


posted 18 Nov 2005, 21:11 in Author Q &amp; AKhellus and transhumanism by Entropic_existence, Moderator

We need to start a letter writing campaign to Penguin at the least, so us Canucks can dig our teeth in to it! view post


posted 19 Nov 2005, 21:11 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea I was wondering what happened to the Wathi doll as well, that was one of the coolest "little" things in the books in my opinion. It just seemed so damn devious :) view post


posted 21 Nov 2005, 18:11 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The first time I read the book and came to that point (the Wathi Doll breaking the circle) my grin went from ear to ear as well...music started playing in my head and I kept thinking "Uh oh, looks like the Scarlet Spires are gonna be on the receiving end of some Mandate whoop-ass." And not just your regular Mandate whoop-ass but held in confinement and tortured mercilessly Mandati orchestrated whoop-ass. :) I nearly cried for the sheer pleasure of it. Totally awesome sequence of events. view post


posted 25 Nov 2005, 16:11 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I loved the description of the Wathi doll animating, with the spirt's face pressing against the fabric, excellent detail. view post


posted 25 Nov 2005, 16:11 in Author Q &amp; AThe Motivation of a Dunyain by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Oh no, a dreaded RAFO! *runs and hides* Heh :) Just as long as we don't start seeing this too often as a stock Jordanesque answer it's all good :) view post


posted 26 Nov 2005, 16:11 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, although it was slightly different and not nearly as cool :) The Wathi doll seems almost tragic in a way, since I'm quite sure the soul isn't trapped inside by choice. In the Malazan series of course Hairlock was there by choice. view post


posted 29 Nov 2005, 04:11 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Indeed I have fortyseven, indeed I have. I have a feeling you may be about to remind me of some funky doll magic that I have forgotten :) Both Bonehunters and TTT shall be out after christmas, I can hardly wait. view post


posted 01 Dec 2005, 14:12 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Ahhh yes, Talamandas is quite cool I must admit, but the Wathi doll IMHO is even cooler :) Good job as always Scott. *Goes back to eagerly waiting for TTT* view post


posted 02 Dec 2005, 04:12 in Author Q &amp; AThe Motivation of a Dunyain by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I agree Scott, publish it without explaining what RAFO means and watch the whacked out theories begin to accumulate among people who don't know what it really stands for. :) view post


posted 02 Dec 2005, 04:12 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I should pick up A Feast for Crows to tide me over for a little bit, but I'll finish that in a few days. Just no books other than TTT and TBH that I am looking forward to right now. view post


posted 04 Dec 2005, 05:12 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Hmmmmm I'll be pretty bummed if the book is bad. I have to pick it up anyway, because I can never leave a series part way through. :) view post


posted 04 Dec 2005, 05:12 in Author Q &amp; AThe Motivation of a Dunyain by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Also...dress like Captain Jack Sparrow for Halloween, then we can take the RAFO's seriously indeed. view post


posted 06 Dec 2005, 22:12 in Author Q &amp; AAspect-Emperor status by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Damn you people who have had the chance to read it already and your teasing! :) *goes back to his waiting for TTT* view post


posted 11 Dec 2005, 04:12 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Entropic_existence, Moderator

true, I fly back to the maritimes next monday and will pick it up that night for some holiday reading view post


posted 11 Dec 2005, 04:12 in Author Q &amp; ARPG? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

If you went with a smaller publisher it might work, but you want to work with someone you know will support the integrity of the work and keep it as close as is possible in a translation. (Don't work with wizards) view post


posted 11 Dec 2005, 04:12 in Author Q &amp; AAspect-Emperor status by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I need to start doing book reviews so I can start reading things early :) BTW Scott any plans for a book tour after TTT comes out by any chance? view post


posted 11 Dec 2005, 04:12 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

He was manipulated into it by a Dunyain...I don't whether you could clearly define whether he IS or not really. I think a dunyain could talk his way into anybody's pants if it suited his aims. view post


posted 11 Dec 2005, 23:12 in Author Q &amp; ABattle of Titans by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Turning your opinion about characters upside down is one of Martin's greates strengths I think, I know that by the end of the third book my view of Jaime radically changed, so I'm looking forward to what we see of him in Feast. Of course with Jaime I found it wasn't his POV that changed my opinion, it's what he actually had one of those life altering moments in book 3, that truly put him back on the "path" so to speak. view post


posted 11 Dec 2005, 23:12 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Personally for me it's a non-issue. Cnaiur is Cnaiur, that goes for all the characters. As was said, I think, espeically in Cnaiur's case, things go a little beyond a clear cut straight/gay definition, at least from the two books thus far. Since someone has pointed out there is more detail in TTT I shall wait until then. view post


posted 14 Dec 2005, 21:12 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Was just going to say the same thing and saw Twayleph beat me to it, The book hasn't been released so giving anything thats spoilerish is really just... well it's poor form folks on a message board. Especially with no Spoiler warning/buffer things. :) Thanks in advance folks, some of us weren't lucky enough to get our hands on ARC's. view post


posted 15 Dec 2005, 15:12 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I never missed the implications of the first two novels that he may/may not be. I simply stated previously that his sexual orientation really isn't a big deal to me. :) As others have said I think Cnaiur is far too complicated to simply be labelled according to sexual orientation, I also think the situation is more complex as well. I don't really recall seeing many homophobic reactions...I for one could care less which way Cnaiur likes to swing the bat. :) view post


posted 17 Dec 2005, 06:12 in Author Q &amp; AWhy can't Kellhus plan? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I don't know if some of these points really show an inability on Kelhus' part to plan. After all, when the water ships were ambushed, it was Kelhus who found water in the desert. This was someting that further solidified his role in the Holy War and among the Inrithi. Some of the things that may directly pertain to warfare, well...he has admitted he has no knowledge of warfare, one of the many reasons he does have Cnaiur with him. I think he does know that the Dunyain may very well want to kill him should he return, after all the elders who were contacted in dreams by his father were killed. I think he has some deeper plan here, we just haven't seen it. As I'm reading one of the biggest things I keep in mind is that Bakker is an author who reveals by showing. The reader is unaware of Kelhus's ultimate goals and plans because it is something integral to the story. I don't really have access to the books though right now so I can't really go and look into it any deeper at the moment. But this is sort of my gut feeling and interpretation as I read the books. view post


posted 17 Dec 2005, 17:12 in Author Q &amp; AWhy can't Kellhus plan? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Aye, I agree Twayleph. The thing with what, with hindsight, may seem to be a lacki of planning on Kelhus' part isn't a lack of planning at all. Kelhus can extrapolate and scheme, and plot, and plan, and logic all he wants but the biggest, and most fundamental block to him being able to completely manipulate the situation and plan for every contingency is a lack of knowledge. Notice how as the book proceeds his planning of future events seem to become more and more firm, because he has more knowledge to work with. He has had to learn warfare, he didn't really know anything about war before the Holy War began. And no I don't think he remained deliberately ignorant, as Twayleph said, the early war councils really taught him very little, because the majority of the nobles among the Inrithi really aren't brilliant tactical minds. He has had to learn from Cnaiur and Conphas, both of whom have strong wills and a desire to see Kelhus fall. He can only learn through them as the war progresses, as they actually wage war, and employ their tactical knowledge. Sure I think he has been caught flat-footed a few times, in my opinion this gives him more depth as a character, not less. He is scary and brilliant, not perfect. He admits this to himself many times when assumptions he has made prove to be flaws. He then goes on to revise, create new assumptions, and change the variables of his calculations if you will. Kelhus adapts, this is perhaps one of his greatest strengths. view post


posted 19 Dec 2005, 01:12 in Author Q &amp; ARPG? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

White Wolf is good, but if I remember correctly they are the second largest RPG producer after Wizards of the Coast. I do think the setting is one they would be interested in though, as they do have a predilection for the darker themes. They also have several games published under the D20 open gaming license as well. view post


posted 19 Dec 2005, 02:12 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I wouldn't classify the Prince of Nothing as a series as being purposefully homoerotic, instead it is trying to be an honest and real portrayel of a world that is somewhat equivalent to the middle ages. The world was dark and brutal, women were downtrodden with few opportunities, etc. Despite what many people would like to believe sex between men wasn't exactly that uncommon during the middle ages, it just wasn't something, that for most of history, was openly accepted. (There are of course periods where it was accepted, at least in some forms, and many others where a blind eye was simply turned to it.) Most epic fantasy has ignored parts of the world like this, most stick to a "polished" view of our history to emulate in their novels. Bakker's doesn't. The Prince of Nothing puts it there for you to read, in my it is a more honest interpretation of the times it is modeled on than most others. I'm not saying there isn't homoeroticism, there definitly is. My point is that I don't think it is a deliberate "let's put all this homoerotic imagery in here" type of thing. It's there because thats real, and that's life. For me, to be honest, it is something that I pick up on and observe but I don't really think about it. Call me open minded and liberated but homoerotic imagery in a novel doesn't really register any flags when I'm reading any more than heteroerotic imagery does. So once again I congratulate Bakker for his writing, the setting he has given to us, and the enjoyment I get from the novels. view post


posted 19 Dec 2005, 02:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat book or book series reminds you most of PON by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I don't think I was overtly reminded of any other novel except for the obvious references to things that many, many, many epic fantasy novels all draw from. As was stated above if I was going to be reminded of any one thing the Chain of Dogs thread from Erickson's Malazan Book of the Fallen books would be as close as it gets, and thats just for a visceral, emotional, and gritty portrayel of war and the soldiers involved. TPON goes way above Malazan on a philosophical and cerebral level though, as much as I absolutly love both series. (My top two picks in fantasy right now.) view post


posted 19 Dec 2005, 02:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionStarring &quot;Insert Actor Here&quot; as Kelhuss! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Hmmmm not sure who I would cast in any of the roles. Kelhus isn't that young is he? I thought he is supposed to be in his 30's or so? The Clive Owen nomination I liked. Kelhus should be able to pull of a brutality about him when he wants to, and Owen can definitly do that. Although Owen frequently has a kind of dark prescence about him that might be too much for Kelhus...although on the big screen it could work to show he isn't really a "nice guy" to the audience. Cnaiur - Cnaiur needs to be big and physically imposing. But he is also incredibly conflicted and tortured so he needs to be a good actor too. Cinematography can help make people look bigger or smaller than they really are so that helps. I could see Edward Norton or Ralph Fines in this role. view post


posted 21 Dec 2005, 01:12 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think they both go hand in hand, but asking which came from which is like asking the chicken and the egg question I think, at least with the information we have. After all if he did have a sexual relationship with Moenghus I still stna d by my argument that he was seduced by a Dunyain. I'm pretty sure a Dunyain could talk their way into almost anyone's pants if they wanted to, male or female. Cnaiur is sexually conflicted, violent, angry, and seeking to continously make himself into a "true man" in the eyes of his people. view post


posted 21 Dec 2005, 20:12 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea Aldarion, Cnaiur definitly does fit an Achilles character, the exception being the sexuality really wasn't an issue with Achilles. It was pretty much socially accepted in the Greek warrior castes for men to take male lovers, especially when on campaign. The Scylvendi on the other hand have quite different opinions on the subject. :) view post


posted 26 Dec 2005, 03:12 in Author Q &amp; ARPG? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, pen and paper is the way to go. MMORPG's are fun but you can't really role-play in them. view post


posted 31 Dec 2005, 22:12 in Author Q &amp; AAspect-Emperor status by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, hoping you would be doing some signings in Toronto since it is so close by and all. :) view post


posted 01 Jan 2006, 16:01 in Author Q &amp; AAspect-Emperor status by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Happy New Year! view post


posted 08 Jan 2006, 21:01 in Author Q &amp; ADo we have a date? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I was hoping to pick it up on the 1st as well, but then again now it comes out the day before my birthday so...happy birthday to me from Scott! view post


posted 13 Jan 2006, 00:01 in Author Q &amp; ADo we have a date? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well imagine my surprise. I went into an Indigo's today just to browse around and TTT was there staring me in the face! So I of course now have it. No idea if this was an error on their part or it was simply released a week or so early. view post


posted 13 Jan 2006, 00:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtTTFT Available Now In Canada by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, picked mine up today. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw it on the shelves since I didn't expect it until the 20th. view post


Just finished TTT posted 14 Jan 2006, 04:01 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Just finished TTT, which I picked up yesterday and wow. Absolutly amazing Scott thank you for a great conclusion to The Prince of Nothing. Of course now I am hungering for The Aspect-Emperor. *WARNING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION IS SEMI-SPOILERISH* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kellhus' ability and his sheer transcendance of other Sorceror's left me awestruck. Which leads me to ask, does his intellect lead him to surpass even the greatest of Nonmen Sorcerors? view post


posted 16 Jan 2006, 04:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousandfold Thought discussion *Spoilers* by Entropic_existence, Moderator

As far as I know it's officially released in Canada, at least in English so I think discussion is fine. As long as people know this thread contains spoilers that is. I will say that the book is amazing, I read it in a little less than two days, just ripping through it. I was like a crack addict I couldn't put the thing down. I'm know pouring my way through the glossary which is quite good. view post


posted 16 Jan 2006, 17:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousandfold Thought discussion *Spoilers* by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think it does deliver on the battle, but in a different way from what I was expecting. Not to give anything away about the battle itself but the style he used (rapid changing back and forth of various perspectives) made it feel fast paced and epic in my opinion. I thought it was very well done. view post


posted 17 Jan 2006, 02:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousandfold Thought discussion *Spoilers* by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Aldarion - Indeed, I was under that impression as well. I also have a question or two concerning Maithanet. view post


posted 17 Jan 2006, 03:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtTTFT Available Now In Canada by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I have a feeling "The Aspect-Emperor" is still some time away. Bakker has another book he is currently trying to get published. I don't know if he has even started writing AE yet or not. view post


Glad to see we have this forum posted 17 Jan 2006, 23:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

So, first off. Wow. TTT was truly amazing. So, since we know that Maith' is Moenghus' son he is 1/2 Dunyain in the sense of breeding/genetics. Obviously he has limited potential (Moenghus himself said this) but also, what was the environment of his training? I would think that the environment would have had a rather large impact on this as well. One of my personal favourites is when Kelhus uses two inutterals to transform a Cant of Calling into a means of teleportation, and how he employed that in an amazing way to defeat the Cisharuim almost single handedly. view post


posted 18 Jan 2006, 05:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

One of the most interesting things is that Kelhus now has the Mandate firmly at his side, as well as the Thousand Temples. Plus Sorcery is now no longer a sin in the eyes of the Inrithi. It will be very interesting to see how this will all play out. I think one of the great benefits of how Scott has chosen to lay out this tale is that when next we visit Earwa in The Aspect-Emperor, roughly twenty years will have elapsed since the end of The Thousandfold Thought. I don't say Maithanet as a Dunyain tool, well... he was in a way but I think he is at least semi-cognisant of his origins, given that he could see the Skin Spies as well, Moenghus must have given him some semblance of training I believe. Kelhus can no longer really be described as simply a Dunyain monk. His journey through the outside world has fundamentally shaped him to the point where not everything is merely superstition. Sorcery and the Outside do exist, as do Agents of the Outside. He has become more. I think this has taken him further down the road towards the Dunyain's ultimate goal. Will the Dunyain re-enter the picture down the road? I hope so. It is an exciting yet terrible idea all at the same time. Imagine if all of the Few among the Dunyain were trained as Gnostic Sorcerors by Kelhus. A group of Philosopher-Sorceror-Monks, it would almost be as scary as the Consult and the No-God in some ways. :) Guess we'll just wait and see. view post


posted 20 Jan 2006, 15:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, Scott had stated a few times (at least in the Ask the Author board) that The Prince of Nothing covers the Second Holy War. The Aspect Emperor will jump ahead twenty years to the opening of the Second Apocalypse (I believe). So in the next books, whenever they come, we will see more of the Consult, the Inchoroi, and the No-God. view post


posted 21 Jan 2006, 18:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, Iw as the one who made the comment about the Dunyain getting the Gnosis. I also said it would be a damned frightening thing :) Not necessarily good, just interesting. view post


posted 25 Jan 2006, 15:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

A few things to reply to: Yes Scott is a student of Philosophy, he was/is persuing a Ph.D in the subject. The Metaphysics of the world, in my opinion, are very well thought out and interwoven with some of the more "traditional" conventions of fantasy. (i.e. gods, etc) On Kellhus: Yes, Kellhus killed skin-spies willy-nilly. Skin Spies are ultimately limited creations of the Consult, they are good weapons but when you can see them for exactly what they are their prime advantage, hiding in plain sight, is gone. Kellhus did not go "toe-to-toe" with an Old Name. Aurang was inhabiting a shell at the time, as Achamian warned Kellhus Aurang was only capable of using Glamors, etc while inhabiting that shell and look at what he still managed to do. His Glamors and tricks managed to have Kelhus briefly lose control of Legion. I think that is a pretty impressive feat. Even when Aurang is inhabiting the Synthese as a shell he is no where near his full power. Wait until he goes up against the Inchoroi in his true form. They both have the Gnosis, obviously Kellhus appears to be able to master it in a different direction with his superior analytical mind but I'm still not convinces he is going to be utterly invincible. I'll have to re-read that final battle against the Cishaurim but I don't recollect seeing anything to suggest he was immune to Chorae. A few other things: -The Ancient North had several powerful Gnostic Schools. Will the Mandate absorb the other schools or otherwise teach the Gnosis to existing Angagic Sorcerors? Maybe but this isn't a given by any means. -Unified under the Aspect-Emperor the Three-Sea's will probably be better unified militarily for the Second Apocalypse than the Ancient North was during the first, but remember Sranc control half of a continent and during the First Apocalypse the No-God's call brought in the bulk of the Sranc from elsewhere in the world. I think the Consult will have a truly massive army to put on the field when the time comes. Sranc will darken the horizons and carpet the fields so to speak. Plus we have Bashrag and Wracu (although there apparently aren't very many Wracu left) to factor in as well as the Consult Generals (Gnostic Sorcerors), the Non-men Erratics, and the two surviving Inchoroi as well as whatever other creations they come up with. (I'm still expecting more than one surprise.) -The Scylvendi are a wild card. They may be men but they fought under the banner of the Consult and the No-God during the First Apocalypse. Lokung is the No-God, so will they side with their dead but ressurected God this time around as well? I have a feeling they will. view post


posted 25 Jan 2006, 21:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Grallon":1pomx2sn] I didn't say the cosmology wasn't coherent or plausible from Earwa's inhabitants point of view. But this is a primitive world whose understanding of the universe is limited. My point was that it isn't credible for the Inchoroi, who are amoral materialists through & through, to buy in all this cosmology. They *are* from the outside - they know better. Why would they start fearing for their souls just because they landed on that particular world ?! G.[/quote:1pomx2sn] The idea that led to the first Apocalypse, about Redemption of the Soul by sealing off the world from the Outside, was that of the Mengaeda (sp?), the Gnostic School of Human Sorcerors who would become the bulk of the Consult. While Earwa may be primitive in many cases, I think their understanding of the way things work is relatively sound. Perhaps it is a case where belief shapes reality. We do know their are Agencies in the Outside who will prey upon or Redeeem mortal souls when those souls pass to the Outside. I'm not sure if the Inchoroi fear for their own souls, I'll have to go back through TTT on a more thorough re-read for that or perhaps ask Scott in the Q&A section of the forum, or whether it was simply their knowledge that led to the Consults ideas. The Inchoroi definitly have a better understanding of the Outside and the way things work, perhaps, if the Inchoroi do fear for their souls it is because they know that be coming to Earwa they are subject to the same rules. While they are in a sense amoral (I don't really think they are amoral their world view/morality is just totally alien to ours), and they know that souls are subject to the Agencies of the Outside, they would do what they can to prevent damnation. From what I have understood there are essentially three things that can happen when you die: 1)Your Soul fades into Oblivion. 2)You are "damned", and your Soul taken to be eternally tormented by the crueler forces of the Outside 3)You are Redeemed. One of the Benign Agencies of the Outside takes your Soul under it's protection. If we assume these are all very real cases, which it is my understanding that they are, and that the Inchoroi have souls (they work Sorcery so they must have Souls) then upon their deaths, when their Souls again pass into the Outside, they are subject to the same rules as everyone else. They hope for Oblivion because there is no chance for Redemption in the conventional sense. They passed through the Outside in some sort of craft for lack of a better word so I do not think they are native Agencies of the Outside, they simply travelled through it. :) Anyway thats my take on the whole thing from what I read, that was sort of rambling anf incoherent in parts but that is what happens when I write as I am thinking. view post


posted 26 Jan 2006, 00:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well, even the Non-men believe in the Outside and the Agencies that reside there, so I do think that the cosmology is real :) At least with the way Scott has talked on the Q&A forum I have no reason to doubt it anyway. view post


posted 26 Jan 2006, 06:01 in Author Q &amp; ACorrespondences by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There are a few threads in this section talking about his inspirations. Dune and the Crusades seem to be two favourites of Scott's :) view post


posted 26 Jan 2006, 21:01 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thanks for the reply Scott, I am not very eagerly anticipating The Aspect-Emperor. view post


posted 26 Jan 2006, 21:01 in Tour and Signing InformationAny tour news? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Ack, in Toronto on the afternoon I am suppossed to go to Missisauga and do a Linux install for a classmate. Fate is a cruel mistress. :) view post


posted 28 Jan 2006, 03:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think one of the most important parts of the meeting between Moenghus and Kellhus is to show us a few things. One was that the Dunyain aren't all seeing. Moenghus ended up going down the wrong path ultimately, the road he chose was a dead end. Another is that Kellhus has transcended the Dunyain to such a degree that one could argue he is no longer truly Dunyain. Whether this means he has stepped further along the path of the Dunyain, or stepped out of that "track" altogether remains to be seen I think. The confrontation I think ensured that we'll still be on our toes for The Aspect-Emperor as to what role the rest of the Dunyain will ultimately play. view post


posted 28 Jan 2006, 04:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

rycanada summed it up in a manner similar to how I would have, although I don't see it really as an alternate dimension, I see the world and the Outside as being a little more tied together than that but it is a useful analogy all the same. As for Achamian's survival... I'm pretty much stumped. :) Something happened and I'm hoping it may be explained later, if not sometimes a little mystery is a good thing, it fules speculation and debate after all. :) A note on Iyokus, I'd have to check TWP again but I'm pretty sure he had summoned Demons before, I don't know if anyone could be a relative expert of the Daimos without that. I thought it was the fact that he had summoned such a powerful demon, one with some "authority" and such in the Outside. Ensuring that that particular demon, or one of his kin or clan or whatever, would be sure to snatch his soul when he died. Some discussion on the world. Yes Scott has attempted to craft a fantasy world that is intrinsically realistic, but it is still epic fantasy. Sorcery operates on a very, very metaphysical level. We have the Few, and the Onta, and those who deal with Sorcery are "bruised" aka the Mark. We have seen direct agents of the Outside, Demons. They are not "aliens" in the sense the Inchroi are, this is quite clear. Earwa is a fantasy world that draws alot of inspiration from our own, the realness of the world is because Scott didn't want another cookie cutter young man becomes king type of fantasy. He wanted to convey something gritty and real while remaining in the scope of the fantastic. I think he ha sachieved this quite well. I for one fully enjoy the philosophical aspects of the series, it's the reason why TDTCB hooked me so thoroughly. :) And please folks, lets remain civil shall we. view post


posted 28 Jan 2006, 04:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtExplanation for Achamian's survival?? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I'm entirely perplexed by Achamian's survival, but it is a good perplexed. It makes me want to know. Iyokus is definitly alive and the head of what remains of the Scarlet Spires it would appear. As to the Old Name, not sure what the secret is but perhaps the child is one of the Few and the Old Name is going to raise a new Consult Sorceror. :) view post


posted 29 Jan 2006, 00:01 in Author Q &amp; ACishuarim by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Your question on the Cishaurim can be answered from TTT's encyclopedic glossary. So since that is semi-spoilerish I won't answer it for you. :) The Scarlet Spires were important for several reasons: 1)They are the most powerful School in the Three Sea's 2)The Imperial Saik are part of the Nansur Empire, and ultimately beholden to the Emperor. The Temples didn't want to give any more power to the Empire than they had to. The Myusanai may be a "major school" but they are probably one of the weakest. Given that they are also mercenaries it makes their loyalties somewhat suspect. 3)By contracting the Scarlet Spires you also ensure that the full might of High Ainon is on your side 100%, that helps too As for the third, only Scott can answer that :) view post


posted 30 Jan 2006, 22:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDELETED by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I thought the appendices were everything they were promised to be, which was a referece for all of the names that pop up as well as historical information. As far as I know, from what Scott has mentioned before, is that he never created an alphabet. The one that appears on the covers was done by the artist who makes the covers and I'm unsure if it was actually worked out as to what links up with what as far as actual phonetics, etc goes. But yea you would need to ask Scott about that one to know for sure. view post


posted 30 Jan 2006, 22:01 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousand fold thought ultimately flawed? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It's not necessarily a matter of believeing his own lies. He did experience, let's call it revelation, when he was hung upon the tree. He does believe he was communicated with, etc. He doesn't necessarily believe everything he tells others but he does believe that he is more than the Dunyian, more than other men. view post


posted 01 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q &amp; ARPG? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I had considered making a home brew d20 version of the setting but I don't think I'd be up to the task :) I would never feel it is good enough heh. view post


posted 01 Feb 2006, 23:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDELETED by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I wouldn't either, but I'm not holding my breath. :) Scott is a busy guy after all. I am hoping the alphabet makes it up onto the website eventually though. view post


A TTT question -possible spoilers inside, you've been warned posted 02 Feb 2006, 00:02 in Author Q &amp; AA TTT question -possible spoilers inside, you've been warned by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Ok, just figuring I would post this here since it is a debate we've been having over on the TTT spoiler forum Ok, it's entirely possible this may be material you plan on exploring in AE or future books, in which case feel free to say so Scott. We've been wondering about a few things that involve the backstory of the Inchoroi. 1)What was the Inchoroi's knowledge of Sorcery before they came to Earwa? Did they already know some manner of Sorcery or did they rely solely on the Tekne and only gain knowledge of Sorcery, and begin to use it, after their arrival. 2)The Inchoroi travelled to Earwa from the Outside correct? presumably from another world (at least that is my assumption since they appear to have arrived in a space craft). Do the Inchoroi have a fundamentally better grasp of the nature of the Outside and of the metaphysics that your setting are bound by? What made them realize, and when, that their souls would be subject to Damnation after their deaths? Is this Damnation related to Sorcery or are they Damned for what they are (and their appetites) anyway? view post


posted 02 Feb 2006, 04:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Grallon":2cyvh6rd] This sealing business simply makes no sense. Either God exist and you're damned no matter what you do - or if you can actually avoid damnation then there's no God. Again, from Aurang's own musings, his people didn't seem to have had any previous experience of damnation before being stranded. [/quote:2cyvh6rd] There are many agencies in the Outside: Gods, demons, etc. The belief is when you die one of three things happens to your soul: 1)Oblivion 2)Damnation (tormented at the hands of nasty agencies of the Outside) or 3)Salvation (through the direct attention of a God or the intervention of one of your ancestors) It appears that the Inchoroi have discovered (or are actively lieing to use the Consult for unknown ends?) That the Gods, etc only have influence over Earwa because mortal souls act as "windows" to the Outside. [quote="Grallon":2cyvh6rd] You know, the one thing that grabed my attention when I first started reading the [i:2cyvh6rd]Darkness That Comes Before[/i:2cyvh6rd] was how realistic fantasy could be made: mythical creatures created by genetic manipulation, Khellus' superior abilities explained by his training, the Ennemy as aliens from another world. Even sorcery could be (could have been) rationalized without calling upon metaphysical speculations. [/quote:2cyvh6rd] For some reason it just seems to me that you were taking the book in a completely different light from how I was. Yes it was a dark, gritty, and intrinsically realistic fantasy... but it was still a fantasy. We had talk of Sorcery and Philosophy and Metaphysics right out of the gate. The Prince of Nothing has been incredibly tied in with metaphysical concepts from the first book and through the second, they've always been there. And Scott has been up front in saying on this board that TTT would delve directly into the metaphysics that make sorcery possible. Sure there is probably a hereditary/genetic basis for the Few (Scott has alluded to as much I believe) but Sorcery has still been a metaphysical concept in his world. view post


posted 02 Feb 2006, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Grallon":ixg0pcnf] You seem to forget the Inchoroi also have souls since they can work sorcery - henceforth they're condemned to be damned - no matter how many of the vermins they kill. It takes but one hole to let the Outside's influence through and both Aurang & Aurax are such holes as far as we can determine. G.[/quote:ixg0pcnf] Except the Inchoroi have postulated that there is some sort of "critical mass" effect. There have to be enough windows for the Outside to have influence. Remember there are only two Inchoroi left and the Consult probably isn't that numerous. The Scylvendi were on the side of the Consult during the Apocalypse but presumably either they would be exterminated afterwards or their numbers are not enough to tip the balance. Certainly there are not that many members of the Consult. I am sure creations such as the Sranc, Bashrag, Wracu, etc do not have souls so they are of no concern. As the Consult/Inchori have said, kill enough Men/Non-men and it seals of Earwa from the influence of the Outside, from that point on whenever they died their souls would fade into Oblivion, the Outside would have no hold. view post


posted 03 Feb 2006, 21:02 in Author Q &amp; ARPG? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well Earwa itself originated as a campaign world for DnD that Scott created as a DM back in his Dungeons and Dragons days :) So doing it in the D20 system is a natural extention of that I think. If the authors of such a campaign guide decide to stay as true as possible to the literature things would work fine. view post


posted 03 Feb 2006, 21:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Grallon":1k08tlkm][quote="rycanada":1k08tlkm]...You haven't made any rejoinders. [/quote:1k08tlkm] [quote:1k08tlkm]...It *is* incoherent to postulate the existence of metaphysical superbeings, as evidenced by their influence through the agency of sentient underbeings, while at the same time making said influence, ergo said deties' very existence, contingent on an arbitrary number of souls. [/quote:1k08tlkm] Re-read this phrase please - my answer is there. a) there exist a metaphisycal reality known as the Outside (first postulate); b) we know it exist because of the use of sorcery (second postulate proving the first - or - in other words - the cause proved by its effects); c) after demonstrating A by B the author proceeds to tell us that in certain circumstances B can cease being true (through the elimination of x number of souls); d) so logically - if B can be made false than A becomes mere speculation - since one hinges on the other - thus: e) if A is not [i:1k08tlkm]always[/i:1k08tlkm] true - then the whole philosophical construction (damnation/redemption) based on those postulates crumble. G.[/quote:1k08tlkm] Well, I don't actually agree with your C. The situation being described isn't saying that the Outside would cease to exist, it is saying the Agencies of the Outside would cease to be able to exert influence on Earwa the way they do now. That changes the rest of your postulates after that point because it is a completely different situation and metaphysical construct. It is of course entirely possible that the sealing of Earwa would result in Sorcery no longer becoming possible. So the way I am reading the theory, what you seem to have the bone of contention with no longer exists. The Sealing of Earwa would not cause the Outside to cease to exist, it would simply seal Earwa from the influence of the Outside. view post


posted 03 Feb 2006, 22:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I think that what Kelhus did to Achamian in order to get the Gnosis may have a larger role to play than suspected, perhaps it "awakened" something of Seswatha within Achamian. And as someone pointed out above, it wasn't Celmomas in that dream sequence it was the other High King who ended the Second Apocalypse by killing the No-God with the Heron Spear. :) view post


posted 04 Feb 2006, 04:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well we know Kelhus uses something similar to hypnosis in order to bring Seswatha to the fore of Achamian, so that somehow Seswatha's permission could be given in order for Achamian to give up the Gnosis. Otherwise no matter how much he believed it was the right thing to do Achamian was physically incapable of doing so. Given Kelhus' incredible knowledge of human psycholohy, and the fact that any means of hypnosis can be potentially quite powerful in affecting the psyche, who knows that the ramifications of that act could be. All of the Mandati are imprinted with Seswatha to some degree, it may be possible the hypnotic trick made Achamian even more of a "vessel" than he was previously view post


posted 05 Feb 2006, 22:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mithfânion":2u7ll50a] On another note, what was it that Seswatha told Celomos's son that he would find in the heart of Golgotterath, the thing that led him to go there? Clearly he didn't know he was searching for the Heron Spear, so what was it...?[/quote:2u7ll50a] You mean when they both went into Golgoterath? They kept mentioning her. It wasn't a thing that Celmomas' son thought they were going to retrieve, it was his wife/lover I believe. She had been taken by the Sranc and in order to get the great hero to travel into Golgotterath with him to retrieve the Heron Spear Seswatha deliberately tricked him. view post


Re: Questions that haunt me after just reading TTT. posted 05 Feb 2006, 22:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions that haunt me after just reading TTT. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mithfânion":1gp8twjy]From a rather breathtaking 100 final pages, which I just read. Obviously, major spoiler to follow...... First I have to state the things that I couldn't figure out. Let me know your thoughts please. 1) Why does Moenghus have to die, according to Kellhus? Why does he do it? I've read the section a couple of times but I do not get a proper explanation. I guess the closest I come to is that Kellhus fears that Moenghus wishes to take his place and become Aspect Emperor instead, but Kellhus then speaks of "apocalyptic conspiracies" and " a counterfeit war against Golgotterath". Is he saying that Moenghus was or would have been in league with the No-God? Because given everything else we hear, that would be absurd. Moenghus strongly opposed them as much as he could, that much is clear. So why kill him? [/quote:1gp8twjy] From what I undestood, and from discussion here in this forum, Kellhus comes to the conclusion that logically the Dunyain's goals and the Consult's goals would ultimately be the same. If the Outside does really exist then in order for the Dunyain to fulfill their mission than the Outside's influence must be removed from Earwa. In essence the Outside is a wild card variable in their great equation. It can never be accounted for and so it must be removed. If the Consult is right the influence can be removed by sealing Earwa. The Dunyain would ultimately adopt the Consult's aims as their own. [quote="Mithfânion":1gp8twjy] 2) I simply cannot see how Moenghus dies. Kellhus has stabbed him. Cnaiur comes to him, and the following happens: *Cnaiur admits to loving him, and kisses him on the mouth after Moenghus says he needs his strength. *Cnaiur graps into his breeches and Moenghus gasps, jerks and spasms as Cnaiur rolls out the chorea across his cheek.White light flares from Moenghus' sockets. [i:1gp8twjy]"But then his lover fell away, burning as he must, such was the force of what had possessed them".[/i:1gp8twjy] *Cnaiur cries out "not again!" , "how could you leave me?". What I don't get is: a) How does Moenghus die? Is it the Chorea? b) If it is the chorea, why does Cnaiur bring it forth if he doesn't want Moenghus to die? c) What does Moenghus need from Cnaiur anyway that requires his strength? I just don't get that part . Does he need Cnaiur to give him air? It seems odd that Moenghus would ask that, knowing he was about do die. This whole section is an unsatisfying blur to me. [/quote:1gp8twjy] I was a little confused too but remember, Cnaiur is nearly consumed by madness and obsession. He does kill Moenghus, because he must and he does do it with the Chorae. He was already wounded by Kelhus, probably so that it would even be possible for Cnaiur to kill him. Yes Cnaiur is upset for Moenghus for "leaving him" even though he is the one who killed Moenghus, he is quite mad by this point, so it is no surprise he views things in such a skewed manner. (when I was first reading it I actually thought Moenghus had pulled out the Chorae and not the other way around, just the way it was written was a little ambigous/clumsy) [quote="Mithfânion":1gp8twjy] 3) Why does Achamian survive? No explanation is given for this. The Ciphrang beats him and then drags him away into the sky. How does he survive? Or rather, why? If it is as the Ciphrang says and it is only an eye that he came for, as per his Summoner's intstruction (Iyokus), then why does he not lose one? 4) Why did the Ciphrang go to the tent in which Little Moenghus lay, the one guarded by the single Hundred Pillars guardsmen? Presumably to ask after Achamian's whereabouts, as he later does, but the whole scene seemed rather odd to me. 5) Any idea what the secret could be that the Inchoroi Synthese (Aurang) tells the little boy? [/quote:1gp8twjy] No real idea on any of these. [quote="Mithfânion":1gp8twjy] 6) On another note, what was it that Seswatha told Celomos's son that he would find in the heart of Golgotterath, the thing that led him to go there? Clearly he didn't know he was searching for the Heron Spear, so what was it...?[/quote:1gp8twjy] He told him that his lover/wife or whatever who had beent aken by the Sranc was there and alive. He needed to get him there under false pretenses because he wouldn't have undertaken it for the Heron Spear. view post


posted 05 Feb 2006, 22:02 in Author Q &amp; ABashrag by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Like the Sranc, Wracu, etc they are creations of the Inchoroi through the Tekne. Personally I sort of envision them in much the same manner as the Balrog from the Lords of the Rings. Giant, humanoi, demonic creature (can't remember if it said if they had wings or not.) Their little twist is that their limbs are all like three limbs fused together into one or something, at least thats how the bone structure is set up. Pretty bad ass. :) view post


posted 05 Feb 2006, 22:02 in Author Q &amp; ASpoilerish question regarding Sorcery by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mithfânion":33b1xqis] What is meant by this? What does Moenghus lack that other Cishaurim don't?[/quote:33b1xqis] As a Dunyain he has no real passion, and so has been unable to progress past a certain level of Sorcery. He has been able to get to a certain level, but he is inherently crippled. He is respected because of his intellect, which hasn't helped him in Sorcery but he is still regarded highly as a philosopher type. view post


posted 06 Feb 2006, 21:02 in Author Q &amp; ABashrag by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="zarathustra":qkilg6bc]To use the Lord of the Rings analogy I tended to think of them as the equivalent of trolls. Scott is using his trick of sketching out a description before providing more detial in a later book. There isn't a glossary entry for them in my advanced readers copy version. I was wondering if there were many of them still around in the present Three Seas?[/quote:qkilg6bc] I don't think there are any in the Three-Sea's. There aren't even Sranc in the Three-Sea's proper really. Apparently the Wracu were pretty much decimated population wise during the First Apocalypse but there are definitly some still around. There may be some Bashrag in the remnants of the Ancient North and there are likely ones outside of the Earwa, in Eanna. Remember during the First Apocalypse the No-God called hordes of Sranc along with Wracu and Bashrag from outside the borders of the land of Earwa. As for my Balrog Bashrag comparison it was more just on the merits of physical appearance and not a comment on intellect at all. :) view post


posted 06 Feb 2006, 21:02 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="White Lord":2w7383fn]] Anarcane should be the opposite of "arcane", which in our context means sorcery. So anarcane ground should make it impossible for sorcery to function (an effect similar to that of Chorae?).[/quote:2w7383fn] Yea that is all that I got out of the Glossary, just that Sorcery would not work there. What I'd like to know is why? :) What happened there that caused it to be a "no Sorcery zone", it is it a completely natural phenomena or the result of some tragedy, etc. view post


posted 07 Feb 2006, 18:02 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'll definitly try to go to the U of T Reading Series event, they haven't put the details up on their website but I'll keep an eye on it. view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 13:02 in Author Q &amp; AA TTT question -possible spoilers inside, you've been warned by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thanks for the answers Scott, and the distinction between the Void and the Outside. And yes I agree with you on the mystery aspect. :) Thanks muchly view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 13:02 in Author Q &amp; ARPG? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The cool thing is that the D20 system is actually Open Source material, so you can use it without having to make yourself a slave to a particular company. Of course then you do need to make a certain amount of the product "open" but this usually applies to certain rules mechanics as opposed to content. view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 14:02 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Wow I just noticed one of my posts way back in this thread had a not thrown into it...making it say I wasn't eager for AE. That was a mistake lol, I am very eagerly anticipating AE. :) view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 14:02 in Author Q &amp; ANeuropath by Entropic_existence, Moderator

So Neuropath has the possibility of becoming a feature film? Wow... that would be awesome for you. Film, especially if it enjoys wide release and acclaim, has the habit of boosting the profile of your other works along with it. view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 14:02 in Author Q &amp; AA Prince of Nothing Wiki by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There is already a stub entry for Scott and The Prince of Nothing on wikipedia, perhaps it could be incorporated there? Extending the entry and creating linked pages when necessary. view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 14:02 in Author Q &amp; ASpoilerful question about the trilogy's end by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I had hoped to attend the book launch at Bakka bu unfortunately I had prior commitements that I couldn't get out of honourably. Planning on going to the Reading at U of T though, looks interesting. view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q &amp; ACnaiur (spoilers for TTT) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Pretty much all of the characters from The Darkness that Comes Before will be quite well aged by the time of the Aspect-Emperor, I'm actually quite eager to see how this will change people and what impact the next generation will play. After all little Moenghus will be 20, a man grown in his own right. The child of Kellhus and Esmenet will also be about 20 and fully grown... and half Dunyain in breeding. It should be an exciting time. The Scylvendi were on the side of the Consult during the First Apocalypse, I fully expect them to be during the Second as well, following their dead God. Of course I am fully prepared to be thrown a curve ball on this by Scott. :) view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, during the whole teaching story arc my anticipation kept building and building. And finally, when the Gnosis was unleashed by Kellhus for a moment I felt much how Achamian must have felt... as if he was standing in the presence of someone as close to the God as humanity could get. view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q &amp; AA TTT question -possible spoilers inside, you've been warned by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I guess I had simply assumed the consequences were real anyway, despite the materialist groundings of the series I always read it as fantasy, and so the metaphysical aspects I took as being just as much truth as the material view points. view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q &amp; AMaithanet (TTT Spoilers) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

He would have to be younger than Kellhus since he wasn't born until well after Moenghus' departure from Ishual. Maithanet was protrayed as a distant and mysterious figure for a reason, even when Achamian was in his presence when the Holy War was called we really didn't get that clear of a picture. Achamian's point of view was clouded, confused, tossed about, etc.. and so that is how we felt as well. I applaud the narrative style that left us in bewilderement until TTT for many plot points such as this. view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q &amp; AState of Canadian literary culture by Entropic_existence, Moderator

One one hand I think our national identity does consists of more than being different from the Americans (which is something that I agree with though :) ) but Canada has pretty much always had a struggle with identifying itself. I agree with the assesmnet that this has carried over into literature, cinema, and other avenues of art and entertainment. We are so focused on preserving Canadian culture that we are afraid to allow it to evolve. This will increasingly become a problem as time goes on. Culture is a living, breathing, and very organic thing... not something written in stone and never changing. view post


posted 08 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q &amp; AA question about NonMen TTT(semispoilerish) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thats the impression I was under, somewhere between 2-5 times the length of a human lifespan. It really is interesting to read about the Cuno-Inchoroi wars and the earlier days of the Nonmen. It truly is a tragic tale to see a mighty race that in a very real sense, was the architect of it's own ultimate downfall. I hope to see more of the Nonmen in AE, I am assuming we will see more of ones who have gone over the Consult just to be able remember something. view post


posted 10 Feb 2006, 05:02 in Author Q &amp; AA question about NonMen TTT(semispoilerish) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think you're right Mith, it's in some old thread on this board. Too lazy to go look for it but that number seems right to me. :) view post


posted 10 Feb 2006, 05:02 in Author Q &amp; AMaithanet (TTT Spoilers) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I thought one of the descriptions, or perhaps a conversation Achamian had with either Inrau or Proyas had commented on how young he was to become Shriah. I could be mistaken though. view post


posted 10 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtExplanation for Achamian's survival?? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think he means when someone names a Cant but it's one you haven't explicitly seen, which is pretty rare really. We've seen examples of almost all of the Cants mentioned barring a few, at the very least many are sort of self-explanatory from the name whether we see it used or not. As for what they physically look like well... of it is Gnostic is is pretty much always going to be composed of abstract light and dazzling geometries :) lol. view post


posted 10 Feb 2006, 19:02 in Author Q &amp; AA question about NonMen TTT(semispoilerish) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

We have nothing that suggests the Inchoroi are erratic, their perversions and manner is quite different from that of the Non-men Erratics from what we have seen. Remember that with the Non-men it isn't perversity so much as trauma that they seek out, because trauma makes a much more lasting impact on their mind, and they can remember those traumatic experiences. With the Inchoroi we see a much more instinctive seeming drive that makes them a "Race of Lovers." If something similar happened with the Inchoroi perhaps in the distant past (longer as far as the time between they made themselves immortal/longer lives than their normal life span and their arrival on Earwar than the time between their arrival on Earwa and now) they would have obviously overcome it so it was a much more natural state of being than that of the Non-men Erratics. My personal opinion, is that the reason for the Inchoroi's appetites is quite different from what drives the Erratics, but that is just my 0.02. :) view post


posted 10 Feb 2006, 23:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtExplanation for Achamian's survival?? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, when I was talking about Cants I was talking about Cants in general, not in relation to the Daimos. :) The Daimos is a particular sub-branch of the Anagnosis, but yea the Gnosis can summon Agencies of the Outside as well. view post


posted 10 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q &amp; AA question about NonMen TTT(semispoilerish) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It's entirely possible UnJon, but just from some of the insight we have had into the Inchoroi their memories seem relatively intact. But this is pure speculation on both our parts, perhaps Scott will give us an answer assuming the answer isn't a plot line that will be explored down the road at some point. :) As for your other question I am not sure. I assumed it was it's true form since it wasn't really in danger and also took place in the Ancient North. The physical description seemed quite "beautiful" and alien to me, which is why I suspected that it was Auran/Aurax's true form. view post


posted 10 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q &amp; ASome questions regarding Tryse, Cunuroi and Miracles by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Good questions as always Mithfainon, hope we get even a glimmer :) view post


posted 11 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtfuture of PON by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Scott has said Aspect Emperor will probably be a duology, but may end up as a trilogy like The Prince of Nothing, then there is a second Duology that he has mentioned as well. Not sure if that is the one that may take place during the First Apocalypse or not. Aspect Emperor will be roughly 20 years after TTT and is the story of the Second Apocalypse. view post


posted 11 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtfuture of PON by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well Neuropath is pretty much done, he's just shopping it around and doing some re-writes I think. As far as I know we might possible see AE before Neuropath, at least from what Scott has said on the Q&A board. Nice to know that we should see the opening of AE soon, as for the third duology/trilogy I was purely speculating. Scott has mentioned before an idea for a novel taking place during the First Apocalypse but that could be a completely seperate novel/set of novels. Who knows the world of Earwa could spawn many. many books and inter-related series. view post


posted 11 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtPixellated Map?!? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Sounds like mis-printed runs guys, I'd personally take it back and see about getting it replaced with another copy. My maps look fine. view post


posted 12 Feb 2006, 15:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtPixellated Map?!? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, like I said it looks like a book from a bad printing run. view post


posted 12 Feb 2006, 15:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yup, I definitly missed that. We know Mekeretrig was a great hero of the Non-men before hs betrayal, and really who can blame the Erratics for the depravities they sink to in order to be able to remember something over the course of their lives. I hope we see more of him because I do agree, he is a quite interesting character. view post


posted 12 Feb 2006, 15:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

And, as Scott has confirmed in the Q&A section of the board, there is a difference between the Outside and the Void. This pertains to the original debate of this thread. Yes the Inchoroi might want to go home, maybe but they have discussed making the world their Harem. That and there are only two of them left, Aurang and Aurax. I'm prettyr sure they have just as much concern for their own souls as the rest of the Consult does. view post


posted 12 Feb 2006, 15:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtfuture of PON by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Nope, mine always remembers me :) view post


posted 12 Feb 2006, 23:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlad to see we have this forum by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well, he may very well be... if he is wrong. It all depends on if he really IS an agent of the God now or not, he has lifted the prohibition on Sorcery meaning, as far as I know, that Sorcerors are no longer considered unclean. But they may still very well be Damned. As for Kelhus himself he is supposed to be a Shaman now, a Prophet who sings the God's Song with the God's own Voice. Sort of a Divine Blessing if you will to use Sorcery. Whether ths belief is metaphysically accurate in Scott's system is hard to say. view post


posted 12 Feb 2006, 23:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousandfold Thought discussion *Spoilers* by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Be sure to pop into the Spoiler forum we have going, alot of TTT discussion going on there. view post


posted 13 Feb 2006, 04:02 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Scott (or anyone else who may know the answer to this), I have never attended any of the U of T reading series before, is there generally time afterwards for autographs and such? I know they say there are autographed copies of the book available but I already have TTT :) view post


posted 13 Feb 2006, 22:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea it was his concubine, which is why I used lover :) Same thing heh. view post


posted 13 Feb 2006, 22:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Heron Spear by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="rycanada":293khr9g]It's some kind of Inchoroi energy weapon; it may have been able to cut through the strongest of the nonmen's magical defenses. I think it was described as killing with a beam of searing light. Remember that the Inchoroi developed the Aporos (construction of Chorae / Tears of God) around the same period.[/quote:293khr9g] The Aporos was developed earlier by a group of Non-men Quya, but it was outlawed. Eventually they found the Inchoroi interested in their work and developed the Chorae with/for the Inchoiroi/Consult. The Heron Spear is most likely a product of the Tekne, all we know is that it is one of their weapons of "light" and appears to be some sort of energy weapon. Scott was a little ambigous wbaout this in the Q&A section and said only that particle weapons of some kind might be possible. But we don't know exactly what it was. view post


posted 13 Feb 2006, 22:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions about Iyokus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think it was pretty clear from the progression of the books that Iyokus is the second most powerful figure in the Scarlet Spires, which is why he kept his position even though he was blind, which is a serious impediment to most Sorcery. But he still has the Daimos. In a one-on-one Sorcerous duel situation Achamian is going to take Iyokus hands down, it's basically impossible for any one Anagnogic Sorcer to stand against a Gnostic Sorceror. But if the Anagnoic Sorceror knows the Daimos, and has time to prepare well, things become a little different was was evident in TTT. As it has been said Achamian could take a Ciphrang one on one probably, but he was caught somewhat by surprise and just got done annihilated a ton of Nansur soldiers while going all out. view post


posted 13 Feb 2006, 22:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDunyain and Technology by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think it boils down to where their focus is. Their goal is to obtain the Logos and t become true self-moving souls, completely free of their human "animal" heritage. Technology would not help them achieve this and so it is not something I would see them investigating. That being said it was pointed out that Dunyain steel is superior to the steel work of the Three-Seas I believe so I wonder why they would keep up/improve that and not others. I guess it would probably boil back down to whether or not the persuit helped them in anway with their Mission. Might be a good question to put to Scott on the Q&A board. view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 02:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDunyain and Technology by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Like I said, I think it may boil down to whether the technology/scientific advancement/study will further their Mission. Eventually they would want to "enlighten" all of Humanity if possible. Their study of neuropuncture and faces furthers their understanding of other men, and how to control themselves and their own facial expressions, etc. These things further their mission. view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 02:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions about Iyokus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

We know Agencies of the Outside can be summoned via Gnostic Sorcery, but I think the Daimos as a proper noun only refers to the Anagnogic use as we see Iyokus doing it. Hmm some other observations: There are a variety of Demonic Species if you will, of varying power levels, and within those species (especially at the top teir such as Ciphrang) there are more powerful/influential individuals. Demonic Agents do NOT like being summoned. As a Sorceror you are already Damned, but if you practice the Daimos you are gaurenteed to be Damned, tormented for eternity by the very Agencies who gave you your power in life. Those are some of the observations I've made about the Daimos anyway. view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Heron Spear by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I've read the entries :) I have a feeling it may still be in the possession of the Scylvendi, meaning by the time of the Second Apocalypse it will likely be in the clutches of the Consult once more, as I am sure the Scylvendi will once again follow their god Lokung, the No-God. view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

One thing that Scott wouldn't answer for me, as it is relevant to themes to be explored in AE, was whether Kellhus' mastery of the Gnosis is greater even than that of the Non-men Sorcerors of old. We do not know if any of the Non-men ever devised or used a second inutterable string like Kelhus has managed to do because of his intellect. So while many things that saved Humanity during the First Apocalypse are no longer existant, there may very well be new discoveries to be made. I think this will be highly likely, but I am still thinking the Heron Spear will be an explored thread of AE. view post


Re: The Nonmen Quya (spoilers) posted 14 Feb 2006, 03:02 in Author Q &amp; AThe Nonmen Quya (spoilers) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Twayleph":1ljum2x0]Hi Scott, I have a few questions regarding the Quya in light of what we've learned from TTT. The Quya are a sorcerer-caste of the Nonmen, whose sorcery is about as deadly as the Gnosis.[/quote:1ljum2x0] Just wanted to point out at the Quya are Gnostic Sorcerors. It was the Non-men who taught the Gnosis to the Gnostic schools of the Ancient North. view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 03:02 in Author Q &amp; Awhat are the Inchoroi by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Inchoroi (as is known pre TTT) are an alien race who crashed something similar to a "space ship" in Earwa after travelling through the Void. The Sranc and Consult are agents of the Inchoroi, it can also be said that the Inchoroi are also part of the Consult, but I believe they are the upper caste. I don't want to say much more for fear of possibly treading into TTT territory. view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 18:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions about Iyokus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I guess it would depend on if the Daimos imposes an anthropomorphic form on the Agency summoned or if the Agencies of the Outside have some sense of self that corresponds to a physical form. If it is the former than I would expect the Gnosis to result in a different look, if there even was such a look. If it is the latter than I would not expect much, if any difference. Interesting observation and question UnJon. :) view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 18:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNostalgia: Fav part of the trilogy? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

When the Wathi doll comes to Akka's rescue is definitly one of my favourite scenes and I've added the entire end sequence of TTT to that list. Thinking the Holy War is about to be defeated, then it isn't, then it is... that whole last battle was a roller coaster ride that I thoroughly enjoyed. Oh and when Conphas got what was coming to him. :) view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 18:02 in Author Q &amp; AThe Nonmen Quya (spoilers) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Gotcha Twayleph, and you're absolutly right.. I'm also interested in the reply to this, we know the Warrior-Caste had quite a bit of power and the Quya seemed quite respected as well, so I wonder if there is some sort of social/religious stigma placed on Sorcery by the Non-men as well. It would make sense if there was, the fact that the Few can spot the Onta, and how... ugly the Onta can be I would speculate some negativity to become associated with it. view post


posted 14 Feb 2006, 23:02 in Author Q &amp; ACnaiur (spoilers for TTT) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Exactly Egaragoras, thats how I took it as well :) Although I was a hold out before I decided whether or not Cnaiur and Moenghus actually had a sexual relationship because I knew it would be made clear one way or the other in TTT :) view post


posted 15 Feb 2006, 14:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Architect = Shaeonanra / Shauriatas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

From the glossary: Architect: An epithet used by Skin-Spies to describe their Consult Makers When we saw it in the book it was being used specifically to refer to Aurang. view post


posted 16 Feb 2006, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mog-Pharau":3umoep50] As far as the hypnosis, perhaps Kellhus didn't speak to "Seswatha" at all. Maybe he just soothed Achamian's latent fears of giving him the power of the Gnosis. It's pretty murky, but I have a hard time accepting that the ancient sorceror is present in the Mandati in any form capable of conversation.[/quote:3umoep50] It wasn't Achamian's latent fears that prevented him from giving Kellhus the Gnosis, he literally couldn't do so of his own accord. It's something else, a fail-safe mechanism built into the Mandate through their ritual involving Seswatha's Heart, they are literally incapable of betraying the Gnosis, they need permission in order to do so. That is why Achamian was opening his mouth... and nothing would come out. Kellhus used the hypnotic trick to get around this. Seswatha is still a presence within each and every Mandate Sorceror, he preserved his consciousness, or at least an impression of his consciousness to be passed on to his followers, I really do think that this had something to do with what Kellhus did. view post


posted 16 Feb 2006, 16:02 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="H":1uqm832s]I completely agree with Mog-Pharau, the Heron Spear is probably the most powerful mundane weapon in existance. What i really wonder about is where the Heron Spear is located. I guess it's possible someone has it, but doesn't realize what it is, but i find that unlikely... My off the wall guess: it's somewhere in Zeum...[/quote:1uqm832s] The last time it was seen was when the Scylvendi carried it off. :) Of course that was quite some time ago, so it may or may not still be in their possession. view post


posted 18 Feb 2006, 04:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mog-Pharau":culixwux]If Seswatha was keeping him from speaking during the torture, I think that would have been made explicit. Achamian didn't want to give up the Gnosis to the Scarlet Spires, independent of whatever Seswatha may or may not have willed.[/quote:culixwux] From the section where Achamian is preparing to teach Kellhus the Gnosis: [quote="TTT p.140 (trade paperback)":culixwux]Achamian frowned, but he knew better than to counsel or contradict. Breathing deeply, he opened his mouth to recite the first utteral string of the Ishra Discursia, the most ancient and most simple of the Gnostic Cants of Calling. But for some reason no soung escaped his lips. It seemed he should be speaking, but something... inflexible had seized his throat. He shook his head and laughed, glancing away in embarassment, then tried once again. Still nothing. "I..." Achamian looked to Kellhus, more than baffled. "I Ccannot speak."[/quote:culixwux] Kellhus then declared it to be Seswatha, etc. Now, when I (and I think others) speak of Seswatha having and exerting influence, we aren't necessarily speaking of some spiritual manifestation... more of a remnant, an impression of his consciousness (although I wouldn't rule out something more) If Seswatha's heart and the binding ceremony imprints Seswatha's memories upon the Mandate Schoolmen it is reasonable to assume some remnant of his consciousness remained at the very least, as I said an imprint if you will. It is entirely possible Kellhu's explanation to Achamian was merely so he could get Achamian to submit to hypnosis to trick him into teaching the Gnosis but it is also logical, and fits with the theme of the books. Think about it, the Gnosis has never been betrayed by a Mandate Schoolman, under any torture since the birth of the Mandate several thousand years ago. It has also never, ever been betrayed willingly. I think the most reasonable explanation is that the Mandate Schoolmen are incapable of betraying the Gnosis and this is one more aspect of the binding ritual they undergo with Seswatha's Heart. view post


posted 18 Feb 2006, 04:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtPixellated Map?!? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Think about how many books are run off, it isn't unusual to get errors in mass producing anything, and trust me I bet there are tons of copies of Martin's books floating around with typographical errors in them. :) view post


posted 18 Feb 2006, 04:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Just a few pointers and observations to toss into the discussion: 1) There is a distinction between the Inchoroi and the Consult. Originally there were more than the two remaining Inchoroi who came to Earwa, but between the Cuno-Inchoroi wars and likely the First Apocalypse there are only the two remaining. The Consult grew out of a Gnostic School wh were led to Golgotterath (where it was sealed) by Mekeretrig. They studied under the remaining Inchoroi, and became the Consult. 2) It is not intelligent life that provided an access point to Earwa by Agencies of the Outside, it is creatures with a Soul. So far there are only three races that all have souls: Men, Non-Men, and Inchoroi (they wouldn't be concerned with damnation and redemption if they were soulless) Wracu, Sranc, etc do not have souls. Only one skin-spy was ever created with a Soul, and thus capable of working Sorcery. It of course infiltrated the Mandate :) As for the rest, why the Inchoroi came to Earwa, the relationship between the Outside and the rest of the universe, etc... I dunno. :) view post


posted 18 Feb 2006, 04:02 in Author Q &amp; AAkka and the Ciphrang - TTT spoilers by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thats about what I suspected, that the Ciphran was already dieing by the time it made it down to Achamian's Skin-Ward. That clears up some debate and controversy for us anyway. :) view post


posted 18 Feb 2006, 04:02 in Author Q &amp; AState of Canadian literary culture by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Personally I hate the whole nose in the air "serious literature" of the "big wigs" and experts. To my mind literature serves several purposes, one of which is entertainment or to pass on some sort of "history." Sure there is some garbage out there, but that is due to quality rather than content. Like you Scott, it just sort of irks me when the "snobs" automatically look down on genre fiction. view post


posted 18 Feb 2006, 04:02 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thats almost as bad as a RAFO! lol Shame Shame! view post


posted 18 Feb 2006, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

So the real question becomes... what kind of influence, how, and how is this going to affect Achamian. I know I'm not the only one who has observed the changes in Achamian (although any person put through what he has gone through will change) but the parallel between him and Seswatha is obviously intentional on Scott's part. It will be interesting to see more of him in AE as a 65 year old Wizards, outcast from his School for 20 years. view post


posted 18 Feb 2006, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well, we know the No-God was created, at least that is what we have been led to suspect. He is obviously sentient but we have heard him described as the Inchoroi's greates weapon. One important semantic distinction I would like to point out is that the No-God was never described as being Summoned... he was described as being Resurected. To me this is a very, very important difference and gives clues as to the nature of the No-God himself. One thing that that I noticed is during Seswatha's dreams, and during Kellhus' revelation upon the circumfix, is to me, the No-God's speech seems almost.... child-like. Aware of itself but unknowing of what it truly is. The repated "Look at me" "What do you see?" etc struck me as being fundamentally.... unknowing of it's nature and aspect, etc. Obviously he is intelligent, and summoned Bashrag, Wracu, and Sranc from outside of the continent of Earwa intentionally. But yea...not sure exactly where I was going just that I saw some sort of self-naivete if you will within the No-God. view post


posted 18 Feb 2006, 16:02 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Cuno-Inchoroi Wars would make a very interesting novel. I think we've pestered Scott about this a few times :) view post


posted 18 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

As a correction to my earlier post, I stand corrected. After re-reading several passages in TTT and the glossary I see that the No-God was described as being summoned, he will be Resurected for the Second Apocalypse. [quote author="H"]There's no evidence that i could find that says the No-God actually summoned Sranc (et, al), so much as they could feel his presence and were drawn to it. [/quote] In the Glossary description of the Apocalypse it is said that when the No-God was summoned, and first drew breath, the Bashrag, Wracu, and Sranc harkened to his call. Sranc at least, and likely Bashrag and Wracu had been present since the begiining of the Apcalypse, prior to the summoning of the No-God (the beginnings of the Apocalypse are called the Great Sranc Wars and the hordes are mentioned in the battles prior to the summoning) but when the No-God arrived, hordes of Sranc, Bashrag, and Wracu came, hearkening to his call, from all over the world. He is able to directly control these creations of the Inchoroi as extensions of his own will so I personally find it likely he actively called them, rather than they simply being attracted.[/quote] view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mog-Pharau":1hoptjwl] Second, it seems pretty clear to me that the Bashrag and Wracu, at least, are Inchoroi creations. The Bashrag seem to be three human bodies fused into one, while I think the Wracu are directly spoken of as creations. Or am I totally making this up? [/quote:1hoptjwl] The Sranc, Bashrag, and Wracu are all creations of the Inchoroi. The Bashrag were an attempt to counter the Non-men Siqu and as Scott has mentioned in a question on the Q&A section the only way the Inchoroi could make them string enough was by the fusing of skeletal structures in triplicate (at least for limbs and such.) In away Scott has said they are kind of analogous to Tolkien's Trolls. As someone else pointed out the Wracu seem to be the only one of these creations we have seen true distinct identities for. Hmm that is interesting. Anyway yea all three are Inchoroi creations. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="unJon":1op71js1]Uhhh...I don't see why you doubt it. The skin-spies that we have seen seem to be in fairly regular contact with the Synthese. And the skin spies seem to live for a very long time since the Inchoroi cannot make them anymore, so I would say that the skin-spy probably came from Golgoterwhatever where he was chilling with the Inchoroi bros. Who the hell else would have taught him the Gnosis? I suppose one of the non-men erratics might have. Who the heck else taught it Gnosis. We've already seen that the Mandate are incapable of betraying it even under torture to the death. And since the skin-spies only invaded the 3Cs about a dozen years ago, Simon was already a powerful Mandate sorcorer who knew the Gnosis.[/quote:1op71js1] The Synthese are vessels, creations of the Tekne that the Inchoroi (and perhaps Consult Sorcerors) can use to temporarily house their consciousness. Aurang was inhabiting the Synthese human headed crow during his time in the Three Seas. While inhabiting a Synthese though your Sorcery becomes quite limited. Remember too that the Consult was formed from a Gnostic School in the Ancient north, any human Sorcerors who are members (whether they are survivors from the Second Apocalypse with their lifespans unnaturally extended or perhaps new adherents) as well as the Non-men Erratics who also belong to the Consult all possess the Gnosis. It would not be necessary for Aurang or Aurax themselves to teach the one Skin Spy who had a soul the Gnosis, any Consult Sorceror could have done so. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Tol h'Eddes":17o0bmoq][quote="Entropic_existence":17o0bmoq]It will be interesting to see more of him in AE as a 65 year old Wizards, outcast from his School for 20 years.[/quote:17o0bmoq] I wonder if, after the pact Kellhus made with Seswatha, Achamian can teach the Gnosis to anybody... And would Achamian still be considered as a wizard if he created his own School?[/quote:17o0bmoq] He wouldn't be a Wizard if he created his own School but doing so would likely see him crushed before he could gain more than a handful of students I would think. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 03:02 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Shryke":2l6i68yg] Seems a fairly easy connection to make. This of course, sitll doesn't deal with why Seswatha went to find it BEFORE the No-God was summoned. But afterwords, the jump to using it doesn't seem like a hard one to make. [/quote:2l6i68yg] Remember that before the first Ordeal by Celmomas, Seswatha had been told by the Non-men that they feared the Inchoroi had retruned to Golgoterath from all over the world, where they had been scattered by the Non-men after the Cuno-Inchoroi wars. And the Mengeada (sp?) School (the Consult) and Inchoroi had resumed the dreadful work of the Inchoroi that was the No-God. The No-God was not a surprise, nor was it new. It had been something the Inchoroi had been working on for a very long time. So Seswatha knew in advance, and knew of the Heron Spear. I imagine that when he went to get the Heron spear there had already been something to tip him off that the Inchoroi/Consult were close to being able to summon the No-God and complete their work. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 03:02 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There has only been one Skin Spy with a soul, it was an aberation that the Consult was never able to replicate, one of those 1 in a billion chance kind of things. :) view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 21:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea Zarathustra, it was mentioned that the No-God's coming "broke the Great Cycle of Souls" which I think means exactly what you said it does, no new souls could enter the world which is why all births were still births. As a general rule creations of the Tekne are Soulless, if they did have Souls there would be a small number among them who could work Sorcery. It is absolutly necessary that to be able to work Sorcery one must also have a soul. Which is why Maithenet was gald that the Consult were never able too replicate what happened with that one Skin-Spy. It was unique in that it had a soul. Imagine Srance, Wracu, and Bashrag Sorcerors? *shudders* view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 21:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDunyain and Technology by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think if we see any technological advances from Kellhus it will likely be things that directly apply to warfare. More advanced seige weapons, better methods of forging steel, stronger methods of building fortifications, things like that. We've already seen that he can decipher better ways to do things like this with little effort. I would think most of his effort would be put into exploring the Gnosis. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 21:02 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mog-Pharau":19imcmmc]Really? I thought that the No-God kind of came out of left field. Can you cite something that shows that it was a long-known project of the Consult?[/quote:19imcmmc] I only have access to TTT right now (temporarily living somewhere for another few months and don't have the other books at hand until then) so I can't make the quotes for any of the passages from TDTCB or TWP and so don't have any direct quotes. But from reading through the glossary it makes sense to me. (After all it is specifically mentioned that Seswatha went for the Heron Spear before the No-God's appearance because he suspected it was the only means to defeat him, and I don't think the dates are accidental). Seswatha was also warned by the Non-men that they feared the Consult had rediscovered "dread and terrible" work, etc. For some reason I was always under the impression when reading the series that while the No-God's nature perhaps was not known in advance, they knew the Consult and Inchoroi were working on something specific to bring about the Apocalypse. Since Seswatha and the No-God are mentioned by name prior to the actual summoning of the No-God I can only assume those "in the know" had some knowledge of what the Consult was working on. view post


posted 19 Feb 2006, 22:02 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There could be any number of reasons I guess. There are usually only between 50 and 60 Sorcerors of Rank within the Mandate so a skin-spy knowing them all by sight isn't out of the question, but I do think it was more the skin-spy recognizing Seswatha within Achamian somehow. The exact mechanism well... for some reason I don't think Scott is going to tell us. :) view post


posted 20 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

No others with a Soul were found yes, there is always the possiblity there is another out there, but think of the odds. The Skin-Spy who did have a soul was an abberation, a freak. If the Consult had of being able to duplicate it knowingly we would definitly have seen more. So yes could there be more? Of course But it is the exception to the rule, rather than a defining case. view post


posted 20 Feb 2006, 00:02 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I would agree. However remember that the Synthese is also being inhabited by Aurang, so comparing a Synthese and a Skin-Spy, while both constructs of the Tekne, isn't quite that straight forward. But I would agree it is likely that the Skin-Spies can see Seswatha somehow within the Mandate Sorcerors. view post


posted 20 Feb 2006, 13:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well I disagree with the theory of Skin-Spies having souls simply because they are repeatedly described as Soulless. From TTT page 230 (trade Paperback): [quote:1of64sgs]"The creatuere will be transfered." she was saying. "These things have no souls for your Cants to compell... Other means are required."[/quote:1of64sgs] This is just but one example, I think Achamian at another point made the same assertion, and it was made several other time as well. But if the Cants of Compulsion will not compel them, it means they are soulless creatures. view post


posted 20 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think though that Kellhus (who figured out why Achamian couldn't give up the Gnosis), Achamian (a Gnostic Sorceror), Cnaiur (who has the insight of a madman), Maithenet (Half-Dunyain although his knowledge likely came from Moenghus) and the Scarlet Spires who all came to the conclusion that they are Soulless independently (or relatively independently) is sufficient evidence. Occam's Razor seems to apply to this for me, we all have various sources coming to the same conclusion for different reasons and different means. Is it possible that the Skin-Spies can not be Compulsed because of anothe reason other than Soullessness? Of course. But I think it is highly improbable. There likely would be an observable difference in not being able to use the Cants of Compulsion on a subhect due to it not having a Soul and the Cants not working because the Cants are being "blocked" by either sorcerous or non-sorcerous means. As No-God pointed out above Cnaiur's observation of their lack of individuality is probably the most telling clue. If your entire personality is based on mimicry, rather than any actual innate individuality, it is a good clue as to the lack of a Soul. This seems to be a theme through the Books as to the nature of a Soul. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well this isn't SF, it's Epic Fantasy that strives to feel real. It is an overtly fantastic world, but it is meant to feel like real history, much in the way Tolkien attempted with the Lord of the Rings... except this is Lord of the Rings on a really twisted and scary trip so to speak :) The FF9 comparisons are interesting, but I think that the world Bakker has given us is much, much more sophisticated and metaphysically complex. After all Scott is a philosopher as well as an author, and his world is built upon some pretty heavy philosophical ideas. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

You can't apply that as a blanket statement to either one, whether they believe or not is often far more complex. I think it is pretty clear that Kelhus does believe some of what he preaches, even if he embellishes, simplifies, and manipulates as a tool to achieve his own ends. But he set against the Consult now, so at least some of what they preach, they do honestly believe :) Some anyway.... how much is the real question :) view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

He did what he could to help the world period. By the time of the Apocalypse the Non-men were already a waning civilization and Men were the real rulers of Earwa. I don't really see Seswatha actively doing anything as a conscious choice of will (although it is plausible and only Scott knows for sure) I think it is more of an impression if you will, an imprint of being laid on each and every Mandate Sorceror. Something a little more hmmm basic and primal you could say that influences them (and prevents them from betraying the Gnosis). Achamian is becoming more like Seswatha, the question is whether or not this is a natural progression based on his experiences + the Grasping and having those memories and dreams or if it something more metaphysical, where the impression of Seswatha is actually becoming stronger and fusing with Achamian's own personality. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Self Moving Soul by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I don't think he has achieved this yet, I think that description is meant to be more symbolic or allegorical than literal. After all according to the Dunyain Kellhus could not be a true self moving soul, he believes in the Prophecy after all, and that is in direct conflict with the Dunyain vision of the Logos. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Kingmanor":8hx9pon0]I think the question we need to ask is HOW did the mandate skin-spy get the soul. Its my understanding that humans get their souls naturally somwhere between conception and birth. So where did the manufactured skin-spy get his? was it taken from another? And yes he may have been the only soulled skin-spy, but Aspect-Emperor will be 20 yrs later, and the Consult could create a bunch more by then.[/quote:8hx9pon0] For the how I'm going to go with Maithanet's own words/interpretation for now. It was an abberation and an accident, one which the Consult has never been able to reproduce. I think the quote Scott has made on the Q&A board before "It is the rare animal that gains a soul in Earwa" is a great clue. Humans naturally have souls, as do Non-men, but somehow...through pure random chance or a variety of factors, inhereintly soulless creatures can develop/gain a soul. As to specific how's and why's? I have no idea :) view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtExplanation for Achamian's survival?? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Gnosis is based on abstraction, which is why Gnostic Cants are refered to as the Abstractions. As opposed to the Anagogic sorceries which rely on Analogy to work Sorcery. The same effects can basically be accomplished by both, but the Gnosis is much, much more powerful. (And there are things achievable by the Gnosis that are not achievable by the Anagogic Cantas I am sure.) The Daimos is a sub-school of Anagogic Sorcery but Scott has mentioned on the Q&A board I believe that it is possible to achieve the same results with the Gnosis. Agencies of the Outside refers to all inhabitants of the Outside, be they gods, demons, etc. I see no reason why the Gnosis could not summon such an entity just as the anagnosis can. TWP and TTT are the big sources for info on Agencies and the Outside, the glossary for TTT is pretty good as well. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 16:02 in Author Q &amp; Ado chorea last by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Most human Sorcerors seem to need to be directly touched by a Chorae to be affected. It was said some of the Non-men Quya could not come within yards of a Chorae without becoming salt. The difference here would be the Quya have much longer lifespans than human sorcerors and similarly are much heavier Marked, making them more susceptible to the Chorae. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 18:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="unJon":24gdr0qh]I can't find the spot, but I believe that there is a point in TTT where Aurang laments that the Consult no longer knows how to make more skin-spies. Further devil advocate for skin-spies/souls: maybe the skin-spies don't have souls, maybe it is possible for a skin-spy to mimic a soul.[/quote:24gdr0qh] I think I remember Aurang lamenting that as well, as for the mimicing souls.... I think that would be a bit of a stretch. We've seen that the Skin-spies have no distinct personality of their own, meaning they are lacking in identity. As for the one example who did have a soul, it worked Sorcery so therefore it definitly had a Soul, no amount of mimicry would allow that. If by mimicing you mean by mimicying another's identitiy well, they do definitly do that and to the uniitiated there would be little difference. Metaphysically though, huge difference. view post


posted 21 Feb 2006, 18:02 in Author Q &amp; Ado chorea last by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, thats how I remeber it anyway view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 05:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="anor277":2igh5fzx] Of course, given what we read in the first two books, a skin spy should not be able to pose as a sorceror anyway; even in the novel this skin spy is represented as a rarity among rarities, and his inclusion was very disappopinting.[/quote:2igh5fzx] It was specifically mentioned as an aberation, and an aberation we would be glad the Consult never seemed to be able to duplicate. Personally I think it adds that much more depth to the metaphysics of the world, and shows that as always, the world of TPON is not cut and dry. Like the real world, there are always exceptions to the rule and more shades of grey than all of the colours of the rainbow. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 05:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhat should we have anticipated? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Personally I don't consider the Sorceror Skin-Spy a weak plot device at all, as I remarked in another thread I think it gives more depth and complexity to the world. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="unJon":9b08tjxs][quote="Entropic_existence":9b08tjxs]The FF9 comparisons are interesting, but I think that the world Bakker has given us is much, much more sophisticated and metaphysically complex. After all Scott is a philosopher as well as an author, and his world is built upon some pretty heavy philosophical ideas.[/quote:9b08tjxs] Actually FF games are also. I don't think that the comparison necessitates an insult. And to be fair, while PON is epic fantasy, there are SF elements to the story (space ship, void, light weapons, etc.) Think of Star Wars. It could reasonably be classified as SF, epic fantasy, and space opera.[/quote:9b08tjxs] Oh definitly, I completely agree, there is always alot of crossover between alot of series. I just wanted to stress that the symbology/methodology so to speak of Epic Fantasy is more at the forefront of PON as opposed to it's SF elements. And I meant no insult towards the FF comparisons (although FF was never my thing :) ) just pointing out that they are more hmmm superficial as in, on the outside they are similar but once you delve deeper the differences appearing make them more and more different. Hmm I know that came out weird but I think you know what I mean. :) view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhat should we have anticipated? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The biggest, absolute biggest thing here is ton understand that Scott reveals Earwa through the POV of characters, meaning that often what they know is not an absolute truth, it is simply what they believe to be true. This is crucial poiint to understand. The Skin-Spy with a soul is yet another illustration of the compelxities of the metaphysics (the rules) that govern the world. As Scott has said before on the Q&A board it is "the rare animal on Earwa that achieves a soul." While animals (skin-spies) and such are inherently soulless individuals, this does not mean that through chance, or through combined events/experience they cannot achieve self-awareness, identity, and a soul. All of these fit in perfectly with the theme of the novels as they were laid out throughout the series. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 22:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I can't recollect any direct quotes, but it was definitly the impression I was under. Also, if these creations did have Souls, they would need to be killed off as well for the Consult's plan to succeed. Since the removal of souled creations to some sort of critical mass would remove the influence of the Outside. Sranc, of the three, have always seemed to me to be completely driven by their urges as they were created, much in the same manner of the Skin-Spies, so their qualities lead me to assume that they too are soulless. Bashrag and Wracu I will admit we know too little about. I think the basic assumption I have made, is that creations of the Tekne are inherently soulless entities. view post


posted 22 Feb 2006, 22:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe most important question about the Skin-Spy with a soul by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think it has already sort of been made clear (at least to me as I read it) that the soul is intimiately tied with self-awareness and personal identity/sense of self. The Skin-Spy with a soul, to me, has also been a demonstration of the nature of the "cycle of Souls". While many entities are inherently soulless (the skin-spies, animals, etc) there is always the possibllity of it happening (a non-souled entity having a Soul). I'm not sure if this has to happen at "birth" or if it could happen at any point in the lifespan. I keep quoting it, but as Scott has said "it is the rare animal that gains a soul." So...rare but possible. :) I think for me it was an interesting and shocking moment. It rocked some of the foundations and assumptions that had been built. You thought... what if there are more? What would happen then. view post


A soulful question [WARNING: TTT Spoilers Inside] posted 22 Feb 2006, 22:02 in Author Q &amp; AA soulful question [WARNING: TTT Spoilers Inside] by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Ok Scott, this question has come about because of some debates we've been having on the TTT spoiler board, and a few questions that have popped into my mind from pondering them. Hopefully you can clarify a little anyway :) It seems to me that creations of the Tekne are inherently soulless, we've seen Skin-Spies declared this way, and based on observation in the book I can only assume the same can be said of Sranc, Bashrag, and Wracu (although to be honest we haven't seen enough of the Bashrag and Wracu to really be sure it's just something I assumed.). One of the things I've noticed (and hopefully I wasn't way off base) as that in TPON the soul is intimately tied into self-awareness and individual identity. The skin-Spies, are fluid in their identity because they have no soul for instance. Sranc seem to essentially be little more than clever beasts, etc. Of course one exception is that from the description we have had of Wracu they do seem to be very individualistic. So, do Wracu have souls? What of Bashrag and Sranc? I know you have said before "it is the rare animal that gains a soul"in Earwa, which I read to mean that while animals as a rule are soulless, the rare can indeed happen. I theorized that this same principle was what happened with the Skin-Spy who replaced Simas, it was an abberation that somehow came with. or otherwise gained a Soul more through luck than anything. So, if souls seem to be tied to identity how did this hinder the Skin-Spy who replaced Simas, after all if you have an firm identity of self as a creature with a Soul, would this not make it more difficult to shift and replace another being? Hope you can make answer some of these :) view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Kellhus probably developed translocation for more than just that reason, notice how he used it against the Cishaurim. Personally I think Kellhus was more worried about Cnaiur than the Skin-Spies during that meeting. I don't know if it would be completely absurd for a "main" character to be replaced with a Skin-Spy...again I think it would be another aspect of realism. No one is ever 100% safe, and people make mistakes. Those mistakes could lead to a relatively "big" character being killed and replaced. I definitly do not think the idea of it being possible is absurd at all. Also, the way it has be written into the saga's from what we know it would be a very slim possibility. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe most important question about the Skin-Spy with a soul by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I still fail to see how it contradicted logic in the book, it went against individual characters perceptions and beliefs and the revelation revealed to us that those perceptions and beliefs aren't always right. This is a tactic Scott has been using throughout the novels. If you didn't enjoy that that is fine, and I can respect that. But I really can't see an argument that is contradicted or went against the logic and metaphysics of the world in any way. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhat should we have anticipated? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Consult has come up with a plan to avoid being Damned, but they have hardly achieved it yet since the world still exists and humanity survived the First Apocalypse :) As I've said before, the Souled Skin-Spy did not violate any internal logic of the world, it went against what certain characters believed they knew. What characters think they know, the actual truth are often very different thing and this is a narrative device that Scott has employed effectively throughout the series. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtwhy can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think your recollections are right, and I hadn't remembered that. Might be a good question to ask Scott on the Q&A board but then again it may touch on things he wants to explore and reveal in AE view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It's possible more than Auran and Aurax survived the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars but were later killed during the First Apocalypse. As for the rest, all good ideas. Any Inchoroi we have seen mentioned by name in the TTT Glossary has always been seen as male, so perhaps they had no women with them even then, or even upon their arrival. As for doing it for avoiding Damnation... it seems like they had no women prior to the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars, and at least prior to the First Apocalypse. The idea for avoiding Damnation didn't occur until after the School of Mengeaca discovered the Ark and became the Consult if I remember correctly. All the rest... all food for thought :) I honestly have no idea but you've laid out some good theories. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtplucked out heart by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Scott has answered this on the Q&A board and apologized for the sequence being unclear. Kellhus didn't rip out his own heart (I can't remember if he said if it was Serwe's or no heart) but it was basically all a product of sleight of hand/stage showing or what have you. Basically it was a fake :) I'm too lazy to find the link to the exact thread where Scott described it but you should be able to find it on that board easy enough. ;) view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe most important question about the Skin-Spy with a soul by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Hehehe yea I know unJon, and I am fully prepared to be proven wrong on that score. Of course there is a slight difference in that I am relying on multiple observations and logic on the same thing. :) I've also posted a question on the Q&A board to Scott to see if he will be willing to shed any light on it. But like I said, if they are all souled so be it :) view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It was prior to the Apocalypse but much, much after the Cuno-Inchoroi wars. Those two events were seperated by at least a thousand years if not more I believe. (I Know they were seperated by a long, long time anyway since men had arisen to prominence from slavery by then.) view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in Author Q &amp; AA soulful question [WARNING: TTT Spoilers Inside] by Entropic_existence, Moderator

*nods to unJon* yea the Inchoroi definitly have Souls as well. And I have a feeling it may be possible to gain a Soul after being born but thats pure conjecture on my part :) view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 00:02 in Author Q &amp; AMass-Market Paperback by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The only thing that puts TPB's above MMPB's in my opinion is they tend to be a little more rugged and stay together better. Mass Market's read often enough do tend to get pretty ragged. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

well it was specifically mentioned as being thought up by the Consult, the Consult didn't exist during the Cuno-Inchoroi wars because the humans had not yet arisen to any status, and the Tutelage had not yet produced the Gnostic Schools of the Ancient North, one of which (The Mengaeca which I can nenver spell) would with the help of Mekeretrig find the Ark-of-the-skies, rediscover the Inchoroi's diabolical work, and become the Consult. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="unJon":3c0xutnd]You mean someone's possibly fallible POV thought it? :lol: If someone stumbles onto a page reference for that info, let me know. Thanks.[/quote:3c0xutnd] Nope, thats from the Glossary :) view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

So relevant entries and dates: Apocalypse Cuno-Inchoroi Wars Consult Dates: Mekeretrig reveals the location of Min-Uroikas to the School of Mangaecca in 777. Entry for the Mangaecca just data not word for word: -Founded in 684 -Shown the location of the Min-Uroikas (so named during the last 500 years of the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars) in 777 by Mekeretrig -Conduct excavations for the next several centuries -1123 rumours spread that Shaeonanra, the Grandmaster, had discovered a catastrophic means to undo the scriptural damnnation on Sorcery. -Banished and exiled to Golgoterath where they eventually became known as the Consult view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Then we shall agree to differ :) Like I said I can see a point for not liking it, but not for saying it defies internal logic of the novels as laid down by the author. It goes against a POV, which is entirely different. :) view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

True, I guess from a few of those I was assuming that it was a rediscovery but that the original discovery by the Inchoroi had come sometime during the Cuno-Inchoroi wars (remember that last 500 years of extermination was after earlier engagemnets) perhaps after they learned the Gnosis (which they did not know early on.) Of course they may have considered themselves damned prior to that due to their very nature. Another point, after the Inchoroi first crash landed, Cujar-Cinmoi executed the two survivors who had been brought to him summarily because of their vile aspect. That could have something to do with the later wars. But I will concede that the Cuno-Inchoroi wars were likely an initial fumbling attempt by the Inchoroi to wipe out the Non-men for the purposes of sealing the world. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 15:02 in The Thousandfold Thoughtplucked out heart by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well, since people thought that Kellhus had ripped out his own hear perhaps the "dripping blood" wasn't literal either, just something the viewers attributed to the event. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 15:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea it was either in one of Achamian's Dreams or in one of the Glossary entries but not sure which or a page number right now, but it was the exact wording used. As Anor pointed out a cycle doesn't need to imply reincarnation. Soulds do cycle through Earwa even if they aren't reused. view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 15:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Hmmm no nothing about the Scylvendi was mentioned in that context in TTT. I need to double check something but wasn't it mentioned somewhere that there were no live births during the Apocalypse even among animals or did I misread that? It would seem illogical (no new livestock would mean humanity would have starved after the first years of the Apocalypse) but if true would also negate Sranc giving birth as an argument for or against souls. I've asked Scott on the Q&A board about souls in regards to creations of the Tekne. I've just been under the impression, from various clues in the books, that these creations are inherently soulless. Of course Wracu do seem to have individual identities (as opposed to Sranc and possible Bashrag which don't seem tp) which could be a whole different thing. Anyway maybe Scott will clear it up a bit :) view post


posted 23 Feb 2006, 18:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I agree Twayleph, and the Scylvendi are human and, to my mind anyway, would apply to them as well. Also, just going by the quote it implies that the creations of the Techne are Soulless, since he specifically only mentions the Non-Men as being another souled species that would have been susceptible if not for the Womb-Plague. And thanks for finding that quote Twayleph, I think it is one of the ones I was thinking of but I wasn't quite sure in my mind which way it had gone :) It's also the source of the rare animal awakening on Earwa, which he had not touched upon at all but is sort of the same idea as with the Mandate Skin-Spy. At least for me anyway :) view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi Origins/Aims by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Definitly, I was more refering to it as another peice of the puzzle so to speak. I have a feeling that Skin-Spies and Wracu can't reproduce naturally, no real proof just a feeling I got from various things in the books. Bashrag not enough info but we know Sranc can. view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

H - It appears likely that they immortalized themselves in the same manner they did to the Non-men, and before they arrived in Earwa. view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 19:02 in Author Q &amp; AA soulful question [WARNING: TTT Spoilers Inside] by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well only one type of Sorcery is Gnostic :) I think it's pretty clear that you have to have a soul to even have the possibility of working sorcery. (I.E. To be one of the Few you must have a soul, but having a soul does not make you one of the Few.) The question I posted in the beginning of this thread is more to get a clear answer (if possible) as to what entities are inherently souled (i.e. all members of the species have a soul by default like humans, non-men, and inchoroi) and how the presence of a soul in the Mandate Skin-Spy made it different from it's non-souled bretheren. Obviously it was also one of the Few but I think that the soul and the nature of self-awareness/identitiy seem to be so tied together in the series that it would have additional ramifications. view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 19:02 in Author Q &amp; ABack-er or Bake-er? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I alsways assumed it was Bakker but I have no idea :) view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 19:02 in Author Q &amp; ASpoilerful question about the trilogy's end by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It's ok Kidruhil, I totally agree with you. :) The dark and gritty fascinates me more as a reader than the "happy ending." Sure I "root" for the good guy when I am reading but you know just once I'd love to read a series of novels where good doesn't triumph. Maybe I'm just a twisted cynic :) But I'd love to have the last chapter of a nice dark, gritty series involve the death of the hero and triumph of evil :) view post


posted 24 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtA poll on souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I went with option 2 as well. I think the Mandate Skin-Spy is the only example we've seen and I believe the creations of the Tekne to be inherently Soulless but Option 2 just seems to "fit" better for me. Liek White Lord said it is mainly based on gut feeling so to speak than direct quotes, etc. view post


Re: Questions regarding Conphas posted 24 Feb 2006, 19:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions regarding Conphas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mohajir":16kksj8r]Why was Ikurei Conphas removed? He was one of the most fascinating characters in the series. [/quote:16kksj8r] Well there are many reasons thematically and such I suppose, but he was removed because Bakker decided that that is what fit the story best. Scott has said before that he really enjoyed writing Conphas, because Conphas is an interesting character. But, in my opinion, that is hardly a reason to simply keep someone around. :) [quote="Mohajir":16kksj8r]Why did Cnaur turn down Conphas' forgiveness/generous offer? Conphas was offering him an army to eliminate Moenghus and Kellhus in a single stroke.[/quote:16kksj8r] Cnaiur IS mad, and although he built some respect for Conphas I think, he hardly likes the man. I can't pinpoint some exact reason but I just can't see Cnaiur being bought by Conphas, he would find it degrading. [quote="Mohajir":16kksj8r]Saubon's abrupt appearance and subsequent beheading of Conphas reeks of the "easy" way out for Bakker. I was expecting an alliance between those who stood apart from Kellhus' machinations...Cnaur, Conphas, Akka, and Proyas.[/quote:16kksj8r] Proyas didn't exactly stand apart from Kellhus' machinations :) He struggled a little bit but I'm pretty sure he fell for most of it hook, line, and sinker so to speak. :) While I think Saubon's arrival was fortuitous, I wouldn't exactly call it the "easy" way out. [quote="Mohajir":16kksj8r]How in the world did Conphas' army mutiny? The had never been exposed to Kellhus.[/quote:16kksj8r] I saw this coming, the army was loyal to Conphas above all but they weren't isolated from Kellhus completely. There were various other factors but I think it came doen to a loss of respect/believe in their general. view post


posted 25 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe most important question about the Skin-Spy with a soul by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Daw, good catch I didn't even think of that but you're absolutly right for some good reasons. And of course I agree with unJohn as I think my posts make clear :) I think it fits perfectly thematically with the world as we've seen it, and I'm a "world building whore" I could read a set of encyclopedia's about a new and interesting book world and be hooked :) view post


posted 25 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtA poll on souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Wow, I never even noticed that my board rating did change at 250. I got all new glyphs and everything! view post


posted 25 Feb 2006, 00:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions regarding Conphas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

All good points about Xin, his blinding is also used as an important dynamic with Achamian. Just like Esmenet was Achamian's dawn, Xinemus was in a very literal sense a representation of his nights. Xinemus blinded and Compulsed to beg Achamian for his life....with how we know the Cants of Compulsion work, and Xin and Acha's relationhip.... coupled with the fact that even if he wanted to Achamian would not have been able to save Xinemus well... I think you get where I'm headed. ;) view post


posted 27 Feb 2006, 15:02 in Author Q &amp; ARPG? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well most of what we were talking about was concerning tabletop gaming as opposed to some variation of video game. view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 14:02 in Author Q &amp; ARPG? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I've been thinkong about it too, although I am sans gaimg group at the moment. I'll sit down one of these days and start modifying things though. view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 14:02 in Author Q &amp; AA soulful question [WARNING: TTT Spoilers Inside] by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thanks for the reply Scott, that was basically what I was expecting and the rule of thumb that I had assumed based on alot of impressions I had gotten while reading. view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 14:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Slash sites are fanfic sites where people write essentially gay porn involving male characters from TV/Movies/Books. I only know this because I know a few people who seem to enjoy it, personally I find it a little distastful... not because it is man on man or anything like that, just it seems such a twisting of an authors work. For instance there is ALOT of this stuff based on characters from Harry Potter, those characters are all children and so it is tantamount to child pornography. I'm happy to pretty much ignore it, to each their own and all that. But something about it just doesn't sit well with me. view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 14:02 in Author Q &amp; AThe Nonmen Quya (spoilers) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

By whole world does that include Eanna? :) view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 15:02 in Tour and Signing InformationUniversity of Toronto, March 1st by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm going to be there :) view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 15:02 in Interviews and ReviewsTHE TORONTO STAR by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Wow, that's an awesome review Scott! I think you will see some definite sales increases from it. :) Things are looking better and better all the time. view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 18:02 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Erickson must do signings in the UK... after all The Bonehunters is coming out in the UK what this week or next week? And we have to wait till April here :) Of course I'm half-considering ordering it from Amazaon.co.uk and paying the extra money to have it shipped aqnd get it early. view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 21:02 in Tour and Signing InformationTentative Schedule by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Damn you Peter.... lol I don't know anything fot sure, but since he is almost as British as Canadian I figured he would do the occasional tour and signing there on the dime of his UK publisher. view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 21:02 in Author Q &amp; AWhy are Kellhus and Moenghus of the Few? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Scott has mentioned before that there is a genetic component to being of the Few and able to work Sorcery. I have a feeling that there is a large number of the Few among the Dunyain. view post


posted 28 Feb 2006, 21:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWas Cnauir gay? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Over on Fark.com I was in a discussion thread where there was a woman who was actually studying slash and it's related "subculture" for her undergraduate honours thesis. But I nothing about her actual research was being discussed. Fanfiction itself is ok, just an attempt by fans to extend the universe they love and write stories set in it. Most of the sexual oriented fanfic I find a little strange no matter the genders of the characters involved, because it usually is so out of place of the story. One could argue with certain worlds and stories that it does fit but like you I wonder at the why of it all. Like you said it appears to be a predominantly female subculture. Women writing for other women about male characters getting it on. Like I said the Harry Potter one seems to be one of the more popular I have heard of, the bordering on pedophilia nature of that bothers me more than anything. view post


posted 01 Mar 2006, 14:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Mandate Skin-Spy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yes, we know Souls can be developed from a quote he has said here on the board that has been passed around as well. "It is the rare animal that awakens on Earwa" The awakening refering to the gaining of a Soul. From the answer he gave me on the Q&A board the slave-races of the Inchoroi are inherently un-souled creations, but of course exceptions do occur. view post


A thank you to Scott posted 02 Mar 2006, 04:03 in Author Q &amp; AA thank you to Scott by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Since I was at the reading earlier this evening down at U of T I just wanted to thank Scott for a truly memorable experience. Hearing bits of the TTT brought to life by the author was very cool, and Scott you're one of the most real people I've ever met. Was great talking with you. It was also really cool getting a sneak peak at Neuropath :) view post


posted 02 Mar 2006, 15:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his &quot;good guy&quot; status. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Kellhus is Kellhus, I think he will continue to be a protagonist and a force working against the Consult but that doesn't mean he is a "good guy." Aspect Emperor will be worth waiting for, and I can't wait to see how many of our assumptions and beliefs get turned upside down :) view post


posted 02 Mar 2006, 15:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think the Psuhke and Anagnosis were pretty much comparable in strength in most regards although they each seem to have areas where they are more powerful than the other. The Mandate is likely the strongest school in the Three Seas right now, but I don't think we have enough information and knowledge to accurately rank the others. view post


posted 02 Mar 2006, 15:03 in Author Q &amp; ACishaurim explanation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The biggest difference is that the Psuhke turns on passion as opposed to reason and intellect. I think the analogy was that the Gnostic and Anagnostic Sorcerors sing with the God's voice they "remember" his mind. The Cishaurim Sing from the God's Heart or something like that. I'll have to look up the quotes to give a better answer. view post


posted 02 Mar 2006, 15:03 in Tour and Signing InformationUniversity of Toronto, March 1st by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It was definitly a cool night! view post


posted 03 Mar 2006, 05:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha's history by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Actually if I remember correctyl Sirwitta's bastard daughter fits in somewhere on the Anasurimbor family tree. I'll have to try hunting around as much as possible for confirmation on this but it seems to me I either read it or Scott mentioned it somewhere. view post


posted 03 Mar 2006, 05:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

An interesting proposition, for some reason when I think of it I think of the Void....and the No-God and all manner of inherent emptiness should such a thing occur. Kind of like a black hole..... *walks away gibbering in some mad reflection* view post


posted 03 Mar 2006, 05:03 in Author Q &amp; ACishaurim explanation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="unJon":1jjw71oz]And those differences raise an interesting question. Is there some combination of Gnosis and Psukhe possible that would be as powerful as Gnosis (or more powerful) and without the mark. Possibly even without the susceptability to Chorae. And we think that Kellhus wouldn't be good at it (drawing from the analogy to Moenghus). Although maybe now he would be since he is 'more than Dunyain.' I like to think, though, that it will be the son of Kellhus and Esmi that makes this jump, surpassing the father. Or maybe I'm running in a completely wrong direction.[/quote:1jjw71oz] It seems to me since the Gnosis and the Psukhe revolve essentially on opposite poles as far as their Metaphysics go, that working the two simultaneously would be impossible. I mean we never know for sure what could happen but I just don't see it going in that direction. view post


Re: Not smart enough posted 03 Mar 2006, 05:03 in Author Q &amp; ANot smart enough by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Redclaw":3j7fo6vo]I consider myself a very smart person. I go to a top rated university am a double poly-sci history major with a pre law emphasis and almost a 4.0. Yet the philosophical underlying thought is something I ca't get. I enjoy and understand the books;however, I don't fully understand the larger philosophical qestion/issues Bakker brings up. Anyone have any THree Sea's for dummy websites for me to look at. Also Am I alone in my plight?[/quote:3j7fo6vo] Just sit back and enjoy the ride, I think you'll likely be surprised by what you simply absorb from it being presented to you in the books. I don't have much formal education in philosophy, I took a semester of a metaphysics course which definitly helps, but it was a pretty simple and broad overview of alot of concepts. I can't target particular philosophers and particular rational's all the time. Like I said, sit back and enjoy, and if the books spark you to learn more just go browsing through a philosophy section in a library and look for some intro or primer books, or just browse through whatever looks interesting. I know I definitly need to do the same thing... view post


posted 03 Mar 2006, 15:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I think it is Cnaiur's as well. Little Moenghus and Kellhus Jr. will probably be quite integral and imporant characters in AE I suspect, given that they will both be around 20 when it happens. Young... brash princes raised in an Imperial Court by a Dunyain/Gnostic Sorceror father. Ahhh the possibilities :) view post


posted 03 Mar 2006, 15:03 in Author Q &amp; ACishaurim explanation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The big thing seems to be that to work the Psukhe you must also be blind. We know that being blind is an impediment to Anagogic Sorcery (Iyokus) and I suspect it would be a similar impediment to working Gnostic Sorcery as well. It would; however, be interesting if the two could be merged somehow, I'm just not convinced that they can. view post


posted 03 Mar 2006, 15:03 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I thought that the glossary reference was refering to it vaguely looking like a spear :) But it could be both. view post


posted 04 Mar 2006, 16:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha's history by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, the whole mummified heart thing definitly implies death :) view post


posted 04 Mar 2006, 16:03 in Author Q &amp; AAkka and the Ciphrang - TTT spoilers by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Blinding a Sorceror and NOT killing them could in a way, be considered even crueller than killing them. Iyokus can still work the Daimos, but he is crippled in most other aspects of Sorcery. Imagine enacting revenge on a highly skilled woodworker by chopping off his hands but leaving him alive. view post


posted 04 Mar 2006, 21:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions that haunt me after just reading TTT. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Synthese is just a shell that the Inchoroi can inhabit and control with it's soul/consciousness or whatever. We haven't see the Inchoroi possess people, just imhabit shell's made with the Tekne. view post


posted 05 Mar 2006, 19:03 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, he wouldn't use the word Heron unless there were herons in Earwa, I like the idea of it having that distinctive "heron neck" s-curve in it, that would make sense. Think of the zat guns in Stargate, they sort of have that curve to them when they are activated. (Not that I am saying that is what the heron spear looks like, it would likely be alot bigger) but it would make sense. view post


posted 06 Mar 2006, 04:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions regarding Conphas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Skin-Spies have been around for a long time, how long I don't know but certainly longer than 200 years since we have a Skin-Spy who was a Scylvendi then. I would think they've likely been around even longer, after all the Consult no longer even knows how to make them anymore. They were only discovered 10-12 years ago by Moenghus, or at least that is when he decided to reveal them. view post


posted 06 Mar 2006, 04:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnasurimbor Maithanet? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Depends on the society unJon, plus the Apocalypse is hardly a normal time. If the only heir you have is a bastard, you better believe you're going to give him the family name to maintain the bloodline. view post


posted 06 Mar 2006, 04:03 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Maybe it is on a tripod, maybe not. But just the desciprtion of the Anaphoxus (or however you spell his name :) holding it in his hand while in the chariot, and using it while in the chariot somehoe a tripod just doesn't come to mind. It also, to me, doesn't seem to mesh with how Sil, the Inchoroi King during the CI wars was described as fighting with it (not that the techniques was described but you know what I mean). Hmmm this is really incoherent. Basically I'm saying that it's description of the situations in which it was used would lead me to not think of it having a tripod. view post


posted 07 Mar 2006, 00:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions regarding Conphas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="anor277":25c23v98][quote="Entropic_existence":25c23v98]The Skin-Spies have been around for a long time, how long I don't know but certainly longer than 200 years since we have a Skin-Spy who was a Scylvendi then. I would think they've likely been around even longer, after all the Consult no longer even knows how to make them anymore. They were only discovered 10-12 years ago by Moenghus, or at least that is when he decided to reveal them.[/quote:25c23v98] @EE did (Aurang?) the bird man say that skin spies were no longer able to be manufactured or that they were difficult and costly to make? Maybe the sequencer back at Golgotterath is on the fritz.[/quote:25c23v98] Aurang didn't specifically say one way or the other. We do know, that at the very least Skin-Spies have been around for centuries, at least 300 years (when the Consult withdrew from the Three Seas), although I have a suspicion they are older and likely date back as far as the Apocalypse. I could be wrong and this is merely conjecture on my part. I can definitly see an argument for them being only created in the last 300 years since it would be a good reason for the Consult to withdraw from view. Aurang does lament that the Skin-Spies are so few in number since their unveiling. (Which btw Aurang refers to decades in the plural since Moenghus first outed the Skin-Spies in the lands of the Fanim.) So perhaps it is merely difficult to manufacture them now. Likely if they still make them for every success they have 5 fail (sort of like with cloning... we can do it but it takes alot of botched attempts for every success.) This I think is the most likely scenario based on a quick re-read of several key parts of thhe book that come from Aurang's POV. view post


posted 07 Mar 2006, 00:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtA poll on souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Spamoram":36x69w1h]What does the skin spy having a soul have to do with his ability to perform sorcery? If a soul is linked with the use of sorcery, does this mean only the Few have souls (I don't believe this). Or perhaps you can have a soul but not be able to perform sorcery, but you can't perform sorcery without a soul.[/quote:36x69w1h] Not all with souls are among the Few, all of the Few have souls. It is a requirement to have a soul to work sorcery, but having a soul does not mean you can work sorcery. view post


posted 07 Mar 2006, 00:03 in Author Q &amp; AWorldhorn &amp; Heron Spear by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Just the manner in which the Heron-Spear and the other Inchoroi "weapons of light" are described in the glossary and in passing references makes one infer a projectile "particle beam" weapon of some kind. view post


Re: HUH? posted 07 Mar 2006, 00:03 in Author Q &amp; ACishaurim explanation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Guest":2m4qa8a3]When did the loss of sight become a impediment to Anagogic sorcery?[/quote:2m4qa8a3] Because purity of meaning is everything in sorcery, especially in the Gnostic and Anagogic branches. Afyer Iyokus was blinded, and Elezearas was holding/comforting him he asked if Iyokus still remembered what it was to see, and did he still remember the words? If so... then he was still whole. Neither of them honestly have any idea what blinding would do to a Sorceror. If purity of meaning is everything (which is why a non-vulgar tongue is used to work sorcery to dissasociate with learned and variable interpretations/meanings of words) then blinding could be a corrupting factor. If you forget what it is to see well, it could definitly have an effect on your grasp of the physical world, and how you impose your will on it through sorcery. view post


posted 07 Mar 2006, 00:03 in Author Q &amp; AAkka and the Ciphrang - TTT spoilers by Entropic_existence, Moderator

For the Mandate's own philosophy on the utteral/inutteral string re-reading the section where Achamian is teaching Kellhus the Gnosis is most instructive. As for the bit on blinding, and how the Anagnosis and Gnosis are completely different from the Psukhe. With the Cishaurim, they blind themselves for a reason. Their metaphysics stems from passion. As Kellhus put it they blind themselves so that by eliminating the angle they see the world from, they may better comprehend the angles that they only remember. The metaphysics upon which the Gnosis, Psukhe, and Anagnosis work are very, very different things. Purity of meaning is absolutly important to sorcery, by becoming blind it throws essentially a wildcard variable in the mix. Maybe it would ultimately have no effect... but Iyokus and Elezearas seemed concerned. After all Elezearas asked Iyokus if he remembered what it was to see just as he wondered what effect blinding would have. We probably really don't have enough information to know for sure, but my money is down on it possibly having a detrimental effect. As for Moenghus remember that he blinded himself in order to learn the Psukhe, which was ultimately a dead end for him. Blinding is an inherent element on which the metaphysics of the Psukhe works I think. view post


posted 07 Mar 2006, 18:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions regarding Conphas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="anor277":2b6woi1u]@EE, I reread the same passage last night. Aurang says that the skin spies are now so few in number. As regards Mallahet, conceivably, when he "outed" them they had just (or recently) replaced the original Cishaurim - his visual perception might not be good enough to discover them de novo, and he would have to have relied on the originals' voices if he discovered them by voice alone. and Caligula?[/quote:2b6woi1u] They could very well have been among the Fanim for only a short time, but all I was saying is 1)It's been decaded since Mallahet revealed them and 2)The Skin-Spies have existed for a minimum of 200 years given one was a Scylvendi 200 years ago. view post


posted 07 Mar 2006, 18:03 in Author Q &amp; ATTT Encyclopedia by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Even the bits of the world revealed in the Appendix still hardly scratch the surface of the heart of Earwa. It gives us an overview of history, but the metaphysics and such are far cooler, in my opinion, as far as world building goes. Don't worry, Scott has promises there is still much to be revealed in the future. view post


posted 07 Mar 2006, 18:03 in Author Q &amp; AMen v. Nonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Numbers? view post


posted 08 Mar 2006, 02:03 in Author Q &amp; AMen v. Nonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yup, as WL said Men developed their own Sorcery, this is the Anagosis. As a side note Siqu are Nonmen who served Men during the Nonman Tutelage prior to the Apocalypse. It's important to remember when reading there are two distinct groups of men talked about in the books/appendix. There are the "soft hearted" men who already inhabited Earwa and were enslaved by the Nonmen, and there are the Tribes of Men who invaded from Eanna in order to carry out a genocidal war against the Nonmen. As WL said there were the Shamans, Prophets who worked Sorcery in the time of the Tusk (prior to the Breaking of the Gates). By the time of the Breaking of the Gates and the subsequent "migratory invasions" the Nonmen had already been weakened by their initial clashes with the Inchoroi, followed by the Womb-Plague, followed by the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars. They were far from a vibrant and hearty race at this point. If those initial events hadn't happened I don't think the Breaking of the Gates would have succeeded. view post


posted 08 Mar 2006, 16:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="zarathustra":1ygjzjim]I actually think the Circle of Nibel will prove to be a gnostic school. My only evidence for thsi is that at one point Scott admitted there were two Gnostic schools in the Three Seas. Fraid I haven't got time to dig that quote up. Also the name itself seems Gnostic rather than Anagogic in that it refers to a Geometric shape.[/quote:1ygjzjim] The other Gnostic school is the School of Mangaecca, which was a Gnostic school of the ancient north that became the Consult. The Circle of Nibel is most definitly an Anagogic school. view post


posted 08 Mar 2006, 16:03 in Author Q &amp; AMen v. Nonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I just culled what little I could from the appendix and other things briefly mentioned in the books. The Chronicles of the Tusk end with the men of Eanna marching on Earwa and the Breaking of the Gates, and the Tusk itself contains prohibitions on Sorcery as well as mentioning Shamans, Sorcerors, etc. So we know that since human Sorcerors are mentioned in the Tusk, humans had developed some form of Anagogic Sorcery prior to the Breaking of the Gates. (They also knew about Nonmen at this time so the language of the Anagogic used could still have been based on a Nonman tongue or some other tongue.) As for a particular thread where Scott talks about it I'm not sure, have to dig around. view post


posted 08 Mar 2006, 20:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, for some reason WL I have a feeling Scott at the time was refering to the Mangaecca when talking about another Gnostic School in the Ancient North. We sort of knew about them already but we didn't really have alot of details I don't think, at least until we had access to the TTT glossary. view post


posted 08 Mar 2006, 20:03 in Author Q &amp; AMen v. Nonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thanks WL, I tried searching for that thread but didn't find it. view post


posted 08 Mar 2006, 21:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Hmmmm very interesting questions White Lord, I think it is certainly plausible but whether it happened who knows. Very, very interesting though and it raises dome very interesting possibilities. view post


posted 10 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="zarathustra":270zxwf5]Yes that's a great idea for the Nonmen White Lord and I have a feeling it may prove accurate. As I'm sure you know Scott has something planned for Cil Aujis so it is possible that the Knights of Tryse and perhaps the Circle of Nibel are hiding out there. Of course it could be used by the Consult but I don't think they need anywhere to hide in the North.[/quote:270zxwf5] I agree that it is a distinct possiblity except for one thing, the Circle of Nibel is listed as one of the major Schools of the Three Seas so they aren't up in the Ancient North doing anything that we know about but are located in the Three Seas region along with the rest of the Schools that we have seen. view post


posted 10 Mar 2006, 22:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The phrase "Spilling Water" is the highest and most complex work of Sorcery used by the Cishaurim. The references to Water itself appear to be more something tieing into the Soul/Outside and are not really talking about literal water. This is after all a desert society so water is precious. (Hence why the water reference is used water = life) view post


posted 10 Mar 2006, 22:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtTTT Map by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Others have reported the same problem, actually Scott's hardcover copy has the exact same problem that he showed me. It appears to be something from that producers print run and was fixed for their second run. Keep a hold of it because that little error might actually end up being rare. view post


posted 11 Mar 2006, 05:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtTTT Map by Entropic_existence, Moderator

As far as I know the problem comes from the Orbit (? maybe) print run distributed in the US. You may not be able to find a replacement right away but you can always check. The version I saw was still legible, just pixelated. view post


posted 11 Mar 2006, 19:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I envisioned the "Pouring Water" as literally waves of bluish-white light/energy pouring out/washing over the foes of the Cishaurim, something like that. As for the Scarlet Spires using fire, that makes sense given the nature of the Anagogic Sorceries, which turn on the hinge of analogy. When you think of powerful destructive forces in the world you're likely to think of fire. Personally I don't really see it being anything to do with the notion of the classical elements or that different schools will subscribe to a different element as the basis of their sorcery. view post


posted 12 Mar 2006, 04:03 in Author Q &amp; AEanna? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think Scott has said before that everything will be taking place within the confines of Earwa, the rest of the world is a mystery. view post


posted 12 Mar 2006, 04:03 in Author Q &amp; AEanna? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

But that abandoned Nonman city is supposed to play a heavy role, I'm sure Scott is going to throw so much cool new stuff at us in AE that it will be mind blowing :) view post


posted 12 Mar 2006, 21:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I agree, I think Mekeretrig is still of the Consult, he didn't report anything to Aurang or Aurax likely for several reasons. It is quite possible he thought it to be of little consequence in the big picture. view post


posted 12 Mar 2006, 23:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="anor277":2otpsjny]The reference to "water" was also in a figurative sense to Fane's experience in the desert. The prophet Fane, an apostate Shrial priest, was banished to the desert. There, his prophetic visions and his life were sustained by the (literal) water bearers of the Indara(?) tribe. As someone remarked earlier, water was a precious commodity in the desert - Cishaurim sorcery was henceforth associated with the bearing of water.[/quote:2otpsjny] Yup, that was me :) view post


posted 12 Mar 2006, 23:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

*nods to both Anor and WP* Exactly. view post


Re: Glowing Hands posted 12 Mar 2006, 23:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlowing Hands by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="anor277":2m7rq6md] I have no idea about the haloes. Regarding question (ii), the Dunyain have no way of knowing that Kellhus has completed his mission (they have also weeded out all the Dunyain who had sorcerous ability). The only way of the Dunyain finding out about Kellhus is if the Consult winkle out Ishual and ally with the Dunyain - as Kellhus remarked to Moenghus both the Consult and the Dunyain have the same broad aim, the closure of the world from the outside. Many here are of the opinion that the Consult [i:2m7rq6md]will[/i:2m7rq6md] ally themselves with the Dunyain.[/quote:2m7rq6md] I don't think they weeded out all of the Few, just those Dunyain whom Moenghus had contacted via dreams. I don't think we have enough information in this regard to know whether only the Few could receive the dreams or if he only contacted certain people for other reasons. It could go either way I think at this point. view post


Re: Skin spies and Granma posted 13 Mar 2006, 14:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions regarding Conphas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Brady":4plohby9]The Mandate claim the Consult abruptly 'vanished' 300 years ago. I just assumned that was when the first started using the skin-spies. They 'vanished' because they began using undetectable agents. [/quote:4plohby9] I suspect this very well could be the case, or at least it was at this point that they felt they could leave the work to their skin-spies alone. view post


posted 13 Mar 2006, 14:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtA poll on souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Edge of Certainty":2fwslkcj]I went with option 1...I think it's entirely possible that this particular skin-spy might actually be the soul of an Inchoroi bound to the body of a skin spy, I mean if the Inchoroi can bind themselves to a synthese frame, why not skin spies? Not to mention the fact that the skin spy was posing as Simas, a member of the Mandati Qurom...and since the Mandate is the only faction that had ever worried about the Consult's existance, maybe, for whatever reason, the Consult decided that the insight of an "old father" was required. Then again, I'm not entirely sure that Inchoroi have the ability to perform sorcery or have real souls themselves, in the sense of a being leaking through from the Outside...I'll have to check the book though.[/quote:2fwslkcj] There are only two Inchoroi left, Aurang and Aurax. In order for that to be true they would have had to be inhabiting the Skin-Spy the entire time, and we know this isn't the case. That and I have a feeling the Mandate definitly would have detected the presence of either, they are simply too powerful even when constrained by another shell, to not be noticed. No I think is is pretty clear from the books that the the Skin-Spy with a soul was just that, a skin-spy with a soul :) And yes the Inchoroi do have the capacity to work Sorcery, they learned the Gnosis long ago as their Tekne began to fail and they remembered less and less of it. view post


posted 13 Mar 2006, 14:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Edge of Certainty":1806b3cl]I posted this opinion in the "soul poll" as well: I think that this particular skin spy had just been a shell for the soul of an Inchoroi. My reason for this theory is that both the synthese and the skin spies are reffered to as "artifacts" of the Inchoroi. If the soul of an Inchoroi can be bound to a synthese body, why not a skin spy body as well? The consult needed someone with a soul to perform sorcery and also, one can't help but imagine that the experience of an Inchoroi over that of a soulless skin spy could only help while in the presence of the Mandate. What confuses me is when Nautzera realizes that he had always known, or always suspected or somthing along those lines....did anyone catch that?[/quote:1806b3cl] I replied to this in your other message in the poll section. While it may be possible for an Inchoroi to bind its soul to a Skin-Spy I don't think it would, that and we can reason out for a fact that Simas was neither Aurang nor Aurax, the only two Inchoroi left alive. view post


posted 14 Mar 2006, 02:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The only problem is that Mekeretrig is the one who revealed the location of the Ark to what would become the Consult in the first place, which I would think would have placed him on the side of the Inchoroi and Consult in the beginning. Hmmm yea it could just be a mistake or it could mean something more significant. If it is significant I don't think Scott will be telling us anytime soon :) view post


posted 14 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Skin-Spies are constructs of the Tekne, which are inherently soulless entities as are all of the other Constructs the Inchoroi/Consult have created (Sranc, Bashrag, Wracu). However the whole notion of souls in Earwa, from what Scott has revealed, isn't black and white. A good quote to remember is "it is the rare animal that Awakens on Earwa." Under certain conditions and for unknown reasons a non-souled creature can awaken to self-identity and a soul. The Inchoroi have never been able to create an inherently souled creature, the Skin-Spy with a soul was a fluke. As for the body that Aurang inhabited when it went after Kelhus by possesing Esmenet I have a feeling that that was actually a Skin-Spy. There were Skin-Spies in the city afterall. But yes unSimas was definitly not being possesed or inhabited. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 20:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtPaper Back by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Trade Paperback came out in Canada at the same time as the Hardcover, so you could look into ordering it online. I have no idea when the mass market will be out. As an aside, there would be better places on the forum to ask this other than the TTT Spoiler forum, the Q&A or a few others would probably get you a bette response. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 20:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Glamour is a real word and is usualy related to magic that affects the mind/perception. Broadly used it usually applies to illusions or charm type magic. Just something to point out, and it is more semantics than anything. But remember that the Synthese is itself merely a shell inhabited by the Soul of another, in this case Aurang. And as someone pointed out, during the second seduction Esmi thought she saw dark, hooked wings. I think this was on the shadow and was either caused by active Sorcery on Aurangs part or simply Esmi's perception. I don't think he really had wings gorwing out of his back (Aurang's true form apparently does) it was merely a shadow of Aurang's soul/true self. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 20:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtGlowing Hands by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think it has been asked before, and Scott doesn't appear to be answering it :) view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 20:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Ciphrang, being creatures of the Outside, are inherently tied to Sorcery and the underlying way it all seems to work. They also appear to work some form of Sorcery themselves. Either way they are very vulnerable to Chorae. The specific Ciphrang in TTT where hearing the voice of Iyokus in their heads. As for why Iyokus draws things *shrugs* its part of the Daimos and as such appears to be integral to that school of Socery. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 20:03 in Author Q &amp; AA Prince of Nothing Wiki by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Definitly send me the link. I recently set up a private wiki for a group I am working with for world development purposes for a shared fantasy/role play setting. The MediWiki engine thst Wikipedia uses is quite easy to set up if you have a MySQL database set up. I think my email is in my profile feel free to send me an email if you need some help getting everything up and running. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 20:03 in Author Q &amp; AA thank you to Scott by Entropic_existence, Moderator

No it was quite interesting to see your views on things. I may be a scientist but I quite agree with the whole "the times they are a changing" mentality. Like you said whether it is good or bad it will certainly be different. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 20:03 in Author Q &amp; ACishaurim explanation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Just a world junkie Scott, and thanks for the praise. :) I think my father already threatened to disown me if I decided to go into law :) view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 20:03 in Author Q &amp; AThe Nonmen Quya (spoilers) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Personally I blame my problem on being addicted to the world building behind the series I really love. Something about completely sinking in to a realm of fantasy is highly appealing. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 20:03 in Author Q &amp; AWhy are Kellhus and Moenghus of the Few? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Dunyain just got a little more frightening. Imagine if the Consult recruited them all. view post


posted 15 Mar 2006, 21:03 in Tour and Signing InformationTORONTO, March 31st to April 2nd by Entropic_existence, Moderator

As an east coast boy I will appluad the love of Keiths, and Newcastle is excellent. I'll definitly look into going down to the Convention. view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 17:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAchamian and Seswatha by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I had thought all along that there were parallels between the two, was rather obvious to me that that was the intent all along. view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 17:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Edge of Certainty":a61dj01y]that makes sense since Chiphrang are called thru sorcery...I wonder tho, if Chiphrang are just "demons" in the sense that they've never been human, or are the disembodied souls of people who have died...and if so, are they the souls of the damned (i.e. schoolman) and continue to bare the mark in the Outside. That might explain why Chorae binds them to the Outside. Ok, maybe they're not "damned" but just..."special." :? sorry but, for whatever reason, I didn't really understand the Ciphrang....I guess that was the part in the book where I was trying to read and watch x-files at the same time :lol: .[/quote:a61dj01y] Ciphrang are definitly non-human entities of the Outside, it's often speculated that Daimotic Sorcerors doubly damn themselves because the Demons they have summoned seek them out to torment them for all eternity. I think Chorae kill the Ciphrang, after all if it merely unsummoned them I think the Ciphrang would not worry about the Chorae at all, after all they usuallty don't like being summoned and controlled. If all it did was send them home I think they would welcome getting hit with one. :) view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 17:03 in Author Q &amp; AConsult vs Mandate by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="H":1wrk561m][quote="Cu'jara Cinmoi":1wrk561m]It was a cold war more than anything else, with neither side possessing the resources to really do more than bruise the other. I'm inclined to be coy about this, because I'm thinking about writing a novella prequel on this period, something that could lay the groundwork for TDTCB - make it more accessible. I'm thinking about calling it [i:1wrk561m]An Atrocity Tale[/i:1wrk561m]...[/quote:1wrk561m] Wow, that'd be awesome! The most compelling parts of the series so far for me are when we get to see Seswatha and the No-God in action, so a whole book would be amazing![/quote:1wrk561m] It would be post Apocalypse :) So no Seswatha or No-God :) view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 17:03 in Author Q &amp; AWhy are Kellhus and Moenghus of the Few? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="stormchaser":26kqu74k]I too wondered about the seeming coincidence that Kellhus and his father were both of the Few, and the answer I came up with was not so much that they were both Dunyain, but rather that they are both [i:26kqu74k]Anasurimbors[/i:26kqu74k]. Their distant royal ancestor Celmomas II was clearly capable of prophecy, and thus was likely one of the Few. It follows that if some of the Dunyain are now capable of sorcery, then the genetic source of that ability likely lies with the Anasurimbor line. Remember that the Dunyain themselves don't even believe in the existence of sorcery, and also that the Dunyain/Anasurimbor connection came about purely by chance (or so it would appear). It seems to me that Dunyain conditioning is certainly responsible for Kelluss' uncanny ability to quickly master the Gnosis, but may actually have very little to do with his being one of the Few.[/quote:26kqu74k] Well Scott's answer above sort of contradicts that. It seems like there is a genetic component that can be bred for, the same way intellect can. The Dunyain breeding programme which breeds for specific cognitive abilities also would select for the ability to work Sorcery at the same time. I have a feeling a rather large portion of the Dunyain would have the ability to learn Sorcery, if the opportunity presented itself and they were convinved that it existed and all of that. view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 17:03 in Author Q &amp; ASpoilerful question about the trilogy's end by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I would argue stomrchaser that the PON is stand alone in the sense that it completely tells the story it was supposed to, being the rise of Kelhus and the story of the Holy War :) Of course anyone who gets hooked on it will see it as the prelude to Aspect Emperor I'm sure and view it more like The Hobbit as opposed to The Lord of the Rings :) view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 23:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think it is same to speculate that Mekeretrig is a wild card whom we can't really predict whose side he is on. I think it likely that at the moment, and since the Apocalypse he's been on the side of the Consult. He would not be accepted among the remaining Non-men I don't think, and what else are you going to do in the remains of the North? Crawling with Sranc and very few humans. I hope he shows up more in Aspect Emperor, he is definitly one of the more interesting characters that we have gotten a glimpse of. view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 23:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, definitly unclear what death would be for an entity of the Outside, my specualtion could be entirely off. Sorcery is a recollection of the the Intellect (or in the case of the Psukhe the Passion) of the God. So I see the Outside, and Sorcery as being similar in many respects. Also, as I said, I think Ciphrang and other Agencies use "sorcery" routinely and probably rather intuitively being they come from the Outside as does the God. Making them susceptible to Chorae just as Sorcerors are. If what I said made any sense :) view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 23:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAchamian and Seswatha by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I agree WP view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 23:03 in Author Q &amp; AFan art for the PoN by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm artistically challenged, so nothing I created would ever see the light of day, it would suck too much lol. :) view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 23:03 in Author Q &amp; ASpoilerful question about the trilogy's end by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Edge of Certainty":ixe8b2nt]poor scott, will people ever stop making LotR parallels? I wonder if any books in the future will be called Bakkeresque 8).[/quote:ixe8b2nt] I think I've heard Scott make the same analogy I did :) Tolkien is sort of the comparison as far as fantasy goes. Personally I find Scotts work far more interesting though. view post


posted 16 Mar 2006, 23:03 in Author Q &amp; AWhy are Kellhus and Moenghus of the Few? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="stormchaser":3m4u65md] Maybe, and certainly Scott has the last word. It's just that so much of what we're shown of the Dunyain and their techniques involves ways of understanding and mastering the natural world exactly as it is, as opposed to sorcery which involves remaking reality in ways that completely transcend natural law. I don't see a whole lot of correspondence between the two disciplines. The idea that the Dunyain have been breeding for sorcery without even knowing it seems just a tad too pat, given the complete worldliness and absolute practicality of the Dunyain world view. [/quote:3m4u65md] The Dunyain believe that Sorcery is merely superstition, and do not believe in it being real until they are confronted with it. (As happened to Moenghus and Kelhus after leaving Ishual) But as Scott said the ability to work Sorcery is inherently based on certain cognitive and intellectual abilities and predispositions, making the two tied together. The Dunyain do not practice Sorcery obviously, but from what little we've been shown I think that a rather large portion of them are of the Few, and would have the ability to work Sorcery should they chose to learn. Whether they reject it or not is another matter entirely. Certainly Kelhus came to the conclusion that the Dunyain, should they learn the truth as he sees it, would ultimately side with the Consult because in order to achieve their mission the influence of the Outside would need to be removed. view post


posted 17 Mar 2006, 16:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtHelp finding post on afterlife by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I forget what the thread was called. I know the Inrithi/Kuniuri (the cults that predate Inrithiism) believe there are three ontions: 1)Salvation, 2)Damnation, and 3)Oblivion. For 1 to occur you either have to merit the reward/intercession being granted by one of the Gods (check the glossary of TTT to see which grant salvation as a reward for serving them) or have your Ancestors interced on your behalf which is why the Inrithi pray to their Ancestors as well as the Gods. Damnation of course happens when your bad, or are a Sorceror and so your Soul when it passes to the Outside gets to be a chew toy for nasty Agencies. Oblivion occurs if you were good enough for Salvation and not bad enough for Damnation... your Soul just fades away. The Scylvendi only believe in Oblivion if I recall correctly because Lokung is dead. I can't remember what the Fanim believe. They only believe in the Solitary God so it is probable that they believe in salvation and damnation depending on your acts in life. view post


posted 17 Mar 2006, 16:03 in The Thousandfold Thoughtjust finished the thousandfold thought by Entropic_existence, Moderator

If the two of you haven't read Erickson's work I highly recommend the Malazan book of the Fallen series beginning with Gardens of the Moon. He's another epic fantasy author and a fellow Canadian. His background is in archeology and as such his world has a real feeling of depth (the history often spans 100,000 years or more of ancient and fallen civilizations. The world is very "layered" in that sense.) It is primarily a militaristic series sort of like the Black Company series (but better), fairly dark and gritty but not as dark as Scott's stuff. Anyway it's an excellent read, 5 books out currently with the 6th coming out in Canada next month. view post


posted 17 Mar 2006, 17:03 in Author Q &amp; AConsult vs Mandate by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It would be like.... um, one of the Unfinished Tales books! Yea... that's it :) view post


posted 18 Mar 2006, 00:03 in The Thousandfold Thoughtjust finished the thousandfold thought by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Edge, pick up the first too, the third or fourth is just coming out in the US soon. The publishing schedules should be synced up by book 7 I think. (The UK is ahead of Canada...they already have Book 6) and order the rest online from Chapters.ca or Amazon.ca if you like them. Gierra, Although I'm a fellow Torontonian I've only lived here since September and so haven't been to Bakka-Pheonix, but since they are the pre-eminent SF&F retailer in Canada and Erickson is Canadian I should think they do. view post


posted 18 Mar 2006, 00:03 in Author Q &amp; Ayour first martyr by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think so too :) I know I enjoyed it view post


posted 18 Mar 2006, 05:03 in Author Q &amp; AReaders Choice Awards by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Wow congrats! view post


posted 18 Mar 2006, 05:03 in Author Q &amp; AWhy are Kellhus and Moenghus of the Few? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I thought it was one of the coolest parts of TTT, seing two Dunyain of that caliber discoursing. And Moenghusg of course was partially crippled by not being able to see, although he can do quite alot with his his ears. view post


posted 18 Mar 2006, 05:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Erickson would be Steven Erickson, author of The Malazan Book of the Fallen series, which has 5 novels out in Canada, the 6th out in the Europe and ocming out in Canada at the end of April (only I think the first 3 out in the US) with a total of 10 books coming in all. (Plus he has written several related Novella's and there is a Novella by the worlds co-creator who will also be writing 5 full novels) view post


posted 18 Mar 2006, 05:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAchamian and Seswatha by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Akka I think will still be a source of Knowledge, and as mentioned I have a feeling he is going to be delving into lost and forbidden sorceries now that he is an outcast Wizard. view post


posted 18 Mar 2006, 18:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAchamian and Seswatha by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I don't think Kelhus will ever be a true "good guy" :) I think Scott is going to stay away from some of those tried and tested Fantasy cliches as much as possible by having our hero by somewhat murky as far as good/evil goes. He isn't really either. I don't think Akka will become great in the Three Seas during the intervening 20 years we have between TTT and AE, just that he will accumulate alot of knowledge. I believe he will be penning his Compendium of the First Holy War during this 20 year span as well, remember in TTT the quote from it where he was frightened that the authorities could kick in his door any minute. He is obviously a pariah for speaking the truth, and I believe a man on the run. Never the less he will be important in some sense I think. view post


posted 19 Mar 2006, 16:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm actually not even sure what ADWD is the acronym for as a series so I can't help you there. view post


posted 19 Mar 2006, 16:03 in Literature DiscussionAnyone read American Gods, by Neil Gaiman? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I picked up American Gods about a year ago, and like someone has said I think it is the best standalone fantasy novel I've ever read. Neverwhere was quite good too. I picked up Anansi Boys in the fall and really enjoyed it. I think overall I liked American Gods better, with Anansi Boys you sort of already knew the world a little bit but there were still lots of surprises. view post


posted 19 Mar 2006, 16:03 in Literature DiscussionNeeding some good suggestions. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

If you liked Scott's work I think you will like Ericksons. They are radically different in style of course, but they both have that "reveal as we go along" aspect to their storytelling. I suspect some people who don't like Erickson don't like him just because it is a very military focused series of books. Virtually all of the main characters are soldiers on campaign after all. But wow what adventures :) I've put that series right up alongside The Prince of Nothing for my top picks in epic fantasy. view post


posted 19 Mar 2006, 22:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Right, makes sense. The way it was being used made it seem like an acronym for another series though, since it is part of ASOIAF and they had said authors of ASOIAF and ADWD. view post


posted 20 Mar 2006, 05:03 in Author Q &amp; AFan art for the PoN by Entropic_existence, Moderator

superkeer you almost owed me a new keyboard, if I had of been drinking when I read that post mine would have been liberally sprayed with beer as I burst out laughing. :) Nice one. view post


posted 20 Mar 2006, 05:03 in Author Q &amp; AReaders Choice Awards by Entropic_existence, Moderator

That's definitly good news to hear as a fan. I know I "pimp" the books any chance I get to the uninitiated. Should be like what we were doing when the Firefly boxset came out. Everyone who was a fan tried to get 3 other people hooked on the show who would hopefully then buy the boxset as well,, they in turn would hook 3 more, etc. Worked rather well ind riving DVD sales and helping the movie get made :) view post


posted 20 Mar 2006, 05:03 in Literature DiscussionEddings by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I never read the Balgariad, the first book by Eddings I read was last year when someone picked up the first book in The Dreamers series for me for christmas to put in my stocking. I read it, and I don't think I could read anything else by him. After being exposed to much deeper and richer epic fantasies prioer to it the lightness and writing style where a real turn off for me I guess. view post


posted 20 Mar 2006, 05:03 in Off-Topic DiscussionBattlestar Galactica on SciFi by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The reason for the 'stache is pretty simple, there were a whole bunch of flashbacks about when he re-enlisted in the colonial fleet and such that showed him with a a 'stache. I think tney included it just to show how worn down and slack the fleet was becoming with very few people still in active service. In my opinion it is one of the best shows on TV, and the season finale was a great way to end the season and leave me in suspense for Season 3. view post


posted 20 Mar 2006, 05:03 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get your username? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well I came up with mine a few years ago when I was looking for a new user name to use online. Since I was then engrossed in my BSc in Biology and Chemistry the Entropic part should be perfectly clear. I then applied it in its current form to give it a rather broad range of meaning and as a general comment about the way the world appears to be headed at times. Plus it usually gets questions raised everywhere I use it with people asking what it means. :) view post


posted 20 Mar 2006, 23:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Anonymous":2tzo2r77]These theories. I don't understand the concept of a Consult/Dunyain coalition. The Dunyain lived in a Utopian society. Why would they team with the Consult? Even with the little information we know of the Dunyain, we know less of the Consult. Their goals and intentions. Look at the facts. The Dunyain hid from and disregarded "modern society". Just because the Consult hides doesn't mean they have the same goals. They have infiltrated the humans with skin spies. They care about what is going on. What would be the point of the partnership? As vague as the beginning of PON was, taken literally, the Dunyain no longer exist. They killed themselves because of the message Moenghus sent to them in the dream. Moengus was the last of the Dunyain. Kellhus had to take him out. Their way of life failed. Magic and religion have no place in logic. Kellhus found faith. He cried for the first time in his life. He is no longer Dunyain. The Thousandfold Thought. Something greater than nature. Delusions of Grandeur. Sucks to be crazy. Maybe you Canadians are privy to more info but I believe the Dunyain to be extinct.[/quote:2tzo2r77] The Dunyain hardly live in a Utopian society. They removed themselves from the world in order to achieve their mission, which is to become the ultimate self-mover. A group of people who have completely thrown off the shackles of "what comes before" and to thereby become completely self-determining. However they have also discarded the notion of Sorcery, along with many other metaphysics that the "low" humans take as natural. The Dunyain do not believe there to be any Gods, any Outside that has influence on the world of men. The Dunyain, we believe, are wrong. Kelhus himself came to conclusion that the Dunyain, should they learn more of the world, that they would ultimately side with the Consult because they would have one unifying purpose, to remove the influence of the Outside from Earwa. The Outside is a wild card variable in the Dunyain's calculations and so could not be allowed to exist if they are to achieve their mission. view post


posted 20 Mar 2006, 23:03 in The Thousandfold Thoughtjust finished the thousandfold thought by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I've been considering ordering the Bonehunters from Amazon.uk but I really don't have the time to devote to it right now, and it IS more expensive with the shipping and handling. Almost as much for the paperback as if I wait and get the trade paperback or hardcover here in Canada in a little over a month. view post


posted 20 Mar 2006, 23:03 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get your username? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Xray the Enforcer":itk8oga6][quote="Entropic_existence":itk8oga6] Since I was then engrossed in my BSc in Biology and Chemistry the Entropic part should be perfectly clear.[/quote:itk8oga6] Nerd. <=== also has degrees in biology and chemistry. Looking around my book- and paper-strewn apartment, I'd say Entropy and I have tight relationship. It's all about positive delta S.[/quote:itk8oga6] Hehe now I'm venturing into Computational Biology/Bioinformatics the delta S on my life and surroundings increases exponentially. :) view post


posted 20 Mar 2006, 23:03 in Off-Topic DiscussionPoll: What would you be in prince of nothing? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I was actually surprised more people didn't go Dunyain. I voted Schoolman myself. If Human I think Mandate Schoolman would suit me. Although I think I'd want to be a Non-man Gnostic Sorceror :) They're just so much fun, although I don't think I'm twisted enough to empathise with ther Erratics who joined the Consult. view post


posted 22 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Dunyain are definitly still there, as anor said, it was only the ones who had been contacted by Meognhus, and thus "contaminated" by the outside world who commited suicide. view post


posted 23 Mar 2006, 17:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It isn't a matter of allying with the Consult, Kelhus came to the conclusion that they would have the same goal but for different reasons. The Dunyain would want to remove the variable of the Outside from the equation, thus necessitating closing of the world by slaughtering humanity. view post


posted 24 Mar 2006, 06:03 in Off-Topic DiscussionBOREDOM!!! shoot me or write another book! please! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm living in debt, as a student that is to be expected though I guess. Too bad it effectively cripples me for the next 15 years. view post


posted 25 Mar 2006, 03:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha=Kellhus? Nau-Cayuti=Achamian? (Or not ...) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I concur with uJ and WP view post


posted 27 Mar 2006, 04:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDELETED by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Like Anor said.... basically he's de facto ruler of the Three Seas, I'm pretty sure he'll have the Nansurium under control soon enough as well. view post


Robert Jordan diagnosed with Amyloidosis posted 28 Mar 2006, 04:03 in Literature DiscussionRobert Jordan diagnosed with Amyloidosis by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[url=http://www.locusmag.com/2006/Features/03JordanLetter.htm:6l39hucp]Letter on Locusl[/url:6l39hucp] where RJ announces the recent diagnosis and his optimism and plans. I know alot of people like to bash the WoT series, but it is still one of my favourites in fantasy even if it can't compare to Scott or Erickson's work among others. There is only one book left in the series, which RJ intends to finish, but there is always that chance. Good to see he has such a positive attitude about it though. [/url] view post


posted 28 Mar 2006, 14:03 in Literature DiscussionRobert Jordan diagnosed with Amyloidosis by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Indeed, it is good to see he is already booked into the Mayo clinic though, where he is going to receive the best care and treatment that he possibly can. His determination to live another thirty years regardless of his health is certainly going to help as well. Those with the will to survive and a positive attitutde definitly have a statsitically significant higher survival rate. view post


posted 28 Mar 2006, 21:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDELETED by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Remember that Cingulat et al may not be Inrithi but I believe they are nations that still hold to the old Cults, which was the progenitor religion for Inrithism. Sort of like Judaism and Christianity. Whether Kelhus tries to bring them under his sway I don't know, I was under the impression that humanity isn't bursting at the seams population wise which is typically what would drive expansion back into the North. We'll see what happens I guess. view post


posted 28 Mar 2006, 22:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There are humans, non-men, and Inchoroi among the Consult, all of which have souls. It's been expressed on this board a few times that to close the gates to the Outside only means removing the majority of souls from Earwa, if enough are gone the Outside can no longer mess around with the world. It's a mass effect thing. Plus as WP said, the Dunyain consider themselves above the rest of humanity anyway. view post


posted 29 Mar 2006, 04:03 in Literature DiscussionRobert Jordan diagnosed with Amyloidosis by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There is only the one book left to wrap up the WoT main storyline, and I'm assuming it is already started. RJ mentions it on his blog and that is his primary focus other than his treatment. There is always the chance that the worst happens but I'm prefering to think positive on this one. view post


posted 29 Mar 2006, 04:03 in Literature DiscussionColdfire Trilogy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I enjoyed the Coldire Trilogy when I read it, it's definitly well thought out and had some nice plot elements. Not the best writing in retrospect but an enjoyable read, and that is all that matters. view post


posted 29 Mar 2006, 04:03 in Literature DiscussionDan Brown by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="AjDeath":1sqq1jlo][quote="drosdelnoch":1sqq1jlo]Ive read quite a few novels on the hidden meanings in the art of a number of artists, as a starter its not a bad book to begin with AJ.[/quote:1sqq1jlo]Well then, read The Messiah Legacy. Also non-fiction and by the same authors. Dan Brown and the other author ripped these books off exclusively. I believe there may be legal action taking place now.[/quote:1sqq1jlo] There is, but Leigh et al are going to lose. They were hardly the first ro posit that theory, definitly not the last, and Dan Brown did write his as fiction. They also have the same publisher, so Leigh et al are just shooting themselves in the foot. I read a few of their books, which were interesting, but the main premise and of the Priory de Sion, etc has been thoroughly debunked. The guy who started it all admitted to it being a hoax. Still a good read, and they do present alot of interesting facts about the early church and history in general. That being said... Dan Brown is a hack and a horrible writer. :) view post


posted 30 Mar 2006, 15:03 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDELETED by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The term Aspect-Emperor isn't a new one, indeed it is quite old and began when the Shriah at the time formally institutionalized the Cult of the Emperor. view post


posted 01 Apr 2006, 03:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtDELETED by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The word Aspect doesn't have any special signifigance, other than the fact that it is part of the title Aspect-Emperor (which predates Kelhus) and that Kelhus is rapidly becoming a new Prophet in the manner of Inri Sejenus. view post


posted 01 Apr 2006, 18:04 in Literature DiscussionFavorite books/series by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Bakker (obviously) and Erickson are number one on my list with Martin running a close second. Gemmels books are good in that classic pulp sword and sorcery style so they are always a good afternoon read. I've always loved the Wheel of Time, even the books that were slow. The world he created is just too good to not enjoy every little tidbit I get revealed to me. view post


posted 02 Apr 2006, 02:04 in Literature DiscussionDan Brown by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea I don't think you will find many Dan Brown fans here, the "non-fiction" books he got the story from where much more interesting anyway. They didn't even try and tell a fictional story and were more engaging. Dan Brown is a horrible, horrible write. Which is why he has done well for himself. It's like throwing chum to the masses. view post


posted 02 Apr 2006, 02:04 in Literature DiscussionFavorite books/series by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It definitly wasn't the first I read, but was one of the earlier ones anyway. (I read The Hobbit and LoTR when I was in grade 4 or something. What can I say I started early, I was ripping through adult novels about the same time) And I think it will finish strong, after all the last book, Knife of Dreams was probably the best since book 7 or so, it was actually quite good with lots of stuff happening. We'll see what Memories of Light, the final installment, shall bring. Although it is of course going to be delayed somewhat with RJ's health. view post


posted 02 Apr 2006, 13:04 in Literature DiscussionColdfire Trilogy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It's a completely different style of fantasy and writing. I try and approach each new book like that, that it is different. There will always be books and authors that are superior but I don't make them the "standard" on which to base other authors and writing because they are above average rather than the average. If I didn't don this I would never enjoy anything I don't think. It's the same thing I do with movies that are adaptations of books I enjoy, watch it as a movie based on a story I like that way you aren't nitpicking everything they had to change. view post


posted 02 Apr 2006, 13:04 in Literature DiscussionFavorite books/series by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yes, he's said on the record that there is only one book left to finish off the main story. Personally I don't think there is that much left to resolve. Of course he's also said the book will be as long as it needs to be, so it could get hefty. Book 11 I think made a nice job of setting up a few things in very neat domino like style, I can see how a few events will actually end up resolving multiple plot arcs in a single blow, and done in a very nice and satisfying manner as well. I also think there are more minor plotlines and arcs that may be left unresolved on purpose as well, to have some mystery still around the whole thing and I'm fine with that. view post


posted 02 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha's dreams. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Dreams are a result of The Grasping, the ritual undertaken when students become full Sorcerors. The ritual utilizes Seswatha's Heart. The Dreams that result are supposed to actually be memories of Seswatha's, which the Mandate Schoolmen relive each night in order to preserve their mission. The Dream of Akkas that changed, that was the first time that ever happened, as such it is an aberation and can't be applied to the Dreams as a whole, so the more important question is... how (not what was different about it but by whiat actual mechanism did it change) and why did the Dream change. view post


posted 02 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":2h0l4y1u]Hmm, I have a theory about the nature of the no-god. I think he may be "manufactured" through the sythesis of the Scylvendi's "dead god". [/quote:2h0l4y1u] I think you have this backwards, the Scylvendi's dead God is the No-God but we really don't know when they started worshipping him in the first place. Obviously there was knowledge among certain circles (The Inchoroi and the Consult) about the No-God but we really don't know where this knowledge came from in the first place. If it had of stemmed from the Scylvendi's knowledge though I have a feeling the existence and nature of the No-God would have been much broader. [quote:2h0l4y1u]The Consult are, after all, not inchoroi to my interperation. They are humans and non-men who allied with them, and have since become synthese, products of the Tekne. [/quote:2h0l4y1u] The Consult isn't the Inchoroi, you are right. In fact there are only two surviving Inchoroi that we know about Aurang and Aurax. The Inchoroi predate the Consult, but now the two Inchoroi are really just members of the Consult. They stand in the upper echelon of power though, along with a few other non-Inchoroi. We have reason to believe that human members of the Consult use the Tekne along with sorcery to extend their lifespans, they may even have immortalized themselves in the manner that the Inchoroi did to the Non-men but we don't know for sure. The Consult have not become Synthese however. The Synthese are merely shells created by the Tekne that Consult members (we've only seen Aurang do this but I think any member could) possess. Remember the quotes in the book describing how Aurangs true form would be back in Golgoterath surrounded by Consult Sorcerors performing a continous ritual while Aurang possessed and acted through the Synthese. [quote:2h0l4y1u]The No-god is sealed by choroi for a good reason to my mind. He is sealed inside the world of the three seas - dead on the "outside". This would explain why he cannot know his nature. He would be a neccesary tool for sealing the world from outside imo, a way to suck all the souls of the world up, a diversion from the normal flow of the cycle of souls.[/quote:2h0l4y1u] We know that the cycle was interupted by his presence during the Apocalypse, as no new births happened. But I'm not sure what you mean here, he is inside yet being used Outside? I'm not sure if he literally sucks up souls, sealed Earwa off from souls re-entering, or if his presence caused the stillbirths not by blocking the souls but caused no new births to happen and that is what blocked the cycle of souls. [quote:2h0l4y1u]Hey, and remember that the chorae are called the "tears of god", yet they originate from the consult.[/quote:2h0l4y1u] Well their origins actually predate the Consult, they were made by the Non-men Aporetic Sorcerors under the tutelage and protection of the Inchoroi, before the Consult ever formed. They were given to the Men of Eanna when those Men invaded and fought against the Non-men and did the whole "Breaking of the Gates" deal and all that. Men; however, in general I don't think know it was the Inchoroi who were the source of the Chorae or under what guise the Inchoroi gave them too them. Since the Men of Eanna felt mandated by the Gods to invade and wage war against the Non-men obscenities (as they saw them) it is no wonder they saw them as heaven sent. Without the Chorae the Men of Eanna never would have been able to match the already weakened Non-men. view post


posted 02 Apr 2006, 22:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thanks Zarathustra, and some good thoughts there. I tend to think along the lines of the No-God being impossible to define given what we know, and I look forward to discovering more in AE. The No-God may still end up being nearly indefinable in any one way. view post


posted 02 Apr 2006, 23:04 in Tour and Signing InformationTORONTO, March 31st to April 2nd by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I wish I had of been able to make it, unfortunately the Ontario College instructors decided to go back to work this week and so my weekend was far too busy for me to break away and head to Ad Astra. view post


posted 03 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat we look like by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Here's me: [img:gcd381qd]http://sv1.randomcrap.net/uploads/files/3369/thumbnail/me_tb.jpg[/img:gcd381qd] BTW gierra *wolf whistle* lol :) view post


posted 03 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat is your favorite sport? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I played hockey from the time I was about 6 or so, but haven't played much over the last few years since I went to University and all. I still watch it alot. My favourite time is when the Winter Olympics rolls around. I snowboard when I can, even play golf. I'm a casual athlete at best. view post


posted 03 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Literature DiscussionWhy read fantasy? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I was always a big reader, and I think I always leaned a little towards the fantastic but it was definitly The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings that got me hooked. I read pretty much everything I can get my hands on thought ( not so much these days, not as much time) but I've continued my love of fantasy. World building is something I really find interesting and I love exploring these fantastic worlds. view post


posted 03 Apr 2006, 20:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha's dreams. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Not a bad idea H, I don't know why they changed, or by what mechanism of course. There could be any number of reasons. I don't think yours is that out there but I'm not sure if the remnant of Seswatha can actually foretell the future or anything. view post


posted 03 Apr 2006, 21:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":7y8o4a19] Very interesting points there, obv. I'm not the first to detect a link between the no-god and the dead god of the Scylvendi. [/quote:7y8o4a19] There is a link, I just think you had it backwards is all. Lokung is the No-God but I think the idea of the No-God comes before Lokung as oppossed to the other way around. [quote:7y8o4a19] I'll try and clarify the cycle of souls thing, EE. It seems to me that the passage of (human) souls from Earwa is determined by the gods to which they pay homage (do a good job worshiping in their chsen way, get a ticket to one of their pocket realities in the afterlife). For it to be a cycle, souls must obviously come the other way too. Thus, souls' passage from the world to the "outside" and vice versa must in some way be linked to the gods. [quote:7y8o4a19] Definitly, I wasn't disputing the cycle at all :) We don't know for sure if reincarnation actually happens or not, in fact the only options usually mentioned are damnation, salvation, or oblivion. But it is described as a cycle, which implies reincarnation. [quote:7y8o4a19] Remembering that the Scylvendi were originally one of the five tribes of men and were not allied to the consult [u:7y8o4a19]before[/u:7y8o4a19] the summoning of Mog-pharau, the fact that they worshipped only one god (I think he was the god of war too?) suggests that he was quite a major diety. [/quote:7y8o4a19] I'm don't recall any information from the books that talked about the Scylvendi's religious beliefs pre-apocalypse so I can't comment on that. I also only have access to TTT. I also don't recall exactly when the Scylvendi allied with the Consult, they appear to have at the least been allied with them since the beginning of the Apocalypse and they may have even been close to them before this. I don't think we've been given any information or details about this. [quote:7y8o4a19] Perhaps by summoning him [u:7y8o4a19]completely[/u:7y8o4a19] into the world (a more powerful version of summoning, and a good reason that such practices would lead to damnation), the Inchoroi were able to kind of subvert and short circuit the link that he originally played in the human cycle of souls. Thus, instead of passing into the outside or inhabiting the bodies of the babies for which they were destined on the way into the world, the souls were drawn to him ... creating a kind of whirldwind that constanly surrounded him even? This would make the Consult's aim of sealing the world off from the outside almost complete, they could've just sat in the Incu-Holinais and waited for everyone to die of old age, I guess... His carapace would be some kind of prison or casing for a pocket dimension that binds him. Well, it kinda makes sense to me... Oh yeah, and the only kind of diety that the Consult would venerate would be their instrument of liberation from damnation, he doesn't need to serve any other purpose to be the closest thing they would ever get to regarding as "holy".[/quote:7y8o4a19][/quote:7y8o4a19][/quote:7y8o4a19] The only thing I would point out is that the No-God is called the No-God for just that reason, I don't think he was an actual recognized diety from the Outside at any point in time. Of course We won't know anything about this until AE, if then. :) view post


posted 03 Apr 2006, 21:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Ok I'm going to post some thoughts based on the discussion above, but I'm too lazy to start quoting from multiple posts! :) Hehehe anyway Animals do not inherently have souls, but once in awhile an animal "awakens" and gains one. This is similar to the skin-spies. They are inherently soulless but at least once it happened that an aberation was born that had/gained a soul. Humans, Inchoroi, and Non-men are the only inherently souled creatures on the planet. Relating this back to the No-God and stillbirths I tend to see it as anti-life. But then again, Sranc were capable of reproducing during this period I believe, as were animals. So his presence was not anethema to all life, merely human. While we have soulless, intellgient, complex creatures that exist perhaps the soul is an inherent and necessary part of being human. In short... I can see two mechanisms by which the No-God interupted the cycle (merely somehow preventing new births) or by causing no new souls to be able to enter by his presence which caused the stillbirths. I tend to lean towards the former, but I don't discount the later. The Tekne and Sorcery work on completely different principles, although I am sure in some sense the Consult have blended the use of the two. The Synthese for instance are merely empty shells constructed by the Tekne, and the bulk of the Tekne seems to be more along the lines of genetic engineering/bio-engineering than anything. The Inchoroi, and now the Consult who has surpassed what the Inchoroi had left as far as knowledge goes, have had their technological sophistication refered to as being expert crafters of flesh. The origins of the Chorae lie with the Non-men. There was a group practicing Aporetic Sorcery, which as we know turns on paradox. The Non-men as a whole banned it because it was too dangerous and the Inchoroi ended up taking them in (this is prior to the formation of the Consult by quite some time). The Inchoroi and their Erratic Non-men allies used them during the wars that followed, and gave them to the men of Eanna to use against the Non-men as well during their religiously motivated invasions. I hope these observations and comments help clarify a few things in the discussion as well as providing some meaningful stuff to work with :) Lets keep it up folks. view post


posted 03 Apr 2006, 22:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha's dreams. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

So do I, it is quite important I think. After all there were so many differences in the Dream, and we can conjecture with reasonable certainty that Akka's personality itself is changing as he becomes more and more like Seswatha every day. view post


posted 03 Apr 2006, 22:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yes, bottom line is we don't know enough about the nature of the No-God to get much past the random speculation stage of theory building. I'm not sure if the Consult would be too concerned with no new humans being born anyway, they've probably made themselves pretty much immortal anyway, and as long as they ciorcumvent damnation they are fine. Like I said I lean more towards the fact that the presence of the No-God prevented life as opposed to blocked souls. It also may have some sort of connection/origin to the Outside, but it is not a diety in the traditional sense. Or should I say, not a God/Diety as one is defined within the world of tPoN. view post


posted 04 Apr 2006, 14:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat is your favorite sport? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

If you really work it you can wrap "hunting" and sex up into one big event! view post


posted 04 Apr 2006, 14:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha's dreams. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It's not so much that they are similar, it is that they are becoming more similar. Kelhus may share many aspects with him as well as far as being manipulative... but in that regard Kelhus makes Seswatha look like a bumbling school boy really. When the series began Achamian was this pudgy, doubting, cynical, middle-aged Sorceror. In many ways he loathed who and what he was, and I believe it was mentioned that in many regards he had always failed to live up to expectations. The one thing he exceled at was teaching but he saw himself as a failure there as well with how Proyas and Inrau turned out. So when we first see Akka he is a spy, although he doesn't seem to particularly enjoy that vocation. As the series progresses he becomes more self-assured, more defiant, and more of an individual. Esmenet remains his greatest strength and greatest weakness but by the end of TTT and his final rejection of her after she rejects him again well, all bets are off. Think of the imprint of Seswatha being this hidden kernel in all Mandate Sorcerors. We know that they are all shaped by the Dreams and by this imprinting, and that it even has some control over them (preventing them from betraying the Gnosis). In fact under torture it seems to come to the forefront even more than normal. As the series progresses you can see this kernel of Seswatha, this steely center if you will, becoming greater and greater. Achamian is still Achamian, but he is something more as well. Even Esmenet remarks on it a few times in TTT, how Achamian is becoming a new Seswatha in her eyes. view post


posted 04 Apr 2006, 14:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

For details about the Gods and such there is a little info from the books, and more in the TTT glossary. We don't know all the little details but we know who the recognized Gods of the Inrithi are, as well as the single God of the Fanim. Scott has also mentioned in the Q&A board I believe that "The No-God is called the No-God for exactly that reason" or something along those lines. The No-God seems to me to be an opposite of a God in many ways. The Dunyain would not side with the consult because of the issues of souls, they would side with the Consult to remove the influence of the Outside. The Dunyain see everything as one big equation. The Outside is a wild card variable which makes the equation impossible to solve to any specific degree. So in order for the Dunyain to attain their mission of being self-moving souls, they would need to remove the Outside from play. It isn't directly motivated by Damnation, in fact one could say that the possibility of Damnation by the Outside is merely an example of how the influence of the Outside bars one from being truly self-moving. The afterlife, we actually have gotten details about it from the books, and from the TTT glossary, as well as some clarifications from Scott. As I said in an earlier post there are essentially three possibilities: Redemption, Damnation, or Oblivion. Redemption) According to philosophers Gods have spheres of influence in little "pocket realms" of the Outside if you will (someone earlier used this phrase I think it was Curethan and I liked it). Their influence extends to the planet that the continent of Earwa is on and as you move away from the planet the influence becomes less and less. Now there is a reason why the Inrithi maintain ancestor lists as well as devoting themselves generally to one God (or one aspect of the Gode depending on how you view things.). Certain Gods are seen as rewarding your devotion (see the TTT glossary for how each God is viewed in this way) by granting your soul a place in their little reality after you die and your Soul passes to the Outside. Or, your ancestors who have earned a place in one of these little paradises may intercede on your behalf if they have the influence, and that will gte you there. Oblivion) This is what the Consult hopes for, and what the Scylvendi believe is the only option (I think). This means you basically didn't grab the attention of the Gods or of any Agencies of the Outside (such as Demons) or if the Consult succeeds it means the Outside has no influence over the souls when someone dies. Here you simply fade away into nothingness basically. Damnation) This is the fun one, and of course the religious views dictate that all Sorcerors are damned for practicing Sorcery. Other than Gods (there may be a few Gods who are seen as punishing Gods but I can;t recall if any are or not) there are other Agencies in the Outside, most of which that are not Gods would be termed as Demonic. Damned Souls are Damned because they come to the attention of these guys, who play with your soul for eternity. Sorcerors who practice the Daimos, it is hypothesized, are particularly damned because they automatically ear mark themselves for the attentions of the Demons they have summoned throughout their careers. view post


Re: what do you do posted 04 Apr 2006, 21:04 in Off-Topic Discussionwhat do you do by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="gierra":26dgzmvt] the best thing about working for a city company: they get rememberance day off as a holiday... and since my birthday is the day before... no hungover work days ! wooo! [/quote:26dgzmvt] Weird, you have the same birthday as my sister. She always loved it because as a kid she could have sleep over birthday parties whenever she wanted no matter the day of the week (and since I was only a grade ahead of her in school I was cool with all the girls being at my house too heh) and no she loves it for the same reason you do, she can go out on her birthday anytime since there is usually no university classes the next day. As for what I do, I'm a perpetual student I think. I finished my BSc in Biology and Chemistry (focused on Molecular Biology) last spring and I'm currently at Seneca College doing a one year training program in Bioinformatics and I finish that the end of the month. Right now I'm trying to get into a Masters Program at Dalhousie in Computational Biology/Bioinformatics. Yes... I am a geek :) Now I need to get back to beer and programming :) view post


posted 04 Apr 2006, 21:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat is your favorite sport? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well one could argue that the club scene is essentially hunting and sex (if your lucky) all rolled up into one. :) Not that I was ever really into that whole deal. If you want to take it further.... it's all good as long as the prey is consenting lol :) Oh man.... that really sounded sexist didn't it? I swear it wasn't! I'd be perfectly happy being the prey of a female sex hunter lol. view post


posted 04 Apr 2006, 21:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I just hit play on Amarok and the first random song to come up on my mega playlist was Dave Matthews Band - All Along the Watchtower... yea I'm mellow right now :) view post


posted 04 Apr 2006, 21:04 in Philosophy DiscussionTranshumanism and Genetic Engineering by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I should have been involved in this thread from the start but I missed on it because I usually don't check this section of the board as much as some of the others. Anyway given this is my field of expertise and knowledge I thought I'd chime in. The biggest issue socially is that if we allow say tampering in order to make humans better...stronger, faster, smarter, etc. it will increase the social divide. There will exist an upper class of "super" humans and a lower downtrodden class of the poor, destitute, an unenhanced. However if it was accessible to anyone who wanted it... I'd have no problem with it. With current regulations we don't allow permanent changes (as in hereditary changes), for instance any gene therapies targeted against genetic diseases won't affect whether the disease is passed on, it only affects the person who has the disease now. There is a good reason for this. Since we don't know all of the possible consequences genetically altering a persons gametes (sperm/egg producing cells) could cause new genetic problems in that persons offspring. So we don't allow it, which is smart. Theoretically the only complications that may arrise will come about in the patient and that is it. view post


posted 04 Apr 2006, 21:04 in Philosophy DiscussionDrugs by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I've never been a big drug user, social alcohol consumption has been about it, although I have tried pot as well. I just never felt a real need to smoke it regularly but will never turn it down if it is the right time for it so to speak. I'm pretty libertarian when it comes to what we do with our bodies, so I think that most drugs should be legal for adults to consume. Of course you also have to treat it appropriately in the way we do drunk driving... can't allow personal freedoms to impinge upon someone elses. Of course some drugs (like Meth for instance) are really, really bad. I don't think I know a single person who hasn't been completely screwed up because of that one. So I'd tend to take a little bit of a stronger stance on drugs like that simply out of common sense. I do agree with the statement that it isn't drugs in general that are bad, it is how certain people react to them. These reactions are both because of personality and even your genes (the same way with prescriptions drugs... alot of adverse reactions have a genetic root cause). view post


posted 04 Apr 2006, 21:04 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

American Gods was an interesting concept of divinity, and how not only did belief in "Thor" creat Thor but as people moved they made new copies of Thor. I actually really liked that theory myself and in some ways I think it is a distinct possiblity. The greatest thing about being a free-thinker is that more philosophical thought about metaphysics and such doesn't contradict with science and observations (only adherence to dogma ever contradicts what we see around us everyday). So my stance on dieties is "maybe" I really don't know. But I think that human perception shapes that concept somehow. view post


posted 04 Apr 2006, 21:04 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

And on a side note... I finally made 400+ posts! :) view post


posted 05 Apr 2006, 01:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat is your favorite sport? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thank you very much, and I definitly agree being hunted is way more fun :) view post


posted 05 Apr 2006, 01:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yes, basically all of our information stems from characters interpretation of things, and Scott himself is loathe to set down the "rules" so to speak from a perspective that isn't from the point of view of people in the world. After all it is a work and a world where metaphysics, meanings, and perception are key. What I meant by the Dunyain's motivation is that the thought of damnation itself, in my opinion, would not be the prime motivator. Moenghus knows there is an Outside, and yes he perceives it differently, I'm under the impression that he doesn't think the Outside really has any control over what happens in the world. (The whole sleeping God thing) However, if Kellhus is right (and the POV that Kellhus has, other than specifics of what he preaches seems to match up with perceptions of the Outside we have from other sources such as the Inchoroi and Consult) than the Outside and the Gods do have influence. If there is influence than the Dunyain can never achieve their mission. If Damnation is real after all, and you know it is real, than you cannot become self-moving because your motivations will stem from this knowledge/belief of reward/damnation as opposed to from within. I don't think Kelhus is mad, even though Moenghus thinks that he is. Moenghus and Kelhus shared such different experiences after the Scylvendi Steppe that they are bound to have gained radically different world views. Ultimately who is right? Perhaps neither, perhaps both it is hard to say. view post


posted 05 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSeswatha's dreams. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It's a similarliy in personality as opposed to action. Plus remember that it is Achamian that rouses Kelhus against the Consult, sort of... really the only reason Kelhus opposses them at first is because they try and kill him. Then he has his "revelation." Remember that until the Apocalypse was apparent, Seswatha wasn't very succesful in gaining support either, in fact only Celmomas believed him and even they became estranged at one point and Seswatha left. There is much more similarity in the actions of Achamian and Seswatha so far then between Kelhus and Seswatha, in fact Kelhus mirrors Celmomas in more ways than he does Seswatha. As for what Achamian will do now... there is alot of speculation but we know he'll be back. There is a 20 year gap between TTT and AE after all, I think he'll be on the lamb as a Wizard and probably studying what he can on his own. There is more magic in the world than that found in the Schools after all. view post


posted 05 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Dawnstorm":2huunoox]I don't quite understand that. Surely, if there is damnation it's just another problem you either have to solve or deal with. Much like gravity. No sweat. Cause and Effect (or Before/After) is a principle of the Logos, isn't it? So if the outside has certain properties that have certain behaviour result in certain consequences ("damnation"), then that's just another decision-making impetus. You can choose to behave one way or the other, knowing the consequences. In what ways would the existance of damnation be anything other than just another set of cause and effect? How does it prevent you from making your own decisions? If the point is that damnation places restrictions on your decisions, then, well, so does gravity. If the point is that damnation provides an "outside" motivation, then, may I point out that I assume the Dûnyain have to eat and sleep. These motivations don't really curb your "free will", unless you go into a hunger craze, or fall asleep on the spot. The Dûnyain response, I think, is not to abolish the need to eat, but to consciously decide when to eat, to know the effects of hunger and learn to deal with it, etc. The instrument to achieve this would be logical analysis and adequate behaviour. [/quote:2huunoox] Damnation, as a motivation or limitation is actually much different from the need to eat, gravity, etc. These are all natural rules that exist that determine bodily needs and what is physically possible. As such their limitations on the human psyche are minimal. After all when you are making decisions you don't decide "I would like to fly" and then "Damn you pesky gravity for not allowing me." But Damnation... that's a whole different ball game so to speak. The limitations it imposes are rather arbitrary, and you don't know how they effect you. For instance how many transgressions are you allowed before you are cosigned to torment? What sort of faith and action must you undertake in order to be rewarded? What is the balance that can be struck so as to gaurentee Oblivion? etc. Like I said it is a wildcard thrown into the equations of the Logos that would prevent the Dunyain from fulfilling Mission. Then you have the issue of whether Fanimry, Inrithism, or the Cults are more correct, and which one do you follow as a guide for Damnation, etc. So only through the removal of all of these unanswerable questions would the Dunyain be able to fully achieve what they seek. view post


posted 05 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Off-Topic Discussionhobbies? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I played alot of hockey growing up, and really need to get back into it on a regular basis to keep fit. I snowboard when I can but that usually amounts to once or twice a season if that. I'm a pretty big computer geek, but these days alot of my study is in the area where computers and biology cross paths so that explains that. :) I do a fair amount of gaming on my Xbox (360 these days), and when I'm living somewhere with friends who also enjoy it I do some tabletop gaming as well. Oh yea and I like beer :) I try and keep a healthy mix of stuff really I do some world creation/writing type stuff online to let the creative juices flow and am currently working on two different settings for RPG's. view post


posted 05 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionWords You Like or Don't Like by Entropic_existence, Moderator

paradigm, I love that word when it is used properly. Hmmm I like using old and somewhat outdated phrases like "ship shape" or something it is quite fun at times. view post


posted 05 Apr 2006, 20:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think the existence of Sorcery and the Onta alone speaks, to me anyway, about the difference in make up betwene the Outside and the Inside. I think my main point that as far as Damnation for instance, mortal souls cannot know the exact terms by which they may be damned or redeemed meaning that it is always a very much a wild card in any and all calculations. That and many of the options that will score you redemption are actions that would also contradict the Dunyains mission I think. (Can you imagine a Dunyain being pious and not merely on the outside?) view post


posted 05 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Philosophy DiscussionTranshumanism and Genetic Engineering by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Randal":3rsvmwz5]Cool, didn't know there were people working with this stuff on the forum. That guideline very sensible, and would I think alleviate some of the reservations people in this thread had. As for the social divide... that's the cause, not the effect. Genetic engineering will give the upper class yet another tool to consolidate their position, but only because they already have the dominant position. At worst, it will reinforce the existing divide, but I doubt it will create a new one.[/quote:3rsvmwz5] It won't create a new one but it will widen the gap to an amazingly huge degree. Further stratification of society isn't really something we want to have happen in the western world. Except of course Capitalism itself is built on the backs of the disenfranchised :) The poor actually contribute more to the economy than the rich do. view post


posted 06 Apr 2006, 02:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think what I meant by the Onta is that for those that perceive it, it is different from the physical world that everyone else sees, which to me implies that the Outside is different as well, as the Onta is the "true" fabric so to speak. I think with the amount of symbolism and the philsophical aspects of the books that Scott has introduced that is is more likely, in my opinion, for the Outside and the "world" to be quite different at least on most levels. But who knows :) For me I think becoming a Self-Moving soul is more thab an enhanced version of Free Will, which is how I;ve intereprested your statements. In my opinion the Dunyain want to rise above all instinct, all prior conditioning... they want to be elevated above history, convention, and the ingrained norms of human behaviour that they see as chains. Obviously the laws of Physics can't be overcome, but virtually everything else can. The thing with the threat of Damnation is that it doesn't actually mesh with the logcail reasonings of the Logos, and often impedes the Shortest Path. If you tried to accomodate this into a new version of the Logos (which you could do but I think even this taint radically alters the goal the Dunyain want to achieve and shifts them into a similar but not identical path, parallel if you will.) It would still be impossible to do the calculations due to the uncertainty principle. I think I shall term this principle the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle :) For say two actions A and B that both contain possible moral quandries that tie into damnation. But you don't know all of the things that factor into the calculation of whether you become damned or not, ultimately I imagine that barring a few "givens" (and who knows if Sorcerors are really damned anyway) there is some element of randomness and whim/luck to the whole thing. So it would always be impossible to decide between A and B based on logic if you don't have enough data to compute the probabilities. Hmmm I have no idea if that makes any sense what so ever :) view post


Outside, Dunyain, and the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle posted 06 Apr 2006, 02:04 in Author Q &amp; AOutside, Dunyain, and the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle by Entropic_existence, Moderator

We've been having a little discussion over on the TT board about the nature of the No-God, some idle speculation about the Outside, and the assertion that Kelhus makes that ultimately he believes the Dunyain would side with the Consult if they knew what he knew. Anyway I have a sort of question, really I'll just post my thoughts on the matter and hopefully you can at least tell me how logical they are Scott and if I'm close to the mark :) My thoughts are that the Outside is the ultimate wild card variable, and that it's existence and influence on the world ultimately is a barrier to the mission of the Dunyain to become Prime Movers. One example is for instance Damnation, sure there are some scriptural laws/actions/evidence that denote some actions as being worthy of Damnations (such as practicing Sorcery), although I am sure that even if the Dunyain accept the Outside and Damnation they would still tend to reject scriptures written by men. Even if they accepted it in part, to me the idea of Damnation is still something of a card game with some level of arbitrary on the action of the dealers (The Agencies of the Outside), so I don't see any real gaurentees. This is what I have decided to call the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle :) Given that you can't really say exactly what would or would not condemn your soul after your death it becomes the ultimate monkey wrench in the calculation so to speak. Anyway those are just some of my thoughts. Obviously where with your work we see everything through the lens of the characters there are many things that I merely take at relative face value but the only main assumptions I make are that the Outside exists, Damnation is a real possibility, and that the Agencies of the Outside have some control ovet that possiblity. Any response is welcome, even a RAFO :) view post


posted 06 Apr 2006, 19:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Amoral Khellus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The only problem I have with saying that Kelhus becomes more moral is this... is he really? Kelhus may no longer be Dunyain, and really see himself as something more, but his true motivations remain unknown to us, even his own POV's (which are becoming fewer and fewer out of necessity) are relatively murky here. Primarily we see Kelhus through the lens of others, which is to see we see him as he wants to be seen to the Inrithi. In my opinion Kelhus will never be a truly moral character, or a good guy. It just isn't his style :) I would posit that his motivations still remain largely selfish and that much of what he preaches is for the "unwashed masses" so to speak. Certainly he has changed, and the framework of the world that he uses has changed from that of the Dunyain, but I'm personally not prepared to make any assertions as to how much more moral they are. view post


posted 06 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Author Q &amp; AFan art for the PoN by Entropic_existence, Moderator

When I picture Cnaiur I often see him as the sort of archetypal intelligent barbarian, much in the manner of Conan (literature as opposed to the movies. In the books he was actually quite intelligent), although with a build that is leaner, but still brutishly muscled if that makes any sense. Cnaiur always seems to me like he should be this larger than life figure. Tall, hard, lean, well muscled, intimidating and radiating this aura and posture of barely contained violence. view post


posted 06 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Philosophy DiscussionTranshumanism and Genetic Engineering by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The rich have more buying power, but the poor actually buy more I guess is what I meant by the poor driving the economy and the capitalist model, rather than contributing moor to it. I should have phrased it a little different I guess. But yes the lower classes are more of a driving force than the rich. Think about what the rich do with their money, which is generally investment. No of course investment is very, very important I won't dispute that. No what else do they do? How about buying? Well the really rich tend to buy big ticket items that while pricey don't sell in large enough volumes to mean that much on a large scale (mansions and yachts for instance). Whereas the middle class and below tend to spend more on good and services that are sold en masse. And no you're right, I didn't mean the disenfranchised as in those people who have nothing. But one could argue that low income earners (people working 2-3 minimum wage jobs for instance) are how most mega corporations are able to make the amount of money they do (hiring 3 part-time workers is cheaper than hiring one full-time worker because part-timers don't need benefits, etc). One could certainly argue that these people in many ways are disenfranchised to some degree. (Sure they have a place to sleep, food in their belly, and can vote though) Anyway this is a little off topic and I'm not an economist, political scientist, or anything so I don't have much expertise in the area to debate the finer points. :) But as to the topic at hand, I think that under the current systems most western nations employ the technology, unchecked, would only lead to greater class divides in the western world which probably would not be good for stability, productivity, etc. view post


posted 06 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Heh as a Fark.com user by the same username I've seen where flamewars that involve religion head to, and usually it is straight to hell :) view post


posted 07 Apr 2006, 01:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I probably should have said Laws od Nature versus Laws of Physics, but yes even then Sorcery does circumvent them somehow, or at least enable one to overcome them in some way (Like the floating "climbing into the sky" thing). Althought makes another interesting point... notice that Sorcerors don't fly, they don't levitate, they actually physically step/walk/climb into the sky. Which makes one think about how it is actually accomplished. The Dunyain actually do want to repudiate history, history is in their mind actually one of the primary shackles of humanity that they overcome. Actually I also think it is something that they have overcome (of course I don't necessarily think the Dunyain are right, merely that this is their viewpoint). As for bodily functions, yea obviously the need to eat isn't likely to to be overcome to a significant extent but they do have control over their bodily urges. I think for the most part we're merely disagree'ing on some semantic issues and only a few other "key" points. You also have a much better language to work with than my rough and dirty education in philosophy so most of the semantic disagreements I'm conceding to you :) I think we've hashed out a good framework between us heh. For me the No-God is so radically different I simply cannot rationalize anything to explain it right now. For me so far anyway, it actually stands outside of my reference frame. And I like that. view post


posted 07 Apr 2006, 02:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Amoral Khellus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yes, well it depends on how you judge morals, after all once can argue that morality is flexible in the fact that what is "good" and what is "bad" is different for different people from different backgrounds. I think the Dunyain as a society don't really have morals, because morals is just one more construct of humanity that ultimately has no meaning, and is an impediment to Mission. Kelhus is "more", or at least that is what he says to Moenghus upon their meeting but ultimately it is hard to fathom why he opposes the Consult. I certainly don't think he is doing it for the "good of humanity" so to speak. Without knowing his motivations it is impossible to say whether he is doing "good" or "bad". His actions and methods are definitly still far removed from what we would call moral acts. Again, how much of what he preaches does he believe? I think some of it he does, and that it is insights he has gleamed and rationalized out with intellect (although he could very well be wrong). but there is alot that is definitly just done so he can continue to manipulate. Ultimately he may very well remain directly opposed to the Consult, and do everything possible to defeat them in the coming Second Apocalypse. He could be the saviour of humanity and still be amoral :) view post


posted 07 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Amoral Khellus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Edge of Certainty":x4h1h6fh] Is it possible that the consult's plan threatens his existance? lol, to "seal off" the Outside, doesn't the consult need to kill off all humans? Doesn't Kellhus fall into that particular group? or am i misunderstanding the concept of sealing off the outside? Anyway, I think Kellhus does believe most of what he preaches, of course, that's only judging from how kellhus conducted himself infront of mohengus.[/quote:x4h1h6fh] Well obviously there plan is to kill of the majority not all (there are two Inchoroi, Non-men Erratics, and Humans in the Consult and they all have souls) to produce some sort of mass effect. That is what we think anyway. I can't see opposition to this to be his only motivation, maybe not even the primary one. As for believing what he preaches, afraid we'll have to disagree, I don't think he believes the majority of it but that is merely my opinion really. What he talked about with Moenghus is actually a pretty small fraction of what he actually preaches. I would say most of his ideas concerning the Outside, the Consult, etc that comes up with Moenghus yea, he believes those. view post


posted 07 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Dawnstorm":2307ivvy] For me, the No-God isn'r so radically different. He's as inscrutable to me as any god/demon/metaphysicalism/etc. ;)[/quote:2307ivvy] Good point :) view post


posted 07 Apr 2006, 13:04 in Philosophy DiscussionTranshumanism and Genetic Engineering by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Actually GMO crops are made to be infertile for safety reasons, not for profit. I think it is required by government regulations. This is to prevent the spread of these crops into wild populations or to cross fertilize with neighboring fields, etc. The EU doesn't allow GM crops as far as I am aware although there might have been a change in that rather recently. Africa is a bad thing to bring into the mix, because the western world (which includes the EU :) ) has thoroughly screwed that continent up. I would agree that capitalism as practiced in Europe is, in my opinion, better than in the US. Canada is somewhere between the two (most part-time workers don't have benefits but then again we have socialized medicare). But I don't really think it would be cheap enough to have true universal access to the technology for non-medical purposes, not anytime soon anyway. view post


posted 07 Apr 2006, 13:04 in Philosophy DiscussionChe Guevara by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think he had good intentions, but his methods are suspect. I also think he is quite overhyped among people in my age bracket (college students, etc) who really know little about him, the history of his revolution, etc. view post


posted 07 Apr 2006, 21:04 in Author Q &amp; AOutside, Dunyain, and the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I don't think the Inchoroi, Non-men and Consult believe in the dictates of the Tusk. We haven't yet seen the religious beliefs of the Non-men by any means. There are many reasons why the Erratics began joining with the Inchoroi, and we don't know if the Inchoroi's original war with the Non-men had the same motivation as that of the Apocalypse. All we know is that the Inchoroi and the Consult as a whole believe in the possibility of Damnation not how closely their beliefs align with the Tusk. (And given that the Tusk condemns Non-men and instigated an idea of extermination among the Tribes of Men who follow the Tusk I don't think they think to highly of human scripture. :) ) view post


posted 07 Apr 2006, 21:04 in Philosophy DiscussionTranshumanism and Genetic Engineering by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Sokar":3d472r8e]Interesting point you make.. not for profit but safety?? I would doubt that, but it could be true... Something I personally think.[/quote:3d472r8e] The companies obviously also want to limit the methods of reproduction so that they are the sole providor but government regulations based on safety are also in place in this regard. They also do it (in the case of Monsanto) so that someone can't get ahold of their product and plant it without actually buying it from them and then claiming that it was due to cross pollenization from a neighbouring field. So really it's a little of column A and a little of column B sort of deal. Without the regulation most producers would also want their crop to be sterile, although some companies would see that they could make profit by having theirs be fertile so we would see a mix I think. [quote:3d472r8e] As it goes for EU, it does allow 17 GMO's that are used in foodstuffs, but it does not allow the actual growth of genetically modified crops. [quote:3d472r8e] Yea I know that until recently they didn't even allow the import of GM crops from Canada and the US. [quote:3d472r8e] Finally, I don't think the term cheap (technology) fits to your meaning, at least if I got it correctly. The reason for technology to remain in the West, is dominance, and while dominant, there is no need for further spreading this technological advancement. See it from AIDS perspective.. There was no care about the virus until it spread itself to the West, the reason for concern about the virus is not the poor Africans, but the ignorant Westerners, thus care about AIDS is evident only in preservation of the self dominance. (though this in a way, of course, proves me wrong in the initial point)[/quote:3d472r8e][/quote:3d472r8e][/quote:3d472r8e] By cheap I mean the cost of the actual procedure (in the case of genetically modifing people). Yes market principle dictates that it would become progressively cheaper but by the time that happened I think negative social effects would have already come into play. So my analogy isn't really about the effect between countries but within individual countries. It would not be economically feasible to allow open access to everyone and so would be very expensive. Then only the upper class can afford it and start enhancing their children. By the time the lower classes can access the technology the enhanced are already grown up. Of course it might even itself out over the course of a decade or two, who knows. Like I said earlier I don't think the technology is inherently bad, but there would be unavoidable social consequences. view post


posted 08 Apr 2006, 23:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="shortyboomboom":9i9fyi1z]1/ Has Kellhus become Mog Pharau? Is the No-God walking once more...? Is this Kellhus his new avatar...? This extremely big and powerful creature summoned by the Consult/Inchoroi was another avatar of the No-God? Is Kellhus the new name of the No-God? 2/ If the world is sealed does that mean that the Inchoroi will no longer be able to enter Ishwa? Is Mog Pharau's aim to protect Ishwa from the Inchoroi? Or protect himself from other powerful entities...?? Did the Inchoroi intend to summon Mog Pharau to save themselves? Was it Mog Pharau who summoned the Inchoroi to do his bidding? 3/ Kellhus is now going to exterminate men right? Somehow he will use TTT to do that...use religion as excuse for war....as opposed to the No-God's earlier attempts using instinct driven creatures w/o souls....Kellhus is going to bring about the apocalypse...how ironic....maybe Non-men, rebel men and Consult will ally themselves to fight the No-God.[/quote:9i9fyi1z] Um.... not to sound rude or anything but.... what? Kelhus isn't the No-God, that isn't to say that the possibility of him ultimately ending up to be a bad guy isn't a possibility but yea... they definitly aren't one and the same. All indications point to Kelhus opposing the Consult for his own reasons. Other than to be used as a weapon to exterminate as many souled entitites from the world as possible we don't know what other motivations the Inchoroi had for summoning the No-God, if there were any others. But given that he is either a tool, or even at the same time the leader of, the Consult we won't see them fighting against him any time soon. I'm really not sure what version of Prince of Nothing you were reading but I think you might have gotten confused a little bit. view post


posted 08 Apr 2006, 23:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="shortyboomboom":2n465e2m]So the No-God and the God are not the same.... Kellhus wanted to know more about the No-God....hence the latter might be his enemy.... God's extension being through souls, the No-God through instinct and void.... The Inchoroi side with the No-God...how odd...? Both seem to want to seal off the world...? So they have something of a common quest. Killing humans would be the solution... Maybe Kellhus wants all men to enlighten and defend themselves as one. Sealing off of the world would no longer be necessary, though I do not really see the reason for sealing the world apart from the damned...?Make everyone aware of what the world is...so that outside forces cannot influence it too much.... what outside forces?[/quote:2n465e2m] The No-God is called the No-God for obvious reasons, being that he is not a God but appears to be Godlike in many ways. We really don't know the No-God's nature at all. The "God" is a synthesis of the gods by the Inrithi. Originally there were the cults back in the days of the tusk and up until the days of Inri Sejenus (the cults still do exist as a seperate entity as well which is the father of Inrithism. Their followers are not seen as heathen by the Inrithi but more as misguided kin). Inri Sejenus decided that all of the gods were merely aspects of One God and so we have "The God". Then there is the "Solitary God" of the Fanim. Other than this we don't know that much about how well religious beliefs reflect the actuality of the Outside. We also don't know how much of Kelhus theory of everyone being reflections of the God is true or if he even believes it. He could just be spinning words. It's difficult to take anything Kelhus says at face value. And of course the Inchoroi and No-God are on the same side. The Inchoroi were working on summoning him way back in the Cuno-Inchoroi wars and then when the school that became the Consult joined them they managed to do just that in the First Apocalypse. It is the Consult who wants to seal off the world because they are already damned. This thought I believe originated with the Inchoroi. view post


posted 09 Apr 2006, 15:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thanks WP view post


posted 09 Apr 2006, 15:04 in Philosophy DiscussionChe Guevara by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I don't want to get into a debate about the merits and flaws of communism but I'll just say that as an ideal it is great. Unfortunately human nature has prevented true marxism from ever being achieved as a government style. Some places have gotten close but they've never passed the dictator stage. (And BTW Gierra wasn't wrong in saying that is generally requires a violent revolution. The workers have to come to power sometime and while populist and democratic reforms sometimes lead to a communist government it is usually a coup or revolution in arms) As for Che, while he was part of the Cuban government he was one of the people primarily responsible for the Cuban Missile crisis. While I'm not going to say whether acquiring the weapons themselves was right or wrong I believe he is one record as saying if they had of been under cuban control they would have been launched on US cities. I think the point is that Che is a mixed figure. He's done good things, and I also think there is sufficient evidence for real criticisms of his actions as well. Most people in the west who idealize him tend to simply embrace the good and ignore the rest. I would bet that a good 80-90% of people you see wearing a Che Gueverra shirt know little to nothing about real revolution. view post


posted 09 Apr 2006, 22:04 in Philosophy DiscussionTranshumanism and Genetic Engineering by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Sokar":2l51wpi4]Since I have nothing to add to the comments you make (as I understood them from the international point of view, but in a way they do apply to both) I'll just say what my brother keeps on saying when it comes to dangers of technology: Do you think the inventors of a car would actually introduce it to the market if they knew how many people die from a car accident each year?[/quote:2l51wpi4] But because of those deaths governments implement guidelines on their use, safety regulations, etc. As it applies to my original argument I said I have no problems with the technology itself, I only cautioned that it would need to be used wisely and was pointing our possible drawbacks. view post


posted 09 Apr 2006, 22:04 in Philosophy DiscussionChe Guevara by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Edge of Certainty":3a8iapyj][quote="Entropic_existence":3a8iapyj]I don't want to get into a debate about the merits and flaws of communism but I'll just say that as an ideal it is great. Unfortunately human nature has prevented true marxism from ever being achieved as a government style.[/quote:3a8iapyj] I completely agree. I know too many people who dismiss communism as a form of government that will never work simply because it's somthing other than democracy.[/quote:3a8iapyj] I don't think it is likely to work anytime soon, not on large scales anyway. It works great at the community level but on a national level it tends not to work quite so well. People need to overcome their base instincts for it to ever work on a large scale. Have fun trying to dislodge the beauracrats that are high up within "The Party" who merely replaced those they rallied against. view post


posted 10 Apr 2006, 11:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Primal":vudyl982] All the mandate schoolmen use one voice to utter the gnosis; Achamian told Kellhus about the legend of a powerful sorcerer who uttered [i:vudyl982]two[/i:vudyl982] voices but said that such a thing was an impossibility, a myth. Kellhus utters not one...not two but [i:vudyl982]three[/i:vudyl982] voices. [/quote:vudyl982] Just a little correction, all Mandate Schoolmen use two voices (the utteral and the inutteral), and Achamian was thinking about the legend of a Non-men Sorceror who could use two inutteral strings when Kelhus asked but he never actually told him the story. Kelhus worked it out on his own on how to use one utteral and two inutterals. view post


posted 10 Apr 2006, 11:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his &quot;good guy&quot; status. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

If I was going to rank the actions of Kelhus and Cnaiur as "most evil" (excluding the good actions of both) I think Kelhus's would rank as more evil. Cnaiur may rape and kill you for looking at him sideways but he'll let you know it. Kelhus would trick you into dropping your own pants and bending over so to speak. He'd also convince you to ask for it and say please. view post


posted 10 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Off-Topic Discussionhobbies? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I watch too many design and renovation shows... it makes me itch to live in a place that I can at least paint however I want and be there long enough for it to be worthwhile heh. view post


posted 10 Apr 2006, 20:04 in Literature DiscussionFavorite books/series by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="gierra":n0gu77pk]anything by robert rankin. i've only read 'the hollow chocolate bunnies of the apocalypse' and 'the witches of chiswick' so far, and working my way through 'the brightonomicon' as i type.. but he is awesome. provided you like twisted british humour.[/quote:n0gu77pk] I'll have to check it out, I generally prefer british humour above anything grown in North America. It's always so much more cerebral and witty. view post


posted 10 Apr 2006, 23:04 in Philosophy DiscussionChe Guevara by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="sokar":1lynmivi] I would never accept human nature as an argument, human nature is created through history. Greed and jelousy (which you are probably referring to) cannot be justified as human nature, most closely a common human trait, yet not one that is absolute and cannot be overcome through change of society. Of course this change should remain consistent. [/quote:1lynmivi] Just because it can be overcome doesn't mean it isn't human nature. Humans in a natural state are not as altruistic as some people seem to think that they are sometimes. Sometimes altruism is good for survival, but generally speaking we are hardwired to do what we have to survive. I'm not saying that this justifies greed and jealousy, but it is what it is. My argument was that no where that has tried to implement marxism has the society overcome this to the degree necessary for it to really work. Usually it is failure of the leaders, not the people. [quote:1lynmivi]"Some places have gotten close but they've never passed the dictator stage." It is impossible to overcome a form of dictatorial stage in any form of society. The international relations of states will simply not allow this to happen. If you look into a history of US you will find plenty of dictatorial rules applied on the population, keeping in mind the international relations. [/quote:1lynmivi] I don't see how this supports the argument one way or the other. I'm not even sure what you mean by dictatorial rules being applies on the population. Draconian perhaps but the common usage of dictatorship is one person controlling the government with pretty much absolute authority. Other then perhaps during the formation of the US government system I don't think this has ever occured. There have been leaders who have abused their powers, and leaders and groups who have enacted draconian laws and measures but I can't think of any instances of a leader being an actual dictator. I'm not advocating for or against any particular method of government here, and I'm also not an American and would definitly not hold up their system as the best. How does the international relations of states demand a dictator? As far as I know it only requires some form of representation and a means by which they can communicate and ratify agreements and treaties. The simple fact is I cannot think of any state level of marxism or other flavour of communism that managed to get past a realtively early stage of the process. I would argue that there never has been a true Marxist nation in our history. Most have simply enacted communist practices and still managed to concentrate the power in the hands of a few. They merely swapped one class in the struggle for another. The Party Elite that make up the oligarchy at the top are still at the top. I don't see how that gives the people power or does much in bringing about the communist ideal [quote:1lynmivi] Granted, marxism cannot work on a large scale, but I dare you to find any form of government that can. We don't have democracy, it's the same lie. The mere fact of existence of a bureaucracy is enough proof for this. [/quote:1lynmivi] There are many different forms of democracy and having a bureaucracy in place doesn't automatically turn it into a democracy. If the will of the people is carried out in the formation of laws and governing of the nation then that is a democracy of some flavour. There is ideal participatory democracy but that will never happen as it cannot exist outside of the community level at best. Once you get to a sufficiently large level you need an administrative body to deliver services, ideally it is non-partisan. If it carries out the will and laws of the people it is not undemocratic. Of course I don't think most western democracies do that good of a job of representing the population. Having lobby and special interest groups clamouring for the ear of the government undermines democracy more than anything else in the western world. view post


posted 10 Apr 2006, 23:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his &quot;good guy&quot; status. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Intent, not method, is often more telling when looking at something like this. Sorry but I'm sticking to what I said... Kelhus' actions are frequently "more evil" in a moral sense than those of Cnaiur. Cnaiur is deranged and nasty, but he does his dirty work himself and does it to your face. Kelhus manipulates on a mass level in order to achieve his goals, using people as tools. view post


posted 11 Apr 2006, 19:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionIncreased amounts of Guests? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Meh I'd rather they join. I usually join a new message baord and read alot of posts and just watch some conversations before jumping in right away, or at least before I post new subjects. we've had some problems with spam advertising here in the past so just because there are a bunch of guests doesn't mean some of them aren't bots attempting to do stuff :) But for aqll you lurkers :) Welcome to the party, register and juts jump in on the conversations we won't bite. view post


posted 11 Apr 2006, 19:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his &quot;good guy&quot; status. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Neitzchian Superman and the Dunyain definitly have alot of parallels. Regardless of someone being superior or not, manipulation is still hardly "good" on the moral scale. I'm not saying I wouldn't be the exact same way in Kelhus's position, or that it isn't the proper path to take. Merely pointing out where it tends to fall on the whole collective moral scale, in my opinion. Besdies as far as comparing him to Cnaiur, one could argue that Cnaiur is deranged and a sociopath, he can hardly help it :) Meh they are both in the gray to black shade of the spectrum and one can point to various things to try and label one as worse than the other. I think I'm going to go with they are both equally bad just in different ways. view post


posted 11 Apr 2006, 19:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I was correcting Primal's post Mordecai, and yes Kelhus certainly was pressed. But then again he was up against five Cishaurim at once, and I think they were all Primaries if I recall correctly. I wouldn't say their power goes above mere Sorcery, since their power IS sorcery, it is simply of a different flavour than the Anagosis or the Gnosis. view post


posted 11 Apr 2006, 19:04 in Philosophy DiscussionChe Guevara by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Sokar":1jfq21rj]Entropic_existence -> Generally we are of the same opinion, except n the human nature part and lack of explanation on dictatorial rule from my part. The mistake you made is saying that Marxism failed because the degree of "human nature" has not been overcome. But you fail to see (or just don't include) two reasons for this: 1. The world as a whole, international scene, thus also pressure from outside. It is arguable how much US influenced the Soviet Union in its course of history, but I would say that without the US, or generally any other international pressure, there would be no need for the leaders to fail their people. Of course the same is true for US, or any other 'superpower'. 2. And as mentioned the consistency. After 80 years of the SU existence, one cannot really change this "human nature", it would be practically impossible, especially if you keep in mind the hardships of the population due to the international scnene. [/quote:1jfq21rj] If Marxism cannot exist as a viable governmental system in the international community, or spawn the worldwide workers revolution that it promises, than it still failed. Regardless of reasons it didn't work. Plus I think you are shifting far too much of the blame for its failure on the international community. Anytime you put people in positions of authority and power, the liklihood of them giving that up is measurable. The greater the power and authority they hold and the smaller than liklihood becomes. [quote:1jfq21rj]By dictatorial rule I actually mean the manipulation. I am talking about the patriot act of the recent for example (though I heard it there are some things happening to chage that). But in general, in the US, there are many similar situation where the population has no say on the things mostly influencing them in the long-run, reason is usually national security. Again, not only US, but any 'superpower' in history has had the same action. This is the reason I say there is no democracy and that it is the same lie. This just as well explains how there is a need for dictator in the international scene. [/quote:1jfq21rj] That is draconian or authoritarian rule, not dictatorial by definition. Democracies often do really bad things in the name of the governed, just as dictatorships do really bad things. Is there such a thing as a true and pure democracy on the planet? No, at least not on the state level. As I've said before communism is a good ideal, and works pretty well on the community level. Participatory Democracy, or some Democracy of some kind will tend to work better on the State/Nation level. The catch is you need to make it as participatory as possible and have it still remain viable. Capitalism is a whole different issue, and I'm not going to touch it. I don't think the current model works, or at least is sustainable nor does it lend itself very well to a democratic society. I would argue that most western nations are actually hybrid democractic/oligrachy situations. Sure a regular person can get into government but most people there are career politicians and industrialists with their own vested interests above those of the people they are supposed to represent. view post


posted 12 Apr 2006, 00:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionIncreased amounts of Guests? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think most of them are some sort of bot... I haven't seen less than 20+ at any given time of the day today. view post


posted 12 Apr 2006, 19:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his &quot;good guy&quot; status. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="superkeer":1wgzd54s]Curethan has a point at the moment. As opposed to other "evil" acts, the morality of manipulation can be largely dependent on the end result of said manipulation. If everything turns out for the best, and Khellus saves the world, then hardly anyone could view him more harshly than just "the lesser of all evils." But if he does something terrible, something completely selfish, well, then...[/quote:1wgzd54s] If someone is manipulated into say... sacrificing their life for instance, when that sacrifice isn't required, but then everything turns out "for the best" where would it stand on the morality scale? :) Manipulation can lead to good and positive outcomes, but it is still manipulation. The road to hell being paved with good intentions and all that. view post


posted 13 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his &quot;good guy&quot; status. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I've only taken one course in philosophy so I'm not exactly a pro with it either. If the sacrifice was essential, for me it isn't necessarily as bad, but then again, co-opting someones free will is always wrong no matter the how or the why I think. It happens all the time in the real world and we usually don't even realize it. view post


posted 13 Apr 2006, 14:04 in Philosophy DiscussionChe Guevara by Entropic_existence, Moderator

No it simply has to do with the definition of dictator, and more specifically the way dictatorial and authoritarian (I believe) are usually applied in discussions of political science. Things like the Patriot Act in the US are, in my mind, authoritarian, or more accurately draconian measures. In order for them to be dictatorial in the poli sci sense of the word the US would need to be run by a dictator which it isn't. Nothing to do with the popularity or lack of in the world. It's just a subtle difference in definition but I think it is an important one. As for Che I don't see him as a Hitler, but I don't really see him as a Hero either. He did some good things, he did some crappy things, and he also did some incredibly incompetent things. view post


posted 13 Apr 2006, 21:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus, his divinity, and his &quot;good guy&quot; status. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Kelhus is probably best labelled as amoral, as you are right Curethan, the Dunyain are radically different to the rest of humanity when it comes to morals. However for the sake of the debate I was comparing them on our own moral scale as opposed to where they stand on their own. Yes communication is manipulation, but say philosophical discourse doesn't normally try and circumvent logical or rational thought processes. Kelhus and the Dunyain do. In essence they aren't trying to convince you of something to get you to do what they want, they use semantic tricks, superior intellect, and a superior knowledge of the human psyche to in essence tell you what you think. Sort of ties into a thread that Scott started in the Q&A section about neuromarketing and what it is trying to achieve. view post


posted 13 Apr 2006, 21:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well I'm going by Scotts own words and some of the elaborations on metaphysics he has been willing to provide in discussions on the Q&A thread to define Sorcery. Anagogic and Gnostic Sorcery hinge on meaning and are primarily intellectually driven, whereas the Psukhe hinges more on passion/emotion. ("They remember the Gods heart" whereas Anagogic/Gnostic sorcerors "remember the mind/voice"). They are quite different in how they operate but by an outside definition (which is often easiest/best to work with in order to avoid confusion) they are both Sorcery. Again I don't disagree that they are different, they are radically different. There are also other non-School sanctioned sorcerous practices out there (Witches) which similarly are also likely going to prove quite different. view post


posted 13 Apr 2006, 21:04 in The Thousandfold Thoughtif you were in his shoes... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I also think the argument of Kelhus taking Esmenet somehow saved her to not be entirely accurate. Esmenet, above all, is a survivor. Somehow I think she still would have found a role in the Holy War and managed to survive. At the point of Akka's "death" I think alot of the people in that circle would have helped look after her. She had become more than a whore to even them. view post


Re: HUH? posted 13 Apr 2006, 21:04 in Author Q &amp; AOutside, Dunyain, and the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mahajanga Mordecai":1890d8qk]And yet they are willing to close the world to the Outside. Why if not for fear of the "truth" of the scriptures?[/quote:1890d8qk] Just because they recognize the odea of Damnation doesn't mean they are getting that recognition from the Scriptures. The Non-Men appeared to have had a civilization far more advanced than the one of the Tribes of Men in Eanna (who are no in Earwa) in the time of the Tusk. I think Scott has mentioned before that they had their own religious beliefs we just haven't seen what they are yet. It is also compounded by the fact that Sorcery may not have anything to do with this idea of Damnation. I think the Inchoroi thought they were damned due to their nature and the acts they perform. The Non-Men Erratics who are members of the Consult similarly commit acts of depravity so that they can remember them. All we really know is they: a) think damnation is a real possibility b) want to overcome that I don't think either of these stems from the Tusk which is human religion. Look at real world religions and catalogue unrelated ones that have a conception of heaven/hell or other things they have in common. view post


Re: My point exactly... posted 14 Apr 2006, 14:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mahajanga Mordecai":2kyumy6d]Beautifully said Curethan. And I agree with you too EE. Both your statements work toward my point. The cognitive crafts are limited to the intellect of the user; to the mind. The channlers are limited only by the strength and dept of their souls. It, theoretically, makes them limitless. This is what I meant by the Psuke being more than "mere sorcery." Just my two ensolarri.[/quote:2kyumy6d] They are both still limited, just by different factors. Look at how limited Moenghus is in most aspects of the Psukhe because he is a Dunyain and is passionless. I can see the "channeling" as a metaphor though, although I don't think that is really what they are doing, it is merely a different approach to Sorcery by "remembering the heart" of the God as opposed to his mind as the Anagogic or Gnostic Sorcerors do. I think the main point is there are limits and benefits to both and I don't think either is necessarily "more". Remember that the Psukhe has an advantage in being indistinguishable from the Gods own work (which Kelhus reasoned was because by blinding themselves they can "see" from more angles than the other Sorcerors who similarlily conceptualize the world from more angles than lay people) but it is also considerably cruder in application and use than either the Anagogic or Gnostic Sorceries. Which to me makes sense given it is passion driven. It is hard to "refine" passion if you will. Passion tends to spill put and run like a raging river if you will :) Also makes a good analogy for the whole Spilling Water, in that it is the most powerful of the Cishaurim's arts and is like spilling out raw destructive forces. view post


posted 14 Apr 2006, 23:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow odd... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Joina circus :) We need to start back up the whole idea of travelling freak shows. view post


posted 14 Apr 2006, 23:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Aspect Emperor, Inrithism, Fanimry, and the Schools by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I think it was just that he was found by some Fanim and as he suspected it was probably a charm or blessing to aid in his recovery. Maybe it will have some special significance but for now I lean towards it simply being a blessing. view post


posted 15 Apr 2006, 02:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Aspect Emperor, Inrithism, Fanimry, and the Schools by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Nah, Fanimry is pretty obviously based on Islam :) Inrithism, when you look at it, really does mirror the actual development of Christianity. The Proto-Judaic religion was actually polythiestic, Yawyeh (known by other names earlier like Eli I think) was just one God, a god of the mountain top or something if I remember correctly. Thats why if you look at the Old Testament you can still see the remnants of polyhtiesm. "Worship no gods before me", etc. After all if there were no other gods, why would you need to say that? Eventually aspects of other gods got merged in until you had full fledges Judaism, and eventually Christianity. So take how Inrithism developed from polthiestic roots (still practiced) and how Inri Sejenus (Jesus) developed the philosophy that the gods were all merely aspects of one God, etc. There are some twists here and there of course but the essential elements and parallels are all there. :) view post


posted 15 Apr 2006, 02:04 in The Thousandfold Thoughtif you were in his shoes... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'd rather do it in space, zero G all the way! view post


posted 15 Apr 2006, 15:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":25sx5gdq]Could be that the fact that the psuhke (how do you pronouce that btw) leaves no mark because it has no verbal component and is therefore not "shaped" by human thought and remains "pure", kinda. Yeh, and I don't see it as being limitless of more powerful than sorcery either - my emotions work better when they are shaped by reason at any rate.[/quote:25sx5gdq] I liked Kelhus's explanation myself, which was that by remembering from more angles it made it indistuishable from the Gods own work. Think of a sculpture. Ok so a "normal" person sees the sculpture from head on but has no depth perception and tries to reproduce it. It is crude because it is only really a 2-D representation with little depth or definition to it. Now we take another person, who has full site and gets the change to see the sculpture from the fron and sides but not the back. Their copy is much better and from head on is almost indistinguishable. In fact if person one looked at the sculpture to them there would be no difference because they are not attuned enough to notice the differences. Then we have a third artist, who gets to see the whole thing from all possible angles. Their copy is indistinguishable from the original to everyone who sees it from the work of the original artist. :) That analogy turned out even better than I expected actually :) view post


posted 16 Apr 2006, 15:04 in Literature DiscussionThe Bonehunters and Steven Erikson by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I thought it was still another week or so until it was released in Canada? I'll have to pick it up. BTW which Chapters in TO was it (just in case they messed up and put it out early :) )? I heard BH is amazing, I love the series and how the seperate story arcs weave together and overlap, it's great. view post


posted 16 Apr 2006, 15:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Aspect Emperor, Inrithism, Fanimry, and the Schools by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea but the core beliefs of Christian Denominations are all the same, it's pretty much just flavour and dogma that seperate them. I think most biblical scholars who look at it historically don't think the 10 commandments and such developed exactly as it says in the bible :) After all the historical evidence for the exodus and such is a little shaky. Remember too that it wasn't the gods of Egypt the Isrealites were making offerings too with the golden calf. I think that one might have been to Ba'al if I remember correctly, who was one of the gods in the pantheons of the regions that gave birth to the tribes of Isreal. If I hadn't loved history so much I might have gone into history :) All so very fascinating. view post


posted 16 Apr 2006, 15:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea I always thought too that the Chorae may also be there as a sort of "binding agent" if you will to keep him contained. view post


posted 17 Apr 2006, 02:04 in Literature DiscussionThe Bonehunters and Steven Erikson by Entropic_existence, Moderator

:) Well everything's been in place for as I've been reading, just need to keep in mind that the only central theme is the Crippled God, there are actually three distinct main story arcs (The action on the continent that Darujistan is a part of, Seven Cities, and the Tiste Edur/Letherii) they just have considerable cross over in weaving the big picture. view post


posted 17 Apr 2006, 03:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Aspect Emperor, Inrithism, Fanimry, and the Schools by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="glaz":3bjymchz] yeah, the calf wasn't an Egyptian god, but i think it was derived (or maybe an alternative?) from Egyptian polytheism, as it is an image of an animal. [/quote:3bjymchz] The ancestors of the Jews historically were polytheistic before their time in Egypt, but this isn't really explicitly stated in the bible given it is centric to their history from a latter point, and their earlier roots are only hinted at allegorically. Polytheism was likely the de facto type of religion for the entire region. I believe the calf was actually to a Caananite god, the official stance from the bible's perspective was that the Jews, while in Egypt, slipped a little from their Covenant and fell back to their polytheistic roots or something. egypt corrupted them or something :) Of course historically we have very little evidence of the jews actually being held in bondage in Egypt and the whole story is likely a corruption or allegory for other events over a much longer period. :) view post


posted 17 Apr 2006, 16:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Aspect Emperor, Inrithism, Fanimry, and the Schools by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea it is pretty interesting. Makes you wonder when the Scylvendi, who are one of the original tribes, seperated in faith from the other tribes who prior ro Inri Sejenus were of the original cults. view post


posted 17 Apr 2006, 22:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Aspect Emperor, Inrithism, Fanimry, and the Schools by Entropic_existence, Moderator

True, very true :) view post


posted 18 Apr 2006, 12:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Aspect Emperor, Inrithism, Fanimry, and the Schools by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":38cvkcug]I think the four tribes of men who entered Earwa brought the tusk with them. Inrithi "re-interperetted" the tusk. The Scylvendi were one of the five tribes (one tribe stayed behind), and so obviously would have worshipped the tusk, but not Inrithism. The nature of the tusk is very interesting to me. What is it really? Did someone knock one of the creator-god's teeth out? Perhaps a question for another thread....[/quote:38cvkcug] Thats because Inrithism was a reinterpretation of the old religion by Inri Sejenus much, much later, after the second Apocalypse. The Kiunnat cults and sects were the original. view post


posted 18 Apr 2006, 18:04 in The Thousandfold Thoughtwhy can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

An inconsistency in the same book? I dunno, I can't really see it and not one that big. I'm thinking there is an actual explanation for it such as either the person who talked about seeing souls was a)not telling the truth or b)mistaken. Perhaps it is not really souls they see. Anyway as I said at the first of this thread it would probably a good question to ask Scott himself. view post


Re: Kellhus's sorcery... posted 18 Apr 2006, 23:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus's sorcery... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="n0g0d":3crmjd49]Kellhus uses the gnosis presumably...to a higher level than any Mandati actually. But because he does it "properly", as he has acquired TTT, he is not marked. Is Kellhus immune to such artifacts as chorae? Since the "psukhe" is basically a failed imitation of Kellhus's personal enlightened view of what sorcery is( the Cishaurim also do not bear the mark), does that mean that Kellhus can practise Cishaurim magic. He also has other powers, glowing hands and so on. Some sort of sainthood power...why does he have to rely on abstractions? He does communicate with God, but is he not ready to simply bend reality w/o using Gnostic words? :twisted:[/quote:3crmjd49] The Psukhe existed before Moenghus arrived among the Fanim, it is not an offshot of Moenghus' attempts to obtain the TTT, in fact Moenghus is actually one of the weaker Cishaurim as far as his sorcerous ability goes, he is well respected and feared for his other philosophic talents and certain areas of the Psukhe that he excels at. Similarly Kelhus' master of the Gnosis and using a second inutteral string (which is what makes him able to do much more complex sorceries) is not part of the TTT (at least I don't think it is, I saw them as two seperate things). I don't know think we ever saw it stated that he was not Marked. He has only been working Sorcery a short time which is why he is not yet Marked and no, he is not invulnerable to Chorae that I know of. No one has quite figured out yet why his hands glow, and Scott isn't talking. Kelhus appaears to be becoming a Shaman, a Sorceror-Prophet like in the Chronicles of the Tusk. Not really sure about the idea of "saintly powers" though. He still uses gnostic Sorcery for what he does. (Other than his pure Dunyain tricks) view post


posted 18 Apr 2006, 23:04 in The Thousandfold Thoughtwhy can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Just thinking since you posted in the Q & A thread but does Kelhus know that the Cishaurim can see Souls? If not it is likely that he was merely mistaken with his supposition. But then again didn't Moenghus say it was he who revealed the Skin-Spies. We know they started vanishing after he arrived in Fanim lands. Ah well hopefully we will hear from Scott soon on the subject. view post


posted 19 Apr 2006, 02:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus's sorcery... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I don't even know in what stage of authorship it is in yet. I'm assuming it's in at least a preliminary stage but I also know Scott's been busy with final revisions of Neuropath as well. I would imagine it will be another year to two before AE hits the shelves. view post


posted 19 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus's sorcery... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Psukhe is not closer to Kelhus thoughts on Sorcery than the Gnosis. Remember the Psukhe is primarily emotive, driven by passion and "rememberance of the Gods heart". The Dunyain are all about intellect, which is why Moenghus failed. His path to sorcery took him to the Cishaurim, which was a dead end for growth. A dunyain is inherently crippled when it comes to the Psukhe. The Gnosis is driven by intellect, it is remembering the Gods voice, this is why he can excel at it because the Dunyain are intellect. I don't think he can start a Shamanic school because one necessity to being a Shaman is to be a Prophet. You either are a Prophet or you aren't, you can't really be taught that. It's even debatable whether Kelhus really is a Prophet or not, of course he seems to see the halos as well. and is puzzled by their existence. (Also the ripping out of the heart was a trick he didn't rip out his own heart he ripped out Serwe's heart but made it seem like it was his own as a trick. Scott has answered that on the Q&A board and apologized for the confusing writing in that section at the end of TWP) view post


posted 19 Apr 2006, 20:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnasurimbur Uncertainty/Agoraphobia Principle by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Damnation must exist as a reality outside of religous constructs. We likely will never know all of the metaphysical details, Scott has stated his reasons why. As to whether Sorcerors are inherently Damned, and if Kelhus' new revelations actually mean anything remains to be seen, if we will ever have it revealed to us that is. view post


posted 20 Apr 2006, 03:04 in The Thousandfold Thoughtwhy can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Exactly Anor, there is one issue that we have asked Scott on the Q&A board, and if he answers it will either clear it up somewhat or make it murkier. Another important point to remember is the Consult isn't stupid. If all of their Skin-Spies die in Fanim lands, they aren't going to keep sending more. Their supply of Skin-Spies isn't limitless, they can't be replaced that easily. It would be like sending someone to infiltrate a high security facility using the same plans every time despite them getting caught every time it would be idiotic. The Consult I am sure stopped sending Skin-Spies once they started dropping like flies in the Fanim lands. view post


posted 20 Apr 2006, 03:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus's sorcery... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="n0g0d":w6nmz4ng][quote="Warrior-Poet":w6nmz4ng]I agree with EE and Mahajanga. Im just not understanding where some of your ideas are coming from when most of your questions have been answered in the books and by Scott himself.[/quote:w6nmz4ng] Well my idea is that it is quite possible for Kellhus to transcend the cognitive side as well as the emotional side of sorcery. He does show how both are actually limited. Maybe because of time he relied on the Gnosis. That was all he had at that point. Ideally he should go further. Then again is he capable of that. Is there limits to the abilities his lineage has conferred to him?[/quote:w6nmz4ng] We've discussed this in a few other threads, I for one don't think he will master or even learn both. They are radically different and the Dunyain appear pretty crippled in the emotional department. Kelhus has seemed to regain some of that, maybe I'm still a little doubtful on that score though. The Psukhe also required blinding, as I have stated in a thread on the Q&A board, and Scott seemed to agree with me, is that we really don't know how this would affect Gnostic/Anagogic sorcery. See the discussions that Iyokus and the Grandmaster had after Achamian took Iyokus' eyes. "Do you remember what it is to see?" Cognitive based sorcery depends on purity of meaning. If you are born with sight it shapes your entire world view. Lose that sight and after awhile you forget what it is to see. That is most likely going to change the purity of your meaning, which could have disasterous effects with cognitive sorcery. Kelhus is going to be super enough as it is, I don't think we need to turn him into God. view post


posted 20 Apr 2006, 03:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnasurimbur Uncertainty/Agoraphobia Principle by Entropic_existence, Moderator

To be fair he made one Prophecy, but being a Prophet is much more than this. No Shamans have existed, or at least been declared Shamans, since the Chronicles of the Tusk so yea WP Seswatha was not a Shaman :) Anyway as I said Damnation must exist as seperate reality from religious belief and convention. Yes Kelhus figures that the Dunyain would ultimately side with the Consult and I theorized that this is because Damnation is a wild card for various reasons. I'm not really sure where you are going with the rest of it n0g0d, you took a few snippets of what I said and then argued it back to me and went in a few different directions in your first post. view post


posted 20 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAnasurimbur Uncertainty/Agoraphobia Principle by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I'm hesitant to take Kelhus claims that change the nature of Inrithism at face value, a rather large portion of it seems to have been done simply for manipulative purposes. Maybe it is true that Sorcery isn't an inherent Damnation (people can be wrong), we don't really know. That and no matter what Kelhus says you still can't be sure. Which is why there is uncertainty. You have to remember that Kelhus is the main protagonist, and he appears to have some genuine stuff going on (we know the halos are genuine, or appear to be unless Kelhus is buying in to his own myth) but he isn't a saint by any stretch. He tells people what they want or need to hear. Yea he has some real logical/intellectual insight, the No-God has spoken to him, we've seen some odd occurances with the TTT, but you never know if what he says is true or not. view post


posted 20 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus's sorcery... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

He explained why the Psukhe was indistinguishable from the reasl world (the whole seeing from more angles thing). Just because he understands it, doesn't mean he can do it. The Psukhe hinges on passion and emotion maybe he will incorporate aspects of this into his Sorcery, you never know, but we'll have to wait until AE to see what he does over the next 20 years. view post


posted 20 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold Thoughtwhy can't all cishaurim see the skins spies? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

And as he said, what I said is the Shamanism predated Seswatha. The Chronicles of the Tusk take place long before the Apocalypse. That is the only time we hear of Shamans, no one seems to have gained that title after the Tribes of Eanna came into Earwa. view post


posted 20 Apr 2006, 23:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus's sorcery... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I'm pretty sure there has yet to be a verified case of someone removing an organ without leaving you know...a gaping wound. I watched a good show that demonstrated the slight of hand involved for those psychic surgeons who remove tumours from people, quite easy to do and it doesn't require any real equipment at all, anyone with sufficient motor skills can do it. view post


posted 20 Apr 2006, 23:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCnaiur by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Cnaiur is definitly free to a large extent but he hasn;t yet achieved Self Moving Soul status. He has broken free from the bonds of his people and as he puts it "walks the trackless steppe" but he still has motivating influences (Moenghus was one for one). He's definitly bad ass and very cool in his madness. view post


posted 21 Apr 2006, 21:04 in The Thousandfold Thoughtis it really over? - the darkness that comes after by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There are more books coming, check out talk on "The Aspect-Emperor" which will be set 20 years after tPoN and tells the story of the second apocalypse. I believe Scott plans on this being either a duology or a trilogy. There's lots of talk, especially on the Q&A board. Scott's been pretty open about the time frame this series would cover and what the others would deal with. The PoN series was only supposed to cover the rise of Kelhus Anasurimbor and tell the story of the Holy War. view post


posted 22 Apr 2006, 18:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus's sorcery... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Remove the Mark? No I don't think he will be able to. It seems like such an interesting part of the metaphysics that I don't really foresee Scott going in that direction, nor do I think it is necessarily even within the realm of possibility to do so. The Daimos is specifically an Anagogic sub-school of Soercery, Achamian I believe mentioned at one point that there are equivalencies in Gnostic Sorcery. We know that Iyokus is quite good at the Daimos (he just so happens to be a Scarlet Schoolmen but the Scarlet Spires as a whole aren't Daimotic Sorcerors). Whether Kelhus explores this aspect of Sorcery who knows. Even if his sanctioning of Sorcery really does remove the threat of Damnation from Sorcery, practicing the Daimos would just put you back in the pot. Summoned Agencies don't forget the insult of it and will gladly claim your soul after you die to use as their onw personal play toy. view post


posted 22 Apr 2006, 22:04 in Literature DiscussionRobert Jordan diagnosed with Amyloidosis by Entropic_existence, Moderator

He's a fighter and I have every reason to believe he is going to battle this through. I'm also sure he and Harriet have a contingency plan if the worst happens... God forbid *knocks on wood* I wish him all the best. view post


Re: Dark corners posted 24 Apr 2006, 23:04 in Philosophy DiscussionTranshumanism and Genetic Engineering by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="MrJims":25u1mcmm]I'm for genetic engineering. The fact is we our somewhat aware of it's capacity and potential. To not fully investigate the matter would be against man's inherent nature to know. As for the moral implications, G.E is a tool, and like the sword, gun and pen it has no intention other than that of it's wielder. As for superhumans, I don't see why not. Ultimately man's individual evolution is a matter of choice, or more accurately, choices. Though his beginings may be stronger and I don't think it would greatly effect his life. In this I mean he will still suffer, love, hate, be challenged by his own nature and nature of the things around him. On a species level I think it is our responcibility to improve ourselves in all manners in which we are capable, granted what an improvement is may be a matter of opinion. Finally I would rather enslave myself to a superhuman than a supercomputer.[/quote:25u1mcmm] Overall I'm for it as well, as a scientist (well soon to be Graduate student... same thing) I fell it is my duty to consider not only the ramifications of the technology at the scientific level but also be engaged in the moral and ethical questions that surround it. There is a very good reason why we don't do this with humans much, because the fact is we don't know as much as we sometimes think we do, at least not on the practical level. We build very good models of how things work, we haven't yet learned enough to make 100% accurate simulations. The trials for gene therapy for instance haven't been spectacular, and when two kids died there was a moratorium placed on alot of the research avenues, at least at the clinical stage. Its also the big reason why we will never use gener therapy on gamete producing stem cells to eradicate inheritable genetic diseases, the results could end up being worse than the disease. We'll only try and cure the individual, not their potential offspring :) view post


posted 25 Apr 2006, 18:04 in Literature DiscussionRobert Jordan diagnosed with Amyloidosis by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Meh, I don't think he was padding or deliberately slowing things down at all. He is just overly enamoured of too much detail and elaborate description. As someone who appreciates world building as much as story I actually enjoyed all of the books, even when they got slow. Book 11 really showed how crucial everything else was, that big web of connections and subplots that he wove... well he gave a few tugs and things clicked into place all across the board. Yea things got a little slow, and he isn't the best storyteller in the world, but I think he gets more flak than he deserves because like it or not he's one of the guys sitting on top of the fantasy heap right now and everyone likes to pick on the big guy :) view post


posted 27 Apr 2006, 13:04 in Literature DiscussionThe Bonehunters and Steven Erikson by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm 3/4 of the way through Bonehunters now and wow, this book is amazing. I think it may very well be one of the most interesting in the series so far. I love the way Erickson reveals crucial world information in an almost off hand way and the characters as always are most impressive. This book is also really long, not sure on the page count difference with some of the others in the series because I had to buy the TPB and all my others are Mass Market but I'm definitly enjoying it. I don't want it to end! view post


posted 27 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKyraneas = Cyrene? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

And given how Scott likes History it's a given. I don't think you can read fantasy and not have references, especially in names, to other works and historical places/people. view post


posted 27 Apr 2006, 13:04 in The Thousandfold Thoughtback to what comes before ...why Esmenet? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="talek":1ob6719e]At one point, Serwe thinks something about her friends, namely that they are really gods - why can't they see it? So perhaps Esmenet [i:1ob6719e]is[/i:1ob6719e] a goddess (or a representation/manifestation thereof), she just doesn't know it.[/quote:1ob6719e] Doubtful, I just don't think it would fit well with the feel of the world Scott's been building for us. Personal opinion of course but I would be a little dissapointed if things headed in that direction, it just doesn't seem like his style. view post


posted 28 Apr 2006, 12:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKyraneas = Cyrene? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I wouldn't read too much into it like a connection between our world and the world of the books. Scott loves language and using words from our own ancient languages as models or even part of the vocabulary of a "made up" language is pretty standard practice. It gives something mildly familiar to the reader and can be used as a guide for shaping your own language. view post


posted 29 Apr 2006, 14:04 in Literature DiscussionThe Bonehunters and Steven Erikson by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I had considered ordering the hardcover, and came really close to ordering it on amazon.uk, but ultimately decided to wait because I didn't have time to read anything then :) And yea, the cover art was horrible for its depiction of kalam, he looked kind of like a black cherub with a knife.... We won't be seeing the Malazan Empire again for the rest of the series I don't think, I believe SE said the rest all take place outside of the Empire which should be interesting, especially since all my favourite characters seem to be headed for Lether. Now if we can see Gruntle and his Legion again that would really rock :) And I can't wait for ICE's Return of the Crimson Guard those guys are awesome. Hmmm Karsa vs. Cnaiur yea, Cnaiur wouldn't last too long. They both rely on size, power, and prowess. Cnaiur is a powerhouse among Scylvendi but Karsa is a powerhouse among Toblakai, like the Toblakai mentioned in BH who were like "a warren on to themselves." Plus he is bigger, stronger, faster and fights with an unbreakable stone sword that's almost as tall as he is :) I can imagine Cnaiur saying something about being the most violent of all men, Karsa telling him he talks to much, followed by "Witness" and Cnaiur being cut in half within seconds. :) view post


posted 29 Apr 2006, 14:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKellhus's sorcery... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, plus the explanation of Seswatha preventing the betrayel of the Gnosis makes sense. Mandati have been captured and tortured since their formation after the Second Apocalypse and not one has ever betrayed the Gnosis, we're talking over 1000 years. Not every Mandati is going to be that strong willed, the whole deal with Seswatha's imprint from the Grasping exerting some control there made sense and really explained that whole thing really well. view post


posted 01 May 2006, 04:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Amoral Khellus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="vercint":1wlqircy]I would say that Kellhus is actually moral, because he has become human. Unlike his father, the world [i:1wlqircy]has [/i:1wlqircy] changed him to the extent that he has discovered a goal beyond the Dunyain ideology. He changed the purpose of the Holy War to suit him, but the war also changed him. He is moved by humanity when he hangs on the circumfix with Serwe and cries, or when he confronts the Inchoroi as Esmi and realises he feels pain... he realises that being human is greater than the sterilty of the Dunyain; that is why Moenghus calls him mad, and why he says that he is 'more' than Dunyain -- he has all their abilities and knowledge, but his goal is no longer the Absolute. In deciding to save mankind from the Consult, Kellhus has defected from a fundamental principle of the Dunyain. They believe that everything -- absolutely everything -- is relative save the Logos; there are no morals, no right or wrong, nothing save the Shortest Path to the Absolute. Any act to attain that is possible, and its merits are determined only by practicality. Kellhus has identified something as being [i:1wlqircy]wrong[/i:1wlqircy]; the Consult. In opposinig them, he doing something which is [i:1wlqircy]right[/i:1wlqircy]. Any act in order to defeat the Consult is still possible, but his goal is to achieve something which is unequivocally good.[/quote:1wlqircy] You're assuming of course that all of the claims he makes to other people are in fact his true motivations. view post


posted 01 May 2006, 04:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="vercint":33eb08q9]I agree that Mekeretrig is an ambigious figure... as are all nonmen, I imagine. What he says to Kellhus is actually "I have ridden both against and [i:33eb08q9]for[/i:33eb08q9] the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness". Unless his memory is incorrect -- which it might be -- this means he fought on both sides in the Apocalypse. Perhaps Seswatha turned him at Dauglish, but there is no way of knowing. He also says he has "scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath". This means little, I suppose, since he is one of the Consult... but maybe it means he was part of the Ordeal, and returned to the Consult only when the No-God awakened? That's a lot of side-switching though. Oh, and when he first hears Kellhus' name he says "I can see [i:33eb08q9]his[/i:33eb08q9] blood in your face". Who is referring to? It isn't Seswatha because he was of humble origins, not of royal blood. I'm thinking it is Celmomas, because Seswatha mentions him destroying records of Mekeretrig in Kuniuri, implying there was something personal between them. Why, after all, weren't those reords destroyed earlier?[/quote:33eb08q9] Of course he was refering to Celmomas... the first gret foe of the Consult (backed by Seswatha). Seswatha was a constant presence during the Apocalypse but the Anasurimbors were just as big of a thorn in their side. view post


posted 01 May 2006, 04:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Erekassos Knerceannis":1pycai0o]From what I gather, Tsurumah is both "agonic" (sort of a reverse sorcery if you will) and a sort of 'new sorcery.' I have always gotten the hint that perhaps the Mangaecca had used their Anagogic sorcery to somehow advance the Tekne, making it a sort of scientific sorcery. So perhaps the No-God is a product of sorcerous technology. The more I think about it, he is the ultimate "weapon" of the Inchoroi, much like the Sranc and Bashrag. I suppose you could call him the "God" of the weapon races. He was obviously created as the ultimate weapon of the Inchoroi. I think we may find some interesting points when Maithanet reveals Simas as a "skin-spy who can work sorcery; a skin spy with a [b:1pycai0o]soul[/b:1pycai0o]. So perhaps the Consult had perfected a system for creating a soul, and therefore bring about the No-God; a soul with no body, I suppose you could say. This would definitely seem to make him more god-like, a soul with no real bodily/physical form. Perhaps this lack of physcal form created his purpose, the closing of the Outside. If he could empty the World, he could effectively take physical form and not simply be a free-moving soul.[/quote:1pycai0o] A few things that need to be pointed out. 1)The Mengaeacca (Consult) where a Gnostic School of the Ancient North, not a Anagogic school 2)The idea of the No-God seems to predate the Consult and may have been something the Inchoroi were working on before. The other thing is that their work was consistently described as summoning the No-God as opposed to creating him, implying that (he/it) existed prior to the Apocalypse in some form. 3)The Skin-Spy with a soul was described as an aberation. As Scott has said before only Humans, The Inchoroi, and the Non-men are inherently souled but sometimes, through circumstance, creatures without souls can "Awaken". Something like this happened with that Skin-Spy who infiltrated the Mandate. Luckily the Consult never could duplicate it. view post


posted 01 May 2006, 13:05 in Literature DiscussionThe Bonehunters and Steven Erikson by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Primal":1nauxbce]I don't why, but I couldn't get past the first few pages of the malazan; had just received from amazon too. Gave it away[/quote:1nauxbce] Talking about the first book? Gardens of the Moon. Should have stuck with it that first novel is notorious for being hard to get into and being a struggle for probably the first half. The idea for the series developed out of AD&D and then a GURPS campaign the novel was written and then re-written and published 10 years after the first draft. Even I had trouble for the first little bit but then all of sudden some things start to click and you have this "wow this is amazing" moment at about the half-way mark :) The rest of the books are brilliant. I finished BH a few days ago and wow... wish I could say more here :) I knew the rest of the books were basically going to be outside of the Malazan Empire which went from this cherished place to one you could care less about. Reaper's Gale, which should be out next year, looks like it will be awesome. view post


Re: Steven Erikson missed the boat on this one: posted 01 May 2006, 13:05 in Literature DiscussionSteven Erikson missed the boat on this one: by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="AjDeath":1n9omtte][quote="StegoKing":1n9omtte][b:1n9omtte]Steven Erikson [/b:1n9omtte]was a huge proponent of [b:1n9omtte][i:1n9omtte]The Darkness That Comes Before[/i:1n9omtte][/b:1n9omtte], and indeed all of Bakkers work, and so when he got behind [b:1n9omtte][i:1n9omtte]In The Eye of Heaven[/i:1n9omtte][/b:1n9omtte] by [b:1n9omtte]David Keck[/b:1n9omtte] in a similar manner, I raced to my local bookstore to snatch it up. What a dissapointment. I guess one out of two isn't so bad, but I have to wonder what Erikson was thinking. Perhaps they're old friends. Perhaps Erikson owes Keck some money. ITEoH is one of the worst books I have ever read in any genre. I have a full review blasting it [url=http://speculativereviews.blogspot.com/:1n9omtte][b:1n9omtte]here,[/b:1n9omtte][/url:1n9omtte] if anyone is interested.[/quote:1n9omtte]Meh, publishers send noted authors books to review, big deal. I never listen to what most authors say about eachother anyways.[/quote:1n9omtte] Yea, they get stuff to review all the time, but they aren't always willing to provide a review for publication. Erickson has actually said he will only give a review for the cover/press if the book does something for him, otherwise if he thinks it is just more of the same he won't bother. He said in an interview that he really liked Keck's work so it's probably just a matter of differing opinion. I haven't read it so I don't know :) view post


posted 01 May 2006, 13:05 in Literature DiscussionPON vs MBOF vs ASOIAF by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Like most, I enjoy all three series for different reasons. If I was to order them I would have a tough time deciding between MBOTF and PoN as to which I liked more, and the ASOIAF would come in third. Martin tells a damn good story and the intrigue is awesome. His only major flaw is he can't write a battle worth crap :) Scott and Erickson on the other hand... they do it brilliantly. MBOTF took the sort of D&D based end of the genre and turned it on its head. Yea the setting started out as a campaign using that system, and then GURPS, but it is almost unrecognizable from everything else in that part of the genre now. He used his trainining in archeology to build a real world with real history... alot of history 300,000+ years worth. One of the thematic elements that constantly runs through it is layering, everything exists in layers built one over the other with whomever is the top layer tending to think they did it first :) As for the insanely powerful characters I like how he did it with the notion that power draws power. Being powerful isn't always advantageous, and is frequently more likely to get you killed then being a normal guy. After all if you are big and bad, someong bigger and badder is going to want to come along and stomp you :) PoN I love for the gritty realism, the philsophical underpinnings, and the sheer dark brutality found in it. It really stands out among other fantasy series. I've always hated the tendency of some to label something as being mysoginst for simply being realistic. Scott doesn't advocate the treatment of women seen in his books it's just there because the real world was, and is, alot like that. But then again some people really do have a problem stepping outside of their own little picture of the world full of snuggly pink bunnies to look at things from a different angle :) view post


posted 01 May 2006, 13:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":282u43sc]Yah, Non-men are/were the progenitors of the consult. It was one of their gnostic schools that excavated the Arc - searching for a solution to the problem of damnation if I recall. I think that all "ensouled" creatures are linked to the outside - their beliefs help to shape and define the gods and other powers there, whilst they in turn can affect events in Earwa. A kind of symbiosis of faith and philosophy with life. Which makes sorcery and it's connection with damnation very interesting - sorcery can only be used for destruction, and it leaves a mark...[/quote:282u43sc] Actually it was a human Gnostic school (The Mengaeacca) who "re-discovered" the Ark and linked up with the remaining Inchoroi to form the Consult. Of course as far back as the Cuno-Inchoroi wars there were Non-men who had sided with the Consult and after the Womb Plague and time went on, and more Erratics appeared the Erratics tended to shift over to that side as well. view post


posted 02 May 2006, 17:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Okay, you made me look in the glossary. :wink: quote: "Mangaecca- ....the last of the four original Gnostic Schools. ...then, in 777, at the behest of a Nonman Erratic named Cet'ingira (aka Mekeritig), they discovered the Incu-Holoinas..." Gnostic sorcery was developed by the Nonmen Quya, who imparted it to the Norsirai turing the Nonman Tutelage, 555-825. As the Mangaecca was originally a Nonman School, and the Ark was rediscovered during the tutelage, we can assume that there were more than just one Nonman involved. However," it was Shaeoenanra (in 1123) who claimed to have rediscovered a means of saving the souls of those damned by sorcery." Interesting word; rediscovered. Nonman bootprints all over the Consult, and Aurax and Aurang seem suspiciously like Oirinas and Oirunan if ya ask me. But I can't find any official Nonmen listed as being part of the Consult.[/quote] Yes the Non-men developed the Gnosis and taught it to humans during the tutelage, but the Schools are entirely human inventions as far as I am aware :) The Mengeaca were "directed" by Mekeretrig to uncover the Ark, probably by some design of his. The Mengeaca was already quite riveled as a School due to their "power at all costs" ethos. So We have an order of events where the Non-men during the tutelage teach human Sorcerors the Gnosis, Humans develop the Schools (Non-men Sorcerors are always referenced as the Quya never by a School affiliation after all), The Mengaeca eventually gets pointed towards the Ark by Mekeretrig and becomes the Consult. Eventually the Consult is really everyone involved from the remaining Inchoroi to the Human Sorcerors to the Non-men Erratics. Yea, his (Shaeoenanra ) rediscovery had to do with the No-God, remember that Aurang talks about how the humans were the ones to sort fo rediscover alot of things the Inchoroi themselves had forgotten over the centuries. As for Non-men officially in the Consult Meketrig is the only one that we know for sure is still alive. The Consult, since the days of the Apocalypse, is merely a reference to the Generals and Sorcerors in service to the No-God. Aurang and Aurax are Inchoroi, not Non-men so they aren't Oirinas and Oirunan. view post


posted 02 May 2006, 17:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":2ct2zrky][quote:2ct2zrky]Entropic_existence 3)The Skin-Spy with a soul was described as an aberation. As Scott has said before only Humans, The Inchoroi, and the Non-men are inherently souled but sometimes, through circumstance, creatures without souls can "Awaken". Something like this happened with that Skin-Spy who infiltrated the Mandate. Luckily the Consult never could duplicate it.[/quote:2ct2zrky] Interesting that the aberation just happened to have a soul powerful/old/aware (whatever the criteria actually are) enough to wield sorcery.[/quote:2ct2zrky] There is probably some link/reasoning. Maybe Scott will explore it more down the road, who knows. Nevetheless it was an abberation and not a planned design :) view post


posted 03 May 2006, 17:05 in Literature DiscussionPON vs MBOF vs ASOIAF by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Xray the Enforcer":1u9rcnb9][quote="Entropic_existence":1u9rcnb9]But then again some people really do have a problem stepping outside of their own little picture of the world full of snuggly pink bunnies to look at things from a different angle :)[/quote:1u9rcnb9] Well, some do. But the readers who object to the portrayal of female characters in PoN in the places I frequent...I know for a fact that some of them are not coming from the fluffy bunny standpoint at all. They're men and women who have been raped or the victims of sexual violence and have some problem dissociating their experience from what they see on the page. I happen to love PoN, but I can understand their reservations about the brutality. It hits a bit too close to home. As for the pollyannas...not so much sympathy. Earwa is a miserable place.[/quote:1u9rcnb9] That's true, and I can understand an aversion because it does hit too close to home. I was speaking more to the people who aren't merely saying "it makes me uncomfortable" or "I don't like it" as opposed to the people who label it as being mysogenistic as if it promotes violence towards women, which no matter your personal experience isn't true and not something people should just casually sling around. view post


posted 03 May 2006, 17:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Meeting between Kellhus &amp; Moenghus? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":29ycnxle]Well, you could hardly call Shaeoenanra human any more either...[/quote:29ycnxle] He's certainly gone beyond that :) But nevertheless he began life as one :) I can only imagine how deep his Mark has gotten, probably pretty close to Mekertrig I wouldn't doubt, but not quite. After all Mekeretrig still has at least a few centuries on him :) view post


posted 07 May 2006, 04:05 in Author Q &amp; AOutside, Dunyain, and the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Cynical Cat":71trwvza]A few points 1) The writings of the Tusk condemn both sorcery and Nonmen. 2) While human religions seem to be merely human constructs, the Outside is clearly real. 3) The Inchoroi are creatures of limitless cruelty and malign carnality. If there is a hell, and there are certainly demons, they deserve to go if anyone does.[/quote:71trwvza] Yup, all quite true. The original content of my post is more pertaining to possible Dunyain motivations as seen by Kelhus with some other things thrown in just as musings. view post


posted 09 May 2006, 16:05 in Literature DiscussionPON vs MBOF vs ASOIAF by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Zadok":2x8whaod]After the mildly disappointing Feast for Crows I would say the PoN series has surpassed ASoIaF, at least for the time being. I too was suprised with the vitrol that some over at the Malazan forum attacked the books. It was like we had read 2 different series. Although the fact that many of them had not read TTT yet probably had something to do with this. Reading the Malazan books has been a weird experience for me, I'm not sure exactly what it is, it may be the fact that each book is more like a self contained novel more then a part of a series, or if Erikson's writing is just unever, but with each of the 4 books I've read so far the result has been the same. I'll slog through the first half of the book, forcing myself to continue, and finally get absolutely hooked as the climax approaches, devouring the last half very quickly. Then I start on the next book and end up putting it down for something else until I have the desire to give it another shot. Even realizing this I still find it tough to get into each novel, even as I find myself in awe of the ending every time.[/quote:2x8whaod] Ericksons intention was to write each book as a self-contained novel that neverhteless can't truly be read and enjoyed fully outside of the context of the series. Other than Gardens I haven't had that feeling of having to slog through the first half, although the pacing for those always is much much slower. But you're right, boy does it turn around as it builds to the climax. I usually actually get adrenaline rushes reading some of the action-packed scenes near the end. Especially when Kalam goes on a spree somewhere :) I enjoyed Feast for Crows, but I was glad I knew before hand it was in reality only half the story, with Dance for Dragons telling the stories of the other characters. I would have been dissapointed otherwise I think. Martin tells a good story but there always seems to be that little something missing and I think it is the lack of real battles. He knows he can't write them well, so seems to either ignore them or just gloss over them and give the results of what happened through other means. But at least he knows his limitations. If he attempted to write them it would throw off the quality of the overall book too much I think. view post


posted 11 May 2006, 05:05 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhere in the world is R. Scott Bakker? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea from when I met him back in March I was under the impression he would be quite busy for awhile with Neuromancer's fine tuning and potential movie potential plus AE view post


posted 11 May 2006, 05:05 in Literature DiscussionPON vs MBOF vs ASOIAF by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Personally I don't ge tthe power level gripe leveled at Malazan or at PoN, both make sense in the context of the world, the story, and the feeling. To each their own I guess. view post


posted 16 May 2006, 00:05 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhere in the world is R. Scott Bakker? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea I meant Neuropath as well but for some reason since I saw Neuromancer right above my post that is what came out. I know when Iw as talking to Scott in March his agent was thinking about shopping it around as a film script first as opposed to a novel. Scott was pretty excited about it :) view post


posted 16 May 2006, 00:05 in Off-Topic DiscussionSo... Anyone know where Scott disappeared to? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

He vanished for awhile when he was wrapping up TTT. He had those last bits of his tour and is likely busy with Neuropath (the extract I heard from it was amazing... so much profanity lol) plus AE. :) I'm sure he'll be back, he loves talking with us nuts after all. view post


posted 16 May 2006, 11:05 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhere in the world is R. Scott Bakker? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I had the distinct pleasure of hearing a little reading from it when he was in Toronto doing a reading at U of T, it sounded really good. So very different from PoN. view post


posted 18 May 2006, 16:05 in Off-Topic Discussiondoes anybody know... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Sokar"]I have a solution for that bot: How many of you have actually clicked the pages?[/quote Do you think anyone would admit it if they had? :) view post


posted 19 May 2006, 21:05 in Off-Topic Discussionhaha, fine, &quot;the beer thread&quot; happy? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, Scott would appreciate the beer more :) Seriously, he actually really appreciates us here and actually enjoys talking to us. :) view post


posted 19 May 2006, 21:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe consult/Dunyain alliance? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Well Kellhus was merely speculating but I think it is safe to extrapolate his reasoning to the Dunyain as a whole, not merely Meonghus. We've discussed the reasons why the Dunyain would find a motivation to side with the Consult if it ever happened in other threads, ultimately if the world isn't closed they can't achieve their mission so which would they pick? Failure or Pollution? They would probably sacrifice several of their number to pollution to do what needed to be done, and then kill them afterwards. :) view post


Re: Questions posted 19 May 2006, 21:05 in Author Q &amp; AQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'll try to answer as many of these as I can but some are more speculation/ educated guess than direct evidence. [quote:glap8ub5] 1)Will wearing armour save a sorceror from a chorae, must it touch skin directly for the salt to be all encompasing and deadly. I know just being near one for two long starts damaging, but its not as lethal. So will a chorae bouncing off a helmet save a sorcerors life? [/quote:glap8ub5] It depends on the depth of the Mark. Achamian talks about some of the Non-men Sorcerors turning to salt from merely being within several meters of a Chorae. Armour might protect a human sorceror who isn't very old and very Marked, Achamian has had them within inches or less of his person and it was merely uncomfortable [quote:glap8ub5] 2)The salt? why? To expand why do sorcerors turn to salt of all things, and what explanation do you have for this. [/quote:glap8ub5] Salt = returning to the earth. I think this was more just to tie in some symbolism and such. It fits in very nicely with some of the other biblical style references Scott has used. There is no real explanation given as why it is salt. I think Scott just wanted to do it that way. [quote:glap8ub5] 3)The apparos that makes the chorae can it do anything else beside destroy magic? are any aparos sorcerors remaining to the consult? You seem to refer only to the menganca(sp) a gnostic school [/quote:glap8ub5] All we know is the Aporos hinges on paradox as opposed to the Gnosis which hinges on the whole abstract deal and the Anagosis which hinges on Analogy. The Aporetic sorcerors were banned by the rest of the Non-men because their work was considered dangerous and the Inchoroi took them in. We know it created the Chorae and likely they did other things with it but how broad of a use was applied we have no idea. It tends to undo things and negate other sorcery. Thats about all the details we know. [quote:glap8ub5] 4)how do apparos users not get salted from the construction of their chorae or is this part of the paradox that makes them. [/quote:glap8ub5] We don't know enough about how the Chorae were constructed to even guess. Given they were working with the Inchoroi probably already at the time the Tekne may have been involved as well. [quote:glap8ub5] 5)Is the gnosis without a doubt more powerfull than anagogic sorcery? is their nothing in which the one beats the other? would their be no advantage to learning both? Also why is the abstarction of fire more damaging than the anology of fire from a dragons head. whi is the gnosis more powerfull? [quote:glap8ub5] The Gnosis is definitely more powerful. Think about it this way which is worth more a dollar bill or a rough drawing of a dollar bill. Not the best example but the Abstractions hinge on knowledge (Gnosis) whereas the Anagosis utilizes Analogy, an Analogy can only come close, it can only imitate. Hard to explain but if you just think about the concept of Analogy I think it is rather obvious. [quote:glap8ub5] 6)the few who can work sorcery but dont are able to touch chorae without salting as they have not performed magic , been marked? Yet the cishuarim are not marked iether and yet they salt just as easilly? [quote:glap8ub5] Right, those who are of the Few yet have never uttered a Cant are not Marked and therefore not susceptible to Chorae. The Cishaurim use the Psukhe which leaves no visible Mark to the Few (yet I think the Cishaurim are of the Few themselves) but they are still hmmm I don't want to say tainted. I think they are still Marked metaphysically so to speak because they do use Sorcery but they just aren't Marked in the same manner, or at least it isn't visible to the Few. Sort of like think about an invention that shocked criminals. All Sorcerors are criminals but not all have criminal records, but the machine uses some other method to tell. The Cishaurim don;t have a record but are still criminals and so still get nailed :) [quote:glap8ub5] 7)After a battle how do you find chorae launched from bows? just scour the land, sorcerors sense them? whats stops a soldier stealing these priceless tears of god [quote:glap8ub5] They look for them I guess, and allied Sorcerors (or at least those able to sense Chorae such as someone like Inrau who is marked and can sense them but isn't really a Sorceror anymore) help out. I'm sure Soldiers do steal them but I imagine it is an offence punishable by death. [quote:glap8ub5] 8)I think I have asked or seen this aksed before but could you add chorae to the masonry of a building for instance to make it imune to sorcery. [/quote:glap8ub5] No idea, maybe but I imagine Chorae only have a small area of effect so it would be too cost prohibitive. There are probably better methods to achieve almost the same thing. [quote:glap8ub5] 9)Why did anarcane ground save atriphua. I would have thought sorcery was the one thing the north could hope to out do the horde of consult troops at. [/quote:glap8ub5] The enemy couldn't use Sorcery there either, the hordes aren't nearly as bad when you don't have to worry about the Consult anymore and can just fight a good old fashioned melee battle with them. Remember that the Inchoroi didn't have full use of the Tekne by the time of the Apocalypse so relied just as much on Sorcery as anyone else. [quote:glap8ub5] 10)will firing a chorae at a sorcerors ward destroy it or will it just pass stright through. I noticed the javreh seemed to leave the scarlet spires circular ward to start shooting but I also got the sense they as often shot from behind them. Thought only occured to me after chorae hitting kellhus debri field released them from the spell that held them. [/quote:glap8ub5] Not sure [quote:glap8ub5] 11)The glossary says the mandate has the numbers of a minor school. 50-60 or rank and maybe double the number initiates. Yet the scarlet spires seemed to have only maybe 80 of rank. Is this small diffrence all that stands between major or minor schools or did I get the numbers wrong? [/quote:glap8ub5] I don't remember seeing how many Sorcerers of Rank the Spires have total but I thought it was more than 80. I'd have to check the books again. [/quote:glap8ub5] 12)Ioykus refers to the dragon head as the hammer of his school. Have we not seen the imperial saik use it aswell. [/quote:glap8ub5][/quote:glap8ub5][/quote:glap8ub5][/quote:glap8ub5][/quote:glap8ub5] Not sure if they did or not, might have been something similar but not identical view post


posted 21 May 2006, 02:05 in Off-Topic Discussionhaha, fine, &quot;the beer thread&quot; happy? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":1godeiei]Beer vouchers? What kind of beer do you Canadians drink anyway? I had Coors once and it was great (much nicer than XXXX), but I haven't been able to buy it since.[/quote:1godeiei] Coors isn't beer, it is Yankee Piss Water lol :) I prefer to drink local Micro and Craft Brews myself, much better than any mass market/industrialized beer. view post


posted 21 May 2006, 03:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe consult/Dunyain alliance? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":2xlaquv8]Well, yeah. In the prologue of TDTCB one of the first things they do is to burn the grand vizier's books and chisel the sorcerous runes from the walls - they have rejected the gods etc, which is different from not believing in them. They seek to master that which lies within the circle of the world, only by isloating themselves from the polluting influence of the rest of the world (and that includes the consult) can they achieve this. Their conectedness to the outside and the physical world is important - they need it in order to access the logos - but they isolate themselves from the viramsata that walk the ground of other souls by their isolation. That is Moenghus' sin - that he pollutes their sanctuary with the Thousandfold Thought by sending his dreams. The world being closed would end their quest I think - no more eugenics, no more viramsata, nothing new could enter the circle and the enlightened soul they seek to produce certainly would be able to step outside the circle of the world.[/quote:2xlaquv8] I don't see the Logos as having inherently anything to do with the Outside, it seems to be more... real world/logically oriented than anything. There may be alternatives to natural breeding programs like the Dunyain have been doing if they were to side with the Consult. After all the senior human Consult Sorcerors are over a thousand years old.... view post


posted 21 May 2006, 03:05 in Author Q &amp; AQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Cause":20z938q9]5) But an abstarction actaully dilutes knowledge. To continue your example of the dollar bill. The base a dollar bill. The abstarction would be currency. the anology barter. Niether one effectivly describes that were talking about a dollar bill. Just some kind of money or some kind of exchange. And I know the gnosis is more powerfull were shown it enough the question is why. [/quote:20z938q9] Actually the Abstraction of Currency is still inherently more powerful because it is closer to the very idea of the thing rather than merely being a representation. As others have said Gnostic Sorcery manipulates at a far more fundamental level, and seems to operate with things directly whereas the Anagogic sorceries have to call something that represents what they want to do [quote:20z938q9] 8) I wonder about sorcery being enchanted into objects in the three seas. The chorae, ishual, daimotic cants, anborian circle, gnostic collar and chorae are magic constructs. I wonder if the knowledge of enhancing stoine with magic has been lost like at ishual, or perhaps as far as we know the mandates citadel is crawling with abstarctions of stremght. [/quote:20z938q9] All of the examples you mentioned are a little different, daimotic cants take scribing circles and all that, as do Arborian Circules but I wouldn;t consider them constructs in the sense of items like chorae, etc. I would imagine ancient strongholds bear potent magical wards but whether it is a lost art we just don't know. [quote:20z938q9] 9)i disagree. The consuly have dragons, a sranc horde and bashrag behemoths. The north have humans and the occasional super human in nonmen. I would wager the consult in non sorcerous battles have the advantage by a alrge degree. After all how do you kill a dragon without magic. [/quote:20z938q9] Well it seemed to have worked with Attriteau so who knows. [quote:20z938q9] 13) From a nonmen perspective chorae are a recent invention. So before chorae when mansions went to war how did the exalted ones manage to deal with quya sorcerors. Unless you simply prayed your quya were their quyas match.[/quote:20z938q9] [/quote] I would imagine Quya tended to go after one another and the Siqu battled one another. Other forces may have come into play as well but until we see something it's all merely speculation. view post


posted 22 May 2006, 00:05 in Off-Topic Discussionhaha, fine, &quot;the beer thread&quot; happy? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Xray the Enforcer":ao0000mc]Ha. I had some very good microbrews when I was on assignment in Toronto and Montreal. But it sure as fuck wasn't Coors. For my money, Fat Tire Ale is one of the greats. Too bad it's damned near impossible to find East of the Mississippi. Thank the gods someone just drove east with 5 cases in their trunk.[/quote:ao0000mc] - Steam Whistle - Nickle Creek - Le Fin De Monde - Anything by Pumphouse Breweries - Anything by Picaroons Those are some of my favourite micro's from Southern Ontario, Quebec, and the Atlantic Provinces :) I've heard good things about Fat Tire but have yet to sample it myself. If I'm going to drink mass market beer I'll go with something by Sleeman's, Moosehead, or Alexander Keith's for my Domestics. Heineken, Guinness, Harp, Smithwicks, Kilkenney, Tuborg, Stella, or something like that for imports. Anybody who drinks Budweiser, Coors Light, Bud Light, et al should bot be allowed to buy beer... ever. :) view post


posted 22 May 2006, 00:05 in Literature DiscussionPON vs MBOF vs ASOIAF by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I vote for Karsa myself, he seems to have virtually all of Cnaiur's strengths and then some. :) Of course Cnaiur is also certifiably mad which could be an advantage I suppose :) view post


posted 22 May 2006, 00:05 in The Thousandfold Thoughtnonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It is actually yhe only surviving Nonmen mansion. I'm not sure if we'll see them go out en masse or not, they seem reminicent of Tolkien's elves in that they are fading from the world as men come to dominate it. Scott has mentioned the possibility of a side book that deals more with the Non-men though I believe, telling the story of one legendary Non-man in particular view post


posted 22 May 2006, 00:05 in Author Q &amp; AQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Warrior-Poet":1c86a5n4]You could have used the example of Monoply money rather than a drawing of money.[/quote:1c86a5n4] Yea, it would probably have worked better if I had of thought of it at the time :) The fundamental analogy though still stands :) view post


posted 23 May 2006, 12:05 in Off-Topic Discussionhaha, fine, &quot;the beer thread&quot; happy? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Xray the Enforcer"] good to know. I can find Fin Du Monde pretty easily here in NYC, but those others aren't so prevalent. Happily, there's a store (Bierkraft) in my 'hood whose sole purpose is to import odd beers. I gotta see if they've any of the others from this list. [quote] Steam Whistle does an authentic German style Pilsner following the Bavarian Purity Laws of 1512, which makes it awesome. One of the crispest beers I've ever had. Picaroons is a local brewery that pretty much only services Fredericton New Brunswick I think, but they would definitly ship. I love their Irish Red and their Best Bitter is good too. From Pumphouse I would recommend the Blueberry Ale. view post


posted 24 May 2006, 02:05 in Off-Topic Discussionhaha, fine, &quot;the beer thread&quot; happy? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm not a big Scotch drinker, for my whiskey I prefer Canaian Whiskey AKA Rye myself. Only Crown Royal for me. Stouts are good beer, especially if you want to drink for breakfast :) view post


posted 24 May 2006, 02:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe consult/Dunyain alliance? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Dunyain only really came into existence during the Apocalypse I believe. They may have existed in some form before then but I was under the impression that they philosophy and such developed as a result of the atrocitiies and brutality observed during the Apocalypse. They didn;t claim Ishual until afterwards remember. As for any of the debate about possibilities of a Dunyain Consult alliance the speculation and motivations I have presented, and others have discussed, are based purely on possible pragmatic desires the Dunyain may have now as well as the opinion of Kellhus. I don't know whether they would or not, and don't really want to say whether I even think they would or not. Just extrapolating on what motivations mat be and discussing those. view post


posted 24 May 2006, 02:05 in The Thousandfold Thoughtnonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think all we know is taller and beautiful in an inhuman manner. Other than that we haven't yet had an actual physical description of the non-men view post


posted 25 May 2006, 01:05 in The Thousandfold Thoughtnonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Immortality was achieved with the Tekne which means making it so your cells can regenerate ad infinitum :) We've seen two Nonmen (and no new nonmen have been born since the Womb Plague) and they seem fit and healthy. So it shouldn't be age, the baldness and fused teeth does sound familiar though although I can't recall where it was I saw it. I'm not actually even sure if the inhumanly beautiful tag was attached to the Nonmen or not, it was to the Sranc of course, the Inchoroi being as perverse as they are. But I do seem to think it applied to the Nonmen too at some point. view post


Re: Robert E. Howard posted 25 May 2006, 22:05 in Literature DiscussionRobert E. Howard by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="sunnKHANN":9r8q944y][quote="BankytheHack":9r8q944y]Wondering if anyone had read of Howard's work especially his "Conan" stories? Thanks![/quote:9r8q944y] I haven't read anything other than the 'Conan' stories...but they are stunning on their own. Truly, Howard's Hyperborian age is strikingly realistic, and under-rated due to the 'Conan' being tarred with the 'brainless dolt' brush.[/quote:9r8q944y] Quite right, although in the books Conan is actually a very intelligent man, not like he was later portrayed at all. view post


posted 25 May 2006, 22:05 in Literature DiscussionParadise Lost by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I read it once about 6 years ago, quite good. view post


posted 25 May 2006, 22:05 in Author Q &amp; Ahuman element in consult by Entropic_existence, Moderator

They definitely still exist, what's his name the old Mengaecca Grandmaster is still rumoured to be the Grandmaster still. The Gnosis + The Tekne appear to do wonders as far as longevity goes :) As for recruiting I would assume they still do in the remains of the Ancient North, probably have agents that go around and look for children that are of the Few maybe and abduct them and haul them off to Golgotterath :) Talk about a scary place to grow up in. view post


posted 31 May 2006, 12:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="kalbear":3boij1wp]We don't know what kind of sorcery the Inchoroi use, however. The Synthese house the souls of Men, and we know what they're doing - they use the Gnosis. Sorry, I should've been more precise. The Inchoroi don't seem to be magically based. They use technology, as far as I can tell. The Consult are Magi and Generals that are Men, and as such can happily use magic.[/quote:3boij1wp] When the Inchoroi arrived they used the Tekne exclusively. As time and their wars with the Cunoroi raged on they slowly began to forget many things about the Tekne. As their knowledge and expertise with their own Tekne failed, they began to learn Gnostic Sorcery and used it. Prior to the First Apocalypse the Schoolf of Mangeacca found the Ark-of-the-Skies and banded together with the remaining Inchoroi and Cunoroi Erratics. The humans ended up rediscovering much with the Tekne, together the Inchoroi (only two left now), Men, and Non-Men all make up the Consult. view post


posted 03 Jun 2006, 18:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionGood Program to rip Streaming videos? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I did a google search one time for record streaming video and got a bunch of hits back. I forget the name of the one I tried, which was pretty good except it only let you record 2 minutes at a time. view post


posted 03 Jun 2006, 18:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionIts not just Scott its the ancient boarders to by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I've knocked them all off as I try and hit the number one spot on the post count. Lol j/K I think only Scott is above me now. view post


posted 03 Jun 2006, 18:06 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWater by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Warrior-Poet":2m88o63w]Thank you Entropic for some reason I can never explain things quite as well as you can.[/quote:2m88o63w] Thanks for the praise WP, lol sometimes you explain things better than I do. I've completely lost track of the purpose of a good three or four threads and fear I'll contradict myself at some point in time.... then I'll create a tear in the time-space continuum! view post


posted 03 Jun 2006, 19:06 in Author Q &amp; AWhat happened to Scott? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'll bring my sister, she's tiny but she can outdrink just about every guy I know. The damn girl has an Inchoroi created super-liver I swear. view post


posted 08 Jun 2006, 22:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionIts not just Scott its the ancient boarders to by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="JustifiedHeretic":s3cikmbq]Us oldies come and go, I know i browse the board but have been really busy and haven't posted until recently.[/quote:s3cikmbq] Woah.... someone else on this board is from Fredericton? Bizarre :) view post


posted 13 Jun 2006, 13:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Scott, then the rest of us... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I thnk I need to go into hiding then :) Nice post btw view post


posted 16 Jun 2006, 00:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhere in the world is R. Scott Bakker? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Aldarion":2jrk0sqh]*whistles innocently* Yeah, NP is quite a bit different from PoN in style, flow, setting, etc. But it is even more difficult to read without reacting to it. Sorry, that's all I can say about it. I probably shouldn't even say that I've seen a draft of it, but I know I'm not to reveal anything about the plot. I do hope it's published as a novel and optioned at least as a film. It certainly would make for a lot of talk.[/quote:2jrk0sqh] Lucky, I got to hear about a chapter of it. Was interesting hearing the f-bomb dropped that many times during a reading :) view post


posted 16 Jun 2006, 00:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Scott, then the rest of us... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Aldarion":ew91yf8p]Bah, I'm too busy trying to recruit Kellhus to be on my Fantasy Football/Soccer Team. ;)[/quote:ew91yf8p] I was busy trying to convince Ferguson to sign him to the Leafs next year. Surely with Kelhus we can win the Cup? view post


posted 22 Jun 2006, 12:06 in Author Q &amp; AAkka's Magical! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Or maybe he just can't remember because it was heartfelt words said while in a state of grief? Hard to say really. Both explanations are plausible. view post


posted 23 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Off-Topic Discussionmeasure is unceasing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Amazing tat, I've always found the phrase both nifty and inspirational myself, the tibetan script complements it well I think, kudos. view post


posted 28 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionAny Webmasters out there? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm decent with the simple stuff at least, and know a thing or two about cgi-perl and using java on the web. I also know enough to know what I don't know and where to look to find out :) view post


posted 28 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionGophers... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm 23 and I vaguely remember gopher, they had it as a internet type thingy when I was in middle school. view post


posted 28 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Author Q &amp; AAkka's Magical! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, given that he would be speaking that high Non-man tongue and all, thats basically the reason why the words themselves are enevr written. Not like anyone who could hear him would actually know what he was saying anyway unless they too were a Sorceror. view post


posted 28 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Author Q &amp; AA Prince of Nothing Wiki by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea I don't think tolkienesque applies either except for maybe the idea of scope (a lived in world, large, etc) so I sort of edited the page. Not sure how good my change was as I did it in 5 seconds but the series is too far removed from the standard fantasy (IMHO) to be described as tolkienesque. view post


posted 28 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Author Q &amp; AInchoroi motivations and the quantum mechanics by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Scott has said before he doesn't want to reveal too much of the metaphysics of the setting because it would detract from the mystique of the world so to speak, as well as away from people's own thoughts and interpretations. That said it does appear that the Outside, Gods, Demons, and Damnation appear to exist in a very real sense and that Sorcerors are considered to be condemened (how Kellhus's proclamation that they aren't and whether their souls really are forefeit are up to interpretation). As for the Inchoroi, I think why they ended up in Earwa is a mystery, and likely to remain so. How numerous they were when they arrived I am unsure if that was mentioned. I don't have my copy of TTT to check the glossary but we know there are only two left alive in the present day. They were definitly technologically advanced, although they lost much of that skill and even by the Cuno-Inchoroi wars had taken to learning the Gnostic Sorcery of the world they were now living in. The rest I shall ponder. Anything is possible in Earwa and I suspect we will be left to interpret things for ourselves on many of these points :) view post


posted 28 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Author Q &amp; AInchoroi motivations and the quantum mechanics by Entropic_existence, Moderator

As an addendum check out the "moon, witches, and Inchoroi" thread. From what Scott says it seems I was right in thinking he had said that the Inchoroi had already lost much of their knowledge of their own technology by the time they crashed on Earwa. I favour the idea that they were refugee's of some sort and spent a loooooooong time on that ship before finally crash landing somewhere habitable. By the time they ended up oN earwa all they could do is tinker around and blindly experiment with their own machines. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. view post


Re: Not a scientist posted 28 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Philosophy DiscussionTranshumanism and Genetic Engineering by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="MrJims":xfedlbhj]Sorry, still new to the system and can't quote. Or attach to a post for that matter. Buy anyway, Entropic_exsistence said. There is a very good reason why we don't do this with humans much, because the fact is we don't know as much as we sometimes think we do, at least not on the practical level. We build very good models of how things work, we haven't yet learned enough to make 100% accurate simulations. The trials for gene therapy for instance haven't been spectacular, and when two kids died there was a moratorium placed on alot of the research avenues, at least at the clinical stage. There is more learned in failure than sucess. Granted certain failures could be terminal to the species. I think that one of the main fears, though hidden behind many rationales is that man does not want to become second class, even to his own creation/evolution. With computers we can argure that they only enhance us as oppose to replace. Mind you I am the pizza man and my related scientific info on the matter could fit under your fingernails. As for human losses in the name of research it begs the mean question. What is the price of salvation.[/quote:xfedlbhj] Sure, but we still don't want to tinker with gamete producing stem cell lines :) It's cool to try and fix a problem in an individual or enhance them (with their consent) but once you touch those gamete producers you are making a inheritable change which is simply too risky. For instance you could alter a gene to cure Cystic Fibrosis and end up causing a heritable Leukemia in its place. [quote="Lucky Sevens":xfedlbhj] At this moment in time, even the best humans have a significant lack of foresight and, if this were left unchanged, would perhaps eventually lead to some cataclysmic event. However, what we are talking about creating is a positive feedback system. Smarter humans can create better techniques to manipulate genes, and use existing ones in a more thoughtful manner to prevent flaws from surfacing. Better techniques and better planning then allow us to produce even more sophisticated (i.e. intelligent, healthy, etc.) humans, who in turn can do even better, and so on. [/quote:xfedlbhj] We don't know nearly enough about the human genome and how things fit in the big picture as far as intelligence and health to even attempt anything like that yet and it is still a long way down the road. Our biology is incredibly complex and things like intelligence rely on alot of interacting factors. We won't be tinkering here anytime soon I don't think. You would be better off enacting a selective breeding program for that at this point in time, kind of like the Dunyain :) view post


posted 29 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Off-Topic DiscussionAny Webmasters out there? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Warrior-Poet":31k3z3yj][quote:31k3z3yj]I also know enough to know what I don't know and where to look to find out [/quote:31k3z3yj] [url:31k3z3yj]http://www.criticalsecurity.net[/url:31k3z3yj] some shady people there but you can find out basicly anything there.[/quote:31k3z3yj] Just bookmarked it, looks like a decent place for security related issues. I may be setting up a web server in the next few months so it could come in very handy. view post


posted 29 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Author Q &amp; AA Prince of Nothing Wiki by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Murrin":jzy8d5z7]Weren't many of the aspects of Scott's world modelled on Tolkien's? The nonmen, sranc, wracu; the history where nonmen began to dwindle away and men arrived from the east....[/quote:jzy8d5z7] The Non-men and Sranc I can buy as being inspired by Tolkien since Non-men are sort of the "elves" if you will and in Tokien's world Orcs were created as imitations of Elves while Sranc in PON are imitations of Non-men. Of course Dragons predate Tolkien altogether. Obviously pretty much all fantasy literature draws from and owes something to Tolkien, he created the modern genre. However books such as the PON differ so radically from Tolkien's work that describing them as Tolkienesque in my opinion is not warranted, nor is it correct. It definitly would give the wrong impression to someone who is a casual fantasy reader. After all, this isn't Frodo and Sam and a magic ring :) view post


posted 29 Jun 2006, 21:06 in Philosophy DiscussionTranshumanism and Genetic Engineering by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Lucky Sevens":3ddbjgye]At this point in time, you are quite right. Although it's an exponential feedback loop, it's most certainly not easy to start up. As for selective breeding, I guess one could do that, and it might have some small measure of success, though it's a bit too messy of a process for my tastes. Might as well just start dumping amino acids and random proteins together and hope a perfect human walks out ready to roll.[/quote:3ddbjgye] Actually you are far more likely to achieve concrete results doing selective breeding for intelligence or athleticism than you are trying to actually tinker on the gentic level to achieve it. After all intelligence has both a genetic component as well as a non-genetic one (how you are raised plays a rather large roll), and it definitly isn't just one gene. We know enough that we could probably tinker around to genetically to be bigger and stronger, its a little more straightforward but there could be a host of secondary complications with other genes that we don't know enough about weren't also tinkered with ;) You should take a look at an interaction map of the human genome sometime, it's a real mess and thats just the stuff we have identified concretely to some extent. view post


posted 01 Jul 2006, 15:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionAny Webmasters out there? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Warrior-Poet":3k4zpa1p]Just be careful they will flame very hashly if you break any of their rules and just to warn you most of them are hackers.[/quote:3k4zpa1p] Yea I got that impression, I'd only be interested in seeking advice on how best to lock something down anyway. view post


posted 01 Jul 2006, 15:07 in Author Q &amp; AA Prince of Nothing Wiki by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Warrior-Poet":2t0nweef]As long as Scott stays away from magic rings and epic quests with "fellowships" I'm not going to start describing it as Tolkienesque although i do see the similarities.[/quote:2t0nweef] Exactly, there is a big, big difference between similarities (which most fantasy shares) and being Tolkienesque. Tolkienesque is a word that gets thrown around to label any epic fantasy. It is meant in a good way but it is very misleading and IMHO should only be used when the mood and such in some way reflects Tolkien as well. view post


posted 10 Jul 2006, 04:07 in The Thousandfold Thoughtnonmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Virus":35chrti6]Yes but do we know for sure that they were different than men before the inchoroi or could this be the name men attributed to them when they recorded their history? hmm?[/quote:35chrti6] We most certainly do, a read through the TTT glossary has all of the evidence needed. There were men in Eanna and their weaker cousins in Earwa as a slave race. view post


posted 14 Jul 2006, 13:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionGaming? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Played D&D (2nd and 3rd Editions) for quite a bit as well as the newer Star Wars D20 based RPG. For online I play Guild Wars on occassion and enjoy some good RPG offline cames like Morrowind, Oblivion, etc. One of my favourite gaming moments was as a Dark Side Force User in a Star Wars game and being able to catch an entire unit of 25 soldiers all within range of Force Lightning. Two uses later and they were all dead. Luckily the DM went easy on the Dark Side Points :) view post


posted 14 Jul 2006, 13:07 in Philosophy Discussionignorance or enlightenment ? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

enlightenment, definitely. Ignorance may be bliss but it isn't the type of bliss I want for myself. I'd rather know the ills of the world and still find a way to be happy. view post


posted 16 Jul 2006, 18:07 in Author Q &amp; AAkka's Magical! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="poeg":1wsffdof]I think that the events that have unfolded around him along with the man Akka is has allowed more of Seswatha to exist in him than any suspect including himself. Where the others dream of Seswatha and are able to use the Gnosis, our hero is as much Seswatha as he is himself. I think this is a linchpin in the greater storyline.[/quote:1wsffdof] I agree, at least in part, but I don't think this particular passage is an example of that. But I could be wrong. view post


posted 20 Jul 2006, 13:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Very insightful, I like it. view post


posted 24 Jul 2006, 13:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Shryke":2gz538jv][quote:2gz538jv] [quote:2gz538jv] Entropic_existence 3)The Skin-Spy with a soul was described as an aberation. As Scott has said before only Humans, The Inchoroi, and the Non-men are inherently souled but sometimes, through circumstance, creatures without souls can "Awaken". Something like this happened with that Skin-Spy who infiltrated the Mandate. Luckily the Consult never could duplicate it. [/quote:2gz538jv] Interesting that the aberation just happened to have a soul powerful/old/aware (whatever the criteria actually are) enough to wield sorcery.[/quote:2gz538jv] Just thought I'd point out that this is a HUGE misunderstanding floating around this board. Scott was NOT reffering to just random creatures "Awakening" when he made that remark. It's not like a deer running through the forest has a chance to suddenly, randomly gain a soul. What he was reffering to at the time was that Non-men and Men both had souls and that this was just something that happened to certain species. As they evolved and went about there buisness of living, some species eventually "Awakened" and gained souls. It was in reference to a SPECIES becoming souled, not to a random creature suddenly gaining one. I'll try and dig up the post so you can see for yourselves. Just thought I'd point that out since I see it quoted EVERYWHERE on this board.[/quote:2gz538jv] You're looking for this thread: http://www.forum.three-seas.com/viewtop ... =soul#6993 And you are probably right; however, the Skin-Spy has been noted as an abberation. Hopefully this will be explored more in later books. view post


posted 24 Jul 2006, 13:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Dagda":37nhydvg]I didn't see the refrence to humans as noman slaves .... the only refrences I picked up are the Tusk tales of peoples coming over the mountains, I assume from an original homeland. If you find the item, please post it for me. Great info![/quote:37nhydvg] There are two different groups of humans, or where rather. There were the "soft-hearted me" I forget what they were called. Anyway they were slaves to the Non-men. Then there were the Tribes of men who lived on Eanna (where the Tusk takes place) who then carried out the "Breaking of the Gates" and waged a Holy War of erradication against the weakened Non-men. All of the tribes of Eanna but one migrated to Earwa where they now flourish. view post


posted 25 Jul 2006, 05:07 in Philosophy DiscussionWar in Lebanon by Entropic_existence, Moderator

War sucks, innocent people get hurt, and I usually always see issues I agree with on both sides in many circumstances. The innocent people of Lebanon don't deserve to get caught in the middle but Hezbollah is getting what they need. At least Isreal makes even a cursory effort to minimize civilian casualties. Hezbollah likes to fire unguided rockets at civilians on purpose. Of course my opinions are far more complicated but thats it in a nutshell. view post


posted 27 Jul 2006, 02:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Dagda":2earrwei]Thanks for the info eveyone. What would the Human timeline be then? I know that the Apoc. is dated to 2000 yrs before PoN. What date is the end of the Nomen/Icc Wars? Would this preclude genetic/techne interference with the development of humans? ( I know, I can't give up on the idea of produced humanity in this world, but it would be such a breathe of fresh air ...... something different! :lol: ) I'll check out the female discussions also .... Dagda[/quote:2earrwei] I don't think there was, although according to the Inchoroi during the Cuno-Inchoroi wars humans weren't very sophisticated. We know the Inchoroi provided the invading tribes with Chorae to use against the Non-men in their Holy War of Genocide and the Brreaking of the Gates but we have no idea how far along the men of Eanna where before having contact with the Inchoroi. Somehow I don't think they were tampered with though. They seem to be too much a part of the world, and to be.. natural in ways the created races (Sranc, etc) are not. view post


posted 27 Jul 2006, 02:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Warrior-Poet":21g2234l] Edit : Yay for me just reached Sorc of Rank Didact was kind of annoying after awhile[/quote:21g2234l] I'm waiting to see what the next stage in my ladder is and how many more posts it will take for me to get there :) I've had this one since 400 posts. view post


Re: Akka IS Magical you heathens! posted 27 Jul 2006, 02:07 in Author Q &amp; AAkka's Magical! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Mahajanga Mordecai":3i63hxm3]I'm going to assume that no one, including Sessa, has ever done any healing or otherwise "good" thing with the Gnosis. In fact I remember Akka thinking to himself that for all the might and ingenuity of the Gnosis, those "brilliant flurries of light" always go "in the wrong direction"; which is to say, they can accomplish nothing more than destruction. Now we know better, of course, but they don't live in a world where they have the time or opportunity to think of the practical (non violent) uses of thier craft. Irregardless, my point is that I don't think Seswatha had anything to do with this moment. This was Akka tapping into something unknown... unintentionally. Ironically, it was his emotions that sparked this phenomena, not his intellect; which of course makes me think of the Cishaurim (RIP Waterbearers :( ).[/quote:3i63hxm3] I still think the phrasing was just indicating Akka being lost in grief and consoling a dieing friend and nothing more. Some things in the books have to be normal and ordinary too, otherwise the fantastic would cease to be fantastic. But hye I could be wrong and that is merely my opinion :) view post


posted 28 Jul 2006, 01:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Warrior-Poet":2ev607hi]hmmm i thought u would have changed after 550. It will prolly be 600 though I have been wondering for awhile what the next one was. Im praying that they wont start to get to stupid but the top one will probably be grandmaster or qorum member.[/quote:2ev607hi] Yea everyone above me now has special titles like "author" and "admin" sheesh. I feel like I'm breaking new ground here or something. view post


posted 28 Jul 2006, 01:07 in Philosophy DiscussionAMERICAN POLITICS... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I hate american politics. The whole two-party system that it has become is, in my opinio0n, and affront to democracy. Of course I'd change a thing or two about the political and governmental system here too if I had free reign to do so. view post


posted 28 Jul 2006, 21:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionGaming? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Hellscythe":25afyqw8]Ok, well, I think this will be the first time im posting outside of the rpg discussion thread. Ive played Magic: the Gathering since 1998, though I have done no tournaments as of yet (my deck sucks!) As for WoW and other online mmorpg's, I dont have the money and my mom needs help, due to my father being brain-damaged due to medical negligence. But I wont depress you all with the sad tale.[/quote:25afyqw8] We have an RPG thread that is still active? Wow how did I miss that... view post


posted 28 Jul 2006, 21:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Ismellofhockey":odesbyl8]Hi everyone, new to the forum but glad to find a community that appreciated the PoN series as much as I did (perhaps more in some cases). As for Mekeritrig, there is the question of how the Heron Spear came to be found again, it doesn't take a huge leap of reasoning to figure out Mekeritrig would have had access to the weapon and that it would exlpain how he fought for and against the No-God. Pure speculation of course since I can't figure out any reason why he'd change camps again but who knows. As for his allegiance now, Anasûrimbor is a name important to the Mandate but would the Consult know of this prophecy or care? Celmomas announced the prophecy with his dying breath to Seswatha, perhaps the Consult knows nothing of it. It does seem as has been said that after Mekeritrig's encounter with Kellhus that they are actively seeking out the Dunyain, I'm not sure they'd see any reason to seek out Kellhus in particular. They also know the Dunyain are in the North, so Kellhus' encounter with the Non-Man did bring them some information as to their location.[/quote:odesbyl8] The Mandate and Consult fought a war for a few hundred years, I bet they know of the prophecy. Besides that the name alone would be enough to give one pause. Imagine if someone named Genghis Khan just showed up out of the blue leading some big army... I bet we would stop and think for a bit :) view post


posted 29 Jul 2006, 15:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionGaming? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Hellscythe":2lgfo3ng]not an rpg thread the way your thinking. Its a discussion on how to make an rpg based on the prince of nothing series.[/quote:2lgfo3ng] Yea I know :) That is what I was thinking. I had been involved in some of the original discussions about it awhile back but don't recall seeing any activity in any of thoes threads for awhile. view post


posted 29 Jul 2006, 15:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtHeresiarch of the Cishaurim by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="brandon":32xc6os1]No other words i can think of. In some ways the fanim are the christian type faith, but its followers and the majority of the followers of inrithism look the same, ie brown skin, black hair and dark eyes. They're the same race, different religion (and clothes).[/quote:32xc6os1] The Fanim are really based more on Islam than Christianity. view post


posted 29 Jul 2006, 15:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="brandon":2cswok68]I think the only way the consult would know of the prophecy is if the mandate openly speaks of it. Otherwise, there is no reason why the consult would think to ask the mandate if they have any prophecies they might like to know about. on top of that, the consult work with science. i don't believe they would put any weight in a prophecy.[/quote:2cswok68] The Inchoroi began using Sorcery as well as the Tekne sometime after their arrival in the world and their wars with the Non-men started. The Consult was formed by a Human Sorcerous school gone rogue and the surviving Inchoroi, they use Sorcery just as much as the Tekne, probably more so actually since it is reliable and not all guess work. view post


posted 30 Jul 2006, 22:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionGaming? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Hellscythe":l15yhwis]well, I have a few ideas for a rp in chats on aol. I leave the actual computer game to those more able to accomplish the task.[/quote:l15yhwis] I couldn't code a game more complicated than a basic text based game unfortunately :) view post


posted 30 Jul 2006, 22:07 in Philosophy DiscussionNLP by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I haven't heard of NLP at all so have never read up on it. There might be something to it, manipulation is an art form really although I find its overt and deliberate use distasteful on a personal level. view post


posted 01 Aug 2006, 05:08 in Philosophy DiscussionWar in Lebanon by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="gierra":23rok1vq][quote="Entropic_existence":23rok1vq]At least Isreal makes even a cursory effort to minimize civilian casualties. Hezbollah likes to fire unguided rockets at civilians on purpose. [/quote:23rok1vq] i admit that i'm mostly ignorant on the issue, as i try to avoid watching the news these days, but from what i've seen, i'm not sure this is true. any time that i [i:23rok1vq]do[/i:23rok1vq] hear something, it's about how isreals rockets hit a hospital, or a school, or so on. either way, both sides are at fault, so as far as i'm concerned, they can bomb the hell out of eachother.[/quote:23rok1vq] True, and Isreal isn't as careful as it could be (which is why I said cursory). Of course that hezbollah actually likes to hide in civilian buildings greatly complicates the matter when your waging an air campaign. I personally think most military engagements should be done with boots on the ground but that can actually result in just as high civilian casualties and collateral damage. Definitly a tricky issue view post


posted 02 Aug 2006, 03:08 in Philosophy DiscussionWar in Lebanon by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Hellscythe":5y6vb2th]You know what really pisses me off?The fact that Hezbollah is nothing more than a puppet, controlled by Syria and Iran. I mean, think about it. Iran is probably afraid of Israel flying in and taking out their nuclear reactor like Israel did in Iraq in the 80's. So what does Iran do? It tells Hezbollah to go and start a war with Israel, keep everyone from paying attention to Iran while Iran goes about continuing to refine plutonium, despite the entire international community's repeated declarations against it.[/quote:5y6vb2th] Yup, and of course with that whole "veto" thing the permanent members of the UN security council have the UN's hands are tied making it completely ineffectual at enforcing the will of the international community. view post


posted 04 Aug 2006, 03:08 in Philosophy DiscussionWar in Lebanon by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Primal":3jb3n5el]Imagine a crowd of people. There's this one guy standing off by himself, a strong individual type. Other people surround him, and they all hate him because he's different. The guy isn't the good guy or the innocent here either. He, too, has enmity. There is no good or bad side in the crowd; just people that hate and distrust each other. No one really wants to mess with the lone guy 'cause he's strong. But they do taunt him throughout the years, and finally one person throws a rock and gashes the lonewolf in the forehead. The lonewolf turns around and socks him a couple of times, and before he really gets into the beating, some other entities, that he respects, step in to try to stop him. Why do these others step in? Either they feel it's their duty or their own sense of self-importance to step in or they're trying to maintain an image of peacemakers-and-keepers or they don't want to feel the pressure of the crowd saying they didn't do anything or whatever. It's like the momentum of something occurring, but then for whatever reason, perhaps inexplicable, someone intervenes. Maybe they feel it'll be a bad consequence for all. But they don't really know. They just assume all fighting is bad. What if that rockthrower really needed a good beating? "Words will never hurt me, but sticks and stones and Israel's fists will break my bones." My point is this: step aside Condie. Don't fucking interfere. Let it happen. I'm not for either side. I am for letting them hash it out. As for civilians getting caught in the middle...in our modern wars, most likely there will be collateral damage. Also, it's nearly impossible and impractical to isolate the supporters of Hezbollah from the innocent in Lebanon. Thus, bombs away.[/quote:3jb3n5el] There are actually fewer innocent casualties and less collateral damage in the wars we have now than say WWI and WWII. Hell we fire bombed entire german cities, look at the reconstruction that was required. Of course now we can't have symmetric wars anymore. We have to fight urban geurilla wars against non-state entities. It tends to make things quite difficult all around. view post


posted 14 Aug 2006, 01:08 in Philosophy DiscussionWar in Lebanon by Entropic_existence, Moderator

All major news organizations (including the BBC) are becoming more and more driven by the need to sensationalize in order to sell news. Whether the bias is hard right or hard left it is almost impossible to fully trust the media these days, which is sad. You always expect some bias, especially in editorials, because reporters and news people ARE human. But in my opinion the state of the media today is not to report the news or the truth it is toi give you opinion. Colbert's "truthiness" I think applies to the modern media more than any other word. As for the Middle-East, a detailed reasing of the history of the region will go to show that everyone has a hand in the instability of the region. Traditionally much of the region is clan based. You protected your Wadi, your herd, and your people from any and all strangers. The sands of the region are soaked in the blood of those who have died over the course of thousands of years. This only gives you an appreciation of the background from which the various cultures of the are grew out of. If you look at the area more in the modern area you have the British pulling out of their Middle Eastern colonies and in many cases arbitrariloy setting the borders for new nations. Sometimes this worked and sometimes it didn't. A two state solutiuon for Isreal/Palestine that put Jerusalem under the control of the International community may have worked better than what is there currently, or some variation of that. Perhaps a full One State 100% secular nation may have worked bettee than what exists now. Either way the question becomes how to fix it, and I'm not sure if anything will work better than simply letting everyone beat the crap out of each other will. view post


posted 15 Aug 2006, 02:08 in Author Q &amp; ANot smart enough by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Guest Strikes Back? view post


posted 15 Aug 2006, 14:08 in Author Q &amp; ANot smart enough by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Deornoth":2ve777g7]Night of the living Guest? :twisted: Would anyone believe me if I said those posts were mine? :oops: Sometimes my computer logs me in, sometimes it just laughs at me and says I'm a guest... :roll: Oh well...[/quote:2ve777g7] Don't worry it happens. It is probably something to do with how your browser is handling cookies (not the Logos cookies :) ). I know I use firefox and every once in awhile it deletes my cookies or something and all my auto-login sites revert to as if I hadn't been there before, etc. Quite annoying at times. view post


posted 17 Aug 2006, 18:08 in Literature DiscussionErikson Neophyte by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Malazan is excellent, although the style is very different from both PoN and ASOIAF. The Malazan series is very military oriented but is very over the top in term of power levels and such (some people complain about this but it fits for the type of book that it is) Gardens is slow until about the midpoint so don't give up to quickly. It is definitly one of my favourite series out there. The characters are great and the scope of the book is very impressive. Plus the battles and action are very well written and exciting in my opinion. Lots of twists and turns in the plot, sometimes you just have to realize that you don't know squat except what the characters want other characters to know and think at any given time :) view post


posted 17 Aug 2006, 18:08 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestion (I hope its not stupid) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

TTT enced the current trilogy, which was meant to cover the rise of Kelhus and the path of the Holy War. As WP said there will be another series coming out set 20 years from the end of TTT and I believe it will be either a Duology ot another Trilogy. I believe that series will be titled the Aspect-Emperor, as the current trilogy is called The Prince of Nothing. A few details may be wrong here and there but thats the gist of things. Currently Scott is I believe still polishing up an unrelated work called Neuropath which may end up either getting picked up as a book or as a movie script. Haven't heard from him in a bit though so not sure exactly what is up there. view post


posted 17 Aug 2006, 18:08 in The Warrior ProphetNo-God and the Topoi of Caraskand by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I just happened to come in here and check as I usually stick to the TTT and the Q&A section of the board for speculation. It definitly is a very interesting theory but not sure if I can add more insight. I'm not quite sure if what happens at a topoi is the soul of the dead being claimed by the No-God or not. Part of me assumed it was more similar to the soul being unclaimed or, if the soul did pass on into the Outside there was some imprint left on the land. I would definitly need to go back and re-read a few parts of the book though to be sure and I don't have access to those currently. Very interesting ideas though although on a pure violence/suffering level Carascand was like a Riot in comparison to the Holocaust that the Plains where I think. view post


posted 18 Aug 2006, 14:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionNeuropath by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Not yet. Last I had heard was way back in March and it was still being shopped around by his agent at the time. I know then it looked like it might have a better shot at getting picked up as a movie as oppossed to a book. Not sure yet if they've had it picked up as either yet but I would think so. view post


posted 19 Aug 2006, 13:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionNeuropath by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I heard Scott read a chapter from Neuropath and there was definitly alot of cursing :) But it was all very natural really. view post


posted 22 Aug 2006, 23:08 in Author Q &amp; ANot smart enough by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea he is pretty tall. He only had a few inches on me though so it wasn't that bad when I met him view post


posted 23 Aug 2006, 03:08 in Author Q &amp; ANot smart enough by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm 6'3"-6'4" and he's got some on me. I think he's around 6'6" if I remember correctly? view post


posted 23 Aug 2006, 19:08 in Author Q &amp; ANot smart enough by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Harrol":3rq320nv]I am 5' 8" so Scott towered 10 inches over me. Still I was most impressed by how personable he is.[/quote:3rq320nv] Yea he is a very nice guy and easy to talk to. Alot of other authors tend to be a little stand-offish but Scott definitly isn't. view post


posted 25 Aug 2006, 21:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionThe appearance of White Lord by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, WL has an impressive grasp og the series :) There is a reason he did some work on the glossary of TTT for Scott :) view post


posted 25 Aug 2006, 22:08 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSu'juroit, Cû'jara-Cinmoi and Cûnuroi Witch-Kings by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think you hit the nail on the head WL, at least what you summed up matched exactly what my own thoughts were on the subject from reading things. I'm craving more detailed information on the society the Non-men had before their slow decline into obscurity. view post


Perceptions of Reality posted 25 Aug 2006, 22:08 in Philosophy DiscussionPerceptions of Reality by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Hey folks, this post may end up being more rambling than I intend but I want to get peoples opinions on reality, your perception of it, etc. Alot of post-modern thought tends (at least from my interpretation of it) to point that reality and truth are in a sense subjective, i.e. there is no such thing as absolute Truth. As a scientist I have a small problem with that because it seems to me there must be fundamental underlying Laws of nature that determine how the universe works. Of course on the other hand I've always liked the idea that to an extent human belief shapes reality. I think of course that that comes from some of the many sci-fi and fantasy books that I have read where concepts like gods where shaped and empowered purely on human belief. Anyway anyone have anything they would like to share on this subject? view post


posted 26 Aug 2006, 00:08 in Author Q &amp; ATTT paperback? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I have WP and TTT in trade, Darkness is in regular paperback though. view post


posted 26 Aug 2006, 00:08 in Philosophy DiscussionPerceptions of Reality by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Harrol":1szbe6ti]Well certainly with out some sort of truth or reality then science is impossible to have. For example you can not have a measurement without a reference I am not a scientist but I work on their lab equipment and I know a lot of their findings in some way comes from what they can measure and reference. Without some form of truth and reality then what do we as people have to go by?[/quote:1szbe6ti] Yea, thats my thought too, although when you start to delve too much into Quantum Mechanics it starts to get a little hairy. But it depends I guess if you think there is a differene of more than just scale between the quantum and the gross physical world. view post


posted 31 Aug 2006, 00:08 in RPG DiscussionQuick and Dirty Prince of Nothing RPG by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Ok for some reason until just recently I hadn't even seen this section of the board, which is quite odd. Anyway I would love to be involved in any project of this nature. I don't get to actually game anymore but I have a decent head for adapting D20 stuff from one setting to another and looking for new material from other d20 sources. The Black Company game sounds like it would make a REALLY good adaptation for Ericksons Malazan series as well. view post


posted 31 Aug 2006, 22:08 in RPG DiscussionQuick and Dirty Prince of Nothing RPG by Entropic_existence, Moderator

That may work, after all the Dunyain are "bred" and as such would function in much the same way as a sub-race would. Of course canon Dunyain would likely all be Monks of some kind. view post


posted 31 Aug 2006, 22:08 in Author Q &amp; AChorae bowmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Sorry folks, apparently I am unable to remove posts in this forum. view post


posted 31 Aug 2006, 22:08 in Interviews and ReviewsMy ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT Interview by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Please, don't reply to the Spam :) Anyway it has been deleted. view post


posted 03 Sep 2006, 15:09 in Author Q &amp; ANot smart enough by Entropic_existence, Moderator

And again, I don't have moderator privledges in this particular section of the forum and apologize for any lingering spam here. view post


posted 04 Sep 2006, 19:09 in The Thousandfold Thoughtso what happens now???? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Because the first Trilogy was suppossed to chronicle the Rise of Kelhus and tell the story of the Holy War, the next set of books deals with the Consult and the Second Apocalypse. Apparently it takes 20 years for that to happen, or at least for it to be the point Scott wants to jump in at. view post


Re: Being damned posted 06 Sep 2006, 21:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionBeing damned by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Harrol":2fgiwjyh]We all know that in the PON sorcerers are damned the second they speak in the God's togue. Does anyone else here think the same is true for spammers? The second they spam they are doomed to hell. I think that theyt are but I am not quite sure.[/quote:2fgiwjyh] Hell is in my delete key :) view post


posted 09 Sep 2006, 14:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionBeing damned by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Xray the Enforcer":18dry2en]the mighty puissance of the moderator!!! (I just got made a mod at Westeros, and am still drunk on my awesome powers. or perhaps that's gin?)[/quote:18dry2en] I try and temper my power, and so far have just been cleaning up tons of spam every day. Oh and edited one spoilerific comment in a forum where it shouldn't have been. view post


posted 14 Sep 2006, 19:09 in Literature DiscussionErikson Neophyte by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Krijates Iryssas":qgt2rfmn]I like these books a lot but they're not for everyone. Erikson is at his best with epic and battle scenes, he really catched these moods well. The world building is extremely good and colourful, though not as good as Bakker's. The characters are much more lovable, but not always very deep (and they are very, very many.) There's some genuinely freakingly good ideas and images all the way, but you have to overlook some weaknesses, too. I think they're books that would appeal to most Bakker fen, though. They are similarity in the scope and power of the characters, though Erikson have many very uber-powerful characters instead of a couple :) and much more divine interventions (I like the fact it's a world where gods screw up mortals and mortals screw up gods)[/quote:qgt2rfmn] That's one of my favourite parts of it as well. Even though there are alot of very powerful characters, being powerful isn't always a good thing. Erickson's idea of "power drawing power" as being a negative thing is a wonderful balancing force. That and mistakes (even if they don't seem like mistakes at the time) have consequences. view post


posted 30 Sep 2006, 15:09 in Philosophy DiscussionTranshumanism and Genetic Engineering by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Eugenics and Genetic Engineering ar not the same thing at all, Eugenics is restricted breeding on human beings akin to what we do with cattle. Pretty much everyone agrees that in practice it would be horrible. To Godwin the concept the Nazi's where very fond of the idea of Eugenics in order to make the human race better. I had already argued above about how Genetic Engineering on a wide scale with humans would probably be bad because of economic factors. All current gene therapies for humans only target somatic cells, not germ line cells. There is a twofold reason for this, one is ethical and the other is monetary (although that hasn't come into play yet.) The ethics behind it are simple, we don't know what the long term affect could be in subsequent generations if we targeted germ line cells. Sure we may cure Cystic Fibrosis, but we could also introduce a whole slew of cancers and childhood leukemias due to the methods used. The monetary issue hasn't come into play yet because right now all egen therapy that has been done has been experimental. IF such treatments ever become widespread and common the drug companies will probably have their hands in it. Better to treat the patient than future patients at the same time. Anyway it is very important to not confuse the issues of Genetic Engineering and Eugenics, they are quite different ideas but the two too often get equated with one another in bad science fiction. As for the autism and herpes comment it is important to note that that is one theory that has been put forward as possibly playing a role in autism. It is not fact. Autism definitly has a genetic component to it where clusters of genes do not appear to function properly. Then there is a complex enviromental trigger that has yet to be figured out. view post


posted 06 Oct 2006, 17:10 in General AnnouncementsSpam by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="wilyadguy":5evazyf3]now that is not cool[/quote:5evazyf3] What's not cool? Spam... yea spam isn't cool at all, especially when I have to delete it. view post


posted 06 Oct 2006, 17:10 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat happens to them. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm still here, I usually log in every few days to delete spam except for during the last week and a half-two weeks where commitments to my Masters work reduced my availabilty to even sleep :) Don't worry I won't be abandoning the board anytime soon to let it be overrun by the evil spammers. Although now I spend so much time deleting spam and reporting spam accounts that I don't leap into the discussions quite so much. Anyway I do my best to at least log in every two days or so, if not every day when I can. view post


posted 06 Oct 2006, 17:10 in Off-Topic DiscussionOther forums frequented by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It isn't really a message board but I'm on Fark.com alot and participate in the odd thread or so as far as discussion goes. Generally I tend to comment more in the political and scientific threads. Same name so I'm easy to find. :) view post


posted 06 Oct 2006, 17:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

WL is most definetly right. Generally there ends up being alot of confusion when referring to the Inchori and the Consult. I believe there is a thread either in this section or the Q&A where we had a rather lengthy debate over the concept of Damnation and the motivations of the Consult. I'm really too lazy to look for it right now while I'm at work though. view post


posted 06 Oct 2006, 18:10 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat happens to them. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Harrol":3ksstzvy]Cool EE good luck with getting your masters. :)[/quote:3ksstzvy] Thanks, on another note I'll be away all weekend (Thanksgiving here and all) and very busy on Monday finishing up applications for funding. But I'll be around tuesday to clean out any spam that accumulates over the weekend. view post


posted 06 Oct 2006, 18:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Harrol":1e17tnrk]Yes I had confused myself on what an old name was. It does appear at least for now that the Inchoroi are the first amongst equals in the consult.[/quote:1e17tnrk] Thats how I see it as well, after all their are only two of them left and it was the human Consult that was instrumental in resurrecting the Tekne to the degree it has. The Inchoroi themselves had fallen quite far in their level of knowledge between their arrival and that point in time. view post


posted 14 Oct 2006, 18:10 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat happens to them. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I have an image of being kept prisoner in gierras house. Hmmm view post


posted 14 Oct 2006, 18:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi and Sorcerer Goals. Call for theories... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

One of the biggest things to remember, and WL pointed this out in his earlier post, is to remember that there is a distinction between the "real" mechanics (most of which Scott will never reveal to us :) ) and what people think is going on. Like WL I don't think sorcerors are damned by default, that is merely the belief that has been held by most humans since the Tusk was written. view post


posted 14 Oct 2006, 18:10 in Philosophy Discussionpsychological affects of ranks in forums by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Definitly didn't have the patience to go through all the posts. Of course now I have jumped beyond the ranking system of you mere mortals. My rank is beyond comprehension and exists outside of space and time itself. Alright, not really. view post


posted 17 Oct 2006, 12:10 in Author Q &amp; AGnosis vs. Anagogis, and sorcery in general by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Really the only 100% accurate answer we can give is "we don't know" Scott hasn't provided enough information on this to be sure. We can make some guesses, which were explained above, and they are certainly reasonable given the impressions we are given of the three types of sorceries. Remember too that Sorcery in Earwa tends to be inherently destructive, as opposed to a creative force but that tends to llimits all sorceries and not any one in particular. view post


posted 17 Oct 2006, 12:10 in Philosophy Discussionpsychological affects of ranks in forums by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Crom laughs at your four winds? view post


posted 18 Oct 2006, 23:10 in Off-Topic DiscussionMovies...? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Harrol":1ulhkqob]I saw a great movie this weekend called The Departed. It is a mob/cop movies but it really leaves a lot of the stereo typical plots behind. In some ways it was very Game of Thronesish. I will leave that last statement up to the imagination. If you can see it I think it is worth while. P.S. do not take your kids, the weak hearted or people that like happy endings to it.[/quote:1ulhkqob] Thats because it is a Scorsese film :) And he is an absolutly brilliant filmmaker. Coupled with an all-star cast who all gave brilliant performances. It was one of the best movies I have seen all year. view post


posted 18 Oct 2006, 23:10 in Author Q &amp; AGnosis vs. Anagogis, and sorcery in general by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There is a difference between using a destructive force for a good purpose and being truly creative. When sorcerors in the books reference this they are most likely refering to things like creating life, something sorcery can't really do, etc. There are also things that aren't inherently destructive (dream communication, wards, etc) but they don't really get catagorized as creative forces. view post


posted 18 Oct 2006, 23:10 in Philosophy Discussionpsychological affects of ranks in forums by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I am merely a servant of the Admin. But I can be sort of like the Virgin Mary and intercede on your behalf :) view post


posted 19 Oct 2006, 22:10 in Philosophy Discussionpsychological affects of ranks in forums by Entropic_existence, Moderator

No if only I was a woman, a virgin, and had an immaculate conception we would be all set! view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 21:10 in Philosophy Discussionpsychological affects of ranks in forums by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I got to Sorceror-of-Rank, and then just before hitting 600 posts (where I figured I might switch ranks) I became a mod. Now I have to wait for other people to catch up! view post


posted 25 Oct 2006, 02:10 in Philosophy Discussionpsychological affects of ranks in forums by Entropic_existence, Moderator

You people have moved beyond strange to downright bizzare. view post


posted 28 Oct 2006, 18:10 in Off-Topic DiscussionScott Bakker ruined it for me. by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I can be relatively snobby when it comes to fantasy, but that said I enjoy some good old swords n' sorcery, babes n' blades style fantasy novels as well. I have a guilty pleasure in the form of DnD based books and David Gemmel novels. But they don't compare, for me, to Bakker, Erickson, Martin, etc. I'm also a fan of the Wheel of Time despite some of its many flaws. I think the world Jordan created was brilliant and exciting even if his writing can be pedantic at times. I refuse to read Harry Potter though, I've read a few excerpts and although I can appreciate the fact that it is a pretty cool series with a good world and interesting characters the writing style and difficulty level kind of turns me off a bit. Maybe when that series is all done I'll check them all out of the library and read the entire series over a long weekend :) view post


posted 28 Oct 2006, 18:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Harrol":36lz8azw]I believe the No-God lacks a certain amount of self awareness. To what degree I am not sure. He is certainly a force that disturbes the cycle of life.[/quote:36lz8azw] I think this seems to be the general consensus of many of us on the board, alhough to what extent we agree or disagree is different I guess. It does seem to indicate some sort of detachment from the world, not comprehending fully what it is. But of course we could all be wrong :) view post


posted 28 Oct 2006, 18:10 in Philosophy DiscussionRight thing to do? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Really I think this, while possibly being a right vs. wrong type situation, isn't exactly one that treads to firmly on the idea of whether the question is moral or not. view post


posted 02 Nov 2006, 03:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNo-God's questions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Just wanted to point out that my comment of lack of awareness to some degree in no way implied that the No-God was not self-aware. Not comprehending oneself fully is not the same thing as being non-self-aware. It is kind of like Frankensteins Monster in a way when you think about it, and the No-God may exist in that mold to some extent. I expect that it will be a superficial comparison at best given Scotts metaphysics view post


posted 02 Nov 2006, 03:11 in Author Q &amp; AGnosis vs. Anagogis, and sorcery in general by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Cynical Cat":m0wcemk4]Scott has mentioned that Gnostic Sorcery can be used to summon and bind agencies.[/quote:m0wcemk4] Yup, much speculation exists as to exactly what form this will take. After all it is possible that the manifestation of Demonic Agencies summoned through the Daimos in some way reflect that the Anagogic version of the Daimos relies on analogy. What I mean by that is the appearance of the demons on this plane may in no way reflect their "true" self. One summoned through the Abstractions may appear completely different. An interesting thought anyway. view post


Re: toronto residents.. battle recreation? posted 04 Nov 2006, 15:11 in Off-Topic Discussiontoronto residents.. battle recreation? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="gierra":m2399bnn]i'm trying to recruit some people for a battle recreation group in toronto. www.torvik.org. if anyone is unterested, PM me. tho i think the only person is EE and he's all busy with school.. but hey, it's worth a shot.[/quote:m2399bnn] I'm actually not in the big TO anymore, moved in May. *points to the Halifax thingy in his info* view post


posted 08 Nov 2006, 04:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestion about the Tekne and soulled beings by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Short answer: It would be inherently soulless Slightly longer: Nothing says it may not, for some reason, end up with a soul. Scott's answer on the subject, which I'm too lazy to look for, can actually be interpreted in more than one way and has been. However the fact that things created by the Tekne are inherently soulless stands. Earwa has some key metaphysical concepts that make it different from our own world. Of course we've never cloned a human and scientifically we have no definition of the soul or whether one exists so real world rules and logic don't really apply :) view post


posted 10 Nov 2006, 00:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestion about the Tekne and soulled beings by Entropic_existence, Moderator

In my opinion, based on the musings of both Kelhus and Cnaiur on the nature of the Skin-Spies, there seems to be a distinction between consciousness and the soul. The Skin-Spies are self-aware, but they lack depth. To the casual observer there is no difference, but to people who see a little deeper and know what they are looking for there is a difference. view post


posted 11 Nov 2006, 00:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestion about the Tekne and soulled beings by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="anor277":3hnrmaop][quote="Entropic_existence":3hnrmaop]In my opinion, based on the musings of both Kelhus and Cnaiur on the nature of the Skin-Spies, there seems to be a distinction between consciousness and the soul. The Skin-Spies are self-aware, but they lack depth. To the casual observer there is no difference, but to people who see a little deeper and know what they are looking for there is a difference.[/quote:3hnrmaop] As far as I can recall, Kellhus and Moenghus did not discover the Skin Spies because of their soul or lack of it; it was by purely mundane means. Kellhus recognized the 1st skin spy he encountered (the Nansur emperor's vizier, I can't remember either name) by his facial musculature, (or lack of it). Kellhus opined that Moenghus uncovered the Cishaurim skin-spies thru discrepancies in their voices.[/quote:3hnrmaop] Yes, and I wasn't implying any differently. I was commenting on the reflections we have seen from Cnaiur and Kelhus on the skin-spies. The lack of depth observations of course are from Cnaiur when he is with the pack of them in TTT. view post


posted 19 Nov 2006, 20:11 in Author Q &amp; AAspect-Emperor status by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm sure we'll hear back from Scott one of these days :) view post


posted 26 Nov 2006, 19:11 in General AnnouncementsSpam by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Hey, yea sometimes I'm going to be away from the board for a few days to a week at a time when things get busy for me, but never fear I clean house when I come back. Unfortunately there was so much spam in the Off-Topic forum that I didn't bother going into individual threads to grab the spammers name for bannination I just went into my special moderation panel and selected all of the 0 reply spam threads and deleted them. Cleaning can be fun :) Especially when you nuke the spam from orbit view post


posted 04 Dec 2006, 13:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionConnected by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Scott readily admits his major inspirations and why there are obvious parallels between cultures/nations in the book and real historical examples. After all a rather large portion of it is inspired by Iron Men & Iron Saints. I think Scott said it is his favourite book concerning the Crusades and the Crusaders. view post


posted 04 Dec 2006, 13:12 in General AnnouncementsSpam by Entropic_existence, Moderator

All we really need is to have one of those "punch in the characters from the image" thing in the registration page. Would cut down on virtually all automated spam. Of course the real people spammers are harder to deal with. view post


posted 09 Dec 2006, 15:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionMovies by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I thought Casino Royal actually felt more like Bond to me than most of the other movies, definitely better than the Brosnan ones. It actually felt alot like the book Casino Royal in that this is how Bond becomes Bond. Very few of the actors who have played Bond in the past made you really feel like Bond was a cold-blooded killer, which he was. Sure he could be suave and sophisticated and had a taste for the finer things in life but underneath he was cold and cruel with a killer instinct. Bond wasn't so much a spy as a "trouble shooter". A blunt instruments who made the problems of the Crown go away. view post


posted 09 Dec 2006, 15:12 in Author Q &amp; ANeuropath by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Sounds about right, I know Scott's agent was shopping it around primarily as a screenplay. A combined book/movie deal would be pretty sweet I think for Scott. It would certainly pole-vault his status significantly. view post


posted 09 Dec 2006, 15:12 in Author Q &amp; AAspect-Emperor status by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think Scott had been talking all along of Aspect-Emperor being the name for the next series as opposed to the next book. Regardless I know we are all eagerly awaiting its eventual arrival. End of 2007/early 2008 (if the May 2008 UK date is accurate and it comes out here before that) would be outstanding. Erickson's next one comes out this spring and I am very excited about that as well. view post


posted 12 Dec 2006, 23:12 in Author Q &amp; ANeuropath by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Harrol":1zdd9r7z]Thanks Wert for the information. It would be great if Neuropath is made into a movie. I hope that it would set up the PON to be made into a movie.[/quote:1zdd9r7z] Neuropath, as a psycho-thriller is much more easily adapted to be a movie as opposed to the PON. And boy are some of the characters vulgar! view post


posted 15 Dec 2006, 15:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionHappy Holidays by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'll be headed home for the Holidays to spend it with my family and plan on eating a lot of good food and drinking. Thats what the holidays are for :) As a side note there is only dial-up internet access at my parent's house so even though I won't be super busy with my work I won't be logging on steadily over the holidays. view post


posted 16 Dec 2006, 17:12 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSkin-Spies have Souls by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Dexious":37p22b4x]This is a fairly old topic and most have probably moved on but here I go anyway. Perhaps the skin spy obtained a soul in a similar way a Wathi Doll does. The soul was somehow trapped in the skin spy. Maybe we should ask a Sansori witch. As for the rape of Esmenet, I read a reply from Mr. Bakker in another section of the forum and he stated that it was an illusion. The synthese used a spell making Esmenet believe she was having sex. Just another way the synthese can obtain information.[/quote:37p22b4x] Going by Scott's reply, as well as the context of the book, it appears that the Mandate Skin-Spy was merely an abberant. After all if it was a trapped soul in the same manner as a Wathi Doll the Consult should have been able to duplicate it, which they were apparently unable to do. view post


posted 09 Jan 2007, 20:01 in Off-Topic Discussionrelease dates by Entropic_existence, Moderator

As WP said last we heard on Neuropath it is mostly being shopped around to try and get a combined book and movie deal, meaning that it should be virtually ready for publication once a suitable deal is reached. Rumor has it that there is a great deal of interest. view post


posted 19 Jan 2007, 00:01 in Off-Topic Discussionrelease dates by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Inner_visions":2m1et4cn]That's awesome to hear. Bakker deserves the attention for Neuropath.[/quote:2m1et4cn] Indeed, the good thing will be that if Neuropath does become a movie and a book it may also help drive attention to this series by people who liked the movie /read the book. That can only be a good thing :) view post


A Song of Ice and Fire to Become TV Series posted 19 Jan 2007, 00:01 in Literature DiscussionA Song of Ice and Fire to Become TV Series by Entropic_existence, Moderator

So if you go here [url:2lw1sfom]http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=thud&id=8544[/url:2lw1sfom] You can read all about it. But Martin has sold the rights to HBO with the plan to have each book be an individual season, which is awesome because barring cancellation that means 7 seasons. The series is projected to be finished in 2011 at 7 books. view post


posted 19 Jan 2007, 00:01 in Author Q &amp; Aa follow on to prince of nothing? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Warrior-Poet":2cqplzff]That is a commom question, yes the story will be continued in the book The Aspect-Emperor and in one or two sequential books.[/quote:2cqplzff] To elaborate on that Aspect-Emperor is supposed to be either a duology or trilogy. So there will be plenty of new material coming from Scott in this series. view post


posted 19 Jan 2007, 22:01 in Literature DiscussionA Song of Ice and Fire to Become TV Series by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I doubt Martin will finish before 2011 either, but it depends. He has 3 books left to publish and one can only assume that Book 5 must be coming out relatively soon. Been over a year since Book 4 and what was supposed to be book 4 was split into 4 and 5 part way through the process of writing it. So 2 books in 3-4 years is doable. But Martin is almost as slow as Jordan so who knows. view post


posted 21 Jan 2007, 16:01 in Literature DiscussionA Song of Ice and Fire to Become TV Series by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Sovin Nai":1100162s]I think this is a very exciting development. But perhaps more important than the series itself is the potential impact it could have on TV. If ASOIAF is successful, as I'm betting it will be, a whole new world of television will have been started. Think of all of the series out there which would make fantastic episodic shows. Some of them might make for better viewing than reading. This is a big deal.[/quote:1100162s] I agree, and I find books of a more epic scope make better adaptations to TV than to movies because the time constraints aren't there. TV by its very nature has had to rely on similar pacing and character development styles as books tend to use which is good. The only difficulty that comes in is the ratings game and of course budgets. Apparently HBO has already cancelled Rome, a highly rated show just entering its second season, because production costs where insanely high. And we all know we would prefer the effects and sets of an epic fantasy series to be more like Rome and less like Xena... view post


Re: The Meaning of Life posted 21 Jan 2007, 16:01 in Philosophy DiscussionThe Meaning of Life by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="TheDarkness":1cbu7pak]The meaning of life is simple. It is written in a thousand expamples and magnified everyday. We see it everywhere and feel it tug at our souls. It is simple and easy to see. Our thoughts are complicated, our emotions cloud their meaning and significance. We are here for the same reason, we are connected to every other living organism. We are here to survive, we are here to pass on, we are here to relate. The past, the future, are we here to know such things to worry about such things? We have created civilization, but in turn we have ruined our rule. Our reign on this planet has been short and is miniscule compared to the reign of the reptiles before us. They were destroyed by and Asteroid that landed on the Yucatan peninsula, we will be destroyed of our own doing after a measley 400,000 years. Does our will or our intellect signify any great difference between us and any other great species? Is our soul unique and if so, how? We are suvivors, is there any intrinsic difference in us and the animals we evolved from?[/quote:1cbu7pak] The only thing that separates us from most animals is consciousness and self-awareness, and there are only so many other animslas out there that pass mirror tests the majority of the time. There are some interesting discussions about consciousness and whether it is really an advantage, after all it chews up tons of energy and has no real pay-off in terms of survival advantage. Tons of other issues surrounding it that I won't get in to. Suffice it to say that I don't believe in any intrinsic meaning to life, nor do I believe in the soul or anything like that. For me I make my own meaning. view post


Blindsight posted 24 Jan 2007, 01:01 in Literature DiscussionBlindsight by Entropic_existence, Moderator

For anyone out there who likes Sci-fi, and in particular what has come to be termed "hard" Sci-Fi recently I read Blindsight by Peter Watts (another Canadian author). I quite enjoyed it and the whole back appendix is references to peer-reviewed scholarly articles, mostly from Science and Nature, about some of the issues he explores. In his own words the novel, while fiction, was a way for him to explore some of these concepts coming out of neuro-science and evolution in a rather extreme way. I thoroughly enjoyed it although its pacing is pretty slow. Kind of one of those books that you can only read in small doses but still are hooked as to what is going on. I'd recommend it thoroughly. view post


posted 24 Jan 2007, 01:01 in Philosophy DiscussionThe Meaning of Life by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Peter":3lx8yoa7]Yeah, any meaning there is to life is unlikely to come from any facts about genetics or survival, because the meaning is likely going to be normative, something about how the word should be, whereas facts about genetics or survival will simply be descriptive. It is called the fact/value distinction. The fact that Tiddles the cat has fleas cannot, on its own inform us that Tiddles ought not to sit on the sofa, you need to have a normative premise (i.e. "Cats with flees [i:3lx8yoa7]ought[/i:3lx8yoa7] not to sit on sofas). The meaning of life is going to need reasons, and not just causes.[/quote:3lx8yoa7] Well my argument is that there is no intrinsic meaning to life, because life simply is.Unless of course you believe also in some sort of higher power, which I think predisposes people to want to attribute meaning. But we are human, and humans want to attribute meaning to everything. (Look how we apply human attributes to everything from pets to the weather) I find it amusing that this is my 666th post :) view post


posted 31 Jan 2007, 16:01 in Literature Discussionaspect emperor? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Nope, no release date as of yet that I know of. I think the target was for next year sometime but I'm not 100% sure on that. view post


posted 31 Jan 2007, 16:01 in Literature DiscussionWhy Bakker by Entropic_existence, Moderator

A few reasons, one is that the series has an edge. It is dark, gritty, etc, but not without hope and light as well. For a fantasy novel it is also realistic in the sense that Scott tries to portray a world that makes sense even though the fantastic exists the world is believable and real. He also writes amazing characters and the metaphysics and philosophy that he interjects makes it a nice thought provoking read. view post


posted 01 Feb 2007, 13:02 in The Warrior ProphetQuestion on Story Pacing In Trilogy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="U-Boat":221tb3op]Well yeah, the 2nd half of TTT made up for it- brilliant cliffhanger. I like deep stuff- I'm a huge fan of Wolfe, Dunsany, Eddison etc, I just didn't like the constant discussion of philosophy.[/quote:221tb3op] Philosophy is a very important aspect of Scott's books, he was persuing/has a PhD in philosophy after all. view post


posted 05 Feb 2007, 02:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Inchoroi and the Tusk by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm trying to read what the connections may have been. I know that we know that the Inchoroi gave Men Chorae during the time of the Tusk, not sure if they really where responsible for pushing its writing along or not. I've fogotten much in the last year. Need to do a re-read. view post


posted 05 Feb 2007, 02:02 in Author Q &amp; AThe next translations in french! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Scott hasn't been around on the boards since last spring so you aren't likely to get an answer from him anytime soon :) view post


posted 09 Feb 2007, 01:02 in Literature DiscussionA Song of Ice and Fire to Become TV Series by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="fixedMind":37wc629r]I think the potential for the adaptation of aSoIaF is high, groundbreaking even. Especially with Martin signed on as a producer/writer. My guess is that he would fight his hardest to make sure that his brainchild isn't distorted in the least. I am a HUGE fan of this series and will be holding my breath in anticipation until we see Lord Eddard give an earless man a taste of Ice.[/quote:37wc629r] The good thing about ASOIAF is that it doesn't need to be heavy on really nice special effects. There aren't big battles that use high powered magic (yea we see some magic but it isn't really handled the same way it is in many fantasy series). Eventually we have dragons to deal with though, but they are still relatively small at the moment so that makes it easier. view post


posted 13 Feb 2007, 16:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtNonmen Erratics by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It is rather simple really, has to do with the whole immortality thing as it discusses in the glossary of TTT I believe. view post


posted 13 Feb 2007, 16:02 in Author Q &amp; AThe Author's Education by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Unfortunately Scott hasn't been on the boards himself in almost a year now, since just before TTT came out. I know he has been busy with his Novel/Script Neuropath as well as the next series of books in the PoN world. view post


posted 15 Feb 2007, 20:02 in Literature DiscussionA Song of Ice and Fire to Become TV Series by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think the reason Rome is such an expensive show (with very little pretty special effects being needed) is the sets. They went all out to make them as nice as they could, and so they are feature film quality sets and thus expensive. As long as ASOIAF doesn't come across like Xena or something it should be good. view post


posted 15 Feb 2007, 21:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtChorae, Consults and Salts. (Or &quot;A Boy and His Bird) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I just felt I should post what we do know about Chorae and their making from the books. The Chorae where created by Nonmen who practiced the Aporos, which I assume branched off of Gnostic Sorcery but is distinct from it. Thus there are three types of Sorcery that we know of: Gnostic, Anagogic, and the Aporos. The Aporos does not rely on analogy like Anagogic sorcery, instead it turns on contradiction. Contradiction is the hinge of the Aporos which is why the Nonmen banned it, it was very, very different and very dangerous. One can think of Gnostic and Anagogic sorcery as being say like matter and the Aporos as being like anti-matter which is why they cancel one another out the way they do. The Aporos contradicts and thus nullifies sorcery. When the Aporos was banned the Consult took in the Nonmen practitioners and thus commissioned the creation of the Chorae. These details come from the books, the TTT glossary, and from Scott in the Q&A board. view post


posted 17 Feb 2007, 01:02 in Literature DiscussionA Song of Ice and Fire to Become TV Series by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Holsety":2u09xziw]The only HBO series I've really watched much of is [i:2u09xziw]The Wire[/i:2u09xziw]. It [i:2u09xziw]is[/i:2u09xziw] an incredible series, but I don't think it's much of an indication as to how well or poorly HBO will do, being focused on drugdealers and cops in Baltimore. But whatever. I feel like it won't turn out too bad.[/quote:2u09xziw] HBO is great in terms of the quality of their shows. Given their status as a non-network broadcaster they are also under far fewer constraints by the FCC as to what they can show. Look at Rome, nudity, blood, and gore all over the place. I'd like to see them do ASOIAF in the same vein. view post


posted 17 Feb 2007, 01:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtChorae, Consults and Salts. (Or &quot;A Boy and His Bird) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think the salt is just salt, Like has been said in the ancient world salt was a valuable commodity. Given the way Scott likes being as historically accurate as he can in a fantasy series that takes place in a different reality it wouldn't surprise me for that to be the angle. As to what happens to the Sorcerers my vote is on dead. The Aporos does the same thing to them as it does to sorcery, well sort of anyway, they are undone. Trapping them in the Chorae seems well, just doesn't seem like Scott's style to me. view post


posted 28 Mar 2007, 00:03 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]&quot;Murderous Children&quot; by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Remember that like in the real world Scott seems to have demonstrated that the abilities of the Dunyain are as much training as they are also their genetics. Genetics provides the potential, training builds that to be a weapon. I am sure a child of Kelhus who had suitable potential (and I think Moenghus likely has some potential at the least, Cnaiur himself certainly seemed to) would receive training... and be frightening indeed. It has also been 20 years, I am sure there are more than the two children. As for the Murderous comment... something tells me they are encouraged to struggle against both one another to practice their craft and to employ it in order to dominate the world born. view post


posted 26 Apr 2007, 16:04 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Unfortunately I haven't been around much the last few weeks and so missed this thread. Too bad because I am a graduate student doing work in Molecular Evolution so it is sort of my field. I tend to keep up with these matters quite dedicatedly. view post


posted 09 May 2007, 15:05 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Breaker of Horses and Men by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm also a big fan of Cnaiur, something about the character and the conflict. I'm hoping he will be in AE as well. view post


posted 14 May 2007, 21:05 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Since this is my area of expertise I'd like to point out that there is frequently a misconception that Evolutionary Theory implies the existence of life as a "random accident". The term random, at least the definition commonly used by the general public, is usually synonymous with the term "equi-probable', and usually it means that there are also no constraints. Everything covering one big uniform distribution from positive to negative infinity. When you hear the term random as it applies to evolutionary biology you need to remember you are talking random as it means in statistics, which does not mean equi-probable (although it can if the underlying distribution is a uniform one). Random here typically means that there is no intent or selection for a particular result at play but that randomness comes from an underlying stochastic (i.e. random) process that gives rise to a dsitribution. Distributions mean that certain outcomes are more probable to occur and that there are constraints on the types of outcomes one can expect to see. So as well as random having a slightly different, yet very important distinction, there are also selective forces and other evolutionary pressures that shape that random variation in terms of the outcome. It is undirected in terms of intent, but the rules of the physical universe do constrain the outcomes. The assertion that "Life has only been found on Earth, ergo Life on Earth is species" is of course a logical fallacy. We haven't even truly begun to really look for life elsewhere, even within our own solar system. Sure we are trying to detect signs of intelligent life, but even if advanced civilizations exist within a range that we can detect we may not detect them because we are only really looking for the types of signals that we have made that carry in to space. Our own transmissions are still currently only detectable by interested intelligent parties that exist within a certain radius of Earth. And of course that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface because life does not necessarily have to result in intelligence to exist elsewhere. We aren't sure one way or the other right now whether there is or ever was life on Mars. There are plans to do some looking on Europa at some point. And that is just within our own Solar system. No we cannot make any claims about life existing in the rest of the universe because we haven't even searched yet, at least not in an y truly meaningful way. The likelihood of life being out there is strong though, very strong. People are of course free to believe whatever they chose, and they can take any philosophical stance they want. But Evolution is one of the strongest and most robust theories in all of science and has weathered the test of time quite well so far. There will always be revisions, as there are to any scientific theory, that is the nature of science. Arguing against it from a philosophical standpoint , thats fine. We end up just having to agree to disagree at some point. Arguments made from probability are generally quite incorrect (and keep in mind that modern Evolutionary Biology is built on a very strong statistical framework). Today there is no scientific theory that can be offered up as an alternative. Only philosophical or religious ones. And thats fine, except when they try and pass themselves off as science. view post


posted 14 May 2007, 21:05 in Philosophy DiscussionIs the idea of a &quot;god&quot; inherent in our minds? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Evolutionary Psychology has had some pretty interesting things to say about religious belief in terms of either an emergent property or an evolutionary adaptation. Interesting theories abound about pattern recognition and the role it may play in making us naturally susceptible to belief in the supernatural which of course leads to spiritualism and eventually full fledged religions get built on top of that. Whether it is true or not is another matter but there is certainly some good evidence behind the notion, and some rather interesting lines of thought that have been followed there. view post


posted 17 May 2007, 12:05 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Aerek: Others have got here before me but I'm adding in my weight behind it as well. Even the major Creationist groups are now telling their followers not to use the argument from the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics anymore because it is simply not true, and a horrendous argument. Anyone who has studied much physical chemistry understands the principles of thermodynamics quite well, and most evolutionary biologists have taken at least a few courses over their training in areas that cover thermodynamics quite explicitly. As others have said the earth does receive a constant source of energy plus the equations, and the statement that everything tends towards disorder, is that everything tends towards disorder ultimately. Proteins in the body balance on a knife's edge in terms of stability as they fold into their three-dimensional shapes. They have to become ordered yet they do not actually violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics because the energy equations, when everything is factored in, are marginally in their favour. They also expel coordinated water atoms in to bulk water which increases the global entropy anyway. Keep in mind that eventually our planet will be no more, eventually our galaxy will be swallowed up in a collision lasting billions of years with our nearest neighbour, eventually the universe itself will collapse (probably).... As for the "just a theory" argument, generally it demonstrates a lack of understanding of how science operates. Which is understandable and I don't blame you for it. It gets repeated a lot, and the way science is often taught at the secondary level is often atrocious. Theories are as good as things get in science. The theories of Gravity, electromagnetism, etc are all scientific theories. Scientific Laws are not higher than theories in science, because they are two completely different things. Laws are like axioms, (like the Law of Conservation of Energy) and they are usually incorporated into larger theories. a Scientific Theory is as good as it gets in science and represents a model of our current understanding of how something works that fits the data. It is flexible enough that the theory can adapt and change overtime as new data becomes available and the theory becomes refined.. view post


posted 18 May 2007, 00:05 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Heh I've actually been considering doing a sort of "Evolution for Dummies" style book but I think waiting for awhile until I have established myself in the field may be a good idea. Be like a Layman's Introduction to Molecular Evolutionary Biology (I couldn't hope to touch paleontology and topics like that). Starting with alot of Physical Chemistry concepts and working my way up to show why larger systems exhibit the traits that they do. view post


posted 18 May 2007, 16:05 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Something tells me it will be a few years away. :) I'm not even through my first year of my Masters yet of course. view post


posted 28 May 2007, 18:05 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

While its true that we are not descended from the extant Great Apes (instead they are our evolutionary cousins) the rebuttal that "we aren't descended from apes" is itself slightly disingenuous. We would most likely classify the common ancestor we share with existing apes as a great ape itself. But then again I do get a little picky about these things :). view post


posted 30 May 2007, 11:05 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Jamara":xu0clz6a]Correction, all the great ape species as well as us are simians. We are not apes just closely related genetically. Apes possess no tails and oppossable "large toes". Humans possess no tails and no oppossable toes.[/quote:xu0clz6a] Nope, we are part of the Great Apes which is the family Hominidae. At one time they only had humans and our extinct ancestors in this family with the rest of the Great Apes in Pongidae. but that made the Great Apes a paraphyletic group (which we avoid in taxonomy). Some Anthropologists and most lay people still use this old definition but according to Biology Humans are Great Apes. view post


posted 04 Jun 2007, 15:06 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

As it stands right now a hominid refers to any member of the Family Hominidae which includes Humans and all of the Great Apes (Gorillas, Chimps, and Orangutauns) Obviously this classification has been in flux over the last several decades because well, some people still insist on humans being more special than we truly are biologically speaking. Which is all taxonomic classification is concerned with. There isn't a hard and fast classification rule right now (because it is in flux) but the most standard is based on genetic identity and how similar we are. This is also the method that is frequently used in microbial taxonomies. Morphological features aren't really the defining thing in taxonomy anymore, because they can be very misleading. view post


posted 06 Jun 2007, 21:06 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Jamara":19k566qh]Here's a question that has never been answered for me, and seeing as how you are taxonomically savy, we are Homo sapiens. That's taught is every middle school. But in the last few years I have read of us as Homo sapien sapien. Is this a true classification? And if so, why the the third disctinction?[/quote:19k566qh] IIRC it is just to denote modern Homo sapiens from archaic Homo sapiens. It isn't as big of a distinction as say between Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis (and as always there is debate there as to whether we are two separate species or merely sub-species) and is tied in to mostly just a change in robustness. Archaic Homo sapiens were more robust and were replaced by a more gracile form that become anatomically modern humans. Essentially you can refer to modern humans by either and both are correct. view post


posted 08 Jun 2007, 20:06 in Philosophy DiscussionEvolution vs Creation by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Randal":ifj25hb1]No. The Neanderthals came long after the Homo Habilis. They're much more closely related to us and much more advanced. My knowledge of this is pretty fuzzy. I seem to recall some theories saying modern homo sapiens replaced them after the ice ages, and other theories saying they interbred until the Neanderthal disappeared. But that may very well be outdated.[/quote:ifj25hb1] Whether Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis interbred is still a matter of debate. There isn't too much compelling evidence one way or the other yet. I think that it probably happened though, people tend not to be too picky about what they sleep with after all. Anyway both species (or sub-species depending on which side of that debate you fall on) co-existed in limited portions of the world for a brief (evolutionary speaking) amount of time. The Neanderthals where in Europe before modern Homo sapiens came out of Africa. But yea, I do molecular evolution so anthropology and human evolution isn't my strongest point. :) view post


posted 06 Jul 2007, 23:07 in Author Q &amp; ANeuropath out in May 2008 by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="shadow9d9":seu9yoea]I am curious as to why it has taken 2 years.. hope all is well.[/quote:seu9yoea] I'm thinking alot of it had to do with just shopping it around. I know that in the spring of Last year I think Scott said that the first draft was done at that point but his agent had high hopes of selling it as a script for a movie plus the novelization as opposed to just a book. Chances are that that process took a long time and from the sounds of it no studio opted for it, or at least not opted to turn it in to a movie right away but allowed the novel to go ahead or something. view post


posted 12 Jul 2007, 18:07 in Author Q &amp; AHow about a movie about Prince of Nothing? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="slh_2000":31d1kpcj]heh, which i'd still go see... :P[/quote:31d1kpcj] Most of us would, unfortunately no studio is going to pony up the money to do a movie that they know in advance will be NC-17 because then it isn't going to be picked up by the major theatre chains. I think even to get it down to an R rating done in a similar fashion to say 300 would require cutting a rather lot of the movie. I disagree on doing it completely CGI btw, CGI as an effect in otherwise live-action movies is getting so good now that a live action is possible for just about anything. I think you would end up having to compromise a lot to get a movie with major distribution out of the series unfortunately. Of course I would absolutely love to see it done right on the big screen in all its dark and majestic glory. view post


posted 16 Jul 2007, 16:07 in Author Q &amp; AHow about a movie about Prince of Nothing? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":2r3br5aw]Well, I'll hold off voting for a movie to be made of PoN for now. The themeatic subtext and background shading is just both too dense and subtle for a movie to encompass imo. Wait and see how the Stormbringer movie turns out first, if they can do a decent job on that then I would believe PoN was feasible - I really cant see a decent cut of that making it past test screenings though. (oh, and Moorcock is set to be fulling involved in script approvale etc for that) $1000 on the dude who played Morpheus in the Matrix getting Akka's role tho :( .[/quote:2r3br5aw] I mostly meant that no studio would support a movie ahead of time that in order to have the same theme and mood to the story would require an NC-17 rating, it just wouldn't happen, that goes for animated as well although to a lesser extent. It all boils down to movie chains not picking up anything rated above an R and so the movie studios are leery about funding anything that won't see a wide theatrical release. view post


posted 19 Jul 2007, 17:07 in Author Q &amp; AHow about a movie about Prince of Nothing? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":2u8eirei]I tend to agree. I'm hoping that Stormbringer proves the exception that breaks the rule - if it ends up getting made - cuz none of the fanbase would likely bother seeing it if it is watered down to less than an R rating...[/quote:2u8eirei] There is a plan for a Strombringer movie? I think I've read the first book in that series. Sounds familiar anyway. Been awhile since I read it, thats the one with the select few "Chosen" or whatever they were called who are freakishly strong and some are dedicated to a particular God and rule a Kingdom? I can't even recall any of the names from the book but I do remember that I enjoyed it. Didn't seem that twisted though just violent. view post


posted 19 Jul 2007, 17:07 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I happen to just believe that the idea of Creation is just a hold-over from certain beliefs that we as a species are just pre-disposed to believe, and before we can really look at and study the world in any meaningful way those explanations make the most sense. However if Creation were true I tend to think that the giant experiment idea is the most likely. I mean look at the types of experiments we do, and the really ambitious ones we would like to do. If we ever became sufficiently advanced technologically to create life for instance you know that we would. Imagine an immortal or nearly immortal species seeding life on a planet and just observing the result that came out, maybe to get a better understanding of how they themselves came to be. Of course if you think in terms of anthropomorhic supernatural deities instead of a natural species (like the Greek/Roman Gods, etc) you have different motivations but ultimately I think anything advanced/powerful enough would create just for the joy of creating (like an artist) or to study and observe (like a scientist) or a mix of both. view post


posted 10 Aug 2007, 15:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionYour First Time by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Like many others The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings when I was a kid. I think I read them both for the first time when I was in the 4th-5th grade or something (I think I read Jurassic Park, the book before it became a movie, which was also around the same age). I was hooked on fantasy from that point on. Sci-Fi and Fantasy novels have been my favourite form of fiction ever since. view post


posted 30 Aug 2007, 13:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionRome by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I got into the show just as the second season was starting and have them all downloaded. Absolutely loved the show. The only reason they ended after Season 2 was the sheer cost of the production. Huge movie quality sets, movie quality costume department, etc. Makes for a very expensive show. Personally I think both seasons are some of the best work that has come out of HBO and that is saying something given HBO's track record of producing some truly excellent TV. view post


posted 11 Sep 2007, 16:09 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Welcome by Entropic_existence, Moderator

We haven't been privy to any other information so I'm not sure which date is correct or whether one is a UK release date and the other is North American. view post


posted 17 Sep 2007, 11:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionJames Rigney aka Robert Jordan RIP by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Just came across this today, very sad. view post


I'm Back.... posted 27 Jan 2009, 19:01 in WelcomesI'm Back.... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Hello folks, I've been away from the board for quite some time, probably over a year now. Mostly due to my PhD work. With the release of the Judging Eye (I'm almost finished now) I have roused myself from slumber to totter back to the board. A thank you (and apology) to all those who picked up the slack of clearning spam and such while I was laxing in my Moderator duties. I hope to be quite active in the board once again, although I am still quite busy with my research so I will not be able to come here every day :) Anyway just wanted to say hi to all the new faces and to the old. view post


Re: I'm Back.... posted 28 Jan 2009, 19:01 in WelcomesI'm Back.... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Very funny :) view post


Re: *Spoilers* The gods must be crazy posted 28 Jan 2009, 19:01 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* The gods must be crazy by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":2vineq6b]I agree. The Judging eye itself blew me away. No way I was expecting this kind of thaumaturgical magic after PoN took such pains to avoid it. But in retrospect it seems logical. As you say regarding the damnation, it seems to reveal things that have a critical level of belief. It doesn't seem to indicate any extremes with neutral/mundane objects (i.e. trees, donkeys etc). I would postulate a combination of duration and mass of belief (if such a metaphor is possible). *off topic* I'm so glad I grew a little chin-stroker beard before I read this book. :P[/quote:2vineq6b] I have to admit that the book threw me for a loop a few times this way. It turned how I thought Earwa worked completely upside down. I was so used to the Gods being more Abstract in PoN and expected it to remain that the focus of this book would be more straightofrward in the New Empire versus the Consult with some machination by a third party going on in the background, perhaps the Dunyain. Having the Gods appear to be real, active, and distinct in such an "in your face way" was interesting to say the least. view post


Chorae (SPOILERS!!!!) posted 28 Jan 2009, 20:01 in The Judging EyeChorae (SPOILERS!!!!) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

So I haven't seen a post on this yet, although I thought it was perhaps one of the most interesting things in the book and that is Mimara and whatever she did with the Chorae. She is one of the Few but not yet tainted with the Mark, which is why she can still handle Chorae. But she did [i:16borwfd]something[/i:16borwfd] with her chorae that we have never seen before. She metaphysically passed through it's contradictiont to "the other side" and sees it now as some sort of "holy light" as opposed to the void/absence she saw them as before (as the Few always do). And she used her Chorae to ward off the Wight-in-the-mountain/Hell. That whole aspect of the book got me thinking about the Aporos and the rogue Nonmen who used Aporetic sorcery to make them. I wonder if Minara, untrained but highly intelligent as she is, is somehow stumbling upon unlocking something tied to Aporetic sorcery or whether it is more of a "Divine" influence. view post


Re: Chorae (SPOILERS!!!!) posted 29 Jan 2009, 14:01 in The Judging EyeChorae (SPOILERS!!!!) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Curethan":3u6u9y2i]Well, you know - the damned couldn't aprehend it as holy cuz they're, well, damned eh? So I guess that could be the contradiction involved in aporetic sorcery. The creation of something holy with sorcery? God's tears.... heh, cool. But I don't think Mimara warded so much as placated. "Who guards the gates?" That whole last scene was pretty awesome, I think I shall reread it.[/quote:3u6u9y2i] Yes the whole thing about the "Gates being unguarded" I thought was rather interesting. As always with Scott I suspect some deeper subtect going on there. And indeed perhaps the Damned can't perceive the Chorae as holy because they are Damned BUT remember that the Thousand Temples has always employed that order composed of the Few who were not sorcerors. So I suspect that Mimara did something extraordinary in her perusal of the Chorae. She did after all, manage to fight through it's contradiction to "the other side." view post


Re: Chorae (SPOILERS!!!!) posted 30 Jan 2009, 14:01 in The Judging EyeChorae (SPOILERS!!!!) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Chirios":1t9u3prf]It doesn't make any sense to have the Chorae as actual tears of god though. The Chorae first appeared during the Nonmen - Inchoroi war; why would the God create weapons to destroy the only link they have to the world?[/quote:1t9u3prf] I have a feeling we shall learn more in The Great Ordeal about Aporetic Sorcery as well as the more Divine aspects of Earwa's Metaphysics. I, personally, don't see them as literal Tears of God, they were created by Sorcery after all. But there could be some sort of connection to the Outside and the 100. The 100 don't exactly appear to like Sorcery. view post


Re: Chorae (SPOILERS!!!!) posted 30 Jan 2009, 14:01 in The Judging EyeChorae (SPOILERS!!!!) by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="last_inchoroi":3dq2ldtr]I've also found the chorae to be one of the cooler aspects of Earwa...another way Scott takes something standard and adds a unique twist to it. I'm insanely excited to see what more Mimara can do further with the Chorae, and what Achamian has to say about it...I always love his dissertations that do so much to expand on Scott's lore...there are never enough though. :([/quote:3dq2ldtr] Indeed. I love Achamian's lectures on Sorcery and Metaphysics, they are some of my favourite parts of the series. view post


Re: Kellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- posted 30 Jan 2009, 14:01 in The Judging EyeKellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Chirios":2imzyxop]We are of course; ignoring the possibility that Psatma Nannaferi is completely insane. Just wanted to throw that out there.[/quote:2imzyxop] True, but there is too much the corroborates the "intervention" of the Outside. She isn't a Sorceror (handles Chorae) yet the whole eyes going red thing and seeing through the Sorcery of the Witch was pretty impressive and the "baptism" of the White-Luck Warrior as well as what was going on with Sorweel all seem to speak to someone's direct intervention (Yatwer or in Yatwer's name anyway). I have a feeling POV's from Kellhus will be lacking or non-existant in The Great Ordeal, he is going to be, like the Inchoroi and some other major figures in the previous trilogy, be more in the background while others shoulder the burden of being the POV characters. Kellhus is just "too big" for it now. I also found it interesting that the Whiteluck Warrior has Scylvendi blood in his family tree. It should be interesting to see what happens. I also wonder if Kelhus actually went "Outside" or if those demon heads are ones he killed here in Earwa. Did he only kill one or two at the end of TTT? I can't recall. view post


Re: Kellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- posted 03 Feb 2009, 04:02 in The Judging EyeKellhus vs Whiteluck -&lt;SPOILERS&gt;- by Entropic_existence, Moderator

[quote="Cynical Cat":kkzviukh]Having Demon heads on his belt doesn't mean Kelhus has been Outside.[/quote:kkzviukh] Which was my point. I should go back and look at the end of TTT to see if we saw what happened to a Demon after it was killed in Earwa. view post


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