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posted 18 Jun 2006, 06:06 in The Warrior ProphetA really silly observation from TDtCB about Cishaurim by Callan S., Auditor

I can't remember, but does the book endorse the precaution as a sensible one? People kill people all over the place in those books (people die to the rediculously inane regularly). It fits in amongst the rest of the madness, more than being practical deterent in any way. view post


posted 18 Jun 2006, 06:06 in The Warrior ProphetWhat about akka and esme. by Callan S., Auditor

Esmi never actually accepted Akka as dead (I don't have any mental note of it, anyway), even after the seduction. The pivotal point, rather IMO, was the unearthing of the truth about her...dead...daughter. To me, I'm amazed at how much Kellhus killed her. She had so much dimension before. If you imagine your fingers stepled against each other, that creatures a three dimensional structure as they apply pressure to each other. Kellhus killed one side of that pressue - the secret of her daughters 'death'. So the other side of the steeple falls flat and the dimension that was here, collapses and vanishes. Esmet didn't 'dump' akka, IMO, she died (in as much as if your pains define you, what happens when someone kills your pain?). This new woman loves Kellhus. Then again, from her perspective it's apparent she's vanished. But after the chapters which talk about the inner and outer part of a person and how oen can't see the other, she says to Kellhus he says such delicious lies. Perhaps her insides have collapsed, but somehow her outside is still the esmet from before, the one who still loves/is an essential component of akka. view post


posted 05 Aug 2006, 13:08 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Callan S., Auditor

I wonder if the no god is simply absense. It's thought it powered by absense. While a human mind values one factor over another, but with the no god, well...imagine two objects leaning against each other. What happens when you pull one away? That's how the mind of the no god works - it's simply the result of absence of other things. It doesn't think, it is the result of non thought eating at thought. view post


Re: Questions posted 05 Aug 2006, 13:08 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="Dagda":3r2ua8wp]Question: Is it me, or are the female charactors in the series all whores, or just women in the process for being used?[/quote:3r2ua8wp] Relative to the men of the series, who are obviously empowered and not whores, cause their doing stuff? The women should get mor 'screen time'. But given the society that's being examined, they get a fair bit. Though I never like Serwe's examination in the first book - woman under horrible raped pressure. It's too blunt an examination to be anything that hasn't been done too many times before. view post


Re: Akka and Kelhus will be the Greatest Ordeal posted 16 Jun 2007, 21:06 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Akka and Kelhus will be the Greatest Ordeal by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="kariyas":2nhetwz8]This be my first post and I just finished reading the book. Man I am so pumped up after that ending. What an Evil person Kelhus is. He took everything from Akka and what does he get in return? A Thanks? NO he doesnt even get Esmi back. That Fricking Ungreatful Harlet!! Im sooo mad that she doesnt realise what a mistake shes making. All that said and done. what a read that was. I feel like Akka has been awoken, almost unleashed u might say. Hes so ganster to not even LOOK the emperor when he called his name. he just paused , listened and walked away.. And he denounced him as a prophet!!! This is the Akka I was hoping to see, the dont give a **** Akka. And he also denounced Esmi which was hard to read but was the right thing.[/quote:2nhetwz8] He ingored an emporer, he denounced a prophet...a god, just about. But he didn't denounce her...he stammered, he lied to himself. That's the sort of love that's being described here - emporers and gods are meaningless in it's wake. And she isn't making a mistake - she takes her position as to be the best thing for everyone. And by and large she's right. But she also knows it's a lie to herself - remember the consult possessed her and found she didn't really love Kelhus. Kelhus recognised that too. She loves a better world, a better hope for everything. She wants that to come before all else, its the RIGHT thing. And it's a lie. She loves Akka more than all of that. She just hasn't had the choice layed before her yet - him or the world. She hasn't had to face having to give up one for the other. view post


posted 16 Jun 2007, 22:06 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Breaker of Horses and Men by Callan S., Auditor

I always wondered if it was something about me, that I never thought he was insane. I don't like him - it was Akka that got me through the first book. But he's never struck me as insane, like the back of the novels always refered to him as... ...now, a broken heart....that I can see. view post


posted 19 Jun 2007, 08:06 in The Warrior ProphetEsmet's betrayl, Bakker's massogeny, and a criticism by Callan S., Auditor

I think there are some misogynistic beliefs involved in the accusation of mysogyny in the authors works. A woman earns money through sex, and latter there are several notable men she sleeps with. "Oh my god, what a misogynistic writer he is, to have her to do all those horrible things!" I think it's pretty mysoginistic to consider those things horrible by default. It's deciding why a woman would choose to do those does not matter in the least ("Who cares why she did it, that doesn't matter, it's horrible!"). That's misogynistic, in my mind. The idea that she just flounces along to the next strongest man only has wind to it if you decide for her that her choice to have sex with them is horrible. view post


posted 19 Jun 2007, 08:06 in The Warrior ProphetLogos is theft by Callan S., Auditor

Know those beatles who learn the antenae movements to prompt ants to give them food? That's the dunyain. I wouldn't describe as theft though, but betrayal right at level of blood. The dunyain are humans, who wouldn't exist if not for the aspirations and efforts of humans before them. Their complete disconection from world born, where they offer nothing to that which brought them a chance to exist here, is betrayal of origin. It's actually more logical the way world born by and large work together. The dunyain, while it values itself, ignore the origins of what it values. This is much like pushing your queen forward without being protected by pawns, simply because they are pawns and worldborn. That's an irrational move, somewhere in their history, and carried forward perfectly by their exacting discipline. Damn I'd love a book about their history as refugees! See, I always thought Kelhus is a complete non character, like a cyclone or avalanche in a story isn't a character. The only character you see in him is when he briefly feels for Esme's safety, or when he briefly hurts at hearing a consult say (correctly) she doesn't really love him. He's empty - he's just a reflection of some choice someone made, wayyyy back in the refugee period and carried through perfectly. I want to see what tipped the avalanche off! view post


posted 19 Jun 2007, 08:06 in The Warrior ProphetLogos is theft by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="TheDarkness":7y85ss7v]right. feelings and emotions come out of the darkness. one must tame the "legion" within ones self and become the self movng soul.[/quote:7y85ss7v] Yeah, but why? Why become a self moving soul? The books never get into exactly [i:7y85ss7v]what [/i:7y85ss7v]in the darkness that comes before decided on this. Never mind that if it is moved to find it, it is an impossible goal - moved to find a way of not being moved? It's a goal that cancels itself. view post


posted 19 Jun 2007, 10:06 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Breaker of Horses and Men by Callan S., Auditor

Well, exactly - no reference point except that hate, and that hate was based on...the person he loved, utterly. view post


posted 07 Nov 2007, 07:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtFinished TTT today - my thoughts... Holy War as training - by Callan S., Auditor

Acha carried me through the books - when Kelhus leaves behind the trapper who saved his life, I took a backstep. When he latter killed the child who spotted his group, I took him to be an empty killer - more like an avalanche than a character. He happens to people, rather than interacts with them, like a storm or an earth quake happens to people. Anyway, in terms of the war remember Moenghus realised the spiritual world (or whatever you'd call it) existed - and that by killing enough people, the link to it could be severed. Removing the potential for salvation...and more importantly, damnation. And Moenghus knew he was damned. The war was the first staging ground of mass butcherings for this purpose. And it would lead his son to learn the truth of the matter...sadly for Moenghus, Kelhus was more than truth at the end. view post


posted 07 Nov 2007, 09:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Callan S., Auditor

That's because their love is beyond all the things that are happening, connected right at that spiritual plane Kellhus describes at one point. They can't see the immensity of their love for each other, because the only means to see it are though non immense, utterly mundane things. They are beyond those things, yet through those things are the only way to see each other, their true love. They are blind to each others presense, because their love is so strong it's beyond sight and vision. Eh, that's how I see it. I see it that that scene at the end, it was just them - they were above all that happened there. view post


posted 07 Nov 2007, 09:11 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWhy did the consult kill xerius? by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="cloust":20bpe35a]The other idea, that the skin spy was forced to kill xerius becuase he inadvertantly felt her erection seems more plausible. But then again why didn't the skin spy just run away? Why kill xerius when it went against the consult's wishes?[/quote:20bpe35a] Skin spies sexuality is only sparked when they are going to kill. It had an erection because it had been sent to kill. view post


posted 07 Nov 2007, 09:11 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeSkaeos...huh? by Callan S., Auditor

I remember Kellhus chiding himself after for looking too long at Skaeos (the skin spy traits were completely unexpected) and setting off something without intending too. view post


The desire not to be slave to the darkness, comes from...? posted 06 Jun 2008, 04:06 in Author Q & AThe desire not to be slave to the darkness, comes from...? by Callan S., Auditor

I was wondering, on rereading the darkness that comes before, whether something I noticed is intentional. There was a section talking about why the dunyain pursue the logos, and it talked about their thoughts not being their own and because of that they will always be slaves. And they don't want to be slaves to the darkness. Heh, it's probably an effect of the novels making me ask, but why? It occurs to me the desire not to be slave to the darkness would come from the darkness itself. Why resist slavery? Why - it's not just some word desire, it comes from somewhere else. The darkness. I was wondering if it was intended to be presented that way? If not, no big deal, but atleast for me it puts a different spin on things. :) view post


Re: sranc posted 06 Jun 2008, 04:06 in The Darkness That Comes Beforesranc by Callan S., Auditor

They're also described as having exquisitly beutiful faces, but in a stark kind of way - like a manequin, I suppose. Basically they sound like their designed for shock and awe, as well as everything else. view post


Re: Why did the Dunyain learn how to fight? posted 06 Jun 2008, 04:06 in Author Q & AWhy did the Dunyain learn how to fight? by Callan S., Auditor

They don't fight. They dominate circumstance. >:) view post


Re: Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 07 Jun 2008, 05:06 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by Callan S., Auditor

It might be worthwhile considering why your making a policy about how other people live. I don't mean that in a 'you should let people live their own lives', I mean it in a 'Why think about other people at all?'. You'll no doubt have a reason, but you may have to find it first. view post


Re: Getting the words down. posted 11 Jun 2008, 01:06 in Writing TipsGetting the words down. by Callan S., Auditor

Not that I know a solution (I'm quite writers blocked myself), but from reading the thread, here's a hypothetical solution (I'll have to go off and try it myself, after typing it). Forget trying to acheive anything. Write down one word, in large letters, that you just find fun to [i:htboa6ex]look at[/i:htboa6ex], in some way. The key to this is that writing pays off instantly, if you write a word that's fun. You write, you get instant pay off. This starts to set up a possitive feedback loop. Now, while thinking about how that word is fun, see if you can find another word that is fun to just look at. They don't have to form a sentence, but if they start to form a fun sentence, even better. Finally, limit your writing. Yes, limit! Set a number of words that you will write - no, not an amount your trying to write! It's an amount at which point you stop the session of writing! Again this is about positive feedback. If you keep on writing and writing and writing, you will definately hit some suck point. But with a limit, you are more likely to hit the limit on a high note - this will mean your writing sessions are more likely to end on a posstive note. This trains yourself to like writing more and more, because it always seems to pay off instantly. As I said, I should go practice what I suggest, myself :O view post


Re: What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 26 Jun 2008, 00:06 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by Callan S., Auditor

Aye, I was going to say that. But keep in mind, their mastery of circumstance isn't complete - that's why Kellhus leaves the monastary, because circumstances still control the Dunyain. Well, at the very least his dad thought mastery of magic was the next shortest step in mastering all circumstance, ergo, all circumstance is not yet mastered. Eventually circumstance makes one or more enter into the world - circumstance deciding their mission. What creeps me out is that the idea of such a monastary is kind of not terribly out of the ordinary. Wartorn refugees with their emotions torn from them make withdrawal from emotion part of their goals and manage to find a hiding spot. They, in their cold way, are able to set up a rigid breeding program as well. The set themselves to their task for a great deal of time, without the deviations that emotions create. Weve had enough wars in enough places over enough millenia that...it just doesn't seem very epic fantasy. In a long, drawn out way, it could be taken as a moral as to why you should avoid war - you might end up making Dunyain. view post


Re: Hello posted 26 Jun 2008, 10:06 in WelcomesHello by Callan S., Auditor

Welcome to green! :) view post


Does Scott still haunt these boards? posted 26 Jun 2008, 11:06 in General DiscusssionDoes Scott still haunt these boards? by Callan S., Auditor

Looking at some threads here: http://www.sffworld.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=41 I sooooo want to chew some fat on some of these topics! I read somewhere he realises he tends to overindulge in forums if he indulges at all, so it's either full on forums or full on book writing. Fair enough. But I wonder if he glances at these forums still. I kind of want to engage him on the topics, since the question of the PON series engaged me. For example in one interview he said [quote:1darhejl]There's going to be people who deny this stuff come hell or high water, just as there's people who can't abide evolution or the heliocentric solar system. Truth be told, I'm one of them. I believe there has to be something to my experience of free will, but all the credible evidence is piling up on the other side, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. All I can do is stomp my foot and say, "No! It just can't be." [/quote:1darhejl] And I realised he's writing specifically about a diamacles sword he feels poised above him (excuse my spelling of diamacles). He doesn't want it to be there, and yet he can't stop paying intimate attention to it! It really gave a surprising understanding. The horendousness of the books events, where people just die in the rush for water as just one example, makes the specific reasons for describing that story event, important. I suppose I pursue it because...on one hand it might be to make it easier to digest. If I can see the inclination behind saying it, I can easier form an answer. But on the other hand, the wording isn't cold - it isn't verbatim details revealed. There's human accentuation and emphasis there still. I will not just see the writing as showing what happened, when it doesn't, it contains opinion as well. I guess I don't like to mix up opinion and reality (even an imagined reality). But at the same time I see the importance of the events depicted (the importance coming from how, to a degree, they paralel our own history). I really want to sift opinion from event, and that requires a chat! I should have swung in when I first read the PON series, might have had more luck! But I was overloaded at that time! view post


Re: Perceptions of Reality posted 01 Jul 2008, 04:07 in Philosophy DiscussionPerceptions of Reality by Callan S., Auditor

I think you have to remember that, being alive, your essentially biased. You have an agenda in terms of life and continuation*. To a degree, that means absolute truth is absolutely worthless to you. It'd have to actually meet your bias somehow to be worth something and it wont. It's absolute truth, devoid of bias. At an elemental level and upward, you have no use for it, so at an elemental level and upward, you will not pursue it. Your essentially outside of truth, because of living bias. However, I'm quite against 'Oh, realities whatever you make it!' and such statements. There is a truth to the bias as well, and it is not that, as far as I can see. The bias has rules and structure. Your inability to percieve absolute truth doesn't mean your meeting the needs of your bias by throwing up your hands in the air about reality and the truth of it. It's not so much that we need absolute truth, its that we need to meet the goals of our living bias, and by the typical nature of that bias, some amount of absolute truth is a means to that end. I think, anyway. I've raced ahead a bit there - there's a few points which are long discussions in themselves, but I've moved ahead to further points, and points beyond those. Ah well! :) * If you don't, your probably dead and not reading this! view post


Re: Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 01 Jul 2008, 04:07 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by Callan S., Auditor

Then regardless of whether a human has the right to live, you would think that, yeah? Whether they have the right, or society gives the right, or whether there is no such right anywhere in existance, you would still think that. Then your thinking is quite outside of any system of rights. It's a bit off topic of me, but I think your original question might be in conflict with itself a bit. You would not be constrained by any such 'rights' structure, anyway, thinking as you wish. Is the the idea of rights important to the thread? Or does it matter in that it's handy to reign in other human beings who might otherwise threaten the thing you care about? The idea of rights might be a second can of worms. view post


What happens when your body leaves your soul? posted 01 Jul 2008, 04:07 in Philosophy DiscussionWhat happens when your body leaves your soul? by Callan S., Auditor

Sorry, couldn't resist the alternate wording! Doesn't feel the same to say it that way, does it? I suppose it comes from a milenia of seeing people die and feeling they have left, from that perspective of the bedside sitter. Also the sentence structure breaks the idea that the body houses the soul, and instead the soul houses the body. Words are fun, aren't they!? view post


Re: Availability?? posted 01 Jul 2008, 04:07 in NeuropathAvailability?? by Callan S., Auditor

Awwww! Why doth thou punish Australia with thine realease dates! :( view post


Re: The desire not to be slave to the darkness, comes from...? posted 01 Jul 2008, 05:07 in Author Q & AThe desire not to be slave to the darkness, comes from...? by Callan S., Auditor

Best serves what further goals? Wouldn't any further goals also come from the darkness? Pursuit of the logos would make one infalable at pursuing further goals doesn't make sense without some generator of further goals to actually pursue. view post


I don't understand how the word 'will' is being used posted 02 Aug 2008, 00:08 in NeuropathI don't understand how the word 'will' is being used by Callan S., Auditor

I wonder if this will be overly revealing of my mental make up and show some great gulf between myself and everyone else (though on looking at what I typed, worrying about that stuff is pretty damn common, so ironically perhaps I shouldn't worry?). But I don't quite get the usage of free will in the book, and with that, I don't quite get the identification of it being an illusion. When I was a kid I, probably alot of kids at some point have tried to 'not think'. I couldn't bloody do it - I would try and then some thought about trying or how the last time failed, would show up - not in words at first, but more like a blip on a radar. Then after a fraction of a section I could turn it into words and reflect on the thought I'd had (it was past tense, even if only by a fraction of a second or so) and kick myself for having thought. I actually wanted the feeling of tranquility I imagined I'd get if I could do it. The bastards would always get through before I could stop them - indeed if it wasn't one random thought that got through, ironically it was the thought of stopping thoughts. That's as I recall from a long time ago - I don't want to try again, it's bloody frustrating. Anyway, I could sense it as a blip, then it'd become words and crap after. I suppose there could be a time where I wasn't even aware of it as a blip, but then again I didn't attach any big understanding or feeling of personal control knowing it was a blip either. Also, since the brain is electrical, it was some electric blip somewhere even if I didn't see it as a blip yet, so there, ha ha! :) I didn't have any shock revelation from it then, but I thought it a good example of my understanding to work from here. As far as I can tell, memory, impulse or input stirs a thought, it shows up as a blip, then after a short bit, you can observe your own thought as words. Yeah, I'm not really aware of the whole process - is that the illusion? I'm not sure how to describe this - when a magician asks you which hand he's holding a coin in, and you say "No thanks, not right now - I can see I don't know and it's a mystery to work on at some point, but I've got dinner to cook right now" are you under an illusion of 'knowing' how it works? Surely you can only be under an illusion if you come to a conclusion - if you leave it as a mystery, uncertain, then your just in the world of uncertainty (as usual, one might say). I certainly don't feel enlightened or free of a bunch of stuff, so that'd make me inclined to think I fit the bill for the illusion of free will described. But I can see that input sets off thoughts - usually passions first, then these filter through and at some point I can see a translation of what's going on. I would say that inputs or passions can set off structures of thought, and two thought structures can interact and the passions kind of communicate in a way that can set off other passions and more thoughts, in a wonderful cascade. But those starting passions still need to be set off from the outside, or from something inside but who's source can be considered outside (the outside source for the inner source, if you go back far enough, is a certain big bang. More in the short term it's from our evolutionary history). I can't grasp where the illusion lies, except yeah, I don't know the processes involved. But as I noted above, I don't always care, I've got dinner to cook or whatever. Or I do reflect on it bit, like now. But it's always a stab in a certain direction rather than any presumption of a full grasp. I do feel I have a strong understanding of structures - like a good chess player might feel he understands the game. But I'm aware things all to easily 'go sideways', so that I feel that IF the structure is the one I know about, then I feel I have a strong understanding. The game I know isn't nessersarily anything to do with this world. But the game I know, I know well and feel pride about that, even if it isn't applicable. It'd be like taking pride in your chess knowledge, even though that's not about to feed and shelter you. Technically I think I get the idea that the subject thinks when he experiences the thought, that's when it occured. And the thought he experienced at the point, he thinks he willed it at that very time - thus ignoring the many previous contraptions that came before that. I can sort of imagine the distortion that'd provoke, simply out of that impulse/recogntion lag fluctuating and sometimes, ironically, willed fluctuation of that time (getting drunk would be an easy example, simulationism in roleplay might be another). Eh, too weird a post? Well, you all might find some use in comparison and contrast, anyway. view post


Re: The desire not to be slave to the darkness, comes from...? posted 02 Aug 2008, 04:08 in Author Q & AThe desire not to be slave to the darkness, comes from...? by Callan S., Auditor

I think with the TT, he encountered a sort of meta conciousness which wasn't made by men but was the original. The one men sort of copied when they made their version, so as to be close. By meta conciousness I'm talking about stuff like a race or religion - it's one big organism spread across thousands of brains. But race and religion, massive creatures that they were, were a sort of just a grasping for the meta conciousness of the planet. It's funny - in the darkness that comes before, when Kelhus leaves the monastary, at one point he gets lost in a trance looking at a twig he found in his shoe. Eventually it drops from his fingers at nightfall. In TTT, when he calls out to that thing, he finds a twig in his shoe. This time he sees one branch of it is green, the other dead. It's like it was calling out to him from the beginning, but like world born he couldn't hear it - he just had the dunyain meta conciousness substitute, just like world born have their race and religion. But he's still not working for it - he denied it, saying he couldn't tell them (the world born) the truth. Personally I think he's seen the light (perhaps simply at a clinical level - the true meta conciousness can grant the self moving soul), but will still walk a damned path because it is the shortest one to helping the goal of the light. His own damnation doesn't make a path any less short. It'd be kind of like a mad mix of completely reptilian calculating and absolute personal sacrifice. view post


Re: Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 02 Aug 2008, 05:08 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by Callan S., Auditor

That was probably a confusing post. The idea is that while your writing up human rights, your actually not a follower of human rights. That your amoral at that drafting stage. But by the same token, these rights don't write themselves :) view post


Re: My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 02 Aug 2008, 08:08 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by Callan S., Auditor

Neil refers to himself as a neuronaut - just the once though, so it's easy to miss. As for the ending - well, some people were annoyed with the Trueman show, that they didn't show him hooking up with the love interest in the real world (though it was pretty obvious they would). Are you like that - you want the ends to be wrapped up, rather than imagined? Personally I think both the Trueman show and Neuropath end on a question - "What would YOU do at that point?". There's more than just watching the author do his thing and finish - I think it's an interesting question where would you go with the story if you were stuck in that position? view post


And another thing :) Emotion is 'just' a process? posted 04 Aug 2008, 09:08 in NeuropathAnd another thing :) Emotion is 'just' a process? by Callan S., Auditor

I bet you thought I was going to argue it's more than that! Oddly, I'm just going to argue about it being judged in a negative way. There's a few points where I would say emotive language is used to describe emotions as being 'just' a process. I think the word 'just' was used at some point (if pressed, I'll go check). There's a sort of blind spot in describing emotions as just a process, and that is it's done with a dismissive attitude. A dismissive attitude would be another emotion - so it's an emotion process scowling and stamping its feet that other emotions are a process. If the other emotions are meaningless, then being dismissive of them is also a meaningless act - why go against them when to look down on them is just to vaunt the emotion process of derision above all other emotion processes? I'm thinking perhaps Scott is in that blindspot, looking down on an emotion even as that looking down is just another emotion, and so the character Neil is written to operate under that blindspot too - Neil is actually acting out a passion (disdain for mere process) while supposedly removing such illusionous emotion processes. (Kelhus too, me thinks, but that's another post). Then again perhaps it's just trying to interrogate the idea your supposed to be spiritually beyond such processes (and some emotive language slipped in). But in that case - well, anyone who thinks in terms of spirituality accepts that if you die, you spirit isn't involved anymore. What's the difference between having say (sorry to be grisly) having all your head blown off, and having just a certain connector in your head broken? Doesn't that kill you just as much - like the guy in the book who can't recognise faces - what he was died? Aren't you spiritually beyond process if damage disconnects the true you just as much as death disconnects the true you from the body? Sure, what's left might say 'Hey, it's still me!'. And...well, lets put it this way - if you wrote down a bunch of goals and were achieving them, then took the mental structural damage, then went on living saying 'It's me!' but checked the list and found you were just not doing all the goals you did before - you might recognise that your not the same person. Or you might like to put it that your only part of the spirit you were before - only part of that spirit you previously were is channeled through your mind. And maybe also a new type of spirit is also being channeled now - a mix of old and something new. That'd keep the idea of spirit intact. Or you might not recognise it, but that doesn't make much difference. Plenty of people don't recognise they have gambling or drinking problems, but you don't assume they have lost the spirit you normally attribute to them. Just because someone wouldn't recognise they are not meeting the goals of their old selves, doesn't mean the spirit world you normally attribute to them is gone. Changed, perhaps, but that's life. Am I covering the books main issues, or am I rushing in with a rationalisation like the book says people do? view post


Re: My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 06 Aug 2008, 00:08 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by Callan S., Auditor

I dunno. I don't read alot of thrillers, so I was comparing the structure to the VI Washowski books by Sara Paretski. In those often solid blocks are devoted to either contemplating the killers motives, VI's past or some other characters past. In neuropath, the arguement is both motive, the protagonists past and the antagonists past. However, it's not really put into practical terms for the characters (and thus, it isn't put directly into practical terms for the reader). Indeed, I thought the conversations were unrealistic in how people would just sit and listen to Bible, for the most part. People don't - and it's in their protestations of "What the hell has that got to do with me?", etc that an author can mix in the practical low down of how it affects characters, and thus we, the readers, can see those boilerplates blend in. Scott once said he'd been 'institutionalised', as in being too used to being in an institution. I think he's a bit too used to people sitting quietly and putting effort into making some practical sense of what he says, rather than speaking and having to make his arguement earn its supper, so to speak, right from the very first words and all the way through to the end. But even so, I think they were intrinsic to the story - they aren't disconnected philosophical trivia, they are the motive itself - even the modus operandi, to an extent. Scott could have blended them in better, but the science exposition would still be there - it'd just blend in more. The science exposition isn't a fault, IMO, it's the blending that faultered. But frankly in just about all authors I usually see a fault I forgive, in order to better grasp what their getting at. But that may be my own preferance, as the authors communication is in the end, most important with me. So as long as that communication happens, a few lumps and bumps along the way are forgiven (like you might forgive my spelling! :) ). view post


Re: The problem of evil posted 17 Aug 2008, 02:08 in Philosophy DiscussionThe problem of evil by Callan S., Auditor

Well, if you think of good and evil relative to the practical survival of your species, then good and evil are not abstract. If there was only good - then you could go along, being good, until the last of your species dies. Just because you think a certain lifestyle is good and you never think of there being anything else (ie, never think of the idea of evil), doesn't mean extinction doesn't exist. In practical terms, evil is a hypothesis of the acts which lead to doom. This is not invented by men - extincition exists, regardless of whether we think evil exists or not. What might seperate man from beast is that beasts simply strive to be what they are - relying on death to prove that striving correct or not. While men contemplate their potential doom and do not wish to rely on actual death to tell them if they were wrong (instead they contemplate potential death, rather than simply strive forward to potentially meet it). Not all the time of course - men stride onto the battlefield, for example, with absolute certainty of surviving and winning - the animal striving to be what they are and only death will argue them out of that certainty. Also I know I call it 'animal striving' but thats not to be dismissive - as one contemplates potential doom, one realises even such contemplation itself might be a doom and animal striving perhaps the enlightened path (sometimes...hopefully not always). Indeed, to only ever contemplate would be striving like the animal does - simply rushing forward with its practice, letting situation decide if it was correct/lets you survive. Probably the deepest philisophical moments lead to absolute action - where contemplation considers rejecting itself, the man neither strives like a beast, nor strives to continually contemplate - he is neither beast nor contemplative man. Well, it was fun to type! Don't look at me too weird! :) If you like the books you must like an occasional wild tangent at the very least :) view post


Re: A meaningful life... posted 17 Aug 2008, 02:08 in Philosophy DiscussionA meaningful life... by Callan S., Auditor

What currently makes it unmeaningful? Or what potentially makes it unmeaningful? Search into what makes it unmeaningful and that should also make clear would would stop making it unmeaningful and instead become meaningful. view post


Re: U.S. Cover art posted 02 Sep 2008, 09:09 in NeuropathU.S. Cover art by Callan S., Auditor

I don't get it - to me, it looks like two academics in full on academic gowns, running on a running track inside a gym. The 'caution - slow' hints its actually a road, but first impression is a school gym. It almost makes sense since the protagonist and antagonist have strong academic links. Bloody hell, look out, it's academics in my mind!!! A killer who will get inside your gym....literally! In terms of that line, I don't think its terribly hokey. Though I can't help but think of another version "A killer who will get inside your head. Figuratively." Just one different word makes it so incredibly weaksauce, hehe! :lol: view post


Re: Why was Khellus.... posted 02 Sep 2008, 09:09 in Author Q & AWhy was Khellus.... by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="Chirios":1a1t2fdx]Able to b*tch-slap the Nonman so thoroughly? I get that he's supposed to have these reflexes and whatever, but the Nonmen evolved on a completely different line than humans; shouldn't they be able to do some stuff that humans can't? So, shouldn't the Nonman have had some skill that Khellus (who had never before encountered another sentient species) couldn't defend against?[/quote:1a1t2fdx] Well, dunyain don't practice skill, or atleast ideally they don't, they evaluate each circumstance and decide the shortest path to their goal. I think that's what Scott refers to when at some point he says they are always new - they never repeat a certain practice or skill, they only ever choose and choose and choose. It's not his range of skill that matters, it's his range of choice that matters. If he hadn't had enough choices he would have retreated from the begining (or possibly died, if he estimated he had more choices than he had - which is what happened in terms of magic - he thought he had choices where magic denied those choices. He almost died/failed mission because of that false estimate). view post


Re: What if I told you, that nothing is real? posted 29 Nov 2008, 08:11 in Philosophy DiscussionWhat if I told you, that nothing is real? by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="Trinket":2m5ad39n]It could be said that, if you choose not to perceive any of the above mentioned, then for you, they cease to exist.[/quote:2m5ad39n] It could also be said it's possible not to percieve those things, and yet it neither proves nor disproves those things still in some way exist. Being able to shut down your senses doesn't really prove anything one way or another. Mmmm, doubt! view post


Re: Why was Khellus.... posted 29 Nov 2008, 09:11 in Author Q & AWhy was Khellus.... by Callan S., Auditor

I'm curious what Kellhus would have done had he known the nonmen was capable of sorcery (or even if he knew sorcery existed to begin with). Cut out the tongue? It's still possible to get information that way... He lost the fight because of the perpetuated lie his order had embraced for some as yet unexplained reason. And Akka is supposed to be finding that orders home in the new books *shudder*. Still, that means a 'nuke' is heading toward them... view post


Re: Kellhus vs Whiteluck -<SPOILERS>- posted 05 Feb 2009, 07:02 in The Judging EyeKellhus vs Whiteluck -<SPOILERS>- by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="Curethan":n332wnce][quote="anor277":n332wnce]It was my impression that the demon heads Kellhus sports on his belt were those of skin spies. Certainly the skin spies are absolutely terrifying (Kellhus no doubt animates them) but they are not demonic.[/quote:n332wnce] No, they are specificaly referred to as 'Ciphrang heads'.[/quote:n332wnce] Who refers to them as such? Sometimes Scott switches between describing the world as author and describing the world as seen by a character, without much differentiation in between. view post


Re: SPOILERS: Translocation posted 05 Feb 2009, 07:02 in The Judging EyeSPOILERS: Translocation by Callan S., Auditor

I'm not sure if he was exhausted by it, or faking it. Remember latter on he fakes being exhausted after a long talk with Esme* * I can never remember how to spell the names... view post


Damnation (spoilers) posted 05 Feb 2009, 07:02 in The Judging EyeDamnation (spoilers) by Callan S., Auditor

I'm not sure I'm really into the idea of damnation. I'll say that when Mimara looked at Akka with the judging eye and saw him withered and everything, it snapped into place that it wasn't figurative damnation, but some sort of actual state. But as much as it snapped in, it snapped out again. How to describe it? If it's something that can be seen, why should I call it damnation? It was the idea of damnation before but then bang, she can see damnation..my gosh its not an idea anymore, it's real, it's real and...waitaminute! So she would call it damnation - why should I? I think Scott wanted to get at a world where the subjective idea of good and evil is actual objective truth. But I wonder if he'll be probing the idea of intellect pressed against that - something that finds no inherent truth in someone elses mere assertion? I mean, even more than he has/might have already done, hehe! view post


Re: Damnation (spoilers) posted 16 Feb 2009, 23:02 in The Judging EyeDamnation (spoilers) by Callan S., Auditor

It looks like damnation? What does damnation actually look like? If you got one hundred people to independently draw a picture of a damned person, would they all draw the same thing? Also that seems a terrible dycotomy - I either believe what I first see it as, or I enter some great deciever loop. So therefore I must believe that what I think something is, is what it is. I remember an example Richard Dawkins gave of, as a child, seeing a terrible, baneful face in a window...but upon closer inspection it was just a twist in the curtains. Also after writing this, I considered how Mimara looked through a trinket and saw something completely opposite from the void most schoolmen feel. I'm wondering if in future books she'll look at Akka, see through him and see something completely opposite... view post


Re: Consensus so far? posted 24 Feb 2009, 03:02 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="skafadi":29vkoytx]It's definitely up to the standard of PoN, but I do hope the next books in the series are stronger. JE was very much a setup book-introducing characters, blah de blah, and thats fine, but two of the three story arcs went nowhere. I'm really hoping for some good old fashioned action in the next one. In addition, I'm getting a wee bit tired of the constant mopey soul-searching every single character engages in. It's like everyone in Earwa majored in Philosophy and Drama. Hopefully it'll grow on me on re-reads.[/quote:29vkoytx] Wow, that's like complaining there's a steak on your plate next to the sprig of parsley you ordered. Rather than thinking the steak is supposed to be the meal and the parsley is mere garnish. view post


Re: *Spoilers* The gods must be crazy posted 24 Feb 2009, 03:02 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* The gods must be crazy by Callan S., Auditor

Psatma hasn't done anything amazingly horrible as far as I recall. Esmi does/orders far worse. [quote="Chirios":1f07zmxt]I'm not sure if Minara can actually see the damnation though. I think it would be more accurate to say that she see's the warp; that she can feel the fact that sorcery is [i:1f07zmxt]unnatural[/i:1f07zmxt]. Scott has taken great lengths to show that moral absolutism is inherently stupid, so why would he create a system that proves that moral absolutivism is right?[/quote:1f07zmxt] I think he was quoted somewhere as being excited about exploring a world where the moral point actuall was absolute and true. Whether that's possible for us to really explore as readers, is an interesting question. view post


Re: Spoiler: Kelmonas' Voice posted 17 Mar 2009, 05:03 in The Judging EyeSpoiler: Kelmonas' Voice by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="Curethan":1qzjnexp]Erm, the way compulsions work wouldn't result in a voice like that imo. I think 'the voice' is simply a more forceful version of the secondary mental voice we all share[/quote:1qzjnexp] I think so too. A dunyain intellect in a half world born body is like looking at a v8 engine running in a tiny car. It's funny though - the flashbacks to the dunyain base (Ishmael? I can never remember the names). The flashback had the children there laughing as they tried to hit an instructor with their sticks. They seemed relatively functional in terms of being children, and before the final brainwash Kelhus seemed to be a boy with girl bits on his mind, as you might expect. Still quite human. On the other hand it horribly occured to me that the dunyain might put down dozens of babies before they get a proper one, so it might not be the case that Dunyain have normal children. Maithanet might have been the normal one to be spared after many prior 'failed' babies. But out and out I suspect that the gods of fertility have simply cursed Kelhus to this 'fertility'. Especially since the white luck warrior seems to be connected with sex magic. That's another odd thing about the book, the magic level is really ramped up. I had assumed from the first three that this was always going to be a godless set of books, with schoolmen being the only supernatural element. It really seemed like it was about men dealing with things in a godless universe, but that's changed. view post


Re: Who Am I? posted 17 Mar 2009, 05:03 in Philosophy DiscussionWho Am I? by Callan S., Auditor

If your familiar with programming, you might have come across the idea of self modifying code. Usually argued against by programmers cause it can go so wrong, oh so quickly. Looking at the question and the word 'am', that's more a question of current state. A certain set up. But if you ARE self modifying code, then 'I' means your self modifying code. Code that self modifies changes what it is - it's never in a fixed state. With self modifying code, 'am' and 'I' are contradictory terms. It's like asking for a sample of non existance. view post


Re: The eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* posted 17 Mar 2009, 06:03 in The Judging EyeThe eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* by Callan S., Auditor

Akka also explains that in some places, the [i:10uu6i2x]distance[/i:10uu6i2x] between desire and how things actually are, is shortened. That place leaked in and that desire was...to have eyeballs in hearts. Or maybe it didn't get everything it wanted... And I suspect the pick actually killed the woman or atleast severed her arm when she was resisting somehow. The reassuring words he chatters would fit where compassion for and bloody violence against a loved one, lose distinction. view post


Re: Spoiler: Kelmonas' Voice posted 18 May 2009, 06:05 in The Judging EyeSpoiler: Kelmonas' Voice by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="ThePrinceofNothing":2x6200no]I believe that Kelmomas' "voice" is actually Samarmas' intellect. At some point, either at birth or during their forced "separation (it was described how they could not look away from each other or be apart from each other)," the combined superior Dunyain intellect did not split properly between each body. Bakker continually describes how Samarmas is much more "simple" and naive than Kelmomas. I believe that Kelmomas has the combined Dunyain intellect.[/quote:2x6200no] I'm not too keen to jump into spiritual speculation, since how it works is kind of up to the author and this is a bit of a leap. But that sounds like a good idea on what could be happening, regardless! view post


Re: Consensus so far? posted 18 May 2009, 06:05 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Callan S., Auditor

I'm pretty sure Sorweel is there to represent us and what it'd be like to be dumped into it all. If you start thinking of him as being from our age, he becomes alot more fleshed out. view post


Re: I don't understand how the word 'will' is being used posted 18 May 2009, 06:05 in NeuropathI don't understand how the word 'will' is being used by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="Thorsten":1nlkryyk]He starts with the assumption that what he does works in establishing truth, then applies vastly different standards in judging evidence which confirms what he thinks is true as compared to evidence that contradicts what he thinks is true, and as a result he gets out what he puts in.[/quote:1nlkryyk] What did he say as being true? I can't really remember him saying anything to be true - sure, lots of hinting as to stuff like hell houses being bad for children, or maybe stuff like saying the solid part of an atom is like a fly in a football field. Perhaps darwininsm? But your probably not refering to that stuff? What things did he say are true? view post


Re: Countering the Argument posted 03 Jul 2009, 12:07 in NeuropathCountering the Argument by Callan S., Auditor

In terms of free will and decision making (and taking it your summing up of the arguement is roughly on target - it's been awhile since I read it), I think the utterly deterministic model is a self forfilling prophesy. Essentially the human mind (probably alot moreso than any other animal) can to a degree, observe itself. This creates a powerful feedback loop. Maybe someones addicted to cigarettes. But unlike an animal, they can see the hunger in them - they can forceably try and block it. Sure, maybe they'll cave in latter. But an animal would just go smoke a cigarette - they are that deterministic. A human looks at themselves working and their actions aren't soley on the animal level - their actions are affected by that self reflection. Is that self reflection deterministic? Essentially yes, but it's a far more bloody complicated determinism. Because the system isn't just operating on stimuli from the outside world, it's operating on stimuli from the inner world, which is affected by the outside world, which is affected by the inner world, which is...and so on. No doubt for some things a single feedback loop could even go on for years. Bloody complicated - to just call us a deterministic machine is to indulge in a world simplifying illusion itself - like the illusion of 'solid' objects, when objects aren't solid, they are mostly empty. To see it as determinism is a simplification illusion, rather than a reason to think the human mind operates like simple clockwork. Objects appear solid. The processes of the mind appears to be clockwork. These are the illusions. view post


Re: Losing the Argument is actually a Win? posted 03 Jul 2009, 12:07 in NeuropathLosing the Argument is actually a Win? by Callan S., Auditor

Edit out negative emotions? And which ones are those? Somehow, with godlike clarity, people will know for sure that some are negative, and exactly which ones are negative? view post


Re: I don't understand how the word 'will' is being used posted 03 Jul 2009, 13:07 in NeuropathI don't understand how the word 'will' is being used by Callan S., Auditor

I'm rather skeptical that the question requires lengthy essays to answer it. I'll keep it in mind that it might, but for now I'll treat it as if it doesn't and the whole lengthy essay thing as just a distraction. view post


Re: Scott bakker interview posted 03 Jul 2009, 13:07 in Author Q & AScott bakker interview by Callan S., Auditor

Thanks! Heh, at the end of one he says certainty is a crock of shit. He's [i:2qqoozx7]certain [/i:2qqoozx7]that certainty is a crock of shit? Heh, I'd love to chew that one over with him, though it might just have been a miss placement of words. view post


Re: Thank You posted 03 Jul 2009, 13:07 in Author Q & AThank You by Callan S., Auditor

I think that's answered in a thread here somewhere - that area of the book got alot of rewriting, so things are kind of odd for that reason. I think it was serwe's, but the ambiguity left (both deliberately and because of the rewrite) lets you kind of feel what it would be like for other people to see him pull his own heart from his chest. And squeeze it like a stress ball...just joking :) view post


Re: The eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* posted 03 Jul 2009, 13:07 in The Judging EyeThe eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* by Callan S., Auditor

For some reason the humourous idea comes to mind that plenty of times before in his life Akka has asked people to cut open and take out dead mens hearts - but all the other times they were normal and he's like "Uh, okay, no reason...lets keep walking" like it was a pythonesque social fopah and it's just a tad embaressing to have, like, asked someone to be cut open for a bit of a gawk at their heart. view post


Re: No-God theory, or another theory posted 05 Sep 2009, 08:09 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]No-God theory, or another theory by Callan S., Auditor

I think Cnaiur is probably alive, but his story is ended/dead. The nay(say)er is gone... ;) With the no god, I'm thinking it's some sort of inverse to the spirit world that Kelhus talks about each soul being an extension of. Taking it as actually existing (Kelhus tends to use the truth as his leverage point) view post


Re: Is God Flawed??? posted 31 Oct 2009, 09:10 in Philosophy DiscussionIs God Flawed??? by Callan S., Auditor

It's judgement that ascribes things as flawed. The source of flaws is judgement. view post


Does Scott have an agent that takes mail for him? posted 12 Nov 2009, 22:11 in Author Q & ADoes Scott have an agent that takes mail for him? by Callan S., Auditor

Does Scott have an agent atleast, that you can send mail through to him by? Once again I've found [url=http://speculativeheresy.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/the-semantic-apocalypse/:34kvjnzo]something[/url:34kvjnzo]by him and it prompts me to discuss it with him, or atleast try and launch mail in his general direction! Except I don't even have a general direction! :( view post


Re: sranc posted 16 Nov 2009, 03:11 in The Darkness That Comes Beforesranc by Callan S., Auditor

I think they are being ascribed some capacities here they just don't have in the book. In the glossary I believe it even mentions they are inferior to a swordsman. What Scotts probably gotten across very well is their shock and awe element of their construction - that's exactly what shock and awe is supposed to do, start making the enemy build up fearful fabrications of your own capacities. view post


Re: Skaeos...huh? posted 16 Nov 2009, 03:11 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeSkaeos...huh? by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="bobby":u2jj07iy]What I don't understand is how the Emperor knew he was betrayed by Skaeos[/quote:u2jj07iy] He didn't know. He was a paranoid madman and merely by chance he took the look between Kelhus and Skaeos as some sort of conspiracy, and merely on that alone he ordered Skaeos tortured. It was hapstance. view post


Re: The eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* posted 16 Nov 2009, 03:11 in The Judging EyeThe eye in the Pick's heart *spoilers* by Callan S., Auditor

Akka just knows alot of stuff and figured it. That's because Akka rocks. Even old Akka! view post


Re: I am a devout follower of Kellhus posted 16 Nov 2009, 03:11 in The Judging EyeI am a devout follower of Kellhus by Callan S., Auditor

You find yourself drawn and as you are, you paint over any unknown elements with the same 'wonderful'. You take a rising urge to lay down your life and it makes dwindle and die any instinctual darwinistic scrutiny. You call the absence of this reflex, certainty. No, I have no point in saying such. view post


Re: I am a devout follower of Kellhus posted 23 Nov 2009, 21:11 in The Judging EyeI am a devout follower of Kellhus by Callan S., Auditor

Well, I think there are indicators of an emotional impetus inside him, though the indicators are small and the impetus fragmentary. I think it's almost a flaw of the books that Kellhus shows irrational emotion to a tiny degree (which is obviously dwarfed by his very logical execution of it) but the book does not examine it, perhaps trying to act as if it's not there. Given that he becomes the darkness that comes before for most (all?) of the other characters, he still isn't given any author aided character examination (you can obviously look at events and speculate, but Scott isn't in there with you at any point, helping out and speculating with you) Take when he kills his father - IIRC [i:2vkw0ctf]before [/i:2vkw0ctf]he knifes his father, he says 'I am more' (in responce to his fathers words 'You are Dunyain' - and excuse my own spelling here). That doesn't seem terribly efficient at the material level. But at some level of principles perhaps it was - but what principles? What do we see of them? In a way I think Kelhus may be even more blind to his own emotions than world born men. World born men know they lust and laugh and greed. They can atleast see these things to some degree. But by banishing such emotions, has Kelhus simply left himself with the emotions he can't see? That none can see? The whole thing about vulgar emotions is that they may equal unseen emotions in strength - and are thus leverage against the unseen. And the dunyain have given up that leverage. Or am I getting too philosophical? Visit my blog so I get income from traffic! There, see, I'm back in the material world again! :) view post


Re: Does Scott have an agent that takes mail for him? posted 23 Nov 2009, 21:11 in Author Q & ADoes Scott have an agent that takes mail for him? by Callan S., Auditor

Oh yeah! Thanks! Sadly I hadn't thought of that. My probability trance isn't all that strong, eh!? lol I'll try it out soon :) view post


Re: I am a devout follower of Kellhus posted 15 Dec 2009, 21:12 in The Judging EyeI am a devout follower of Kellhus by Callan S., Auditor

I'm saying Kellhus is blind to the emotions that drive him - that he recognises emotions that no longer drive him is both true yet wont mean anything in terms of recognising what emotions actually do drive him. And in terms of free will the question I raise is 'Free of what?'. If your causally linked to things you care about - do you want to be free of things you care about? I address this more on my blog: http://philosophergamer.blogspot.com/20 ... rther.html view post


Re: Celmomian Prophesy, Seswatha Dreams, and the "Present" posted 26 Feb 2010, 01:02 in The Judging EyeCelmomian Prophesy, Seswatha Dreams, and the "Present" by Callan S., Auditor

I think as Akka starts to think he's Seswatha, so he becomes that. Much in the way Bakker likes to describe so how you act is eventually how you become. As he becomes more Seswatha, more memories are compatable with him and so can be remembered. But that hypnotism bit...Kellhus could have left all sorts of viruses and malware, so to speak, during that 'unknown permissions' bit. So it could all be simply following the steps of a programmed sleeper agent - though the throneroom scene just doesn't seem efficient somehow, with Akka denouncing him as emporer. So Akka still seems somewhat of a rogue variable rather than a fully controlled variable. view post


Re: Dunyain Ancestory posted 23 Apr 2011, 03:04 in The Judging EyeDunyain Ancestory by Callan S., Auditor

To be honest I wonder why they keep something which is 'history', when they are a people without history. Perhaps some strange force that goes along with the prophesy, if such exists. view post


Re: Complaint to author posted 08 May 2011, 05:05 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="anor277":38r3rknw]As I recall that part of Kellhus' training, the Pragma was waiting with a knife to turn Kellhus off if he failed to apprehend the principle of the logos (the Pragma might have killed quite a few indifferent students this way). The opening poster was lucky that no Dunyain was there to witness his/her failure; he or she might have met an untimely end otherwise.[/quote:38r3rknw] * Yeah, I'm replying to an old thread but the mods probably aren't too bothered by some genuine traffic * Anyway, on this indifference, hold on a second!?* That's part of what I don't get - why did Kellhus pluck the knife out of the air, instead of just sit there like a vegetable? To me it seem not ALL of the legion could have been leashed if he still actually does anything? By my measure, why would anyone do anything without some sort of remaining desire? It almost seems to be the Dunyain bullshitting themselves they are free of desire, when there is still one there. * Well, I guess you've held on for almost two years now, so... view post


Re: Complaint to author posted 19 May 2011, 03:05 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Callan S., Auditor

Who is mastering your mind? I mean, you say it as if there is no 'who' involved "Mastering your mind". Who is doing this? Again, it seems to ignore who/what is doing something, and instead focates on doing it? It's blindness to the prior that urges forth and says "Master my mind I must". That thought is not mastered. view post


Re: I am a devout follower of Kellhus posted 19 May 2011, 04:05 in The Judging EyeI am a devout follower of Kellhus by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="Thorsten":27w4osqe][quote:27w4osqe]And in terms of free will the question I raise is 'Free of what?'. If your causally linked to things you care about - do you want to be free of things you care about? I address this more on my blog: http://philosophergamer.blogspot.com/20 ... rther.html[/quote:27w4osqe] Well, this goes to the heart of the free will issue - what does it actually mean to exercise free will? Can you (or anyone) think of an experiment (even a thought experiment) that could in principle prove the existence of free will in contrast to determinism? I've been trying to come up with something for years, and I think it's just not possible.[/quote:27w4osqe] I'd just see it the other way around - any presumed grasp of determinism is BS. If anyone really grasped determinism, they could describe how the universe came about/why there was a big bang. To know what will come is to know what came before. The very lack of understanding of determinism is what defines free will. It's part of what makes Kellhus so frightening, even with his still relatively mortal understanding of determinism. [quote:27w4osqe]We would not call a person who throws dice for decisionmaking free-willed. [/quote:27w4osqe] Now you come to mention it, I am not sure I wouldn't. To let go of so very much? Certainly I don't feel free to do that. [quote:27w4osqe]The keyword would be something like self-determination - but what does that mean? Obviously, you are determined by what you want because if it were different, you wouldn't want it. Of course, the neuroscientists go on claiming that self is an illusion (which does not prevent them from feeling pissed when their papers are rejected - that seems real enough for them). But as I wrote elsewhere, there is a blatant contradiction that if there is no self, the whole scientific method which is validated by the experience of the self, the conscious observer, is as illusionary as the self, and so it can't be used to disprove any self.[/quote:27w4osqe] Just on a side note decades ago, in terms of science, I read that the theory of it is that it never tried to prove anything. It could test something and get result B a million times and yet still admit result a might happen on the million and first try. I don't see alot of scientists on TV stand by this today. Actually I see none, particularly in terms of climate debate - they all insist it's real. This seems to betray that primary principle of science (BTW, I think climate change is real - I'm not trying to argue against it - I'm just injecting doubt into what I'm certain of). Anyway, onto 'self'. Pretty ambiguous term. I'm pretty certain though that if I die, those scientists hearts keep going and they keep doing things I would have wanted to do, like eat nice food, drink wine, have sex, bask in warm sunlight, etc. What, is it an illusion that my corpse doesn't appear to be doing those things? Or am I some miraculous super special snowflake that if I were to die, so will they by default somehow!? Ha! No, there will be one less organism. I think it'd be better if they tried to suggest the universe is one absolute whole and the sense of individual objects is an illusion. Maybe you summerised them rather briskly and there is more detail to what the neuroscientists claim? view post


Re: Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 20 Jun 2011, 00:06 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Callan S., Auditor

Woops, must stop reading, don't own WLW yet...heh, just attracted here by the activity... view post


Well, ordered the book... posted 25 Jun 2011, 00:06 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Well, ordered the book... by Callan S., Auditor

Waiting trepedaciously for my semantic impact with that small obelisk of dead tree pulp and inkey runes? Have you ever held a Bakker book between thumb and forefinger [i:1iebmlpr]before[/i:1iebmlpr] you read it, thinking how many events (atleast at the mental level) is there, right there in front of you? Even if you don't know what, atleast for a moment you hold your future between thumb and forefinger, instead of it you? Just thought I'd make a post on waiting for white luck warrior. Since the forums are quiet I'm sure the mods are a bit flexible on that :) view post


The absolute posted 17 Jul 2011, 10:07 in General DiscusssionThe absolute by Callan S., Auditor

The absolute. The self moving soul. Mastering all circumstances. Okay, here's a simple question - how can more than one Dunyain ever have such a status? How can TWO people master all circumstances at once, eh? The Dunyain never really struck me as community minded. Are they, behind all the shortest path stuff? (which begs the question, shortest [i:1r9jxbsx]for whom?[/i:1r9jxbsx]) Lol side note: I still think Scott had a cut throat gamist player in his D&D game back in the day, and that's where the idea of Kelhus arrises from (in part!). view post


Re: Well, ordered the book... posted 18 Jul 2011, 23:07 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Well, ordered the book... by Callan S., Auditor

Well, I recieved it. But if to think what to say is to summerize, I'm not sure I can. I will say I think the early books were denser - not surprising since Scott formulated them the most, for so long. Most of my interest in the books isn't directly tied to the fantasy, but in the lines drawn to our past and the utterly nasty events there, so easy to forget. I often feel the books are educative first - though as said, mostly so with the first few and less dense with latter books. I find it difficult to withdraw so as to gain perspective, as to do so requires a certain amount of glibness. Which given the subject matter I'm not inclined to take on. I guess that's what makes the books compelling? Can't withdraw from the frame? view post


Re: The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 19 Jul 2011, 00:07 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by Callan S., Auditor

Kellhus teleported back and terminated them? view post


The browser game that comes before...? posted 19 Jul 2011, 00:07 in General DiscusssionThe browser game that comes before...? by Callan S., Auditor

Having learnt some PHP code, I was idly thinking of making a browser based game in relation to the three seas. Before anyone gets excited, browser games are primarily text based with still images and second, yes, it'd be covered in disclaimers that I do not claim any right at all to the source and I grovel at the boot of Scott, hoping not to be struck down by a C&D letter (at which point I'd have to go strip all the IP out and replace it with my own). I was actually thinking of something around the skalpers era, as that has lots of monster fighting as well as lots of people of many cultures there and so much intrigue. It'd be difficult to actually maintain any self reflection element (rather than let it become yet another sycophancy game on the web), but I think some could be implemented. Thoughts? view post


Re: The browser game that comes before...? posted 26 Jul 2011, 00:07 in General DiscusssionThe browser game that comes before...? by Callan S., Auditor

I was thinking of playing on the idea of damnation - you start with a character who has done dark things. Now, I was thinking that you could redeem a character over time. Once fully redeemed (pentinent?), the character retires (you keep a bunch of resources like money and such, since the traditional model of browser games is resource accumulation). Or you can just keep doing black deeds until your dark and crispy with sin particles! Or I dunno, am I being wussy having the option for redemptive acts? More Bakker like to have entropic sin rule the universe, eh? And no one breaks the rules of thermo dynamic sin? view post


Re: Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 01 Aug 2011, 10:08 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Callan S., Auditor

[quote:jabfmefr]On two points, the way it happened really bothered me. First, in the initial phase of the battle, the king in charge (forgot his name) sent ALL the sorcerers out to attack the Horde.[/quote:jabfmefr] Because Kellhus manipulated them to screw up. So as to enable the taboo breaking 'We will eat sranc' command to be adopted while, in defeat, the armies collective mental guard is down. view post


Re: The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 01 Aug 2011, 10:08 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by Callan S., Auditor

I think, assuming Akka saying those with the judging eye do not give birth to live young is not simply a comforting lie, that the no-god will return, and at this point, when all other births are born still, Mimara will give birth - and the baby will be alive! Somehow the inversion from the no god will mean she gives birth to a live baby? What sort of baby? :twisted: I dunno? view post


Re: Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 08 Aug 2011, 00:08 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Callan S., Auditor

I'm not sure chanv has been revealed, explicitly, has it? It sounds plausible, but I don't think it's been revealed? Personally my theory is that one of the nonmen who bared their neck to the human invasion was instead captured and if chanv is a nonmen body product, it's not from dead nonman but from his blood. They have a nonmen on tap somewhere. Vampiric, eh? [quote:35pvygup]Eating Sranc is just a logistic necessity[/quote:35pvygup] It's easy to think that from the safety of a readers POV. I was thinking earlier on why didn't they eat the sranc - I thought maybe sranc are designed to be poisonous to eat, or become poisonous on death. But remember, a huge theme in the books is cultural taboo. If it is taboo to eat sranc, it's not like they just say "oh, it's logistically necessary, so well skip that taboo". I mean, that's what we do in roleplay sessions sometimes - have our character act like a perfectly logical robot who has no qualms about taking any means necessary (indeed, I often think this was an inspiration for Kellhus, from Scott's D&D days). But as easy as it is to say an imaginary character does it, to actually do the thing - with your own mouth? However, the effects on the army from eating sranc given they are derived from nonmen, yeah, that's interesting speculation to bring up! I had only thought of forfilling the need to feed, not any sort of effect beyond that. view post


Re: Slog of Slogs, Boys! posted 15 Aug 2011, 08:08 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Slog of Slogs, Boys! by Callan S., Auditor

I'm not sure weve seen much of the white luck warrior. In fact I rather feel that each book doesn't actually cover it's subject - I felt there was more judging eye action in white luck warrior than in the judging eye, for example. In fact I'd actually say that in each book - more thousandfold thought in judging eye, more warrior prophet in thousand fold thought. Not sure about TDTCB - that's kinda everywhere! Anyway, it seems the book after that covers the book before, to me! Karol, how do they stuff up the formatting? And you could go and harass Scott on his blog, to get the book out sooner >:) view post


Re: The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) posted 08 Sep 2011, 00:09 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior Conclusion (SPOILERS) by Callan S., Auditor

[quote="Madness":3sm8gou6]Kellhus is a "God," testing his subjects, in various ways.[/quote:3sm8gou6] Sounds more like a scientist testing rats in a maze, to me. view post


Re: Kellhus vs Dune posted 08 Sep 2011, 01:09 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus vs Dune by Callan S., Auditor

I'd like to look at the first draft of TDTCB, the one that got rejected for printed and Scott rewrote latter on. Evolution takes time. view post


Re: Kellhus vs Dune posted 09 Sep 2011, 06:09 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus vs Dune by Callan S., Auditor

I think I get your point, but it seems a bit harsh? It's like pointing and laughing at an amphibian as it crawls across the mud, because a cheetah is much faster and sleeker. Yet the cheetah was ultimately derived from the amphibian. Someone has to make the first, clumsy steps - often they are more daring than those we fancy the superior [i:2t9vpytb]who come after[/i:2t9vpytb]. Humans have a certain inclination for entertaining superiority, so hey, lets entertain some superiority over dune, cool. But you've got to have some respect for the balls it takes to write at all? Assuming the author cares if someone might howl with laughter at what you write (if not, not). Oh, and I should admit, I haven't read dune, either. view post


Re: No-God theory, or another theory posted 11 Sep 2011, 07:09 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]No-God theory, or another theory by Callan S., Auditor

How could a god not hunger with these great meal deals at Mc Donalds!!!1! Sorry, quiet forum, couldn't resist! view post


Re: Kellhus vs Dune posted 21 Sep 2011, 01:09 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus vs Dune by Callan S., Auditor

Pssst, non men are just cooler ents! Just joking, though seriously, both have lost their entwives and live for centuries or longer. [quote:yrz7rpj5]Scott has also said he doesn't have a creative bone in his body, and so borrows from favorites.[/quote:yrz7rpj5] Really? He said this? This gives quite some perspective on how he managed to write these books of his...a strange perspective, but all the same... view post


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