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posted 05 Jul 2004, 21:07 in The Warrior ProphetMy thoughts on TWP by legatus, Auditor

From what I can gather, the Nonmen are native to Earwa, while the Inchoroi are the offworlders. And after doing a bried scan of TWP, a discussion between Achamian and Esmenet about the stars would seem to back that up. Here's the relevant passage (selective text from page 99): [quote:29kbcsuq]"Do you think they speak our future, Akka? The stars?" A momentary pause. "No." "Why?" "The Nonmen believe the sky is endlessly empty, an infinite void..." "Empty? How could that be?" "Even more, they think the stars are faraway suns." "How could they believe such a thing?" she asked. "The sun moves in circles about the world. The stars move in circles about the Nail." The thought struck her that the Nail of Heaven itself might be another world, one with a thousand thousand suns. Such a sky that would be! Achamian shrugged. "Supposedly that's what the Inchoroi told them. That they sailed here from stars that were suns."[/quote:29kbcsuq] That exchange seems to indicate that the Nonmen base their understanding of the stars on what they've been told by the Inchoroi, who are the ones that actually arrived from distant stars. If the Nonmen had sailed to Earwa from the stars themselves, they could simply base their knowledge upon firsthand experience rather than Inchoroi hearsay. view post


posted 06 Jul 2004, 01:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow Reading... by legatus, Auditor

I'm almost finished with my second read through of The Sorcerer: Metamorphosis by Jack Whyte. I'd read the book out of order before, but now that I've read all the earlier books in his Dream of Eagles series and related material, I figured I'd read it again in its proper place at the end of the series. Anyway, Jack Whyte's take on the Arthurian legend was really well done. Definitely a good read. view post


posted 06 Jul 2004, 01:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionAges by legatus, Auditor

Another twenty something here. 24 specifically. view post


posted 06 Jul 2004, 03:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Title by legatus, Auditor

I cast my vote for The Thousandfold Thought as well. I came out of The Warrior Prophet wondering what the bloody hell TTT might be--an extension of the logos, a newfound combination of dunyain philosophy and sorcerous metaphysics pioneered by Moengus, something obvious and explicitly explained in TWP that I overlooked like an idiot?--, so that title serves only to pique my curiosity further and exacerbate my impatience to get my hands on the next book. WSS doesn't evoke that kind of response though, nor does it hint at the philosophical underpinnings from the earlier books that fans will have come to appreciate and expect. So for return readers, who I figure will make up the majority of the readership for the next book, it's TTT all the way. view post


posted 06 Jul 2004, 04:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Death view post


posted 06 Jul 2004, 05:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by legatus, Auditor

I'm listening to Flogging Molly's Swagger album (with The Likes of You Again playing at the moment) with the Children Of Dune soundtrack queued up for later. I can't wait till August when Flogging Molly's scheduled to come through Toronto. view post


posted 06 Jul 2004, 07:07 in The Warrior ProphetMy thoughts on TWP by legatus, Auditor

If I recall correctly, the humans that re-entered Golgotterath after the long years it had remained hidden by a Nonman glamour were members of an old gnostic school who were shown the way by a Nonman sorcerer, though I can't remember the school's name or that of the sorcerer offhand. Apparently, delving into the Tekne / Inchoroi fleshcraft warped them enough to start seeing themselves as Inchoroi successor, and thus the Consult was born. Although I suspect the surviving Inchoroi likely played a role in the warping of the school, albeit from the shadows until they had been sufficiently twisted to accept the brothers readily. Also, I seem to remember Achamian saying that they found many powerful but unfinished Tekne artifacts that hadn't been employed by the Inchoroi in their previous wars with the Nonmen (ie: the No-God). What I wonder, however, is whether the skin spies were another example of these artifacts started but never finished by the Inchoroi or whether the current members of the Consult have mastered the art of fleshcraft to the point where they're able to create wholly original artifacts of their own not based on work started by the Inchoroi. As for the Inchoroi brothers themselves, I get the feeling that the demonic embodiment we see at the end of TWP is merely one of the many forms the brothers are capable of taking. Their original forms, whatever they might've been, have likely been lost to the annals of time. In line with this, I think the other brother is the Synthese, a form he chose so he could watch over the progress of the Holy War. Sarcellus calls the Synthese the "shell" of the Old Father, after all, and he's described as an Inchoroi Prince, so it stands to reason he's the other brother and that their forms are alterable via their fleshcraft. view post


posted 07 Jul 2004, 03:07 in Interviews and ReviewsEssay by Bakker on sffworld.com by legatus, Auditor

Great essay. I'll have to remember to use that line of reasoning on the value of fantasy lit the next time I get a dismissive look about whatever I happen to be reading. view post


posted 07 Jul 2004, 08:07 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeNames and Pronunciation by legatus, Auditor

I remember mentally pronouncing Cnaiur with an awkward soft c from start to finish on my first read through of TDTCB... then I got to the appendix. "Nay-yur? Who-and-the-what-now? Ohhhhhh... silent c." I felt rightly foolish ;) Even so, I really enjoyed the exotic sounding names, since I felt it helped create a tone of cultural richness, uniqueness and diversity that wouldn't have been as well served by more common sounding names. I'd certainly like to hear Scott's renditions of some of the names though, in any case. There's likely a good many I'm still pronouncing incorrectly in my head. view post


posted 11 Jul 2004, 21:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionSex by legatus, Auditor

Things are seeming fairly disproportionate at this point, but another male here. view post


posted 12 Jul 2004, 05:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

runneth view post


posted 12 Jul 2004, 19:07 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by legatus, Auditor

Achamian was a character I could really like without any reservation. He certainly comes off as flawed and fairly indecisive, but his underlying strength of character belies that outer weakness. Certainly an easy character to sympathize with. I also really liked Cnaiur, and even Kellhus to a lesser extent, but it's more of a love hate thing in his case. I can't help begrudging him his incessant manipulation, in spite of it being his greatest asset. I just want to smack some of the hapless idiots he draws into his web, which is probably another reason I like Cnaiur so much; he's cunning, paranoid and cracked enough to resist that damnable dunyain. view post


posted 13 Jul 2004, 00:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionSex by legatus, Auditor

My first thought about the gender disparity among forum goers here is that it's likely related to the general lack of strong female characters in Scott's first couple of novels in the series. I agree with his reasons for choosing to portray a male dominated society in a visceral, realistic way, but at the same time, it's a choice that might alienate many female readers. On the other hand, with the limited cross section of PoN fans these forums represent, it might just be that the female fans just haven't made their way here yet. Who knows. view post


posted 13 Jul 2004, 00:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by legatus, Auditor

I'm listening to Hide's Hide Your Face album, and seeing Ministry mentioned earlier in the thread, I can't help but gape at the blatant similarity between 'Drink Or Die' and 'Jesus Built My Hotrod'. Hide either ripped off the music for D.O.D. from them or I'm hearing things. The lyrics are different, sure, not to mention in Japanese, but the music is way too close for it to be merely coincidence. I wonder if he ever admitted to D.O.D. being Ministry inspired or some such, or whether it just went unnoticed. view post


posted 13 Jul 2004, 03:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by legatus, Auditor

There's a lot of range to Hide's music from song to song, but the vast majority of his stuff really doesn't strike me as particularly industrial. Some of it certainly is (Doubt, Pose and Bacteria come to mind), but his style is really eclectic, and I'd only clearly label a small percentage of his stuff as industrial. In the case of D.O.D., the tone of the song is different than Jesus Built My Hotrod, as though the core of the song was sanitized to churn out a faster, cleaner bastard child--a red-headed one at that. I still like it regardless, but it loses much of the industrial flair as a result. As another word of warning, Hide has a somewhat typical, Japanese rocker voice: a little on the effeminate side, and potentially grating. Also, I have to be in the mood to listen to Hide or a lot of his stuff strikes me as altogether too upbeat. Addendum: Much like a large portion of the rest of Japan's mainstream music scene of yore, Hide doesn't entirely escape the taint of the dreaded bubblegum pop syndrome either. In spite of being a fan, I certainly like to badmouth his music a lot, huh? :P view post


posted 15 Jul 2004, 01:07 in Author Q & AWomen In the Three Seas by legatus, Auditor

[quote="Replay":yrlnjwv8]I think another problem that authors face with things such as this is that if they go to deep into the subject and portray it as harshly as it can be in real life, people will often think the writer has a few screws loose and is only writing to satisfy his own perversions.[/quote:yrlnjwv8] I couldn't help but smirk reading this, since it's exactly what happened with a friend of mine that I'd recommended TDTCB to. She'd moaned about the number of sadistic characters in the Sword of Truth series and was ready to write off the fantasy genre in general, though admittedly, she wasn't much of a fantasy fan to start with. My initial reaction, of course, was to tell her that Goodkind was a hack, and not really a representation of particularly good fantasy anyway, then went on to recommend Scott's PoN series. No more than a few days later, after a complaint or two of not being able to remember all the exotic names and places thrown around, she'd settled into an 'oh great, another sadistic author' reaction and wouldn't listen to any line of reasoning running contrary to that. It's an unfortunate reaction, and one I'd hope is limited to the minority of readers, but I think it's almost inevitable when it comes to material approaching any degree of brutal realism. Some people just want idealized, sanitized fantasy worlds, I suppose. Regardless, I'd certainly miss the harsher, more visceral fantasy worlds if squeamish readers were catered to exclusively. [quote="Cu'jara Cinmoi":yrlnjwv8]I'd like to go into the question of the Dunyain and gender, but believe it or not, the issue has a significant role to play in the greater story of the Second Apocalypse[/quote:yrlnjwv8] The dangling promise of significance, how it mocks me! I hadn't even considered any gender issues with regards to the Dunyain until now. I was too busy hammering out theories regarding gender roles within the Consult, or rather, their potential lack of gender roles--moreover, their lack of gender altogether. [b:yrlnjwv8][i:yrlnjwv8][Warning: There's a spoiler or two woven into my theory below.][/i:yrlnjwv8][/b:yrlnjwv8] The way I see it, the Inchoroi may be a genderless, asexual race, either by way of evolution or as a result of Tekne experiments done on themselves. By extension, it seems reasonable that their creations, like the Sranc and skin spies, might also be genderless, and perhaps even incapable of independent reproduction of any kind, asexual or otherwise, without the Tekne. The dread mankind feels towards the No-God would certainly be lessened for races who could escape the slow death brought on by the deadening of all wombs--whose continued survival isn't directly tied to sexual reproduction. That said, the Inchoroi are still self-professed sexual beings, but I'm of the opinion that their sexuality serves an entirely different purpose than reproduction at this point. The Inchoroi, and in turn the Consult, use sex as a means of utter domination, emotional and physical, not to propagate their species. The skin spies show an element of this domination, where sexual gratification is derived from the violent fulfillment of the wishes of their masters. Through this mechanism, the Inchoroi--the Old Fathers--hold yet another level of control and loyalty over their servants. More directly, a morbid form of puppet-like domination is shown at the end of TWP, where the raped captives were reanimated and shambled about in a mockery of their former selves according to the will of their rapists, both Sranc and demonic Inchoroi. Then there's the more subtle example from TDTCB where a powerful sexual influence is wielded over Esmi to draw information about Achamian and the Mandate out of her. Sexuality is certainly a tool for the Consult, and a powerful one at that, but not a tool of the biological imperative. I'm likely filling in gaps with nonsense though, so I might be better off switching gears and coming up with crackpot theories about the significance of gender for the Dunyain instead ;) view post


posted 19 Jul 2004, 07:07 in Member Written WorksWeek Two Scene Nominations [CLOSED] by legatus, Auditor

I wanted to write a submission last week, but couldn't find the time, so if I plan on getting around to it this week, I might as well have a say in the scene. Here's a vote for the break-in scenario, nudging it into a narrow lead. view post


posted 21 Jul 2004, 03:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by legatus, Auditor

[quote="drosdelnoch":h47r7yno]also been listening to The Wall by Pink Floyd[/quote:h47r7yno] "All in all you're just another brick in the wall." I listened to the first disc of that album today, with some early Pink Floyd singles mixed in for good measure. Great stuff. view post


posted 21 Jul 2004, 22:07 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by legatus, Auditor

[quote="Iceman":1zvqwem1]I consider it more likely that the Consult considered the Cisharium and Moënghus as an obstacle. First trying to control them, and when that failed it gradually turned into outright war. At the moment I can’t see why Moënghus would initiate a war against the Consult.[/quote:1zvqwem1] My view on the war between the Consult and the Cishaurim is similar. The speed with which they made an overt move against Kellhus once they realised he could see their skin spies and thus mitigate their manipulation over the Holy War speaks to the severity of their concern over the threat he poses to their plans. It stands to reason that they'd attribute an equal level of threat to Moengus, and the Consult has had decades to observe him and gauge the danger of his abilities, whereas they acted against Kellhus in mere months. Granted, I assume they'd draw parallels between father and son, and thus move more quickly against Kellhus, but even so, it seems very likely that they'd have also tried to dislodge Moengus from his sphere of influence within the Cishaurim, leading to an all out conflict when that failed. I do get the impression that the Consult's investigation regarding the identity of the Dunyain is an immediate response to their observation of Kellhus and his Dunyani, however, so I get the feeling that even in the decades of watching and warring with Moengus, he's managed to keep them in the dark about a great many things, including his connection to the Dunyain. I imagine they've made inferences about the link now that Kellhus has made his appearance, with Cnaiur and his insights into their sect in tow, and shed more light on where these mysterious men that can see through their disguises came from though. view post


posted 23 Jul 2004, 01:07 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by legatus, Auditor

I believe in the value of doubt. Most of my religious beliefs end up coming back to the same basic sense of uncertainty, since in the absence of compelling evidence, I have trouble putting a great deal of faith in any one religion over another; and I have an equally hard time dismissing them out of hand. I do like to entertain certain amorphous beliefs about the manner in which spirituality and science can coexist without conflict, but it's more an ever evolving way for me to look at the world as more than the sum of its parts than a religious creed of any sort. Edit: And to answer the topic question, I believe in the possibility of God, but not necessarily that he does in fact exist. I like to believe that the hand of creation put the big bang into motion, for example, but whether that creative force was the hand of God or the cataclysmic result of quantum fluctuations, I can't say for certain. I do enjoy the fact that it's currently a mystery though. view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 02:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

sex view post


posted 26 Jul 2004, 22:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

burden view post


posted 28 Jul 2004, 04:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionGay marriage: for or against its legalization in the US? by legatus, Auditor

I see marriage as an affirmation of love and commitment between two people. A gay couple is no less capable of being in love and commited to one another than a straight couple, so it seems silly to disallow them the right to make an affirmation of those things by way of marriage. view post


posted 28 Jul 2004, 05:07 in Off-Topic DiscussionGay marriage: for or against its legalization in the US? by legatus, Auditor

[quote="Aldarion":1jb8rclm]Before I can be persuaded fully to be in favor of this, I want to see a complete overhaul of the custody system. Because if we have a situation in which there isn't an expected husband/wife duo, we better have a legal provision for how to divy up custody in case of divorce. Otherwise, all hell might break loose.[/quote:1jb8rclm] I doubt all hell would break loose, as I imagine custody hearings could still be handled on a case by case basis, but I do agree that it would be wise to examine changes to as many related laws as possible when tackling the marriage issue. There have been a few stumbling blocks in the wake of legalised gay marriage up here, for example, since related divorce laws weren't revised to coincide with the legalisation of gay marriage. The situation with a gay couple being allowed to get married but having trouble breaking things off if the marriage doesn't work out because divorce laws still speak in strict terms of a man and a woman could've been avoided had legalisation been more thoroughly handled in the first place. I do worry that trying to be too inclusive when it comes to overhauling related laws may draw out the process to an unreasonable degree though. view post


posted 28 Jul 2004, 05:07 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by legatus, Auditor

Harry Potter's a guilty pleasure for me too. They're certainly not the type of book that really makes you think, but they are a lot of fun to read nonetheless. Hopefully Harry gets past his whiny, self-important teenerager phase by the next book though ;) Also, the movie adaptations give me an excuse to take my nieces to the theatre now and then. I'm not seeing the movies for myself, of course. It's all for the kids. No really! :P view post


posted 31 Jul 2004, 00:07 in Author Q & ADo You Play Any MMRPG's? by legatus, Auditor

Sweet Sejenus, I certainly hope not! Considering the special addictive quality most MMORPGs tend to share, I can just picture Scott spending many an hour glued to his monitor grinding away on level treadmill after level treadmill, all the while neglecting to get around to ever finishing The Thousandfold Thought. It's another sad tale of MMORPG addiction waiting to happen, I tell you! Of course, the total lack of any semblance of willpower when it comes to online games may be an affliction only I suffer, but I somehow doubt it ;) view post


posted 03 Aug 2004, 08:08 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeRelease Dates by legatus, Auditor

[url=http://www.princeofnothing.com/Darkness_That_otpb.jpg:1963ni3o]This[/url:1963ni3o] is the Canadian cover, which I'm rather fond of. The only alternate cover I know of is [url=http://www.princeofnothing.com/Darkness%20(1).jpg:1963ni3o]this one[/url:1963ni3o], which very well might be the UK cover, but I'm not entirely sure. In any case, the second cover seems more in line with what I'd expect from a generic fantasy cover, but I definitely find the first one to be the more slick and stylish version. view post


posted 04 Aug 2004, 22:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionOnline RPG? by legatus, Auditor

Do you mean something like a simple IRC chat in role, an adaptation of the D20 system or something similar for the Three Seas setting and played online, or something else entirely? It's been so long since I've played an RPG that wasn't a PC game, I seriously doubt my imagination is up to the task of a more open ended roleplaying game. My mind's been too severely rotted by videogames. view post


posted 04 Aug 2004, 22:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

BANZAI! view post


posted 04 Aug 2004, 23:08 in The Darkness That Comes Beforeodd by legatus, Auditor

I've always thought it was more likely for a midwestern American (Fargo is at the fore in this line of thought ;)) to say 'aboot' than a Canadian. With the accent variations between Ontario, the maritime provinces, and the prairies though, of which I've heard very little from the latter two, I suppose some Canadians might actually pronounce it that way as well. Here in Ontario, however, I've never heard it either. view post


posted 09 Aug 2004, 20:08 in The Darkness That Comes Beforeodd by legatus, Auditor

Good money says there actually is a "Canadian English For Dummies" book kicking around somewhere. There's one of those damn books for every other topic under the sun, so I can't see this being an exception :P view post


posted 10 Aug 2004, 04:08 in Author Q & AThe appearance of the Sranc? by legatus, Auditor

[quote="Cu'jara Cinmoi":2ugau83d]The Nonmen (and Bashrag), for instance, find themselves described in the beginning of TTT.[/quote:2ugau83d] I've been visualising Nonmen simply as men throughout the first two books, contrary to the fact that their very name implies that they're likely to look otherwise, so I'll definitely be looking forward to reading their description. As for the Sranc, I've been grappling with how to approach modeling them for a while now, and the slow pace of filling in such background details like their appearance is making it an [i:2ugau83d]interesting[/i:2ugau83d] process to say the least. I think I'm just going to throw myself into my favorite design candidate so far and deal with the inevitable design flaws when more detailed descriptions show up in later books (at which point I'll likely start joining those cursing you :P). My current visualisation of them consists of somewhat amphibious, streamlined facial features, with large eyes and deceptively weak jaws, which will hopefully create an aura of innocence, youth and a serene, alien sort of beauty... until they open their mouths impossibly wide, bearing row after row of serrated fangs, and their faces contort into masks of anger, hate and threat. The dog-chested description makes me think they may end up being more mammalian in nature, but I can't shake the reptile / amphibian image of them I have in my mind. I suspect it might be because I secretly want to nickname my Sranc model "fishface," but I'm not entirely sure. I should probably just go back to modeling my rendition of a Synthese though, since I'm fairly confident my vision on that count won't be off the mark by too large a margin, leading to the need for many a revision ;) view post


posted 11 Aug 2004, 04:08 in RPG DiscussionFormat? by legatus, Auditor

Honestly, I can imagine a lot more limitations with a rudimentary game / graphics engine than a fully fleshed out adaptation of a pen and paper ruleset like the d20 or storyteller system for text based online play. A text based RPG is really only limited by the imagination of its Dungeon Master / Story Teller and its players, whereas a graphics engine brings with it a built in set of limitations regarding what the player can actually do. That's why such a huge number of skills from D&D become useless and not worth implementing in their videogame counterparts, since it's just too hard to make them effective in the game engine, so you end up with a much simpler, more straight forward experience that tends to focus more on combat than actual roleplaying. That said, I'd rather have a simpler, more limited RPG experience with a decent graphics engine and the best Earwa related art we can muster than have to leave it all to the imagination. It may have its drawbacks and would undoubtedly be a lot harder to actually crank something playable out, but I think the accomplishment of it would end up feeling a lot more rewarding. This route begs the question, however, which game / graphics engine would be most appropriate for use with Earwa? I can't think of that many RPGs featuring online play that allow for a high level of moddability off the top of my head, but Neverwinter Nights comes to mind (although NWN2 might be a better candidate when it's released). Most of the other engine's I've worked with that cater to mod makers are either action oriented or only offer a single player experience. Anyone else have any other game engine's in mind for a graphical recreation of Earwa? In any case, I'd be open to working on either style of RPG, text based or complete with a graphics engine. I can't help but worry that recreating Earwa in a game engine with fully realised graphics might be a little too ambitious though, but I'd certainly like to try it just the same, so I cast my vote for that option as well. If nothing else, it should result in some good Earwa related artwork and character class ideas. view post


posted 11 Aug 2004, 04:08 in Author Q & AThe appearance of the Sranc? by legatus, Auditor

Highly amateurish CG ;) Most of the models I've made have been low poly orcs or character heads for use in games I've been playing, but I've been thinking about going for a much higher poly count with my PoN character attempts and let the models themselves show the fine detail rather than the textures. A complete, photorealistic scene would be ideal, but I'd be happy with a nicely detailed character model, since it's a little more in line with my skill level. Either way, I also tend to move at an amateurish pace, so it'll be a good long while before I have anything worth hosting anyway. view post


posted 11 Aug 2004, 04:08 in RPG DiscussionFormat? by legatus, Auditor

I really like Earwa Online. The name was mentioned somewhere else on the board and it really has a certain ring to it. Also, seeing as each individual region of the world is fairly vast, it would probably be a good idea to create it in stages. The first installment could be called "Earwa Online: The Three Seas" and focus on life in that region, since it's the one we're currently most familiar with. A second installment might then be named something like "Earwa Online: The Ancient North," and so on and so forth. view post


posted 14 Aug 2004, 01:08 in The Warrior ProphetThe No-God by legatus, Auditor

I'm partial to the Scylvendi name myself, since it kind of reminds me of the dead god Lorkhan from the Elder Scrolls game series. It makes me wonder whether Scott and the writers at Bethesda drew on a common real world mythological figure for their respective dead gods. view post


posted 14 Aug 2004, 22:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Tea view post


posted 17 Aug 2004, 17:08 in Author Q & AThe appearance of the Sranc? by legatus, Auditor

[quote="Adres":3137khv5]When I first read of the Sranc, in the TDTCB prologue, I imagined them as dark red demons with long and twisted horns... very similar to the evil lord of "Legend" the '80 fantasy movie with Tom Cruise (anyone remembers it? :D ).?[/quote:3137khv5] Remember it!? My avatar is none other than a model I started (and never finished) of the Lord of Darkness himself. Tim Curry was great in that role, and Darkness has been the bar against which I measure all other demons ever since :D [quote="Adres":3137khv5]But what does it means that they have a dog chest? They have fur on their chest? They have not a human one but a quadruped breastbone?[/quote:3137khv5] I'm not entirely certain, but I'm leaning towards the belief that Scott was describing the general shape of the Sranc torso with his dog chested description. Whereas a human chest tends to be wider than it is deep, a Srance chest would be markedly deeper than it is wide, so looking at one head on, you'd only get a slight V taper up from their waist to their shoulders, but from the side, you'd notice a thin waist tapering out into a very deep chest really quickly, like that of a dog. If that is indeed the case, I think the Sranc physiology might suggest that their arms are a fair bit longer than their legs, so that while they're bipedal for the most part and can walk around on their legs alone without any problem, leaving their hands free to wield tools and weapons, they're very likely to hunch over onto all fours while running. This would not only add to their animalistic persona, it would lengthen their stride and allow them to chase down prey faster than if they were running fully erect. I imagine the advantage of them being dog chested when it comes to this sort of locomotion is that the deeper chest would allow for more advanced, powerful chest musculature, which would in turn give them the ability to pull their arms down in a raking motion with more strength and speed than the average human. This would make them deadly in combat using a downward clawing, slashing or bashing attack, as well as add power to their running stride while on all fours. Of course, I could be entirely off the mark, but that's the impression I got from Scott's dog chested description at least. view post


posted 17 Aug 2004, 17:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

girl view post


posted 17 Aug 2004, 23:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

leather view post


posted 19 Aug 2004, 03:08 in RPG DiscussionFormat? by legatus, Auditor

Personally, I don't mind the idea of our in game visual interpretations being somewhat off, if not outright wrong, in their first iterations. The scarcity of thorough descriptive passages when it comes to certain aspects of the books to give us a solid idea of how Scott himself visualizes his world offers us a certain level of creative freedom at the outset, and I think the process of trying to come up with what this race or that location might look like will be half the fun of recreating Earwa. If we have to scrap a few finished models and a certain percentage of artwork, it will certainly make the process more time consuming, but even so, I don't think it'll be wasted time. I doubt Scott would be overly forthcoming in coughing up specific details if he wants to keep certain things under wraps until he's ready to tackle those subjects in one of his future books, but we may be able to glean bits and pieces of new information from the criticisms and comments he might offer on how our visual interpretations are coming along--bits and pieces of information that he might not offer while directly answering a query about a given topic. Then, future design revisions will be that much more refined and well fleshed out. Regardless, I think we have a lot to decide on before we'll be at a stage where we're ready to start creating actual game assets, like models and artwork. Things like game rules, character classes, game mechanics, target engine and like are decisions that need to come first, and none of them really require that there be accompanying artwork right off the bat, so we can approach the early conceptual design of a graphical RPG in much the same way as we would a text based one. So depending on the pace we manage to get through that conceptual ground work, we may end up having another book of source material to draw from when the time comes to start churning out artwork. But if we don't have anything more to base our designs on, I can't imagine a little creative license being a bad thing, even if it means having to go back to the drawing board now and again later on. Hell, maybe we'll end up finding the reality of creating a fully realized graphical RPG too daunting after hammering out some early concepts and design ideas, then have little choice but to scale things back to a simpler text based system. And in my view, that would be fine if it meant actually ending up with a complete, playable system in lieu of an unfinished graphical version, but either way, I think we should start out along the more ambitious path and see where it leads us. view post


posted 19 Aug 2004, 04:08 in RPG DiscussionHorses! by legatus, Auditor

Agreed. In DnD videogames, like Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights, I always feel my paladins are missing something without access to their mounts. They tend to lose much of the knightly vibe I tend to picture them as having without a trusty steed by their side, and horses play an equally strong role in Scott's characterisations. How's a Scylvendi supposed to survive a long campaign on the barren Steppe if he can't drink the blood of his horse after all? ;) In fact, I can't think of practically any RPGs that feature mounts. Daggerfall comes to mind--and the lack of horses in the sequal, Morrowind, was a sore spot with many fans, myself included--but other than that, I'm drawing a blank. view post


posted 19 Aug 2004, 04:08 in RPG DiscussionCharacter Classes by legatus, Auditor

It certainly makes sense to limit class selection for some races, like the Scylvendi. They are the People of War after all, not the People of Trade :P Their very cultural identity demands that they make an alter of battle, so it should be a rare Scylvendi indeed that isn't highly battle oriented, since that's what being of the People is all about. That said, I wouldn't want to see the Scylvendi being fighters to the exclusion of everything else. Their preferred class should be fairly versatile, seeing as the average Scylvendi is not only a great warrior, but a skilled woodsman and survivalist, as well as a keeper of herds. If I was going to shoehorn them into a DnD class, I think they'd best fit the Ranger archetype, allowing them to be both fierce warriors and skilled outdoorsmen. I imagine there would be many among them that focused primarily on combat and war mind you, so the Scylvendi should also have some variation on the pure fighter class open to them, but that shouldn't be their only choice. One way or another though, anyone whose livelihood depends on the practice of jnan, like a merchant, a priest or virtually any city dweller, can't really be considered to be of the People, so they shouldn't be Scylvendi. That kind of trivial nonsense should be left to the dainty, effete Nansur :twisted: view post


posted 19 Aug 2004, 04:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

POW! view post


posted 19 Aug 2004, 07:08 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeMandate spies? by legatus, Auditor

The notion that Seswatha's dreams of the First Apocalypse have a way of driving Mandate Schoolmen mad is stressed a number of times throughout the books though, and madness and rational decision making don't tend to make good bedfellows. A schoolman whose ability to perceive a distinction between dreams and reality, between past and present is tenuous at best would be a great deal more suseptible to falling headlong into a pit of hopelessness and despair, for example. Seswatha's dreams might soon become indestinguishable from his own present reality, and the nightly resurrection of the No-God might in turn feel less a memory of warning than the suffocating yoke of inevitability. No matter how many times the mad schoolman relives the bittersweet triumph of striking down Mog-Pharau, he knows the abomination's womb shattering return will surely come to pass before the next dawn. There can be no true victory for our broken, pitiable sorcerer, no escape. And in his madness, what might the schoolman's solution to his untenable mandate of opposing the Consult and their No-God be? The world will surely fall to ruin no matter what he does, no matter how many times he seems to triumph, so why bother trying to save it at all? Perhaps he can save himself though. Throw his lot in with the enemy and perhaps he won't suffer the mind rending agonies of his other life again, endured in payment for opposition. Humanity's day might end, true, but surely it was destined to end anyway. You can't cheat fate after all. You can't cheat God's plan; not even a No-God's plan. Why should he suffer with rest of his race in their final days when he's already suffered so much? Perhaps he doesn't have to. Perhaps his suffering might come to an end. Perhaps the Consult can make it all end. Perhaps... view post


posted 19 Aug 2004, 16:08 in RPG DiscussionHorses! by legatus, Auditor

I completely forgot about MMORPGs, but now that I think about it, mounts do seem more prominent in them. I remember watching a video of WoW that showcased their flying mounts (I can only remember a gryphon off the top of my head, but I know there were more), and it looked like Blizzard was doing a decent job with them, but my interest in the game waned a little when I wasn't accepted into the beta test. In WoW, they seemed primarily like means of transport as well though, albeit very neat ones. Ideally, I'd want there to be a much wider range of uses for mounts, like different combat machanics, advantages, drawbacks and the like. view post


posted 19 Aug 2004, 16:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Hood view post


posted 20 Aug 2004, 19:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionBook Club Talk by legatus, Auditor

[quote="Aldarion":1n3fpy3u]...c'est ne pas? :D[/quote:1n3fpy3u] In this context, shouldn't that be [i:1n3fpy3u]n'est-ce pas[/i:1n3fpy3u]? What? Inane French grammar quibbling isn't the thrust of this thread? Silly me :P In any case, I certainly like the idea of a book club. For the most part, I hope the book choices end up leaning towards the fantasy end of the spectrum, but I'd be interested in reading and discussing a wider range of genres as well. view post


posted 20 Aug 2004, 19:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Highlands view post


posted 20 Aug 2004, 19:08 in RPG DiscussionHorses! by legatus, Auditor

[quote="saintjon":1jhl8rt6]You can also apply the extra momentum of moving with over 1000 extra pounds beneath you to a damage bonus IMO, so long as you're moving.[/quote:1jhl8rt6] Indeed. A concerted mounted charge with the combined momentum of many tons of horseflesh behind it should leave a trail of bludgeoned, trampled dead in its wake, much like a stampede. At least until they run up against a line of pikemen and the cavalry's own momentum ends up working against them ;) view post


posted 20 Aug 2004, 20:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionBook Club Talk by legatus, Auditor

[quote="Grantaire":1y4f1egr]-do you want it to stick only with fantasy? Or do you want a broad range of genres?[/quote:1y4f1egr] As I mentioned above, I think fantasy should be the thrust, with heavy doses of sci-fi and other genres falling under the speculative fiction umbrella, but a little variety now and again is always a good thing, so other genres should be fair game as well. [quote="Grantaire":1y4f1egr]-how often? Monthly, bi-monthly?[/quote:1y4f1egr] That depends on what you mean by bi-monthly. If you meant twice a month, I think that's considerably too frequent, whereas if you meant every other month, I'd be a lot more comfortable with that. Ideally, I'd like it to be monthly, since it seems a good compromise between not enough time for everyone to read the book and so much time that many might be prone to forgetting details. But seeing as I have precious little experience when it comes to book clubs, I'm prone to deferring to Aldarion's judgement on the impracticality of keeping everyone on that kind of schedule, so maybe every second month would be best. [quote="Grantaire":1y4f1egr]-Do you want the admins to choose, or do you want to nominate then vote, or what?[/quote:1y4f1egr] A nomination / voting system would definitely be preferable. In the case of a deadlock or a lack of nominations, however, the choice should then come down to the admins' discretion. view post


posted 20 Aug 2004, 20:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Denial ([Clintonesque Delivery]I did [i:1w2zkd9p]not[/i:1w2zkd9p] have sexual relations with that sheep.[/Clintonesque Delivery] :P) view post


posted 20 Aug 2004, 22:08 in Philosophy DiscussionMy odd perspective on myself and the universe by legatus, Auditor

With the number of factors that are likely required to allow for the emergence of life, I'm of the opinion that the percentage of planets capable of supporting life is abysmally small; but even an abysmally small percent of the enormous number of planets that exist in the universe is likely to be fairly vast. Chances are good that there's life out there, in my opinion. The chances of the conditions on those select planets being consistently favourable for the continued evolution of highly complex, intelligent life, on the other hand, is likely greatly diminished. I imagine if we ever manage to embark on deep space exploration missions, we'll have to remain satisfied with the discovery of planets with only the most basic, rudimentary life for a long time before finding anything nearing the complexity of life on Earth. And less likely still than those lush, highly evolved worlds will be species that managed to advance to the point of space exploration without wiping themselves out in the process. Not unlikely, certainly, but the chances are likely remote enough that I'm not particularly confident that there'll be one nearby enough for us to encounter them even if we continue advancing at our current pace. In this part of the galaxy at least, I figure the most advanced life we'll find on any giving planet will be the life we put there ourselves. At the very least, however, the way in which that seeded intelligent life evolves compared to those of us left behind on Earth should prove interesting. And maybe the distant relatives of one of those Earth born species will survive long enough to encounter the first independently evolved, space faring species of intelligent life. I wonder if I ever had a point in mind with all this... if so, I suppose it would be this: life is out there almost certainly, although its direct relevance and importance with regards to us will likely be mitigated by its relative scarcity within the vastness of space. The mere notion of the likelihood its existence portends a certain abstract, intellectual significance mind you, but I suspect we'll continue to be the same self-important, egocentric species we've always been regardless ;) view post


posted 21 Aug 2004, 02:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Illuminati view post


posted 21 Aug 2004, 05:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by legatus, Auditor

I'm three tracks into the new Flogging Molly album, Within A Mile Of Home, and it's pretty damn good so far. Folky Irish rock makes for great drinking music, and this new disc is no exception. I still have to wait a few more weeks before I can pick up a hard copy, but being the impatient bastard that I am, I'm tiding myself over with pre-release mp3s in the meantime. I might just wait and pick up the album when they roll through Toronto though, since CDs tend to be cheaper at live shows. Their October show better not get cancelled like the August one... *grumble* view post


posted 21 Aug 2004, 05:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 23 Aug 2004, 18:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 24 Aug 2004, 21:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Pictographs view post


posted 26 Aug 2004, 19:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 28 Aug 2004, 03:08 in Book ClubOfficial Book Club discussion nominations by legatus, Auditor

I wanted to suggest something by Gene Wolfe, since I've heard nothing but good things about him lately from a few different message boards, but not having read anything by him yet, I'm not in a position to know which of his novels might be best to suggest. Maybe someone more familiar with his work can throw a Gene Wolfe nomination into the fray at some point down the road, however. For the moment though, I'll second A Game Of Thrones. It would make for an excellent way to kick off the book club, I think. view post


posted 28 Aug 2004, 04:08 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by legatus, Auditor

[quote="Aspect-Emperor Conphas":2ea1k8mh]The Consult, however, will NOT be defeated in the Thousandfold Thought.[/quote:2ea1k8mh] Agreed. The Prince Of Nothing trilogy will bring the Holy War to its conclusion almost certainly, and deliver Kellhus to Shimeh and his father. I seriously doubt, however, that the Consult will have even re-entered the general consciousness of the average Three Seas denizen as a palpable threat, let alone face any semblance of defeat. They'll likely end up being revealed to the key players of the series by the end of the third book mind you, as they've already been to Kellhus, Achamian and company, vindicating the Mandate's mission in the minds of those occupying the seats of power around the Three Seas. I don't see any concerted offensive against them taking place until at least the second trilogy, however, but more likely still, not until the third. The story arc for this first trilogy is the Holy War, while the everpresent threat from and conflict with the Consult will likely form the overall arc tying the three trilogies in Earwa together. Given the scope of Scott's epic, I doubt we'll see a conclusion to the story even after 5 years though, since he's planning on taking a break from Earwa after The Thousandfold Thought. I'd give it 10 years to be on the safe side ;) view post


posted 28 Aug 2004, 18:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Vaporize view post


posted 28 Aug 2004, 20:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 30 Aug 2004, 16:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Cement shoes view post


posted 31 Aug 2004, 04:08 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 01 Sep 2004, 01:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionMindless Amusement: Type your Username with your elbows by legatus, Auditor

Here's mine: legatus Allow me to submit for your consideration that you have really big, inaccurate elbows. Twilight Zonesque big :P view post


posted 01 Sep 2004, 09:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 01 Sep 2004, 21:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 01 Sep 2004, 21:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 03 Sep 2004, 00:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Rome view post


posted 03 Sep 2004, 02:09 in Author Q & AWritten Language by legatus, Auditor

Scott's mentioned that he hammered out a working script, which he calls keneic, and which serves as the written script for the spoken Sheyic. The script seen on the covers for both TDTCB and TWP is keneic, for example, and it is indeed an alphabet, although it doesn't correspond directly to ours. Another poster likened it to Mongolian as a result of similar character shapes and the top down flow of the script, and Scott confirmed the Mongolian inspiration for the written language. He also mentioned that the artist who designed both covers drew inspiration from Persian manuscripts, which would tend to validate the Arabic vibe you've been picturing keneic as having to a certain degree. [url=http://forum.three-seas.com/viewtopic.php?t=16:1ilmd8c2]This thread[/url:1ilmd8c2] has a lot of good info from Scott on the topic of language, with a heavy emphasis on the written end of the spectrum. Personally, I can't wait to see the full alphabet laid out and find out which sound corresponds to which letter, so maybe with enough poking and prodding Scott'll spill a little more info on the script than he already has and we won't have to wait until after TTT... *pokes, prods* ;) view post


posted 03 Sep 2004, 03:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 04 Sep 2004, 02:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Anatomy (the only Loomis I know is ye olde illustrator Andrew Loomis whose human figure sketches I use for reference when drawing / modeling) view post


posted 04 Sep 2004, 18:09 in Philosophy DiscussionBattleground God by legatus, Auditor

Neat. I hadn't seen this test before, so I took the Do-It-Yourself Deity test as well. The type of God I'm most comfortable with is a simple creator God which garnered a Plausibility Quotient of 1.0, so my notion of God is certainly rationally consistent, but they questioned whether my conception of God can really be considered a God at all. On the next test, Battleground God, I ended up taking no direct hits and biting a single bullet. Honestly though, it's a bullet I have no qualms with, and would bite again were I to retake the test. I'm going to go over the questions involved with that bullet below, so anyone that hasn't taken the test yet might want to do so now before reading further. Anyway, they questioned my assertion that atheism is a matter of faith when there's a lack of evidence to support the notion that God doesn't exist, but conceded that I was at least logically consistent, since I also rejected the assertion that it's justifiable to say that the Lock Ness monster doesn't exist simply due to a lack of evidence that it does. In my view, a lack of evidence is a reason for doubt certainly, but not a reason for outright disbelief. A lack of evidence for or against something simply makes it an unknown. Evidence to the contrary is required before I'll ever completely reject an idea, even if that means I have to consider the possibility that many outlandish thing may in fact be true. Absence of evidence does [i:3vg7qkca]not[/i:3vg7qkca] equal evidence of absence. At least I don't believe it does. view post


posted 05 Sep 2004, 04:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Omen view post


posted 06 Sep 2004, 18:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

exaggeration view post


posted 06 Sep 2004, 22:09 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools by legatus, Auditor

Since it seems the season for Scott's official answers about the schools isn't upon us just yet, I do believe it's time to open the floodgates on rampant speculation ;) My impression is that among the anagogic schools, their relative power is highly associated with their numbers, and the Scarlet Spires being the most powerful, it can be assumed that they're the most numerous. In the course of Eleäzaras' contemplation of his school's involvement in the Holy War, I seem to remember there being mention of their ranks numbering somewhere in the range of the low 100s. I'll need to find the passage again, if it even exists and I'm not completely delusional, but for the time being, I'm going to place their number at 125 fully trained Scarlet Schoolmen. Also, some of Eleäzaras' internal dialogue painted him as being torn between wanting to strike a crippling blow and win a decisive victory over the hated Cishaurim, but not at a cost to his school's numbers to the point where they'd be relegated to the status of a minor school. He seemed vehemently concerned about this happening after losing what seemed to be less than 10 of his fellow schoolmen, but if the estimate of their numbers being in the low 100s is correct, even 10 schoolmen is a truly decimating loss--nearly a full 10 percent of their ranks, which would be a crippling loss to any standing army, hence the devastation the term decimate tends to evoke. So if we assume that as few as 5 or 6 battles on the way to Shimeh and victory over the Cishaurim is enough to relegate the Scarlet Spires to a minor school, where the Scarlet Spires loses about 10 schoolmen per battle, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the next most powerful school, the Imperial Saik and the Mysunsai, would have to number somewhere between the mid to upper double digits--60, maybe 70 fully trained schoolmen--if they were to be a threat to a diminished Scarlet Spires as first major school post Holy War. That said, the Scarlet Spires has a few unique advantages to help buoy their position of power among the schools of the Three Seas in spite of potentially reduced numbers, like their forays into the demon summoning branch of anagogic sorcery (or was it only Iyokus who was learned in this? I can't remember for certain) and their political stranglehold over High Ainon. As such, the Imperial Saik's and the Mysunsai's numbers may be even closer still to that of the Scarlet Spires, more towards the upper than middle double digits. The Mandate stands apart from these power struggles for the most part, but even so, I tend to get the impression that their overall power is more or less on par with that of the Scarlet Spires, if not a little higher, which is why, as Achamian mentioned at one point, the other nations of the Three Seas appreciate them as a counterbalance and deterrent to the Scarlet Schoolmen's ambition, in spite of the Mandate being scoffed at otherwise for their continued belief in the Consult. Given the fact that the Gnosis allowed Achamian to be the match of 4 or 5 Scarlet Schoolmen wielding their anagogic sorcery, it's safe to assume that the Gnosis is many times the power, complexity and subtlety of the Anagosis, so even with as few as 25 schoolmen, I believe the Mandate could be the Scarlet Spires' match. As such, that seems like a fair estimate of their numbers, since they most certainly are their match. In any case, I think power among the schools is a combination of numbers and learning. Numbers play a greater role among the anagogic schoolmen, while higher gnostic learning allows the Mandate to remain a powerful school in spite of fewer numbers. Either way, with the severely limited number of sorcerers around the Three Seas, each and every single schoolman is a powerful commodity unto himself, so it doesn't take many to shift the balance of power from school to school. view post


posted 06 Sep 2004, 23:09 in Book ClubAlright, our first book club discussion is going to be by legatus, Auditor

Saturday works best for me, since my Sundays are usually busy until early evening, while the opposite is often true of Fridays, with my only free time being earlier in the day. I should be able to make enough time on any of the days to contribute a little one way or another though, so I'm not too picky about when we discuss the book. But even so, Saturday would still suit me best. view post


posted 06 Sep 2004, 23:09 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools by legatus, Auditor

So on topic discussion in response to author questions are a no go on the other board then? Even when Scott is playing coy and some of the answers to the original questions can potentially be gleaned from the books themselves? Fair enough, I guess. It'll keep the Author Q&A board more streamlined for Scott to read and make it easier to sift through it for comments from him at the very least. Maybe a little less interesting though :P view post


posted 07 Sep 2004, 01:09 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools by legatus, Auditor

In any case, Grantaire's original question also touched on the specific abilities of schoolmen, and I almost find that a more interesting topic than the factors contributing to the overall power of each individual school (numbers vs learning). And since I don't have to worry about flooding his topic with an overdose of my train of thought ramblings here, I've been trying to pin down what sorcerous powers may exist in the Three Seas besides the obvious wielding and manipulation of the elements (fire, earth, wind, water, etc), and I've only been able to think of a few that are supported by passages in either TDTCB or TWP. There are certainly a range of abilities centered on the human mind, specifically concerning its domination. Achamian was faced with the dilemma of using the Cants of Compulsion (or whatever they were called) on Inrau, so a skilled schoolman can obviously exert his will on a weaker subject. I imagine this type of mental manipulation can extend to loosening a stubborn prisoner's tongue when needed information is being withheld, as well as subtle coercion. Outright telepathy might even be an ability within the domain of a powerful sorcerer allowing him to directly probe a person's mind and rip out the information he needs. The Cants of Calling touch on another domain of sorcerous power. Granted, it might be another type of mental sorcery, where a schoolman reaches out to a receptive mind so that they might converse as though they were sitting across from one another, but I think it's a little different; more in line with the way Skauras was ethereally projected upon the face of Mallahet in the Emperor's audience room. If this is the case, I'd say the Cants of Calling are more a form of astral projection than a mental discipline. Another example of a sorcerer projecting his very essence into another location or being can be seen with the Synthese. I doubt this form of sorcery originated with the Inchoroi mind you, but it seems evident that they've adopted it as a means of projecting / binding / imbuing their essences into a variety of empty physical shells, like the Synthese. Inrau felt the taint of this sorcery on the Synthese before he was killed, and I believe the Synthese itself commented on having been bound into its current form. Other uses of such astral projection / essence displacement might focus on covert information gathering (an untethered, ghostly projection of the sorcerer free to pass through physical obstacles at will and difficult to see except by sorcerous wards, for example) or even as a means to achieve immortality. For the Inchoroi, whose mastery of the Tekne might allow them to grow clones and radically alter the genetic makeup of their creations via fleshcraft experiments to render them blank slates, there would be no shortage of empty shells for them to possess and discard throughout the ages. Human or Nonman sorcerers might be required to be more morally bankrupt to achieve immortality, however, since they wouldn't have access to such empty shells. Assuming it's even possible, they would likely have to displace the essence of the current inhabitant of a body before possessing it, so their immortality would come at the cost of countless lives. Anyway, that's about all I can really infer about sorcery from the books. Can anyone else think of any other hints that Scott gives us in either TDTCB or TWP about the nature of sorcery and the powers it bestows upon its users? view post


posted 07 Sep 2004, 07:09 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools by legatus, Auditor

Not to worry, no offense taken. I was just a little surprised at first when I noticed my post had done a disappearing / reappearing act, since acts of moderation, much like acts of god, are both strange and mysterious :P Seriously though, I do agree that the post is probably better off here, now that I've thought about it. There's actually been a few other posts in Q&A that I've had to bite my tongue about so as to avoid derailing them into tangential territory. My answer to the question about how chorae were ever made in the first place if they counter and neutralize all forms of sorcery including the sorcery that was used to make them, for example. I started to develop an extended analogy between sorcery and mathematics in my head to explain the mechanism of their creation (and their continued ability to function), but the more thought I put into it, the more the explanation wandered off into its own tangent and seemed out of place for Q&A. I'd given up on the analogy (and the related explanation of how chorae might have been created and work), but maybe a new, seperate post of its own, like this one, is exactly what the idea needs. Now if I could only avoid writing up the idea in such a way as to be so horribly convoluted that it doesn't make the first bit of sense to anyone, I'd be set! view post


posted 07 Sep 2004, 21:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 11 Sep 2004, 18:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Paper view post


posted 11 Sep 2004, 18:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionTop 5 Sci-fi Series/ books by legatus, Auditor

I tend to favour fantasy over sci-fi, but even so, Dune is among my favourite books of any genre. I always felt it struck the perfect balance between science and mysticism, whereas the sequels strayed from that balance a little, but were still good. I really enjoyed the series up to God Emperor, in any case. The prequels, on the other hand... well, I'll just say they got lost somewhere along the way, which isn't entirely surprising I suppose with Frank no longer at the helm. view post


posted 11 Sep 2004, 21:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 12 Sep 2004, 21:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionThis is awesome! by legatus, Auditor

The problem with that song, or any spoken word type song for that matter, is that I can't seem to help visualizing William Shatner up on stage in a black turtleneck, shaking his ass for a smoke filled room of over the hill, finger snapping hipster aliens. And that's an image you don't really want creeping around anywhere, let alone slumming it up in your head. Damn you sexy Shatner! Damn you and your cold, black beatnik heart! view post


posted 14 Sep 2004, 04:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 15 Sep 2004, 00:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 17 Sep 2004, 01:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionThis is awesome! by legatus, Auditor

Every line Shatner delivers has that same stilted, spoken word vibe going for it, be in on stage, on screen or in music. It just happens to work pretty damn well in the case of this remake of Common People. view post


posted 17 Sep 2004, 01:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 17 Sep 2004, 16:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Jihad view post


posted 18 Sep 2004, 02:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow Reading... by legatus, Auditor

I'm currently reading A Game Of Thrones for reasons unknown ;) view post


posted 18 Sep 2004, 02:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

Rising Sun view post


posted 19 Sep 2004, 03:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 21 Sep 2004, 01:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 22 Sep 2004, 00:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 22 Sep 2004, 20:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionThis is awesome! by legatus, Auditor

[quote="drosdelnoch":3evc3yyh]...go for the infamous Leonard Nimoy's Ballad of Bilbo Baggins. lol[/quote:3evc3yyh] I love that video so much :D Anyway, I finally got around picking up Shatner's Has Been album to see how the rest of it faired in comparison with Common People, and as much as I like to poke fun at the guy, it's really rather good. I especially like the song Has Been where he pokes back at the people making fun of him. He has a deliciously self-deprecating sense of humour. view post


posted 23 Sep 2004, 20:09 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

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posted 25 Sep 2004, 05:09 in Author Q & AProbably the simplest question, though I haven't seen it yet by legatus, Auditor

I'd say it's the photo of Scott on the back cover of both books. Going by that, I'd say he could still pass for late twenties too, instead of late thirties. view post


posted 27 Sep 2004, 05:09 in Book ClubA Game of Thrones book club discussion open by legatus, Auditor

Bah, I ended up having to work both yesterday and today, and had precious little free time over the weekend for book discussion. Although from the looks of things, I didn't miss much in the way of discussion regardless :P In any case, I finished reading AGOT late Friday, and I really enjoyed it. So much so that I've started reading the second book in the series now, and I'm already 200 pages in. I felt the low fantasy setting was well suited to the story and lent a certain sense of authenticity to the book that might've been lacking had Martin delved more deeply into traditional high fantasy elements. The Others, the Children, dragons, giants and the like don't play a visible enough role in the story to break the illusion of them being merely creatures of story and legend rather than actual beings, and the same is true of magic. We hear about magic being used to forge weapons during the Age of Heroes, and rumours about those wielding it to the east and south of the Free Cities, but short of the encounter with the maegi woman near the end of the book, we don't actually come across any real magic, and I think this is to the book's advantage. I do get the feeling that some of the more fantastic elements will play a more prominent role in the subsequent books in the series, with the Others massing above the wall and Dany's dragons growing to maturity, and possibly even an encounter or two with the fabled Children of the Forest. I'm glad Martin chose to limit them in this introduction to the series, however, since it made for a more human story of political intrigue that didn't require the suspension of disbelief very often, making it easier to get quickly drawn into the story. Also, the focus on the human factions in the realm helped create a strong sense of deep history that could be easily believed and related to. And now that these core factions have been well established, an outside threat from above the wall would have all the more impact, and the reader could more easily share the character's sense of surprise and disbelief at the appearance of creatures and beings out of legend. Granted, I can't say for a certainty that Martin will choose to follow that story thread in book two, since there's still a lot of story to be told concerning the wars between the human factions, but I imagine he'll get there eventually. In all honesty, I didn't really take notice to a lot of pointless, gratuitous violence in the books, so I certainly wouldn't call it overdone. Martin didn't dwell on gruesome details, and if anything, I found the battle sequences fairly tame. And the sexual passages that come to mind most readily also seemed to serve one purpose or another in my view. Dany's first sexual encounter with Drogo, for example, made me wonder about what it might've been like hundreds of years ago (or even now, in some cultures) to find yourself betrothed to someone you don't even know, married, and all too soon thrown into the thick of things. Her young age only reinforced and strengthened the strangeness of arranged, politically motivated marriages (and the sexual baggage they entail) from my point of view, and served as a reminder that this was something common for these fictional cultures, helping to keep the setting in the proper perspective. One thing I do wonder about is people's reactions to the characterisation of children in the book. After reading some negative commentary about Arya's character (I think it was her character at least) on the Author Q&A board, I found myself reading her chapters fairly critically, but even so, I rather enjoyed her character. What is it about her that some people don't like? Same goes for the other young characters in the book, if in fact there are negative feeling borne against them. view post


posted 27 Sep 2004, 06:09 in Author Q & AToronto readings? by legatus, Auditor

I ended up kicking myself after the fact for being too lazy to drag my butt out to the last Toronto reading (although I could've swore it was at some bookstore rather than at U of T), since I figured already having my copy of TWP signed, I could live without making the trek out to it. Little did I remember that I still had my old copy of TDTCB kicking around that could use a little bit of author scribbling to give it that special personalised flair. So here's hoping your publicist has something planned on the horizon, so I can actually make it out this time around. I imagine Toronto will be a stop on the TTT publicity tour when it comes out in any case, but something sooner would certainly be nice. view post


posted 02 Oct 2004, 05:10 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

reallocated view post


posted 03 Oct 2004, 07:10 in Author Q & AThe Warrior Phophet? by legatus, Auditor

Heretic, for the mistake, look at Amazon's newfangled way of spelling prophet in the book's title. view post


posted 27 Oct 2004, 07:10 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow Reading... by legatus, Auditor

Finding myself more than a little fond of Martin after making my way through his A Song Of Ice And Fire series, I've started in on another of his books, Windhaven, while waiting for him to wrap up A Feast Of Crows. And after that, I have Terry Brooks' Jarka Ruus waiting to be read on my bedside table. view post


posted 29 Oct 2004, 06:10 in Off-Topic DiscussionFirst Word that Comes to Mind by legatus, Auditor

mansion view post


posted 01 Nov 2004, 02:11 in Off-Topic DiscussionNow listening to... by legatus, Auditor

Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf view post


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