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posted 27 Dec 2004, 04:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow Reading... by Annabel, Peralogue

Currently reading (in bits and pieces depending on how the spirit moves me): Lucky Jim - Martin Amis Prayer of the Night Shepherd - Phil Rickman Monument - Ian Graham King Rat - China Mieville I am thoroughly enjoying everything by Phil Rickman. For those of you who want to read a supernatural, thriller/mystery set in the isolated British countryside and featuring a chain-smoking, ex-punk, female Anglican vicar/exorcist (with new-age but sarcastic and clever teenage daughter), try Rickman. The series explores everything from ley lines to possession. And, if you enjoyed the Wicker Man, you have to read at least the first book. view post

posted 27 Dec 2004, 05:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionYour top 5 fantasy series... by Annabel, Peralogue

Top Epic? Gosh, that is difficult. Here goes (sort of in order): 1. Tolkien - Lord of the Rings (How could it be anyone else??) 2. Guy Gavriel Kay (Fionavar Tapestry (Did you cry? I did. Though I was young when I read it. Kay's the big romantic on this list.) 3. Frank Herbert (Dune series. Yeah - I wanna be a Bene Gesserit!) 4. Robert Jordan (Wheel of Time. But, will he finish in time??) 5. David Gemmell (Rigante Series. They should have had Gemmell write the script to Gladiator - maybe then it wouldn't have sucked so bad.) And, some others who come so close: Orson Scott Card's Ender series (Does that count as epic? It must by the time we get to Speaker for the Dead); Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel trilogy, R.A. Salvatore and Michael Moorcock's Elric saga. Oh, and I have to throw this in though its not epic - Jan Siegel's Fern Capel series (all the other girl's out there - grab Prospero's Children, the Witch Queen and Dragon Charmer now!) And, in my opinion, Carey's not too girlie (of course, I am a girl). My brother in law claimed there was far too much talk/sex in it for a fantasy epic. However, the characters are memorable and engaging and the world that Carey creates is unique and pretty much unforgettable. She pushes the boundaries of the genre and I liked that. If you want to read something a bit more conventional by the same author, try her new Banewreaker series. view post

posted 27 Dec 2004, 05:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by Annabel, Peralogue

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posted 27 Dec 2004, 05:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionHerodotus' The History by Annabel, Peralogue

I read Herodotus years ago. I remember enjoying it. I also seem to recall the big lesson was this - governments and societal forms are going through a constant and inevitable evolution/devolution and that each "ideal" form of political organization has a devolved and less desirable form. Monarchies versus tyrranies, aristocracies versus oligarchies, democracy versus the rule of the mob. That's Herodotus, right? Runs counter to Hegelian thought when you think of it. view post

Okay - I just have to ask posted 27 Dec 2004, 05:12 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Annabel, Peralogue

Scott: I really enjoyed TDTCB (haven't read the Warrior Prophet yet) but why are both of the main female characters exploited for their sex? This is not a moral judgment or anything in that realm. Frankly, as a female sci-fi fantasy reader, I'm just happy when there are some female characters who have something interesting to do in the novel. But, I can't help but ask - a whore and a concubine. Will there be any female schoolmen (yeah, that's kinda oxymoronic) in future novels? Thanks! view post

posted 27 Dec 2004, 05:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionAges by Annabel, Peralogue

32. As for you AJDeath, I'm glad you're still alive. Its no joking matter. Stay that way, please. view post

posted 27 Dec 2004, 06:12 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Annabel, Peralogue

I loved the emperor. Scheming, self-aggrandizing, suspicious, insecure, capricious and altogether human. He's the most fun. I love the part when he gets shit on by birds and throws a snit fit. I also liked Esmenet. She's definitely the most sympathetic character in the book. I keep hoping things will get better for her. view post

posted 27 Dec 2004, 16:12 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Annabel, Peralogue

Okay. I will try to purchase the Warrior Prophet today. I understand what you were trying to do and, frankly, I think you do a good job of fleshing out Esmenet's despair/hope about her rather brutal circumstances (you make her a real person). Even her mercenary ambivalence in staying with Sarcellus for a while is understandable. However, I could not resist raising the point. And, here's how much I got wrapped up in the story! I really wanted to cheer for Esme when she gets out of Dodge and tries to find Akka to warn him. Finally, an active decision instead of her remaining beaten down by circumstances (even if the proximate impetus was a run-in with the Consult). As for Serwe, she's so delusional but I am hoping she'll wise up in TWP. If not, does she get whacked by the skin spies?? :wink: Keep writing and we'll all keep reading! Thank you, thank you for your efforts. - Annabel view post

Ian Graham's Monument posted 27 Dec 2004, 16:12 in Literature DiscussionIan Graham's Monument by Annabel, Peralogue

Okay so I just finished this book. I picked it up because David Gemmell recommended it as one of the best in 2004. Hmmm. Maybe . . but only because it really pushed how anti a hero can get before making the reader drop the book. The writing was gritty and fast-paced and the hero was definitely an original. But, certain plot devices (or surprises) kind of ticked me off. Anyone out there read it? And, what did you think of the final denouement? view post

posted 27 Dec 2004, 16:12 in Author Q & AThis time I got a question... by Annabel, Peralogue

I know next to nothing about publishing but I think you need more press in the USA. Most of your interview/signing dates seemed to be in Canada. Do you ever get down to the lower 50?? Also, here's how I find new sci-fi fantasy to read. Easiest way - I find a book I like on Barnes & Noble or Amazon and then I see what other readers of the same book enjoyed. Or, I pop onto a favorite author's site and see what they recommend. Here's a sneaky suggestion (thinking like the Consult, ahh!) - why not have your fans on this site infiltrate other really popular authors' discussion boards and lavish loads of hyperbolic praise on your books. The really active sites like, oh, the Jacqueline Carey site or, mebbe, Bright Weavings (the Guy Gavriel Kay site). view post

posted 27 Dec 2004, 17:12 in Author Q & AThis time I got a question... by Annabel, Peralogue

Going back and reading all the posts, yeah, Scott, maybe you should hire a personal trainer and do some beauty shots for ads/back of novels. Part of the reason I keep reading Mieville is because the man's a hottie (the bald head, the muscle tees, the tight jeans, the tattoos, the British accent - c'mon, is he REALLY the author?). And I always thought that Gavriel Kay's books would do so much better if he just posed with G-string on the back of the novels instead of those tweedy, patch-elbowed jackets. view post

posted 27 Dec 2004, 18:12 in Literature DiscussionWhat would you say are the must-reads of literature? by Annabel, Peralogue

Oops. The above post is me, Annabel. I posted without logging on - didn't know you could do that. And, is anyone out there?? This board's slow as molasses. Sorta feel like I'm playing the sandbox by myself. :( view post

posted 29 Dec 2004, 00:12 in Author Q & AThis time I got a question... by Annabel, Peralogue

Agreed, Painbird, with SOME of the above. Actually, I think that the media, the press and the publishers underestimate the sophistication levels of the general populace. How else do you account for the international success of writers like Eco? He even got a movie starring Sean Connery. Or the success of the Passion of the Christ - it was in Aramaic for god's sake. Its not the level of taste that is the problem, its laziness. Americans are slothful - we like to have our culture spoon fed to us through mega-bookstores, chain record stores and the telly. And, bright sparkly things entrance us - we gravitate to those big, colorful ads, displays, etc. However, most people know good stuff when they see it and will spend the $$$ for it. For most fantasy fiction, frankly, it ain't Hegel or nuclear physics and, as with all good fiction, there is always engaging human drama. So, I just don't understand publishing. Can anyone enlighten me as to the underlying economics which are driving publishers to take fewer and fewer risks on new authors? view post

posted 29 Dec 2004, 04:12 in Author Q & AThis time I got a question... by Annabel, Peralogue

Painbird. Uh uh. You aren't being unfair to pop music. You are being too kind. 99% of the music MTV and the top 100 is manufactured SHITE. Really, its quite remarkable. Rythmically and melodically redundant, boring and derivative. Lyrically devoid of any real meaning or resonance with human experience. Most of the singing barely mediocre. Geez, its not even funny. [As an aside, I think the downward trend started in the 80's when the criteria for musical success was, like, really cool hair. Think Flock of Seagulls or glam metal.] Actually, I guess some of it is funny - inadvertently. I actually listened to the entire Country Grammar cd by popular artist, Nelly, and I had a stitch in my side by the end of it. All the "bitches" and "ho's" and "f--- this" and "f--- that" was just so relentless - I thought "what an outrageous satire". Unfortunately, I think it was not meant that way. [I suppose, in the end - if its got a good beat and you can dance to it . . . I will admit I've boogied down to some really bad music.] Anyway, we should probably start a new thread - we can call it the "Luddites Bitch Here" thread. view post

posted 29 Dec 2004, 04:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by Annabel, Peralogue

Hey! I saw Yngwe at a G3 concert this year. Not bad. But, if you like the guitar gods, Steve Vai is a virtuoso (and I don't use the word lightly). The guitar's an extension of the man's body. Hrrm. Maybe not body but mind - e.g., if he can imagine it on the guitar, he can do it. view post

And now for something totally idiotic - BK v McDonalds posted 29 Dec 2004, 04:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionAnd now for something totally idiotic - BK v McDonalds by Annabel, Peralogue

Mickie D's for me because the coffee goes down, in the words of Umberto Eco (see How to Travel with a Salmon) like "mountain springwater". Oh, and the apple pie. Yummy. And, because you can get that really weird Quebecois gravy stuff on your fries. view post

posted 29 Dec 2004, 04:12 in Writing TipsI think I've bitten off more than I can chew . . . by Annabel, Peralogue

TakLoufer: Hi! I am responding because, well, this board is just SO quiet. I don't know of a good map program but I'm sure you can find this out on the web. As for good history books, below is a link to what, in my humble opinion, is one of the best academic bookstores in the world. You can search by subject. Good luck with your writing! Sounds like a mighty endeavor. But, don't forget to actually put words on paper in the midst of all your research. Annabel view post

posted 29 Dec 2004, 04:12 in Literature DiscussionWhat subgroup of speculative fiction do you prefer? by Annabel, Peralogue

Speculative fiction? How about the stock market reports or the weather channel. But, seriously, I like graphic novels from time to time. Alan Moore's series for The Swamp Thing and From Hell - brilliant. The Invisibles. The Watchman. V for Vendetta. And currently Hellboy just because the drawing is amazing. If anyone has any suggestions for good graphic novels, let me know! What I am really waiting for is for Kirkland to come out with another InHumans series - the first was just great popcorn drama. view post

posted 03 Jan 2005, 01:01 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by Annabel, Peralogue

To be honest, I'm not really a guitar god fan! However, I can listen to anything and appreciate it if its well done. The only thing I can't take much of is country music. All they ever sing about is how they're women left them, drinking and driving trucks. view post

Tim Waggoner posted 06 Jan 2005, 00:01 in Literature DiscussionTim Waggoner by Annabel, Peralogue

I guess no one's read Monument so has anyone ever read Tim Waggoner? I picked up a horror novel called "Like Death" by the fellow. So far, its good scary stuff. Think of Neil Gaiman but MUCH more disturbed and graphic. I think I like him. I've heard he also writes sci-fi. view post

posted 11 Jan 2005, 23:01 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Annabel, Peralogue

So I just finished TWP -- Wow! Serwe DOES get whacked by the skin spies at the end. But, I felt sorry for her by that point. Poor, stupid, misguided Serwe. :cry: But I guess that's where blind and unquestionning faith gets you in the end, oh and depending on a MAN to make everything right in your world. :wink: view post

posted 13 Jan 2005, 19:01 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Annabel, Peralogue

Actually, I get the point. Kellhus is the central figure of the books but by the end of the TWP his motivations remain a mystery (though you give us clues). Is he good? Is he bad? Does it matter? I like that. His character is like a rorschach test for the other folks in the story. I'm waiting to see how the differing personality types end up in relation to our man of mystery. What we do know of Kellhus through the end of TWP - Serwe is his polar opposite. He is opaque. She is completely transparent. He "rationalizes". She "believes". He leads. She follows. This recapitulates so many gender stereotypes - I can only assume you meant to do this? (And, then there's poor Cnaiur. He's the self-aware slave - the weeping gorilla. He was happier - and sane - when he remained an ignorant barbarian. What does it imply that he has been "used" like a woman?) Another angle (non-feminista) -- Serwe and Kellhus's relationship represents the eternal battle between reason and faith. Seems like the Logos is winning. But, is there a hint of human emotion from Kellhus as he hangs tied to Serwe's rotting corpse? Is her death going to affect him more than Kellhus can foresee in the end? Will Kellhus come to some enlightenment concerning the limitations of human rationality? Of course, I don't expect you to answer any of these questions!! IMHO that's not your job. Hmm, reconsidering, maybe you are supposed to answer these questions in the next novel?? You've packed the story with wonderful questions, controversies and ambiguities -- terrific! Can't wait for the final installment. Write faster! :wink: view post

posted 13 Jan 2005, 22:01 in Off-Topic DiscussionSex by Annabel, Peralogue

Female here - one of the few apparently. Now, why is that?? view post

posted 13 Jan 2005, 22:01 in Off-Topic DiscussionAnd now for something totally idiotic - BK v McDonalds by Annabel, Peralogue

Any of you from Quebec -- what are those funky french fries with gravy called?? view post

posted 14 Jan 2005, 22:01 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Annabel, Peralogue

Yes, we are all a little bit evil and a little bit good. And a little bit country and a little bit rock and roll . . . Hrrm, Arendt (Banality of Evil) showed this so very well. Are we really any more enlightened or civilized in the real world than the brutal world depicted in TDTCB or TWP? Are orphans being kidnapped in the wake of the tsunami and being sold into sexual slavery? Did the U.S. really invade another country and kill thousands with no (okay overt) provocation? Civilization is a thin veneer and truth is often stranger than fiction. view post

posted 25 Jan 2005, 02:01 in Author Q & AThis time I got a question... by Annabel, Peralogue

Painbird - a very late reply to your last post. I don't know - sometimes, yes, I think that modern rap and pop stars are slaughtering the English language. Why can't they rap in proper English? Then, I think - that sounds really silly? Am I being really uptight? After all, good old Bill Shakespeare made up words left and right and spelled words differently from poem to play. I suppose English was more "in flux" at that time but maybe that "flux" is what spurred an artist like Shakespeare to bend and mold the verse into interesting new forms. Not that Nelly is Shakespeare -but just another viewpoint. I, like you, tend to get cranky about things like this - I fight the urge to be curmudgeon daily. view post

posted 25 Jan 2005, 02:01 in Author Q & AThis time I got a question... by Annabel, Peralogue

Maybe our favorite author should write The Thousandfold Thought in rhymes. Maybe Cnaiur could start up with a little gangsta rap at the start of every meeting of the great names. view post

posted 28 Jan 2005, 19:01 in Author Q & AThis time I got a question... by Annabel, Peralogue

Not so very wrong? Do you mean just a little bit wrong but mostly right? You sounds just like me, White Lord! (sigh) Am I virtuous or a vacillating fence sitter? Does seeing both sides all the time result in wisdom and broad-mindedness or a harmful paralysis? Sheesh -- I can't decide! view post

posted 28 Jan 2005, 20:01 in Literature DiscussionWhat would you say are the must-reads of literature? by Annabel, Peralogue

Univeristy approach? view post

posted 31 Jan 2005, 18:01 in Author Q & AThis time I got a question... by Annabel, Peralogue

Faelcind - Absolutely in agreement with you. To draw an analogy to sci-fi and fantasy (and bring it round to the theme of this particular board), Tolkein spawned generations of derivative work which, frankly, became progressively formulaic and unimaginative. Too bad for readers, like us, and all the more reason to applaud Scott Bakker for putting some originals twists and ideas in a (nearly) exhausted genre. Or others like Guy Gavriel Kay who write so feelingly of human experience that old stories become new and fresh again. view post

Denver posted 31 Jan 2005, 18:01 in Tour and Signing InformationDenver by Annabel, Peralogue

Scott: Will you come to Denver on tour when the Thousandfold Thought comes out? I'd be there with bells on if you do! I have a suggestion for you - ask your publisher and/or publicist to see if you could give a talk at the Tattered Cover - Denver's much-beloved independent bookstore. Another suggestion for your publisher/publicist for touring is 57th Street Books in Chicago (in Hyde Park - home of my alma mater). As for NYC, I think your best bet for lots of exposure is that publishing megalith - Barnes and Noble - but specifically the one located in Union Square. I hope that you do tour soon - either independently or by going to one of those sci-fi/fantasy con events. I can't say that I've ever been to one but I hear its great exposure to acquire new fans. Hope you are well. view post

posted 31 Jan 2005, 19:01 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Annabel, Peralogue

Just as brutal but better managed. What a frightening thought! Indeed, I bet those slavery rings are exceptionally organized. And, hey, we can destroy the world instantly with this incredibly efficient high-tech missile system we developed here in the U.S. I guess its a sign of the times - we value efficiency, economy and scientific/economic progress over things like, oh, reflecting on the human soul, social values, etc. Jumping off on that point (and maybe this should be on another part of the board), but do you think humans can improve large scale? Or will we be monkeys forever? Forever and ever having to relearn things like toleration and how to live together peacably with each generation (despite what all the scholars, philosophers and poets have written). I'm afraid for me that the answer is no, I don't think humans improve. Individually maybe but we just seem to get really nasty in groups - nation-states, religions, social clubs, high school cliques, soccer fan clubs - whatever kind you want to mention. Its actually a very weird thing - the wisdom of the ages is available to all - but we don't bother with it. Or, for those of who try, we're so retarded that we'll pick up a book by Aristotle or whomever and, by the time we get to the end, we forget what was written in the first few chapters! And, even if someone has the intelligence and memory to slog through it, who knows? Maybe you end up with a Machiavelli - he was awfully well educated. Intelligence is not wisdom is not morality. (Which of course, you illustrate in your book by Kellhus character. See, I'm not on too crazed a tangent). view post

posted 31 Jan 2005, 19:01 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Annabel, Peralogue

Yes. And I cannot defend it. Faith is anathema to logic and vice versa. Although I suppose Kierkegaard does a pretty rational job of defending religious belief and values. view post

posted 01 Feb 2005, 16:02 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Annabel, Peralogue

I'm a leftie too. Go green - yeah! One day soon we'll have no option except to go green. As for pessimism, whenever philosophical discussions wander too far into the dark, I just stop and go shopping. Okay maybe that only works for girls - its the gathering thing we females perfected when we lived in technologically backwards mini-communities. Except that I prefer to gather overpriced high heels instead of nuts and berries. view post

Top 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan posted 01 Feb 2005, 16:02 in Off-Topic DiscussionTop 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan by Annabel, Peralogue

OK - I'll start. Hope I don't offend. 1. You believe that when noone's looking, the faces of George Bush and Dick Cheney unfold like weird, fleshy spiders and scurry to hide under the White House bushes. view post

posted 02 Feb 2005, 19:02 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Annabel, Peralogue

Free shoes? Sounds like my kinda apocalypse. Supposing there are survivors, I could stand the end of the world as we know it as long as I'm well-shod. Stilettos make you more physically imposing, double as weapons and in desperation you can eat them (I swear, you can learn to run in them too with practice). Ditto for steel-toed combat boots. Start the new thread, please. It sounds provoking . . . view post

posted 03 Feb 2005, 16:02 in Philosophy DiscussionAMERICAN POLITICS... by Annabel, Peralogue

Thanks, Will - I was thinking the same thing. Okay, let the neo-cons reap what they sow -- BUT can our young republic absorb the blow? The creepiest and most disturbing trend in American politics for me -- the rise of the religious right. Its going to be the end of us if it continues. view post

posted 03 Feb 2005, 23:02 in Philosophy DiscussionAMERICAN POLITICS... by Annabel, Peralogue

I have to pipe in again (can you tell I haven't been busy at work today!). I ask, as far as a trend to the right, what are the likely explanations? The problem with labels such as "liberal" and "green" or "conservative" is that they they aren't terribly helpful in analyzing the question. In my opinion, the Democrats' biggest problem over the last few decades is that they lost the South. The southern states were traditionally democratic, supportive of more socialist government policies, etc. It begs the question (did I really use that tired old phrase? sorry, too much law school), what does it mean to be a Southern democrat or, in contrast, a West Coast republican? The socially conservative Southern dems have been "frightened" by topics such as legalizing abortion and gay marriage - so scared they ran right into the conservatives' waiting arms. However, most California repblicans tend to be open-minded on the same issues. I guess my point is that if the Democrats are gonna win back converts, they need to somehow re-focus campaign issues on "uniting" Democratic issues and keep it there. Does that alienate some current Dems? Frankly, yeah, it sure does. But, just as frankly, they got nowhere else to go. Except for forming their own party. And, that would NOT be a bad thing for politics in the U.S. - we need more parties than just the Dems and the Republicans. A whole different issue to me is the sticky morass of America's relationship to the world at large (e.g. international relations) where our president has an incredibly broad mandate and Congress is unlikely to seize back some form of control any time soon. [Can we separate? My prior para. is about government's relationship with the governed. This para. is about government's relationship with other governments]. The average American spends too little time thinking about our relation with the rest of the world. Why is that when we are the last "super power"? Are we the world's police-man (a role that's primed for abuse)? Are we crusaders bringing the light of democracy to the oppressed masses? How do we balance national safety against the masses of dead (and why the hell is it always the brown people we bomb?????) and amount of damage done in Iraq and Afghanistan? Was it worth it? Even if you don't like the ugly jingoism and pyschotic religious fervor the neo-cons have stirred up in order to garner support for U.S. actions in Iraq, well, these questions still exist. They sound awful cold, I know. But I think its because most Americans had NOT thought about these issues pre 9/11 that the majority got scared shitless and capitulated bonelessly to - oh - the current administration's curtailing our rights, broadening government powers to investigate your library books (my God, why didn't the federalists vote for Nader or Kerry based on this alone?), detaining aliens and illegal immigrants without due process of law, bombing more brown people, etc., etc., etc. The rights we have in this country - they were paid for in blood, lots and lots of blood and death. How can we cede them so easily? Grrr. Arrgh. Time to go stick pins in my Karl Rove dolly. Sometimes the little thing comes to life, at which point, I like to make it go pound salt for a few hours. view post

posted 03 Feb 2005, 23:02 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Annabel, Peralogue

Well, Mith, you just had to ask . . . guess that's the name of the thread. Hmmm. I suppose you would cut off all the metal bits. Definitely boil the leather for a few hours until all the tannin came out . . . Toss in a teaspoon of black sesame seeds, oh, some shallots, some bok choy and a little love oil, stir and stir AND . . . yes, I know it, I'm totally full of crap. [Sigh] So, I can't have free shoes after the Apocalypse? Scott? As for most women being obsessed with shoes (heels in particular), Mith, umm, HELLO! Yes, we are all obsessed with shoes. Even those of us who aren't clothes-conscious. Patiently take a women shoe-shopping, give a reasonable opinion, insist that she buy the sexiest pair of heels in the place and you'll win her heart (or at least another date to wear those heels). They are like babies to women - its sick. I equate it to the male obsession with speed and cars. view post

posted 04 Feb 2005, 02:02 in Author Q & AOkay - I just have to ask by Annabel, Peralogue

You would have to face them. Shoes are important. To illustrate - in TDTCB, Esme hits the road to find Akka. Esme breaks her sandal. Esme ends up sleeping with a Consult member. That's what happens when you only have one pair to your name. :wink: view post

Is Education the Magic Bullet? posted 04 Feb 2005, 22:02 in Philosophy DiscussionIs Education the Magic Bullet? by Annabel, Peralogue

This particular question/issue/topic has been hinted at in and around the board. Do you think that education is the answer to all of our social ills? Can it cure racism and intolerance and make people into better human beings? view post

posted 07 Feb 2005, 16:02 in Philosophy DiscussionIs Education the Magic Bullet? by Annabel, Peralogue

Will and H, such a good discussion above! I submit a few historical examples for your consideration. I don't intend to be inflammatory but am just hoping to facilitate what is shaping up as a good debate in this board. Okay, so in the below examples, I think there is an argument that ongoing "education" (through books, propaganda, etc.) helped these movements to succeed. There is also a good argument that all the education, discussion and literature would have gotten these movements nowhere without the bravery and sacrifice of many individuals. If not culture, if not education, what motivated these folks? 1. The U.S. Civil Rights Movement. 2. The Indian independence movement (e.g., Mahatma Gandhi - an intellectual who DID manage to wag the dog). [I feel like Charlie Rose :wink: ]. view post

posted 09 Feb 2005, 16:02 in Off-Topic DiscussionTop 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan by Annabel, Peralogue

Funny! Here's 3 and 4. 3. You start "marking" your arms every time you beat your friends at Scrabble. view post

posted 09 Feb 2005, 16:02 in Philosophy DiscussionWhat introduced you to philosophy? by Annabel, Peralogue

A handful of really great teachers but most notably Joseph Cropsey (I was lucky to catch him before he retired) and the late, great Allan Bloom. Also some engaging and intelligent classmates. view post

A Conception of Virtue posted 15 Feb 2005, 22:02 in Author Q & AA Conception of Virtue by Annabel, Peralogue

Poking around on the other threads, here's a question which popped into my head - do the Scylvendi have a conception of heaven and, if so, how do you get in? Ditto for the Dunyain. view post

posted 23 Feb 2005, 18:02 in Author Q & AA Conception of Virtue by Annabel, Peralogue

Okay, so if they believe in the Outside but that they can't get into the Outside (hm) because Lokung's dead, then they believe in souls no? So, where do their souls go after they die? Does it mean they all go to Scylvendi hell? If so, no wonder Cnaiur's always so surly. view post

posted 23 Feb 2005, 23:02 in Off-Topic DiscussionTop 10 (or so) Ways You Kow You're an R. Scott Bakker Fan by Annabel, Peralogue

Which I shall easily defeat using my superior Dunyain fighting skills! view post

posted 24 Feb 2005, 00:02 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Annabel, Peralogue

I don't mean to squash the convo here, but the question was do you believe in God not do you follow, espouse or support an organized religion. I think you can separate belief from dogma and received learning. As for religious folks being morally lazy, oh, I beg to differ. Some of the most passionate tracts on morality and right and wrong have been written by those who wrangle with their own deeply held religious beliefs. I already cited Kierkegaard but how about Peter Goodenough, T.S. Eliot, or St. Augustine. The list goes on and on. view post

posted 24 Feb 2005, 00:02 in Book ClubOfficial Book Club discussion nominations by Annabel, Peralogue

I'll second, third, fourth or whateverth TGOTM. Especially since I'm in the middle of reading it. view post

posted 25 Feb 2005, 22:02 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Annabel, Peralogue

Echoex: A friend once told me that you HAVE to raise your children with some sort of religion (buddhism, muslim, new age, wiccan, pentecostal, plant worshipping, moonie, whatever). He said a little religion acts as an "innoculation". Kids are always attracted to the forbidden - you don't want your little one running off and joining a freak religious cult at 16 just to spite you. (and I mean this as a joke!!) view post

Anybody seen Constantine? posted 25 Feb 2005, 22:02 in Off-Topic DiscussionAnybody seen Constantine? by Annabel, Peralogue

Any opinions? I have yet to see it. I'm doubtful - they turned the big C from Brit to American and moved the locale from London to L.A. I always thought Sting was the perfect actor for that role. Ah, well. Tomorrow night I gotta date with Mr. Reeves at the movie house. view post

posted 28 Feb 2005, 20:02 in Philosophy DiscussionAMERICAN POLITICS... by Annabel, Peralogue

Amadah: As a libertarian, why did you vote for Bush? Did you read the Homeland Security Act? I'm a liberal but some of my best friends were/are libertarians - all in the Federalist Society - and I just gotta say that if you believe in minimal government and as little possible intrusion on people's rights as possible, then the Bush administration must be driving you nuts. Economic, social and environmental regulation and interference (or the lack thereof in my opionion), well, okay maybe the administration is okay as far as that goes - laissez faire to our own destruction. But there is some weaselly stuff going on with basic rights - like due process, privacy, etc. Plus, there's our ever-ballooning deficit and the back door draft. I would think that most libertarians would be hopping mad. Can you explain? I really would like to know what the rationale is. Thanks! view post

posted 01 Mar 2005, 00:03 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Annabel, Peralogue

[/quote]I don't think that the existence OR absence of a God or god or gods can be proven with logic, no matter how many people have attempted to do so. It is a matter of BELIEF more than anything else.[/quote] Agreed. view post

posted 01 Mar 2005, 00:03 in Philosophy DiscussionAMERICAN POLITICS... by Annabel, Peralogue

Hate is a strong word. view post

posted 02 Mar 2005, 21:03 in Philosophy DiscussionAMERICAN POLITICS... by Annabel, Peralogue

[quote="H":127f1glu]As for Bush's attitude toward the rest of the world? I hear that brought up all the time but the man simply won't bend knee to a bunch of other countries. Why should he? Why should WE????[quote:127f1glu] Then, why should other countries bother to follow trade agreements, environmental agreements, etc? By that standard, Iraq was absolutely right to deny UN inspectors. And Korea has the right to build the bomb and Russia is within its rights to sell nuclear materials and know-how to whomever they wish. [quote:127f1glu] Breaks to big business ARE breaks to you. Again, read about capitalism and trace out where the money goes. It doesn't just sit in the pocket of some company. Money gets spent, in gets GROWS and it's up to YOU to make it grow for YOU. The government only sets the stage.[/quote:127f1glu][/quote:127f1glu][/quote:127f1glu] You mean Reagan's trickle down econ theories that worked so well in the 80's? And, how do you guaranty the money and breaks trickle down to Joe Schmo? How does that work? All the honest CEO's on Wall Street say, gee, I have $2M in tax cuts this year from the administration -- guess I'll give everybody raises . . . or . . . maybe I just buy a new yacht. Its fucking laughable really. Conservatives and neo-cons say that socialists are deluded -- "if men were angels we wouldn't need government" being the criticism of marxism. And, yet we trust our private citizens to "spread the wealth" and let it "trickle down". Come on!! Whatever carrot you put out there (e.g., if you invest it back in the company, you can make that money grow), a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. And, people are driven by greed more than wisdom. And just to expand on this point, why tax breaks to companies and the wealthy when you need a healthy middle class for a democracy to thrive? I mean 1% of the population in the U.S. earns more than $100K and up a year. I'm in that group and, you know what, I don't need more tax breaks. view post

posted 03 Mar 2005, 00:03 in Off-Topic DiscussionGood Book? by Annabel, Peralogue

No. That takes all the fun out of it. view post

posted 03 Mar 2005, 03:03 in Philosophy DiscussionAMERICAN POLITICS... by Annabel, Peralogue

You know what, Amandah? Despite your insults, I'm finding this conversation interesting although I doubt you and I will ever agree on anything or learn anything. Sad but true that's how these conversations go. As for credentials and what I do for a living, I'll show you mine when you show me yours. As much as they are worth - often times not more than the paper they are written on. You assume I am young and/or bitter. I guess that means your old and cynical, huh? I actually think that capitalism is a good thing - to a point. We don't have a free market system. You know that. The debate circles on around how free it should actually be. Where the controls lie and which abuses we should prevent. Taxes are a necessary evil. But where do the tax cuts go? Again, I ask why to the wealthiest? You claim it was the prior 2 Republican administrations that led to the Clinton budget surplus. Is there some scientific way to show causation? This concept of trickle-down economics working or not working has been debated endlessly. But the income gap between the rich and the poor has been growing in the past decades and that is not good thing for government stability. As for various nation states using military power to basically do as they please, I suppose that is the way of things. Might makes right and its a big bad world out there. Lets kill or bomb or dominate or exploit all those countries out there that we can. Throw all notions of good or bad out the window when it comes to the international arena. But, really, what did our country gain out of invading Iraq? My gas prices are still pretty high. I mean what did all those Iraqis and U.S. soldiers die for if I can't get a better price at the gas station? Security on U.S. soil? I think better immigration and travel policies might serve us better on that score. And lets not forget that Al-Quaeda were not in Iraq. Nor the weapons of mass destruction. view post


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