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posted 13 May 2004, 17:05 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeMoenghus = Mallahet? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

That last post was from me, I just forgot to log in... view post


posted 14 May 2004, 21:05 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeMoenghus = Mallahet? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

The reason I thought Kellhus could see sorcery as well as sorcerers was the following passage on page 525, where he is trying to figure out Skeaos's deal: "How was this possible? Sorcery? If so, it possessed nothing of the strange torsion he'd experienced with the Nonman he'd battled so long ago. Sorcery, Kellhus had realized, was inexplicably grotesque - like the scribblings of a child across a work of art -though he did not know why. All he knew was that he could distinguish sorcery from the world and sorcerers from common men." The fact that he can see sorcery, not just read the fact of a person being a sorcerer in their face, is what made me think he was one of the Few. But as someone pointed out, he can't be one of the Few or Cishaurim because the Chorae that Cnaiur threw him didn't hurt him. Maybe I misread the passage... Or maybe there is some Dunyain potential for sorcery that their training gives them, but had never been tapped because they shun/disbelieve those things. This creates a compelling case for Moenghus being Mainthanet since the latter can distinguish sorcerers... Mainthanet is also pretty good at sniffing out spies. But here's my question - how could Sarcellus have escaped his notice? His rank is just below the Grandmaster of the Shrial knights, so he would have met the Shrial at some point. Kellhus noticed the weirdness of Skeaos immediately. Since we know that Sarcellus is the same kind of creature, wouldn't Moenghus have noticed it? Especially since he is looking at faces for spies? view post


posted 19 May 2004, 15:05 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I'd like to take issue with the whole good/bad dichotomy. I think trying to moralize Bakker's universe into black and white is to miss an important aspect of his writings. I also find Kant and European Enlightnment thought ethically problematic. While it sounds good in theory, it fails to address many problems which would make its universal claims applicable. A huge problem with philosophy is that it is usually studied completely detached from the historical context in which it was concieved. I think that morality exists, however it looks different as the circumstances shift. And this not moral relativism. We could all agree that killing is wrong, but there are numerous instances where it is deemed permissable. Even in absolutist situations, there are always exceptions. This doesn't mean that you throw out the maxim that killing other people is bad, but you develop sharper skills to evaluate situations and analyze context. Having studied Just War ethics, I can bring an example from such a context. The Catholic Church, before the Crusades, unequivocally held that killing was wrong. When soliders went to war, they were required to beg for forgiveness for their sin of killing. When they went to fight Muslims in the Crusades, the Pope decided that killing infidels was OK, that it wasn't the same as killing Christians. Muslims were put outside the pale of moral consideration. This is a well honed mechanism in the application of universalist Enlightnment thought, an inherent problem. How could all men have been created equal (except women, and everyone besides white people?) How could we have slavery and colonialism and not have the system collapse under its own contradictions? Similarly, I don't think that we can put Kellhus in a good/bad dichotomy where he is good if against the Consult or evil if against it. Where are we standing? With him on his mission to protect the Dunyain? Or with the Inrithi? I find that although all that exists for him is Mission, he has moments where he does perceive when something is wrong. (Like the first time Cnaiur rapes Serwe.) Let's remember that the Scylvendi allied with the No-God in the last Apocalypse. Are they all evil? To the end of time? Because they went to war against other men and killed some? Or is it because their cause was not just? Is the holy war just? Can we really say that making war on people just because they occupy a city that a long dead prophet was born in is just? It is based on a relative conception of holiness. I think with Kelhus, our ideas of right and wrong and their ideas of right and wrong are not what guide him. The man until now has been outside of history. He is Dunyain. Bad for him is unowned action. He is manipulative and kills, but only enough to achieve his goal. He does not wontonly go around killing people or lying to them. He does not dominate just to dominate. Rather, Kellhus, at this point, is outside of history, and context, relative to his mission, is everything. This may change. But perhaps this is why he occupies such an ambiguous moral position. He is outside of emotions. He is pure intellect. He is war. That's how I read it anyway. view post


posted 19 May 2004, 16:05 in Philosophy DiscussionFantasy and Philosophy by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Escape from what is what I would ask. What is the real world? I am a graduate student, and some would argue that I don't live in the real world anyway. I worked for several years in between spurts of academia, but the cube farm always seemed surreal to me. Hugging someone I love seemed like a moment of the real world. I also get really annoyed with the distinction that Sci Fi is more adult and forward looking, because it is more "useful" and that F is backward and historical. I would argue that the real world is gravely lacking mutiple awareness of history... Of course there is an element of escapism in reading F. Isn't reading anything for pleasure escape. Even if you are absolutely fascinated with watch repair and reading everything you can on it, unless you are opening a watch repair business, isn't that escapism. It seems that any pleasure oriented actions don't register on the utility richter scale and so they are acts of escapism. I enjoy reading about imaginatively concieved things and having my brain be taken on fun and intellectually engaging adventures that I would not have gotten to take otherwise. Reading for pleasure is such a big part of my life, such a major aspect of keeping my balance as I move through my life (and fantasy is such a big part of that reading)... well, it functions as a mind saving device. I hope I never get stranded on a desert island. view post


posted 10 Jun 2004, 14:06 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeMoenghus = Mallahet? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

As far as I know there are two different groups of people killing off spies. One is Mainthanet, who is killing off everyone's spies in the Thousand Temples and his actions are legal because the penalty for spying there is death. The Mandate is not singled out here, the Emperor and the Scarlet Spires have no spies either. This is not particularly suspect since we know that Mainthanet's generally been cleaning house in the Thousand Temples and this could be part of cleaning out corruption. Then there is the Consult that is following Mandate operatives. That's different. Blinding the Mandate is an obvious tactic, since the Mandate are the only ones who believe in the Consult anymore. As for the whole business of ripping off people's faces, there seem to be two possibilities. One is for a nice addition to a Nonman's cloak. Another is that it provides some blueprint for a Consult skin spy. Although the Scarlet Spires knows the identity of Geshrunni so he can't work as a spy, but they don't know the id of the older corpse. I personally would be flabbergasted if Mainthanet was working for the Consult. Bakker gives us clues about people who are - their eyes are strangely dead, they are pathetic, gross, etc. We are not given these kinds of clues with him. But there is a possibility that he is the older corpse. Five years is the right amount of time. As for Mohengus, he must know the Mandate prophecy about an Anasurimbor coming at the end of the world and in asking for his son to come to Shimeh, he knew what he would be setting in motion... At this point I am dying for the TWP to give me some new info to toy with... view post


posted 14 Jul 2004, 16:07 in Author Q & AWomen In the Three Seas by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Well, while I accept the fact that women have always been subject to the crap end of some system of domination, and, I might add, still are, I think that this system varies a great deal with time, place and society. We can't assume that things were peachy in the caveman days and then male dominence set in and we have only begun to redress the problem. Linear trajectories are assumptions of progress. History has been written in such a way to exclude women and to propogate their role as chattel. For instance, women have enjoyed more freedom of movement and and equality in many nomadic societies throughout history, from the Mongols to the recent tribes on the central Asian steppes. The limitation of movement in urban areas was limited to upper and middle class women. The sex segregation and veiling required of women in upper class Greece and Rome engendered a whole working world for lower class women. Women whose movement was restricted due to their class, often had access of corridors of power that their lower class counterparts did not. And women did have some control over their reproductive systems. Women's medicine was only wrested away from them when midwives and single women were massively persecuted during the witch hunts in Europe during the oh so enlightened Renaissance when strictures really began to tighten up on women. All I am saying is that the oppression of women differed greatly according to the nature of a given society and many many other factors. The status of women within Christianity took a major nose dive after incorporation into the structure of the Roman Empire. Islam elevated the lot of women in Iran, but restricted it in Egypt. Why does there seem to be little variation in Earwa? I am also wondering about women among the Dunyain. I don't have my books now, but when they arrive at the fortress in the north, there are women amongst them and the group has survived. But, we have yet to see any through Kelhus's recollections. I am very nervous about this, especially after seeing the face room. I would dread stumbling on a mating room. Who and where is Kelhus's mother? If he has the concept of Father and has a dialogue going with him in his head, why is any thought of a mother totally absent? Basically, I wonder about gender relations and roles amongst the Dunyain... Sorry about the long winded post! view post


posted 18 Jul 2004, 18:07 in Author Q & AWomen In the Three Seas by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Maybe some Spoilers below....... I don’t think that the female character or gender portrayal in Earwa is one dimensional. I do wonder if we can consider all of the Three Seas one society. In the end, you are the author, but can the Kian and the Scylvendi be meshed in the with different groups of Inrithi? I just wanted to call into question the general tone of the thread which seems to assume that most of the history that we have of the past with regard to women is reality or accurate. I don’t personally believe in an objective history, but there are women’s personal realities. It’s not that I question women’s position in various structures of hierarchy, but that history writing itself is part of that system of patriarchy and has been configured as a way of seeing to render women as invisible and powerless chattel, or as evil, unnatural and corrupt. The former as the presentation of the good, normal woman that constitutes the majority and the latter as the anomalies that should serve as a warning. A large part of feminist historiography seeks to do intervention and rewrite this general (read: masculine) history and also to find new ways of writing history to deal with the fact that history has been created for the texts of men, which are by in large the only texts that exist. I love your books. But I did find myself becoming a little wary of the archetypes. The woman in power, the harridan, is so thoroughly gross. The waif is totally demented. My favorite female character is Esmi, which is why I adopted her archetype in an oblique way. She seems to me the most multi-layered and complex character of all the women. The most real. Her relationship to Kellhus is reminiscent of a Gnostic view of Mary Magdalene and Jesus. I was totally blown away by what Kellhus says to her in the bit about how she has internalized the patriarchal order. I just feel that barring her, the archetypes run the risk of someone like the harridan becoming the woman made ruthless because she is has stepped into a position of power unnatural to her gender. I’m not saying you do this, but it is a risk of handling archetypes. That said, I fully agree with you that the power of eunuchs in the Persian Empire certainly does not reduce the bite of institutional slavery, but the meaning and form of the bite is not as we understand it now and that must be taken into account. That kind of slavery is not the same as triangle trade slavery and that distinction is as key as the fact of slavery itself. I read TWP too fast the first time and have to do a second read. (I was just too greedy!) But I can tell you that I am all for the de-sanitizing. I see your worry about Esmi, the only potential problem might be her feelings and recollections about her time as a prostitute. But I think you deal with that in TWP. Woe to my length! view post


posted 20 Jul 2004, 03:07 in Author Q & AWomen In the Three Seas by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I’m not talking about moral relativism, but rather historical contingency. Slavery is not good how ever you cut it, in my opinion. But, the experience, the institution, the practice of it varies across time, societies, class, gender, race, etc. (these are not already constituted categories) so that an African slave picking cotton in Alabama has an experience that is a pretty far cry from a Georgian slave made eunuch who goes from the harem to being governor of Isfahan and amassing a vast personal fortune. These are pretty important differences that inhabit the same word. Our specific representations of these two experiences depend on the questions we ask, sources we select, the way we read those sources, and methodology of our interpretation. I’m hashing all this out in a paper and am still struggling for clarity, but here’s a shot. The beauty of fantasy is that you have a freer hand to play with historical narratives in your story than someone like me who can’t manage to write anything but boring academic stuff. I don’t think you’ve got the wrong history. Wouldn’t a wrong history imply that there is a correct representation that gives voice to a pre-discursive reality? But from the perspective of women, gender and sexuality, some are better than others. It’s all about how that narrative is constituted. The histories we write reflect our conceptions of the present in our narratives of the past. And history is constituted from the recollections, interpretations and narratives of others. And I don’t think your story is misogynist, but I am just trying to call attention to the overwhelmingly misogyny of “general” historical representation, where general means a naturalized masculinist gaze and agenda. By in large we can argue, that in different ways, political, social, economic systems have been stacked to be unequal and disempowering for women. But, the ideas that we associate with the present, like gender equality, are not totally new to this century. In prior times, when they did exist, records of these views were later quashed and suppressed. Gnostic Christian movements come to mind. Or the Cathars in southern France. Aren’t there any popular “heretics” in Earwa with weird gender ideas that accept women? I feel that we cannot assume that before our century things just sucked for women because surviving written records said that systems sucked for women and that was the unproblematic representations of lived experiences. Feminist historiography is trying to move away from the “add women and stir” approach because that does not address what makes women as subjects and gender/sexuality as analytic an optional category that could be excluded at will in the first place. Far deeper critiques about the discipline of history, and how historical significance is constituted are being explored. Serwe seems mentally disturbed more than innocent, if you ask me. She’s been through a lot and has come up with some pretty creative explanations about why and what has happened to her. And she thinks Kellhus is God. Maybe that’s not her fault, because I get the feeling if he started working on me, I’d probably think he was God too. I guess for me, the problem with Serwe is that it’s difficult to tell how much of those ideas are her coping mechanisms and which ones Kellhus nudged in there. Like her belief that her baby is Kellhus’s… But then maybe that ambiguity is the point. This distinction is a bit more clear with Esmi. The fact that the conquerors speech is authored by Kellhus is supreme irony, if you ask me. Esmi has her powers – her intellect, her emotional strength and her refusals. Her refusals are subtle and intriguing. But in dealing with weapons of the weak, as well as archetypes, it’s an extremely fine line to not reproduce them as helpless and powerless victims. That is not to say that you should leave helpless and powerlessness out of the picture, but a complex picture does unexpected things that upset the transmission of representations. Well, I’ve really messed this up. Maybe you’d like to read my paper, in your copious free time! Ha! (Well, it’s coauthored by my advisor, so there is one person who knows what they are doing in there.) view post


posted 20 Jul 2004, 03:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat is/was/will be your college major? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I majored in International Studies, the humanisties/social science mishmash major at my school. Lots of flexability and no commitments. view post


posted 20 Jul 2004, 03:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

pugnacious (of course I don't even know what it means). view post


posted 20 Jul 2004, 19:07 in Author Q & AWomen In the Three Seas by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

What happens in history is contingent, as well as what is told about what happens in history. The former means that any event is contingent and was not an inevitable outcome. The implications of that are not moral relativism, which we finally fleshed out way better in the paper, but a destablization of the teleology of progress and de-centering of the individual, autonomous, unified subject. It is from there that we move beyond add women and stir. It's still vague here, but there is a reason the paper's 40 pages! I'm sure we'll get mauled at the conference. The Warrior Princess. Would you mind describing what exactly you have in mind as that archetype? She’s usually virginal for one, right? Or man-less. A depiction that I read recently that I really liked, which is not warrior princess, but fighting woman, is those two female marine in Erikson's Memories of Ice. The ones guarding Silverfox. I thought they were amazing. When they finally pulled out their swords, fought and got butchered I almost cried. They were so deadpan and funny and then so matter of fact about stepping into almost certain death. I had this flash last night while I was re-reading TWP. I realized what an important and subtle role gender plays in the unraveling of Cnaiur. When he’s watching Serwe sleep he thinks, “so beautiful. So like his forgotten wife” (32). That forgotten wife is Anissi (sp?) and she is half Norsirai? Is this a chain that starts with Moenghus and ends with Kellhus. It seems like women carry the reverberation enacted at both ends by the Anasurimbors and that gender blurs in the middle as does love and hate. It is through this that Cnaiur, although he is somewhat awake, is undone. But maybe he’s just nuts. Am I pulling this out of thin air? Aldarion, thanks for the citations... view post


posted 20 Jul 2004, 19:07 in Author Q & AWomen In the Three Seas by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

PS - What do you understand to be moral relativism? view post


posted 12 Nov 2004, 05:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThere's a listing for the release by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Don't get too excited - if he hasn't finished the book, how do they know how many pages it is and all that. The Warrior Prophet was timed to be released just as I finished my grueling first year of PhD hell and when it was pushed back, I was so fried that I almost cried in despair. It sounds ridiculous, but it was a big deal at the time... view post


posted 05 Feb 2005, 01:02 in The Warrior ProphetAnother Maithanet Theory (possible spoiler) by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

All of this sounds credible, but I can't escape the feeling that Moenghus is really running the show. I think whether he is aware or not, Maithanet is doing Moenghus's bidding. How many people are Kelhus's flunkies without knowing it. How many know it and don't care. They don't care because they can't see the level of manipulation. They internalize Kelhus's imperatives as their own desires. I think that when someone has been made to so something heinous, like Cnaiur, and becomes aware of the level of manipulation that made him want to do it, he grows enraged (and scared!). But based on what's happened so far - Kelhus's transformation of man to prophet, forged in the fires of not yet fully consummated holy war - I feel like the object of this holy war (masterminded by Moenghus) is to forge his son into the prophet that can wield the Three Seas as the resource needed to fight the one true threat to the Dunyain father-son tag team - the Consult. Because after all, it doesn't seem like the Consult knows how to play nice and share, and the Dunyain are not the easy meat of other mortals. Forgive me if I've butchered the names, I don't have my book with me now... view post


posted 06 Feb 2005, 16:02 in The Warrior ProphetAnother Maithanet Theory (possible spoiler) by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Just the fact that Moenghus is Dunyain could account for the fact that he is cunning and powerful. We cannot assume that Moeghus is Mallahet, but we do know that he controls a faction of the Cishaurim. And, if he is a sorcerer, well, it's difficult to imagine the Dunyain being mediocre at anything... I guess it depends on the nature of the talent. Is it something you have and then improve at according to practice, or is the level of your talent set. How much depends on will... view post


posted 08 Feb 2005, 03:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMoenghus as Harbinger by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

It would be kind of cool to see a female Dunyain in action. But more interestingly, what would a Dunyain be like who is world born, inspite of good teachers. I don't think Dunyain training can be replicated outside the monestary... When an Anasurimbor returns. That is sufficiently vague. No lag time specified and no clarification about whether it has to be a known Anasurimbor or not... We are following a vaguely Christian pattern, first John the Baptist and then the big bang himself. view post


posted 16 Feb 2005, 18:02 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMoenghus as Harbinger by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Just like Jesus. view post


posted 01 Apr 2005, 18:04 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

[quote:27dom668]I haven't been looking at the history of Earwa so much from the standpoint of an 'absolute observer,' as from from the standpoint of what is known or thought to be known at the time of the Holy War.[/quote:27dom668] This is very cool. So many historians tend to by pass the fact that we have to deal with the history of texts (and the historical insight they afford us) as much of the historical information they can impart. As one of my favorite historians notes, "there was a significant dialectic between empirical observation and lived experience of some form, and the generation of these texts" (59). There is the issue of circulation - popularity and acceptability for cultural reasons, as well as thing just being lost (like libraries burned in war time). The sum of all knowledge is formed by what is written and what circulates at a given moment. A text is not a linear accumulation of knowledge because it “did not exist in isolation from a structuration imposed by a brute and shifting empirical reality, manifested not least of all in the loss, mutilation and censoring of texts and voices from the past" (60). (From Sanjay Subrahmanyam's Penumbral Visions) I really like the idea of not everything being able to be known in Earwa... so like our world (however such a condition may be glossed over.) At least that's how it looks for weird history writers like me whose idea of history is outside what is encompassed by official archives and libraries. view post


posted 02 Apr 2005, 04:04 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMoenghus as Harbinger by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I continue to hold out hope that Kelhus's child will be a girl - after all, in the mysoginistic world of the Three Seas, where the harridan, harlot and waif are armed only with the weapons of the weak, what else could herald the end of the world but an all powerful female! view post


posted 11 Apr 2005, 16:04 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Sometimes I feel like the shy onlooker, with perversely fierce sympathies, wishing you would show a little more skin... view post


posted 11 Apr 2005, 16:04 in Author Q & AWill the Fanim finally get a break? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

As I was flipping through Carole Hillenbrand's "The Crusades: Islamic Perspectives," the other day (on a major procrastinative detour from what I should have been looking for) I was wondering if we ever get to see things about the Fanim, besides the remnants of their almost always exotic and decadent accoutrements. I feel like much of what we see in TWP is the exoticized objects left in their wake or their banner from a distance. This bothered me a bit, although I realize this is because a lot of this is told through the perspective of the Inrithi, to whom Fanim would probably seem both effeminate/decadent and fearfully ferocious (that intertwining of heresy and sexual perversity/gender chaos), I wonder if this does not bleed into the omniscient perspective descriptions… (or are they omniscient from the perspective of the Inrithi army?) The more human moments of everyday life have been few – the only Fanim we see are grandees or the padirajah, or as faceless victims of plunder… no fat sorcerer or savvy whores that break any stereotypical images and let us see what is going on from within… but perhaps you are saving this for future books. Perhaps it will be introduced as Kelhus meets up with daddy’s helpers. view post


posted 14 Apr 2005, 13:04 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Well, some strange things are happening to him. He's beginning to have emotions and involuntary emotional reactions. I am not sure he is evil either, at least not in the sense of what we think of as unadulterated malice. He simply has one overarching goal -to get to dad - and all other things must be made to follow. (Maybe also to be equal to dad, hence the desire to learn the sorcery). I am just curious, if the Dunyain are so free of emotions and customs and history, what is this sense of "Father" that he sets out with from the beginning and does that change over the course of the book? What is vested in the biological connection? What cultural notions of paternity? view post


posted 19 Apr 2005, 15:04 in Author Q & AWill the Fanim finally get a break? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I read some amazing "histories" of Mongol battles and sieges. When they laid seige to Baghdad, they used their corvee labor (from other sucessful sieges and villages on the way) to build a second wall around Baghdad's walls. This way people couldn't slip out of the walls. Then they lobbed flaming balls and big rocks into the city. The graneries burned down and while people were trying to put fires out, they scaled the walls. Before too long the city surrendered. They put the Caliph and his sons to death, and then looted and pillaged the city. Unfortunately, most of these are in Persian and have not, to the best of my knowledge, been translated. Their tone and approach are very interesting though - in terms of what is honorable/admirable behavior and what is not. view post


posted 21 Apr 2005, 21:04 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Wouldn't that be funny if Kelhus was a prophet - then the God(s) would be using him the way he uses other people. Can't think of a anything more disconcerting for Dunyain than not coming before. view post


posted 24 Apr 2005, 00:04 in Author Q & AFeelings for our protaganist by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I find him totally fascinating. He does not anger or gross me out. I do recognize that I would not want to be on the receiving end of some his machinations though. (If I hated and was angered by everyone who did things or held views different from mine (most religious views, nationalism, sexism, etc.), that threatened my sense of sovereignty, then I would hate most people in the world, including most members of my family). I envy some of his intellectual and physical capabilities. But, at the end of the day, I would not want to be anywhere near him. Through the printed page is close enough. view post


posted 24 Apr 2005, 05:04 in Author Q & AFeelings for our protaganist by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Well, of course Kelhus deceived Serwe. But she never did find out. Frankly, his deceptions made her deliriously happy on some level, especially at the end. (I frankly doubt she would have believed him if he tried to level with her.) In the context of the story, she is a concubine – a plaything – and then she is a piece of meat for pillaging tribesmen. Kelhus screwed up her life? I am not defending him, and no, I would not want to be on the receiving end of that treatment, but, if you look at her quality of life, what sort of a turn did it take? You think she would prefer to end up giving birth to blue babies again as long as someone did the ethical thing and was honest with her? Seems like she went from bad to better. It may have been a blessing. Serwe almost wanted to be lied to, as long as someone made everything OK. And, maybe Kelhus is what could be called a prophet. He certainly seem superhuman on many levels. This is not a defense. What he did is completely unconscionable. But what is the source of emotion? Truth? Doesn’t it come out of stories we tell ourselves or other people tell us about the meaning of things in the world? Do we comfort our selves with stories that the love we share with someone is truly shared, that we understand the word love to house the same meanings? Seemed to me that she ended up deliriously happy at the end of her life. And, about differing views, when things like the right to abortion and birth control are under attack, people’s differing views ARE an attack on my personal sovereignty. When someone thinks the Bible (or any other scripture for that matter) should be the basis for education and law, I feel very under threat. It all depends on power and position no? You think worrying if my extended family is the next to be blown to smithereens by patriotically fired up American troops (who have the support of a wide swath of a duped, ill informed, even willfully ignorant American public) is being a cynical chuckler? How about the fact that the government is pushing legislation through to severely censor the line of work I am in so that it adheres more to government policy. Your theory of imposition is perhaps limited – so the US reinforced its own sense of sovereignty by bombing Iraq? Someone is going to take away my right to a safe abortion and then I will feel truly sovereign? I have no problem with someone thinking abortion is wrong, unfortunately that doesn’t translate into someone just not going out and getting one for themselves. And if the government wants to think it is the master of the universe, that is great, but unfortunately that generally means flexing some major military muscle. So civilized discussion is all good, but the differing views that I am talking about lead to serious consequences. I don’t mean to dump this all on you in a deluge, but yes, people’s views often do threaten my life in very up close and personal ways that are pretty hard to ignore. I choose to deal with it by doing the best I can. If I got angry every time, I’d explode with hate. This was a real problem for me when people all around me were voting for Bush, who I consider a threat to me in some of the ways I’ve outlined above. So in order to not hate all those people, I avoid talking about those things, or I walk away. view post


posted 28 Apr 2005, 18:04 in Author Q & AWill the Fanim finally get a break? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I can check for English translations and get back to you. If not, I could probably render you a translation of the Baghdad siege, but after the end of my semester... they really are great battle stories. view post


posted 28 Apr 2005, 18:04 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Remember the scene where the Pragma smacks Kelhus so hard in the face he falls down, just for interrupting him... by our ethics, that is bordering on child abuse. But even up to my grandparents' generation, that sort of thing was just good child rearing. Kids were whipped and beaten by their parents and teachers on a regular basis, for their own good. It was accepted practice. So in a way, comparing the practices of the Dunyain (or Cnaiur's violence) to our time (and place) is a little pointless. (Because having killed the most men in battle was considered admirable and brave in most medieaval contexts.) So is Kelhus evil? Maybe from where we are standing. But is that really the most interesting way to pose the question? view post


posted 29 Apr 2005, 18:04 in Author Q & AWill the Fanim finally get a break? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

OK, here's the deal: The account of the Fall of Baghdad that I mentioned is written by a Persian ploymath named Nasiruddin Tusi (well known for works on astronomy, logic and ethics). It is written as an appendix to another text, a long history of the Mongols. Both these accounts are written by Persian (bilingual also in Arabic) historians who at different times were attached to Genghiz Khan's grandson, Hulagu. The main account is written by a guy named Juwayni who only covers Genghiz up through Hulagu's destruction of Alamut (the mountain stronghold of the Ismailis, also called the Assasins). So Tusi wrote the appendix to cover Baghdad, which was conquered 2 years later and marks the beginning of the Ilkhanid rule of what is today most of Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq. Here is the English translation of the main text: Juvaynī, ʻAlāʾ al-Dīn ʻAṭā Malik, 1226-1283. Genghis Khan : the history of the world conqueror / by ʻAla al-Din ʻAta-Malik Juvaini ; translated from the text of Mizra Muhammad Qazvini by J. A. Boyle with a new introduction by David O. Morgan. Seattle : University of Washington Press, 1997. Unfortunately, the appendix has not been included in this translation (which is weird because the translator muses over why the author wouldn't include the fall of Baghdad - but then, the manuscript he is working from is full of gaps). The main text should be full of juicy battle stories, politics and intrigue. My offer still stands to translation the Fall of Baghdad part of the appendix, since I've already done a read through of it with a professor. Hope this helps. view post


posted 30 Apr 2005, 02:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat is your favorite sport? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I like watching World Cup Soccer. (I was one of those freaks that woke up at 4AM to watch the games live from Korea last time). What I like to participate in is different. Gymnastics (which I did until I hit puberty and my body was unable to handle the strain). Modern dance followed (lower impact stress on joints). I liked cross country running. Then I started smoking and drinking and, well, yoga and walking are about it for me now. (It's not a bad amount of exercise given that I have been living without a car all my adult life). view post


posted 02 May 2005, 23:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Destruction of the Dunyain by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

It seems unlikely to me that the Dunyain would side with the Consult. Not because they would be repulsed by the Consult's evil, but because the Consult's methods and goals would get in the way of the Dunyain mission. Remember, during the last Apocalypse, no babies were born (or were still born) for 11 years. This would get in the way of the breeding program. (Although we have yet to see any female Dunyain and they could possibly have babies in other ways... gulp). But still, the Consult seems to run roughshod over anyone and everyone it likes I don't see them tiptoing around the Dunyain or leaving them alone. I also don't see the Dunyain making compromises with the Consult. I feel like the Consult would try to out and out destroy them if met with resistance (although they might be in for a nasty surprise). I doubt the skin spies are the only good in their bag of tricks. view post


posted 17 May 2005, 01:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSome Random Thoughts on TTT by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Kelhus creeped me out, yes... those sermons were weird and I would hate to be in the audience, lapping it up with the rest (as I am sure I would inevitably do...) But I don't find his "taking" Esmi away from Akka any more reprensible than anything else he's done. Esmi is a grown woman has about as much chance of resisting him as anyone else. Why not get annoyed with Kelhus for convincing Akka he is a genius such as the world has never seen (and worthy of the exception of teaching him sorcery). Women aren't objects or posessions. She thought he was dead. She got with the most charismatic and hot guy out there who actively pursued her. Big deal. Personally, I found Serwe highly annoying. there seems to be nothing remarkable about her except for her looks. Otherwise she is a spoiled, stupid, slightly insane brat. Vain and petty, I might add. I thought she was the innocent only so far as the bad parts of child-like-ness. I could sympathize with Esmi's annoyance. When is this book coming out!!! view post


posted 21 May 2005, 00:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSome Random Thoughts on TTT by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Esmi is more of a working girl. Her profession is not a pathology, it's a way to feed herself. She was left with little choice, since she begins by being raped by her father and then given by him to his friends. She's not exactly marriage material in a world obesessed with chastity and virginity in a bride. Her profession has certainly affected her view of sexual relationships, but she did not become a whore because of some quirk in her personality that made her want to jump into bed with anyone. The Emporer's mother is more of a pathological whore, in my opinion. She uses sex to manipulate and jockey for power, even on her own son. Maybe Esmi's a whore in so far as the preservation of her chastity to maintain her repuation is not an issue for her since her reputation is as irrevocably marked as her hand is... that doesn't mean sleeping with someone means nothing to her. view post


posted 23 May 2005, 17:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Logos/Dunyain by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

[quote:10ifywc7]The face-training specimens come from outside. The Dunyain maintain some contact with the nearest human tribes, and sometimes people simply wander too close to Ishual and are captured. This is also a source of trade for the advanced goods the Dunyain can manufacture in exchange for food, when it's needed. [/quote:10ifywc7] I have to disagree with this, White Lord. I don't think the Dunyain have had ANY contact with the outside world. The face specimens were failed Dunyain who as a result of physical and/or mental defects (probably from too much inbreeding) were unable to complete training and were used for training purposes such as these. I am pretty sure this is outright stated that they are failed Dunyain in TWP. I also think that the Kelhus's physical abilities and mental abilities are naturally quite elevated and have had the benefit of being honed even further by Dunyain training. But what we see in the book is unique I think because no Dunyain (except Moengus and we don't know the extend of what he's managed yet) has ever been tested the same way Kelhus has. They have never had to put the Probability trance in the service of taking control of a holy war and they don't have all the information that Kelhus has (like the existence of sorcery). Remember that Kelhus was tripping out over the variety of leaf patterns when he first leaves the stronghold of the Dunyain... his natural abilities and his training have been even further honed by the challenges he has faced in the outside world, which none of his brethren have. I personally think that Moenghus has also received this honing, but in a different way, as per his own experiences in the world. I think this is considerable, since I also think that he is the driving force behind this whole holy war... and the taking control of it by Kelhus. Some clues hint at the similarities: for instance, when Kelhus meets Cnauir, it's about the same stage in his experience with the world as Moenghus was when he was captured by the tribe. The first thing he tries on Cnaiur is the trackless steppe line, which his dad tried too... the only difference is that Cnaiur has already heard it. So Kelhus and Moenghus see the same kinds of openings at about the same point in their honing in the outside world. What happens next is very different though and I am interested to see how this is reflected when we meet Moenghus... the standardization of Dunyain life and the diversification brought on by time in the outside world... view post


posted 25 May 2005, 16:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

The even more scary possibility is that Moenghus is willing to let the Cishaurim and Scarlet schoolmen kill each other just to get Kelhus to Shimeh. Maybe he figures that once Kelhus learns sorcery, either on the way, or though him, that they won't need the other schools. (Except maybe the Mandate, which might fall into line once they figure out who they are dealing with...) I personally don't think that the Consult started the war between the Scarlet Spires and the Cishaurim. The method of the attack was Pushke - the whole forehead lights coming from the outside business. I wonder though if the nature of the Pushke is what the Consult finds threatening - maybe the Pushke is as mysterious to them as it is to the rest of the Three Seas and therefore must be destroyed or appropriated. Is there a discussion about the Pushke anywhere on the forum? I am not a huge metaphysics person, so I miss alot of this stuff, but I wonder if the lack of sorcerous mark and the way it looks, as if straight from Outside has something to do with why the Consult has its panties in such a twist. They don't seem terribly stressed out by the other schools (except the Mandate, which has effectively been neutralized through evasion and making them a laughing stock). view post


posted 25 May 2005, 16:05 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Kelhus is definitely evil from the Three Seas point of view. He's even evil from Cnair's point of view and I think that takes some doing! I don't think he'd necessary disagree with the concept of good and evil (how ever it may be historically constructed) but he's probably think it's irrelevant, a world born construct. Although there is that interesting moment when he watches Serwe get raped the first time that (I don't have the book with me now) his head spins and he has this new inkling that this might be wrong. Maybe the fact that he is starting to have emotional reactions (like crying at Serwe's death) might link him up with the concept of good and bad and right and wrong in a new way. view post


posted 25 May 2005, 18:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I definitely get the feeling that he is not just a pious Joe Shmo. The two times we have seen him, through the very different eyes of Akka and the Emperor, he is most impressive. I just wish Kelhus had seen him, that would have been telling. I want to say he seems Dunyain trained because he's rooted out all outside human spies. He could have left the skin spies in place because it wasn't time to reveal their existence to the world... which would mean he is part of a greater plan. (I still think he is working with Moenghus). Or, he could be just a more awesome man because of some Nonman heritage and be able to sniff out spies, but not read faces and thus root out skin spies. anyone else get the feeling that Nilnamesh is sort of India on the map... having some Inrithi there somehow reminds me of the legend of Prester John which was rampant in medieval Europe... view post


posted 25 May 2005, 21:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I think you are right that making a skin spy who can practice sorcery is theoretically possible, but I am not sure the consult knows how to do this with skin spies. While the Inchoiri (I always butcher spellings when far from my book) could practice it on themselves, does this mean that they can do the same with new creations. "the thing that passes for a soul" in the skin spies makes me wonder what these things are. Are they created souls? Does making a skin spy from scratch and transmuting one's soul from different bodies involve the same technology? I guess the question comes down to intellect. Is that genetic or does it have to do with cultivation? If so, can the Consult make skin spies that are intellectual matches of the sorcers they need to replace. And how, beyond the potential to wield sorcery, and the intellect to be of matching strength, do they acquire the practical knowledge of each school's training, which begins training quite young. It seems that kind of skin spy planting requires major foresight, which might not make it as practicable. view post


posted 26 May 2005, 03:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I agree with you, although I think Maithanet could be persuaded to aid Moenghus willingly (what ever that means with a Dunyain) due to the common threat of the Consult. The Consult is definitely a bigger problem than infidels or sorcerers. It would also explain how Maithanet knows about the war between the Scarlet Spires and the Cishaurim. He's only been Shirah for two years before the start of the war, which would mean he was still in the south when the attack on the Spires took place. The holy war is more a means of gathering the Three Seas under one banner. Of course, the staggering loss of life in the cause of the greater good is rather revolting... it would mean that Moenghus is one persuasive teacher! view post


posted 27 May 2005, 16:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSerwe/Esmenet as Mary Magdalen? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I think elements of the Jesus story are mixed in with parts of the history of the first Crusade. Kelhus's age, his relationship with Esmi (which especially jives with the Mary Magdalene of the Gnostic Gospels more than the gospels that made it into the New Testament) all point to the Jesus story, but a kind of second Jesus. But I think Shimeh is Jersusalem... and the Emporer is the ruler of what is suppose to be Byzantium. The stories are layered and edited and melded together so that the resemblance is loose. view post


posted 27 May 2005, 20:05 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSerwe/Esmenet as Mary Magdalen? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

[quote:3q5i5vs3]Scott has said that the lead characters in the Prince of Nothing are all inspired directly from common fantasy archetypes. Esmenet isn't Mary Magdalen and Mary Magdalen isn't Esmenet. Instead they both come from the same idea, the prostitute. The prostitute seeking salvation is an old idea. Mary Magdalen is one of its oldest examples. Esmenet is a much newer one. Semantically, I don't believe that "Esmenet stands for Mary Magdalen." Esmenet and Mary Magdalen share a common thought of origin. This common idea connects the both characters with each other as well as many other characters. [/quote:3q5i5vs3] OK, so all the representations we have of Mary Magdalene draw from mythological archetypes. Fine. But the pairing of archetypes in Bakker's books, creates a particular resonance - a possibly prophetic Kelhus, a redeemed whore, the circumfix as punishment that then becomes the symbol of the creed of the prophet risen from it... this is no accident. Not every whore resonates with MM, but one framed in all these ways sure does. That's all I really mean. They are not the SAME person because we are not reading a rendition of the Jesus story. BTW, we don't know that Mary Magdalene was actually some one who sold sex for money. She was a fallen/unrespectable woman, which throughout most of history could mean any woman who lived alone, acted on stage, or who went out on the street with her hair uncovered or unescorted (this is not just a Muslim thing, it Greeks, Romans, Jews, Byzantines, etc practiced as well). She was also a little looney tunes/touched in the head/holy. That's what the Gospel of Mary says, at least. the Redeemed Whore archetype is another story, a nonprophetic version of this is the representation of Justinian's wife, Theodora, who was an actress/dancer in her youth. She returns to the religious fold, becomes reformed and meets the not yet emporer... Most historical accounts indicate that her relationship with Justininian was based on mutual respect and shared intellect, as well as emotions. view post


posted 01 Jun 2005, 12:06 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe agenda of the skin spies and the Consult by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

As far as I remember, the Anasurimbor prophecy only says that an Anasurimbor will return again, but not what the Anasurimbor will do. That doesn't mean that an Anasurimbor will necessarily be the good guys, or the only one that can stop the Consult. Besides, Celomas (name butchering here, I don't have my books and my memory is not as good as WL's) didn't do so hot against the Consult. How is the world the same as the Apocalypse? I get the feeling that the present of the Holy War is something of a fallen state from past pre-Apocalypse grandeur. In most forms of Buddhism, reincarnation does not depend on consciousness of past lives. Everyone is reincarnated, but only the souls well advanced to enlightenment get their memories can access their past lives. The Seswatha thing is fascinating though. It's almost like a piece of his spirit controls certain things in all Mandate schoolmen. Apparently, you can screw over your order by withholding information and breaking the rules (running off with a woman). It even seems like he can teach Kelhus the Gnosis if he wants to. But he can't have the Gnosis forcibly extracted from him. But I wonder if this is an imprint of the dreams - all the torture Seswatha has undergone rendering any torture a Mandati undergoes less effective - or if there is an active princicple of Seswatha that actually intervenes at those moments. I think that the thing passing for Skeaos' reaction is indicative here, the thing actually seemed to see Seswatha in Akka. Why? And, if they are not sorcerous creatures, how? view post


posted 20 Jun 2005, 04:06 in Author Q & AThe importance of being Kellhus by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I like Kelhus too because of intellect and his strategic jockeying... I suspect it's because I'm an intellectual snob and I have a soft spot for guys that get away with things - I dated enough of them in college. From an "objective" point of views (i.e. just relating who he is and what he does to someone who has not read the books), Kelhus is a monster. But he's very seductive to read. view post


posted 28 Jul 2005, 03:07 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeYour less favourite characters by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I have to say that I for one hate Ikurei Conphas. I hate reading about him, I hate the idea of him. He's like some smart, cynical guys who thought they walked on water that I went to college with. Yick. view post


posted 28 Jul 2005, 03:07 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Cnair would be among my favorites but I just can't stomach his unmitigated brutality toward women. Akka is a up there, because he has a perplexed and conflicted quality that yields interesting though and deliberation. But, in the end, Kelhus has me completely transfixed. view post


posted 29 Jul 2005, 13:07 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Remember that what gave Cnair away when Moenghus rode away was that he cried. So everyone thinks he was Moenghus's lover (plus according to them, a very "unmanly" thing to do). Thus the betrayal of his father and the breaking of traditions is always in the shadow of the suspicion of homosexual behavior. That is part of why his tribe treats him with underlying contempt and disgust. If that makes him evil is another story. And probably why he strives to be uber masculine by beating his wives and killing the most men. In the middle ages, the accusation of sodomy was not often leveled at the actual instances of anal sex, rather during instances of "heresy", whether political or religious. This is one of those instances where the ambiguous charge applies. There is some homoerotic tension between Moenghus and Cnair, which Moenghus works to get Cnair toward the betrayal. And the muttering of his tribe afterward link the two inextricably. view post


posted 29 Jul 2005, 13:07 in The Warrior Prophetquestion about achamian? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I thoought that whether that was telepathy was left ambiguous - we could also assume Kelhus is hallucinating and that Akka is out of his mind with emotion over Esmi. I think it's meant to be ambiguous because we are supose to have this building feeling about some big change but not actually have a handle its actual contours. And, I agree, WL, no where from Kelhus's point of view do we actually hear that he intends to kill his father. He is suppose to do so, but the conversations he has with his father in his head are more about figuring out what dad is up to. To what he wants to know this is anyone's guess. Kelhus's motivations remain a big mystery. view post


posted 29 Jul 2005, 19:07 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Personally I'd rather live in a happy little delusion than a repeat rape filled horror fest. So it's Kelhus for me. view post


posted 29 Jul 2005, 22:07 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

OK, but Cnair "loved" his wife Anissi too. But now he's fogotten who she is and seems to have replaced her in his mind with Serwe. I think Cnair is too insane to really love anyone. He's obsessed with Serwe more than anything, which you could argue is Kelhus's doing. I am not trying to argue that Kelhus actually loved her or what not, but I don't think that what you see with Serwe is real love. It's mentioned that he even beats Anissi. Count me out! I guess this is a long winded way of saying I agree with you, there is just not black or white here. Sure, maybe we could say Akka "really" loves Esmi, but at the end of the day, he left her before and now, even after all his pretty promises, he left her again. view post


posted 30 Jul 2005, 02:07 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

And so you have! You have more posts than me and I've been a lazy lurker for a while now... it's an interesting forum, more interesting than most. I'm checking in after a while and perhaps I will see what's been said recently. The wait between books is brutal. Yes, I agree. Black and white is boring and trite. I like to live in the world of the book too, but I have always thought that you can never totally leave yourself behind. Thus is the curse (and blessing, if acknowledged) of the historian, no? Thus when I read history, I know the sources aren't just speaking for themselves, there is the mediation of the historian. And Bakker is in the here and now and what ever rendition he has given us of his world has an element of our time inevitably as the lens... view post


posted 30 Jul 2005, 15:07 in Author Q & AeXXXtremely Important questions which require answers. by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

May I point out that the peaches of women of different colors are, well, different colors... it's not all pink and peach...for those of you who have encountered multi-cultural peaches, you'll know what I am talking about. Personally, I find the word peach annoying. Sure, it's a great fruit, but it's something you gobble down and then throw the pit away. So I imagine a peach is appropriate if you only encounter it once. :oops: view post


posted 30 Jul 2005, 15:07 in Author Q & AeXXXtremely Important questions which require answers. by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

You can see it in European contexts too, but most common in darker, more olivey types. One hint is the color of nipples. Some are pink and some are darker, almost brown. Well, that usually indicates darker colors down under too. Like black red and purple. I have a Scandanavian friend who is like that - with brown hair and green eyes - who swears its the Finnish blood. view post


posted 30 Jul 2005, 15:07 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I knew it. Who the people in the face room are has been a point of wrangling for a while now. I knew it had to be the genetic "failures." The Dunyain reaction to the "pollution" of the dreams and their initial cause for sending Moenghus out in the first place - to see how far the security of Ishual had been breeched - made me think they were not in the habit of taking in wanding humans, not even as training fodder. And why would they muddy their breeding program with wild cards? And so, as a result of some major inbreeding, where the stakes rise with every generation, you are bound to get some major failures. As some of the kids get quicker and better, the possibility for the flip side increases as well. Witness European nobility - the Iberian royal families in particular. The Hapsburgs too. They were practically retarded by the end, punctated by hot, smart heirs. I second WL on the abysmal interval of finished book/waiting for publication. And it comes out two weeks before my general exams. So I have to wait even longer! :evil: view post


posted 30 Jul 2005, 19:07 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

No, we had yet to see hide or hair of female Dunyain and Bakker has been extremely tight lipped about it. Which leads me to think that we are going to see/hear something in TTT. We have to assume Dunyain have women since - aside form the obvious fact that Kelhus was most likely not hatched from an egg - he seems to understand things like signals of female physical attraction. view post


posted 30 Jul 2005, 19:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I've been out of the country for a while now... so what Blurb? Please direct me to the TTT blurb! view post


posted 31 Jul 2005, 20:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Thanks for this... and no, I hadn't heard of the search function... view post


posted 01 Aug 2005, 17:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionAges by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I turn 30 in November, but since I already starting lying months ago and telling everyone I was already 30 - it sounds so impressive - that let's just say I am 30. But to answer the question, 29. view post


posted 01 Aug 2005, 17:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionErikson? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Look, my husband is a MAJOR literature snob. He's all comp lit and theory and all that. One of his favorite writers, who he claims is a techical master is Tolstoy. Tolstoy makes me want to cry. His books are so boring that I don't care if he is a technical master, I still can't get through the three page description of LACE at the bottom of women's dresses without gagging. And when I gave him TDTCB to read he kept spluttering about how it was not technically good writing - limited is what he called it. But he finished the book and snuck TWP off my shelf and speed read it while I was out of town. So even though it didn't fall into his category of high literature, he couldn't put it down in spite of himself. I'm going to give him Erikson soon and I expect to have to hear complaints and criticisms, but he's be a hostage to the series, I know it already. As for me, I do think that Erikson's writing style is - according to my standards - tighter than Bakker's. But I think Bakker's thought is more developped and focused than Erikson's. There are moments in Erikson's books where I am not sure I like what is being implied about power and empire. Sometimes I think the ethical dimensions he is flushing out are ideologically motivated rather than exploratory. But it's still pretty complex and hard to pin down and I always end up second guessing my own suspicions. Still, I sometimes think the hard to pin down part is more a result of clumsiness than purposefulness. Still, Erikson is one of my favorites. I like Kay too, as different as they are. The man can tell a pretty good story. view post


posted 01 Aug 2005, 17:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

*****SPOILERS***** I'm re-reading Midnight Tides at the moment and am totally confused about the timeline. The second scene in the prologue takes place in 1159 of Burn's Sleep, which corresponds to three years before the Seventh Closure. The main body of the book begins a year before the Seventh Closure, meaning 1161 of Burn's sleep. The book takes place over a year, and so ends 1162 of Burn's sleep. And the main action of Gardens of the Moon- the fall of Pale -begins in 1163. What I don't understand is how Trull can be shorn and chained to the wall in the drowned world in the House of Chains prologue in 1159 of Burns Sleep if he is running around with his brothers in 1161!!!! Erikson timeline errors make Bakker's seem minor. Was there some later corrections that I don't know about that can ease this headache of mine? view post


posted 02 Aug 2005, 14:08 in Author Q & AA few questions . . . by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

What! no Dunyain females until AE! When Father and Son get together they don't ever even THINK how they are connected, via the all important MOM? Sigh. Yes, general exams, which are pretty stupid and ridiculous. You have to prepare a list of 50 books and 20 articles in 4 four fields and then each field supervisor has 30 minutes to ask you what ever they want about it. The reading is basically background prep for my dissertation and as a pool from which to draw syllabi material. Anticipating questions is basically knowing your professors. So yes, some thousand fold thinking would come in handy. Unfortunately, I only think in tens at the very most... view post


posted 04 Aug 2005, 01:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionSex by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Well, sex wise I am a female. Gender wise, I am a bit of a tomboy. Chick stuff isn't terribly interesting to me. Maybe because I study gender and see through some of the programming. But my mother told me I would strip naked everytime she tried to dress me in pink from when I was a wee thing, so maybe it's just a personality trait... view post


posted 04 Aug 2005, 13:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I wasn't sure if that was a typo or a realignment of the timeline... view post


posted 04 Aug 2005, 13:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat we look like by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

This is taken a few weeks ago in Paris...I'm in the middle... the last picture of me smoking...(no anti-smoking comments please, I still not over quitting just yet) view post


posted 04 Aug 2005, 13:08 in Author Q & AThe Status of Women and Some Real World Comparisons by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

That could be really interesting although there are some minefields, which I am sure you are aware of... for instance, portrayals of matrilineal societies (which doesn't necessary mean an egalitarian society) as primitive, or over the top evil because women are the measuring rods. Or more egalitarian societies (such as central asian tribal cultures) as uncivilized, barbaric, etc... What would be the implication of making the Sranc, a beastial and brutual race, an unnatural, engineered race by evil (as far as we know now) into the only matriarchial/matrilineal/what ever you are planning to do with them that contrasts with partiarchy? I can see you putting some kind of twist into this, although I can't anticipate it... ooo, juicy... view post


posted 04 Aug 2005, 14:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat we look like by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Hey that's no excuse, I study history too and I could attach the picture! When you are on the "post reply" screen, scroll down to the "add an attachment" button and hit it, then you "browse" and select the picture file and press "add attachment." view post


posted 04 Aug 2005, 18:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat we look like by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

It could be that your image is too large. If it is it flips you back to the top and tells you so in small print... view post


posted 08 Aug 2005, 20:08 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I vote for running, since there is no possible way to win... view post


posted 09 Aug 2005, 21:08 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

The assasination attempt appears more futile once you've read The Warrior Prophet. Don't want to spoil that here, but let's just say that if there is someone good enough to take Kelhus out, I don't want to meet them either! view post


posted 10 Aug 2005, 18:08 in Author Q & AThe Status of Women and Some Real World Comparisons by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

You are totally right about specific context determining the form and function of gender relations. You can really see the economically driven forms of modernized patriarchy (because really, in our time and place, that's what it is - you'd be hard pressed to find actual equality or gender blindness) when you look at modernization theory that drove development programs concocted in the US and undertaken in most third world countries. That is how in Iran you could have an essentially misogynist Shah who was a staunch supporter of women's education and their participation in the workplace. What I looked at in my MA thesis was the cost of this appropriation. Feminist goals became associated with authoritarian methods of control and implementation and "those irrational people" shied away as a revolutionary and democratic act. That's another kind of irony for you... Esmi as enslaved by liberation and the Sranc as the most equal. It's just interesting since level of Civilization so often uses "how they treat their women" as a litmus test. It would leave the ugly nagging feeling that these beasts are actually more "civilized" (a la moral imperative) than the so called civilized human cultures. That would resonate for the reader only - in the context of the book gender equality would probably be more proof of Sranc as animals. Is that how you bring out the irony? Playing on the dual level of the context of the book and the general context of the reader? view post


posted 10 Aug 2005, 18:08 in Author Q & AeXXXtremely Important questions which require answers. by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

cligina pronounced clij-eye-na I thought that one up over a few beers the other night... view post


posted 11 Aug 2005, 18:08 in Author Q & AThe Status of Women and Some Real World Comparisons by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Cynical Cat, so how do you explain the rise of indentured labor and labor relocation practiced by the British, particularly in South Asia, that resulted in almost identical conditions as slavery? Also, at about the same time as slavery was abolished, hard core racial biogotry solidified which posited whites against colored people as radical others. Before ideas of differences had been much more fluid and based on a vareity of factors. After the abolishion of slavery race became a much more exlusive and rigidified notion to contain socio-economic regimes that slavery had before held into place. Economics forms shifted with the spread of industrialization and European colonial domination and ideology morphed to readjust. If you want a look at the changing "moral" (I call them ideological) beliefs of the 19th century British empire in the context of anti-slavery activism and race (and gender), you could look at Catherine Hall's Civilising subjects : colony and metropole in the English imagination, 1830-1867. I learned alot from it. view post


posted 11 Aug 2005, 18:08 in Author Q & AThe Status of Women and Some Real World Comparisons by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Sorry about citations, I am writing a paper and in that mode... view post


posted 12 Aug 2005, 12:08 in Author Q & AThe Status of Women and Some Real World Comparisons by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I am not saying that economics is the only factor, I think it's a more interactive process. But slavery was not abolished by moral outrage. That was certainly the clarion call for activists to rally around. But changing socio-economic structures are what made the moral outrage possible in the first place. My point in bring up the changing attitudes of racism were meant to show that the abolition of slavery was not based on moral outrage that blacks are human beings and should not be treated as such - if that is the case, then why were racist attitudes that declared other races subhuman so widely embraced? Hall's book deals with that process in Batpist missionaries in Birmingham and Jamaica in the first half of the 19th century. view post


posted 13 Aug 2005, 13:08 in Author Q & AThe Status of Women and Some Real World Comparisons by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I am strictly talking about Britian, not the US. I am talking about Baptist ministers in the UK that spearheaded the anti-slavery movement. Many of them also moved to places like Jamaica that had plantation systems and began churches to "improve" black slaves. The slave revolts in Jamica and the great revolt in India (where most of the UK's cotton came from by mid century) discouraged many who began to think that "Improvement" for the brown/black person was impossible. And so they began to be seen as permanently (instead of temporarily) subhuman. Improvement was all about making them Westernized in habit and lifestyle and Christian. The ethnocentrism of this form of civilization or religion was totally unacknowledged and any sort of indegenous practices were viewed as heathen/barbaric. The UK didn't need slaves, they had colonies. Their richest was India and they had the entire country's revunue at their disposal and could control and shape the economy as they pleased. A whole series of justifications, each appropriate to it's own time, was given for this economic and political domination. It was much more acceptable than slavery, but every bit as profitable. Indians laborers made paltry wages for their work, but this was reinvested in the colonial economy and used to maintain themselves as laborers (and make new laborers). view post


posted 15 Aug 2005, 00:08 in Author Q & ATTT cover by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Looks like someone splattered blood all over it. Is that what's going to be left of me when I am done with the book! view post


posted 15 Aug 2005, 00:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I've listen to Cheb-i Sabbah's La Kahena all weekend. He mixes electronic music very artfully with (on this album) north and west african music and there's this funny song in North african colloquial whose refrain sounds like, "I know some shit." view post


posted 16 Aug 2005, 00:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow Reading... by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I just finished up The Persian Boy by Mary Renault. I don't know if anyone would like this as much as I did. It's about the last 7 years of Alexander the Great's life as told by the Persian eunuch who was his "beloved" (actually referred to this way in the Greek sources. It's a perfect rendition of a "Persian" love story with the lover as the slave of the beloved who lives out most of his life in abject separation from the beloved. It's historical fiction, but the love story really moved me, which is sort of shocking given how jaded and sardonic I am about those sorts of things. Am also in the middle of reading Midnight Tides for the second time - man those books make so much sense the second time around. I must have been seized with narrative lust the first time around that I missed alot. Also nosing lazily through White Mughals by William Dalrymple. It's sort of history lite about British in India. English Company man elopes with upper class "native" lady, converts to (gasp) Islam to do so (the author assumes we will all be shocked about this). The funny thing is that the woman is from an Iranian family and he never does deal with this. The background history is atrocious, partly because he is depending on secondary sources with little idea as to their quality and he clearly speaks no Persian or South Asian language. Still, my dissertation is on Iranians in India and Burma and this particular Iranian family was kind enough to leave lots of written records behind! And lots of boring British colonial documents about anti-Indian riots in Burma in the 1930s. For a paper. view post


posted 16 Aug 2005, 03:08 in Author Q & AThe Status of Women and Some Real World Comparisons by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

As a specialist on British colonialism (particularly in India), you're going to have a hard time selling benificent colonialism to me. I could bore you to death about how even seemingly "beneficial" aspects of colonialism were extremely detrimental, primarily because they were first and foremost self-serving. The british took over India at a time of political weakness and Thugees were dealt with just fine by local governments when things were running smoothly. Merchants made more money using a colonial workforce that was already in place and undercutting their competitors' comparative advantage through the demonization of slave labor. I am willing to grant you that many activists thought slavery was morally wrong and this is why they narrated (to others and themselves) that they were against it. But if we look at what morally wrong actually means in this context, given that non-white people were at the same time systematically colonized and de-humanized, this morality seems a little different from what you or I might expect from the term. view post


posted 30 Aug 2005, 03:08 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMost cruel act yet? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I think what Moenghus made Cnaiur do really takes the cake for me. Being tricked into betraying your own father unto death and then only after realizing you got played. Oh, and that the guy who tricked you knocked up your mom too and thus got her ripped to bits. And he's 14 when this happens? I totally sympathize with his homocidal tendencies. I don't know if I would actually try to kill Moenghus myself, but I would sure want to... view post


posted 01 Sep 2005, 20:09 in Author Q & ACharacter heights in Earwa by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

The tallest man I dated was 6'2" tall. Since I am 5' it made things like the spontaneous kiss impossible, unless I was satisfied with smooching the breastbone. Perception and actual height are two different things though. One can seem taller due to charisma or intimidating demeanor... or just a big mouth, which I suspect is the case with me... view post


posted 01 Sep 2005, 20:09 in Author Q & ACnaiur's prowess by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I remember Scott saying something, at some point, about some of the non-men going nuts from prolonged life spans or something. Going bonkers could lead to bad decisions, on purpose or not, or simply giving up. This could have leveled their numbers. Also, war among themselves? The non-man Kelhus meets up north was good at fighting, but wouldn't you be if you had thousands of years to practice? view post


posted 01 Sep 2005, 20:09 in Author Q & ACities by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

With the Fanim loose parallel, surely you mean the Seljuks, yes? Just mentioned it because according to the skill I learned when watching Sesame Street, in the list you gave, Seleucid was the one that didn't belong (time period wise). view post


posted 01 Sep 2005, 20:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionStarring "Insert Actor Here" as Kelhuss! by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I could see Liam Neeson as Cnauir, but not as Kelhus. Kelhus would have to be younger and hunky. I'm thinking Matthew McConaughey. Rachel Weisz as Esmenet. Jessica Alba as Serwe. Akka is difficult. It would have to be someone older and tortured looking. And not too good looking. view post


posted 01 Sep 2005, 23:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionStarring "Insert Actor Here" as Kelhuss! by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

The bubble headed, vain, shallow performance that Alba has given in her film career so far is perfect for Serwe, don't you agree? Of course she can't act, I am not suggesting that she can in thinking she'd be perfect for the role. I like Rachel McAdams too and, I think she CAN act. She'd be pretty great as Esmenet. Too smart looking to be Serwe. I really think you need someone who has vacant bimbo written all ove them for that roll. I wish Daniel Day Lewis could have a part, just because he is the best actor ever. view post


posted 04 Sep 2005, 00:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionStarring "Insert Actor Here" as Kelhuss! by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Miranda Richardson is in her late forties. Esmenet is 29. that's about the age difference between my mother and I. I think harding living would age her a bit, but not that much. There are a couple of stand out features about Esmenet in the book - she's attractive, she's got nice legs, and long dark hair. I agree that everyone shouldn't be all polished and shiny, but that's what makeup and costumes are for, right?! Scott didn't write all the actors as middle aged, dumpy Americans, right... Ryan Phillippe should be Conphas. He has that arrogant, aristocratic look. view post


posted 04 Sep 2005, 19:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionStarring "Insert Actor Here" as Kelhuss! by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I just meant that most of the characters in Bakker's book are not people that are ordinary looking. (Maybe except for Akka) Most of the main characters are described as rather extraordinary. view post


posted 05 Sep 2005, 19:09 in The Warrior ProphetCnaiur and Serwe by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

The book gives a two part answer. First, Serwe is Cnaiur's "proof" of belonging to the People, something his encounter with Moenghus casts some shadows on both for himself and other People... Kelhus identifies this as the basis of his attachment to Serwe and manipulates it as the only way he can find to manipulate Cnaiur, since all his direct attempts hadn't worked. So basically Cnaiur is nuts - by the end of the TWP, he confuses Serwe with his favorite wife at home Anissi (sp?) - and Kelhus is very good at tracking that insanity and harnessing it for his own ends. He sort of does the same thing with Serwe, who is off her rocker too. view post


posted 14 Oct 2005, 13:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThere's a listing for the release by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Now it is listed as February 2005. That's bad. I [i:1503bwwt]need[/i:1503bwwt] it for the second and third week of January. That's my window between orals and teaching. When is the amazon listing going to stabilize, damn it. view post


posted 14 Oct 2005, 13:10 in Author Q & ACities by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Well, the Seljuks did settle down in Baghdad and become "civilized" city folk pretty quickly. They ate up the Ghaznavids as an appetizer and then ruled the Abbasid puppet Caliphs from Baghdad. So maybe Fanim culture is late Abbasids, which would be the thoroughly Arabo-Islamicized Seljuks, whose nobles would be a whole slew of various folks... view post


posted 14 Oct 2005, 13:10 in Author Q & ACities by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I picked up one of Goodkind's books once and saw a defensive, jingoistic dedication to the "valiant" people of the CIA who keep the darkness at bay or some such hog wash and I promptly put the book back on the shelf and never picked one up again. How can you read the book of someone who is clearly an ignorant fool?! I don't really know that much about the medieval world, I just know a little because the classics of Persian literature were written in that period. I'm more of a late 18th, early 19th century kind of person. But Persian lit is a cumulative tradition and you have no context for the later stuff unless you read from the 9th century onwards... view post


posted 26 Oct 2005, 19:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

[quote:3lvf6vit]Now there is that little problem of how the Consult was able to trick the Scarlet Spires that the Chisaurim were behind it, but that seems (to me at least) far less of a stretch than Moenghus purposefully directing a 300 k army with the most powerful anagogic school accompanying directly against himself. [/quote:3lvf6vit] You realize that Moenghus could view this as perfectly logical if he thinks that perparation for the second Apocalypse can only come through forging the Fanim and the Inrithi through the crucile of Holy War. It sounds like something that would make sense to the totally amoral Dunyain who see only the shortest path. view post


posted 26 Oct 2005, 19:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Sorry, I mean crucible. I can't spell. view post


posted 26 Oct 2005, 20:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Well, he sent for his son knowing full well he'd have to get through hordes of Sranc and the northern waste and would probably only get out by the skin of his teeth. He probably knows his training and his sons and perhaps has calculated all the odds. The hardships of the journey are part of preparing Kelhus. We have to assume Daddy is tough as nails and will survive almost any circumstances. Plus, he is in a position of power, so we know he is somewhat protected. I don't get the feeling that the Mandati are that tight-lipped about prophecies since they add to the credibility of the Mandate's mission. I think a general ignorance of the prophecies is because most in the Three Seas don't believe in the mission anymore. The gnosis is another matter and tight lipped doesn't even begin to describe it. view post


posted 28 Oct 2005, 15:10 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Wait, he did? Enslaved by the Sranc? I guess I haven't read the books in a while - can you tell me where it says that? view post


posted 01 Nov 2005, 16:11 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Head for the Shallows by Big Business! The singer is the last living member of Karp and his voice is utterly haunting! view post


posted 02 Nov 2005, 15:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

The Cishaurim are definitely not blind. Else how would the Cishaurim at the end of TWP have been able to spot Kelhus on the roof top and sail over to him. They see through those snakes around their necks. The blinding (like so many mystic and shaman practices) is suppose to open a different kind of sight, which probably has something to do with being able to access the Puske (sp?) and why other sorcerers can't see it. And then they can somehow see through the snake's eyes. view post


posted 10 Nov 2005, 15:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

We are certain that Moenghus is a member of the Cishaurim and controls a faction within it. If we accept that he is a mastermind of the Holy War, in order to make the war feasible, some extraordinary circumstance would have to make a School march with the Inrithi. I think Moenghus arranged the attack on the Scarlet Spires to create such a circumstance - the need for revenge against the Cishaurim. It seems to have worked. The Scarlet Spires is the biggest School in the Three Seas and without them, the Inrithi would be slaughtered by the Cishaurim. Sorry for my spellings, I am hung over. view post


posted 10 Nov 2005, 17:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Yes, but perhaps he thinks that the mobilization and transformation of the disparate groups and interests of the Three Seas can only be done through the crucible of war. The Kian are basically defeated by what is now the largest army in the Three Seas and a lean, mean fighting machine. They are united behind the Circumfix with Kelhus having sacred status at the helm. And I think it is through this process that the Consult even become reality, since so many think they are the fantasies of delusional Mandati. Perhaps the way to win against the Consult requires tactics that would have gone against the grain of the imaginable but now can be accepted through Kelhus. Of course, we'll see how much Kelhus can really control now in TTT. Nothing ever is as total as it seems. view post


posted 15 Nov 2005, 02:11 in Author Q & ARecomended Ancient Miltary History? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

It's not exactly ancient history, and it deals mainly with Europe (one chapter on China), but I'm reading William H. McNeill's The Pursuit of Power: Technology, Armed force and Society since A.D. 1000. view post


posted 19 Nov 2005, 19:11 in Author Q & ARecomended Ancient Miltary History? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I only read the one chapter on the formation between 1000-1600 of what he calls "the military commercial complex" in Europe. He traces the developments of warfare, both offensive and defensive, from the crossbow to the gun, to different ways of building city walls to protect against the changing assault weapons, and ties these changes to economic and commercial shifts on a mundane, political and regional levels. I thought it was fascinating, although his long term historical analysis of Europe in relation to the rest of the world was highly problematic. He writes this anticipatory history where everything that happened in 1300 was a preordained beginning of the eventual military domination of Western Europe over the rest of the world. As if what happens 500 years later is inevitable and there is no historical contingency. His only non-European example is China, which he lets stand for the whole non-European world. He obviously has zero knowledge of the way the British took over Bengal, the financial and military base of what they later conquered in the East. Bengal was taken through the colloboration of Bengali bankers, by floating them capital and buying off a general for the British, who promised them trade concessions, they weren't getting from the Nawab of Bengal. It had nothing to do with British military prowess, which did not attain supremecy until the very end of the turn of the 19th century. In the middle of the eighteenth century, Nadir Shah of Iran had the most advanced and effective fighting force probably in the world (and the British sources who watched him invade India all agreed). But I digress. If you take the wider conclusions he draws, which rest of ridiculous generalizations of Oriental Despotism, with a rock of salt, it's fun to read. view post


posted 08 Dec 2005, 19:12 in The Warrior ProphetCnaiur and Serwe by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

ALL? Don't you think that renders his sexuality a little overdetermined. What about cultural norms and his defiance of them? The seduction is a betrayal of his people's ways and of his father. It is not because he loved Moenghus (which we don't know if it was sexual for sure) that he might not be one of the people, but Moenghus lured him into betraying his people and father. Social betrayal and homoerotic transgressions usually had to overlap for the charge of sodomy to be leveled. There is no such thing as homosexual identitiy (in terms of one's sexual preferences determining the rest of their subjectivity) before the late 19th century. I can point you to a long list of scholarly work to support this contention. The question is, has Bakker written Cnaiur's sexuality anachronistically or are you reading modern day ideas of sexual determinism into the work? view post


posted 12 Dec 2005, 22:12 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I'm afraid you are wrong. Christian soldiers fought against Muslims - sarascen is a derogatory slur and I don't care to use it shorn of quotation marks - in Spain and Italy before the Crusades. In both cases soliders were required by the Church to repent their sin of killing another human being. At the start of the first Crusade, the Pope issued a Bull saying that killing a Muslim (or a Jew, thousands were slaughtered in the Rhineland by the Crusaders on their way to the Middle East) was outside this definition. A lot had to do with the collapse of the Roman Empire and the relative poverty of Christian European kingdoms vis a vis the more cultured and wealthy Muslim Spain. The former denounced the latter as morally corrupt to make themselves feel better (to grossly simplify things). The representations of Muslim which followed made the later Papal Bull possible. view post


posted 12 Dec 2005, 22:12 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I didn't mean to imply that being a soldier was a sin in itself, since protection against direct agression was seen as a necessary evil (violence-wise), but breaking a commandment was breaking a commandment, and if you killed someone you had to confess and repent at the end of the day. I do wonder how this view varied with the various Eastern Christian churches. view post


posted 13 Dec 2005, 01:12 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

OK, although most Crusaders were from the Catholic kingdoms. But, what were we originally talking about of which the historical example was a part? view post


posted 15 Dec 2005, 15:12 in The Warrior ProphetCnaiur and Serwe by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Well put. I agree with that. However Moenghus may have used Cnaiur erotically (among other ways) I was having a difficult time picturing him as someone who belonged on a Harley in a gay pride parade. He is too erratic and heterogenous in general. view post


posted 18 Dec 2005, 06:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionStarring "Insert Actor Here" as Kelhuss! by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

What's up with your signature quote - what's all this about suave ways of getting women to shut up? view post


posted 18 Dec 2005, 15:12 in Off-Topic DiscussionStarring "Insert Actor Here" as Kelhuss! by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

You don't have to remove it, I don't deal with things that pique my annoyance through demands for censorship. But I was wondering if you could tell me what it means, what you think it might be saying. view post


posted 04 Apr 2006, 02:04 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat we look like by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

That is a great picture! view post


posted 23 May 2006, 14:05 in Off-Topic DiscussionWhat we look like by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Am I seriously retarded? How the hell do you attach a picture?! view post


posted 14 Dec 2007, 03:12 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Top 10 list of things to do while waiting on Great Ordeal. by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Do we not know when the next book is to be released? view post


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