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posts by emmills Commoner | joined 13 Apr 2007 | 4


posted 13 Apr 2007, 21:04 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by emmills, Commoner

Do not forget that the Dunyain of the first apocalypse is not the Dunyain of second apocalypse. 2000 years is a very long time, and any attempt to give the original Dunyain powers (of perception, logic or the inability to err) equal to that of the latter Dunyain is not allowing for breeding and educational growth. Any notion of the Dunyain sending Kellhus out with motives that are not known or equally his, IMO, is not possible. Somewhere in the books Kellhus states something along the lines that the Dunyain did not talk much since everyone could read each others face in addition to knowing what the others response would be (conditioned ground, etc). As for Kellhus state of mind, we should examine an account of his affairs: Job: Aspect Empereror, blessed prophet and divinely chosen leader of all men, defacto leader of all sorcery schools due to skill level, Dunyain girlfriend: Smart, ruthless when needed, above average leader Half Brother: second in command (politically), half-dunyain Step son: 20 year old ADULT, half skivlendi first child: 19 year old adult, half dunyain other children: unknown If Kellhus is leading a march against Golgoterrath, he is not being a good Dunyain (i.e. he is walking conditioned ground), unless it is the shortest path to a self-moving soul and the ultimate inderstanding of the logos. I would assume that meglomania is not a concern since pleasure in and of itself is not a motivation for kelhus. The biggest challenge to kellhus will be an error (outright or through lack of knowledge) in his logic. Now if Kellhus was not a Dunyain, then a twenty year old kid or two should be cause for concern in the whole "heir to the throne" bit. A smokin hot girlfriend on a power trip would be fun. The leader of all men thing could drive someone to overconfidence or paranoia. Lastly, the whole demon underworld trying to kill you would prbably lend itself into some therepy time with a shrink. Just my thoughts view post


posted 13 Apr 2007, 21:04 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by emmills, Commoner

I would assume that Akka survives the books with much of his sanity intact. The evidence is in the excerpts of the "First" holy war. Meaning that he was also around for a second holy war. The passages in TTT were a little more bitter than the earlier ones, but they kept the vitriol to a minimum. view post


posted 13 Apr 2007, 22:04 in Author Q & AGnosis vs. Anagogis, and sorcery in general by emmills, Commoner

I would think a demon is a demon. The difference in gnostic and anagnostic sorcery is not the end result (a demon) but in how the demon is summoned and the strength of its bonds. With anagnostic sorcery, you need to make the appearance of a door prior to creating the door. The gnostic connection would be more true. As for the binding, the anagnostic would probably use pain, desire and other emotions as evidenced in "reality" to bend the demon's will. The gnostic would be closer to what happened to Esmi when she was "possessed". The cisharim were greater than that of the Red spires and probably equal to the "standard" Mandate. Moengus was a rather weak pshuke (sp) sorceror since it requires fanatic emotion rather than logic. The description of the pshuke also sound like raw energy, not equivalent pictures. view post


posted 02 May 2007, 21:05 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by emmills, Commoner

There is evidence that the old dunyain was truly desparate and nothing like the new dunyain. One of the most glaring differences is in there acceptence policies. The old dunyain accepted a child not from any of "breeding" stock. In TTT, Moengus describes Kelhus brother as not a dunyain even though he has half the blood and the training since birth. The original order was just an religious/philosophical sect that was trying to escape the horrors of the apocolypse. Clean body, clean mind, look for the truth etc. I would not think the group could manage a 2000 year plot of revenge, especially if they did not render a school of sorcery or sorceral defense. Kelhus is not a Kwisach Haderack (sp), that story has already been written. view post


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